>> harris: you are watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner here with my co-hosts emily compagno and kayleigh mcenany. joining us our fox news contributor and former nba player ennis kanter, emphasis on freedom. good to have you. we begin this hour with the fox news alert. a massive man hunt is under way in the state of texas for the mexican national accused of

gunning down five of his neighbors execution style we're told including a 9-year-old boy. f.b.i. officials say they have no leads in the search for the 38-year-old. and they're warning that the armed and dangerous suspect could now be anywhere and they mean anywhere. ice sources revealing to fox that he had previously been deported five times. and was once again living in the united states illegally. authorities say the suspect was hanging out in his yard in cleveland, texas, just outside of houston drinking and firing his gun when his neighbors asked him to keep down the noise because their baby was sleeping. and that's when he went after them. went to their home. five people killed in his rampage including little daniel lazzo guzman. all of those victims were immigrants from honduras. many of them died trying to

shield their children and loved ones from the gunfire. so in this last hour, i had on the texas congressman chip roy who has been trying mightily to fight the border crisis down there. texas dps is on this case right now. and he said that those five deportations of one individual, that's just boiler plate. that's just how they're going right now. they're outnumbered, the border agents. everybody down there. >> i mean, we have to respect america and american values. i mean, there's a process. i mean, i was an immigrant, you know, i got my green card, waited five years, took the test to become an american citizen. our leader needs to change something and i mean, we keep talking about the safety concerns and we got to do a background check. we don't know if they're criminals, good guys or bad guys. we got to do something and our leader needs to change something. >> harris: talk to me about the laws, emily, because, you know, you have somebody five times you

need to let them go and do what they want to do. congressman roy said, you know, they're here illegally. we don't know what they'll accomplish while they're here. >> emily: the biggest tragedy about this is the fact that it was preventable. it's preventable if this administration would enforce the existing laws. not just the immigration laws. the gun laws. deported five times? the last contact in 2016? how much of our tax dollars have to be absolutely wasted. how many more people have to die under this watch of this administration who conveniently turns a blind eye and ignores any inconvenient story like this when these lives were shattered. those people died shielding children. that heart broken father on air saying "i had one contact with him in three years. i just asked him to be quiet but my baby was sleeping." and then an execution methodical obliteration of a family? deported five times? this is absolutely unacceptable

and the fact that it's preventable and the fact that the left keeps saying we want more laws. they will take advantage of any opportunity for them if it's convenient, when they say we need more guns. more guns off the street and more laws. just enforce the existing laws, biden! that would prevent this tragedy. >> harris: you know, lisa, congressman roy was so right when he said this. it doesn't matter who was in that house. you know, there have been some reports that, perhaps, not all of them were legal. he said, it doesn't matter who it was. the bad guy, the guy at the center of all of this, should not have been in this country. and we can talk about the open borders and all the people in the different houses across america and where they are. all i'm focused on right now is children are taking the brunt of the biden administration coming across the border. we've lost 85,000 of them under the d.h.s. secretary and now another dead. >> when you asked emily, talk

about the laws, i was thinking to myself, what laws? because we're not enforcing them, right? this guy was deported five times and found himself back in the country. that's because this biden administration sent a memo out to ice saying don't do your job. don't enforce your laws, because it's a felony for this man to have been deported and come back that many times, right? we're not enforcing the laws which is the point. but what's also interesting is ice has refused to publicly admit this man was here illegally. the secretary was asked about it yesterday and refused to comment. not only is ice unable to do their job but being muzzled in admitting the truth which this individual was deported five times illegally, shouldn't have been here. we know it's not going away. it's not going to get better until we have a change with this administration. until we get another president into office, only going to continue to get worse. >> harris: i chose to come to you last on this because i knew lisa would probably stop

somewhere. fingers crossed what she's saying we need somebody new. how about if we have somebody that knows what they're doing and that's how it was in the last administration. it can be like the old new. >> kayleigh: right, didn't roll back the policies of the prior administration. now we're actually doing things to keep our borders safe. they've been rolled back. decimated. people say oh, no, congress makes the laws on this. no, biden rolled back executively many of the actions of his predecessor. to that point, you know, wilson garcia now, that father and home owner lost his wife. he lost his son. the two moms who i presume they were moms or relatives who were shielding the children. three children were covered in blood. transported to the hospital. this is horrendous and it never should have happened. to your point, emily, if the laws were enforced. background from an ice source found this out. that there was a previous arrest of this individual in montgomery county, texas, driving while intoxicated in 2012. and he was sentenced and

apparently, jail time was supposed to be attached to that. so what happened? why was this guy back out on the streets? and how many other guys like this are out there? we've seen the numbers. 2020, those are people who are ices but get away. 2021, 389,000. 2022, nearly 600,000 migrants who were seen and got away. who are they? who are they? >> harris: texas dps has told me, it's the lieutenant we've worked with on the border, that's who is leading this case right now. what he has said those numbers, as horrific as they are are probably about 50% wrong. so we can have up to two million of those gotaways or unknowns here and sometimes we only know them because the scanners and the cameras catch them at the border. we didn't get a chance to actually talk with these people. they're here. they dropped their fake i.d.'s and then they filter on it into the country. >> you had mentioned the sources

told him on background, why won't they speak publicly on the record about this? that he was here, you know, illegally? >> harris: they don't know where he is. >> i don't think president biden would like that. >> they don't want to undermine the fact and raise questions and what is obvious, fact that we have open borders and actually aren't enforcing the laws that we have on the books but we're not enforcing and begs the question, who else is here illegally? >> harris: yeah, and one thing, i'll come to you with this, emily. one of the things that's complicated about this and i just said it, he's out killing people and they don't know who else he's connected to. so i mean, i think my mind goes to those cases you work on in true crimes. there's more on the story. >> emily: absolutely. the possibilities are so endless and so unlimited with where he could be. he could be anywhere in this country and could have gone back over the border and disappear only to come back and who knows do what again. again, just to underscore this, this has happened before. there was a brutal butchering of a mother in san jose but a multiple deported, multiple

convicted violent felon, illegal immigrant. because of the sanctuary, because his protections mattered more than hers, she's dead. her family is devastated. there's a trace of alliance, when you mentioned the driving while intoxicated and superseded jail time and multiple deportations, how many of those do we have to rack up? at what point is the recidivist number, at what point does that stop eclipsing the values and needs and protection of our citizens here? i don't understand why this administration doesn't acknowledge what a travesty that is and all these democrat governments continue saying, their rights matter more. that's why we must protect them as sanctuaries to the tune of the murdered family. >> harris: this is an extremely weak positioning of policy by a man who says he wants the job again. whether he's fit. whether he's ready. whether he's the right one. those are questions from democrats now. democratic voters now. whether he's the one to do the job is the question. but this is how we got here. last quick word? >> quick point, he was deported

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>> with 2024 now on the horizon, democrats are getting increasingly worried about president biden's age. and it appears as our 80-year-old president grows older, his approval numbers only seem to be shrinking. a recent poll shows his approval down to a record low 37%. wow.

while nearly 60% of americans disapprove of the job he's doing. president biden is laughing off the very real concerns about his age and ability to serve as commander in chief. just watch what he had to say at this year's white house correspondents dinner on saturday night. >> call me old. i call it being seasoned. you say i'm ancient. i say i'm wise. you say i'm over the hill. a lot of ways, this dinner sums up my first two years in office. i'll talk for 10 minutes, take zero questions and cheerfully walk away! >> so president biden seems to have a little bit of a complex about his age, harris, it reminded me of a cnn article i saw earlier in the year, white house aides clock mentions biden's age in the media with particular attention to those who happen to leave out the age of similarly aged politicians like bernie sanders and trump.

biden hated people talking about how old he was when he was younger. he hates it even more now. i just can't imagine like keeping a talley. i never had to do at the times that trump was mentioned x, y or z with regard to a certain subject. it's crazy. >> harris: look, my grandmother passed away three weeks ahead of her 101st birthday. and i would say for at least up until like her 99th year, she didn't have this fixation with something that she couldn't stop talking about. in that last year of life, she would do that. and it's hard not to be talking about the thing that you're fixated on as much as biden is. everybody is talking about it. he's thinking about it. he's getting off planes and dropping glasses and his wife has to dress him with a jacket. finally, she's like you're on your own and the glasses fall to the ground. he's got to do this. it's a constant, constant struggle and we respect that. we're all growing in one direction. i'm not a doctor, but it doesn't take one to realize that it's a struggle to keep up with his schedule. so i'm not surprised that at

this point in his life, the weakness shows with his inability not to call out the obvious. he's hungry a lot. his favorite food is ice cream. he keeps mentioning it. that's what happens. we all will grow in this direction. it's not a negative. it's a reality. we're just not trying to run the country. >> kayleigh: his schedule is light. enes, take a look at this. you have four public event before 10:00 a.m. right, and then 12 full weekends with no public events. and if you run for congress, which i'm hearing you may, i assume your schedule may be a little different. >> first of all, i was at the white house correspondents dinner and i get to watch him in the first row. no disrespect, but this man can barely walk and barely talk, you know. and he's asking four more years from us. but i think you just mentioned, i do actually am in touch with so many of my friends in congress, and they're like what are you waiting for? we need your voice. and so they are going to have a

conversation with the speaker of the house, kevin mccarthy. >> harris: look at you, congratulations. >> we'll see what happens. i was like only place, send me somewhere warm, you know. >> come to florida. >> harris: zip code requirements? >> i had a conversation with the governor desantis and he was like you need to move here. i was like yes. you don't like it. >> kayleigh: congratulations on that potential run. lisa, look, this is the strategy and it's so unfair to the american people. the white house is basically hiding biden to be as he auditions for another term. some white house aides privately have compared biden to an aging king. he has a tightknit plan to have guards of long time aides whose first instinct is to protect him and not take chances. likely scenario will be the most rose garden centered presidential campaign in nearly half a century. so king biden, hidden away by the guards. unfair to the american people. >> unfair to the american people, but, you know, we've got a media that's willing to

protect him. and so that's probably, you know, part of the broader problem. i didn't realize that talking with the age thing bothered him so much until you read that before. so i'd love to keep talking about it. >> harris: he's fixated on it. >> thing is you look at politics, a lot of it, kayleigh, as you know is about contrast. it's sort of highlighting the age thing dependent on who republicans end up nominating depending on how you strike that. but what really bothers me is when you talked about i'll talk for 10 minutes, take zero questions and cheerfully walk away. that would be funny if he wasn't destroying the country. that wouldn't be funny if he didn't actually do that after getting 13 service members killed in afghanistan and leaving americans behind. that's exactly what he did. he went out there and didn't take any questions and turned his back on the american people. that would be funny if inflation wasn't crushing working families right now losing $7400 under joe biden, funny if he wasn't driving up gas prices intentionally. so that actually angers me when he said that. you know, we don't have to live like this, right? whoever the republican nominee

is, it's a basic argument. we don't have to live like this. planes can take off on time. you should be able to get tylenol for your children and get baby formula in stores. we don't have to live like a third world country. there is hope, right? it's a pretty easy argument for republicans to make. we don't have to live like this. >> kayleigh: easy argument concealed by the press. emily, take a listen to the press. they applaud the re-election bid. interesting, they're supposed to be neutral. >> i know, i just announced my re-election campaign. >> emily: i can tell you the majority of that room is anything but neutral, kayleigh. first of all, i have to say and enes, i know warm climate sound amazing. we need your leadership here in new york or places like this! >> i played for the knicks, by the way. >> emily: we need you back! to your point about that line, sure, whoever wrote his speech was great. those jokes were funny, sure. but as scott jennings said on cnn, he's not laughing with you,

press corps, he's laughing at you. it would be funny if the country wasn't in absolute disarray. it would also be funny if there wasn't a real issue with transparency and all that does is belie the fact he's always been a quick tempered individual. in his 50 years, the fact that he's chosen to live his life quite publicly, we know how old he is. it would be different if, perhaps, he had something to show for it. instead, we've been dealing with a vast cliff diving mental decline and his snapyness and short temperedness has increased. everything about that left a poor taste in my mind. iep not surprised. >> harris: you hit the nail on the head. i was thinking about this as you were saying it was making you angry. he's the one that's angry and not being honest about that. he doesn't cheerfully walk away. he cusses out reporters. he gets really short with them. he does anything but cheerfully walk away. he's awes not telling the truth on how he exits. that turn on his heels and exits is usually out of frustration. >> emily: remember, it wasn't just the press corps.

when he was campaigning the first time, he was calling people -- he was calling voters names that had the audacity to ask him a question! never ask him a question. >> even the joke was a lie. exactly. can't even joke truthful things. >> the senator called him agile. i'll leave you with that. said no one ever. that's a joke, too. >> kayleigh: coming up, chuck todd is getting hillaried for suggesting that gender is now a term. more on that next.

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>> emily: it wasn't long ago when the left kept telling us to "follow the science." remember the signs in the yards. watch what happened when the g.o.p. presidential hopeful broke down the science surrounding gender and surgeries for kids in a heated discussion with nbc's chuck todd. >> below the age of 18, i think

it's pretty legitimate that we won't allow genital castration through puberty blockers. >> how do you know -- are you confident that you know that gender is as binary as you're describing it? are you confident it isn't a spectrum? do you know this as a scientist? >> there's two x chromosomes if you're a woman, xy. >> there's a lot of scientific research that says gender is a spectrum. >> i respectfully disagree. we've created a culture that teaches parents they're being bigly onned or bad people if they don't actually take those steps. so part of what i think is, listen, gender dysphoria for the rare few people who have suffered it is a condition of suffering. my question is why on earth are we going out of our way to create even more of it? >> emily: that conversation for me, kayleigh, is the thoughtfulness, the detail, it is clear that he is prepared and thoughtful and has done his

research and has had articuable point and point of view that should be respected if just for those tenets and for some reason, the left as represented by chuck todd seems to want to throw a spear in an exactly one finite point. really fascinating to me. >> kayleigh: so true, especially when you talk about having precision. he said pretty bluntly you get two x chromosomes for get an x and a y. we learn this in science. this is not news. it's not new. and it used to be we love the science. all hail the science. do not question the science. until the science is not woke enough. then all of a sudden, the science goes out the window. the left needs to tread carefully on this. our own fox news polling showed that on issues, women's sports, transgender individuals in women sports, 81% said it was either a major or minor problem. about overly accommodating transgender policies in schools, 74% said it was either a major or minor problem. this is one of these wedge issues people recognize basic common sense on. and the left should tread

carefully on it. >> emily: it's interesting, in light of that, remember leah thomas whose comments were you cannot support me a little bit or say you support me without supporting me wholly meaning my participation in biological women's sports. so given it's a wedge issue, that left has also drawn quite a line that says you're either with us fully or you're completely against us. >> harris: i'm not sure what that means yet because it's all in transition and it's still moving and we're supposed to be able to keep up with the moving train and know how someone identifies and how they want us to call them and so on and so forth. it's legitimate to say that we are learning. and we are trying to keep up. it's also legitimate to say we can't keep up right now because the science says one thing or two things or three things. and people are telling us something quite different. people are telling us what they wish it would say. which is why we say transgender women. i mean, jason rantz, i've talked about this and quoted it in many, many times. member of the lgbtq plus

community has said, if an actual woman is equal to a transgender woman, why do we call her trans? why do we do that? because they're not the same. and we know that if we try to transgender and try to go from female to male and play in sports by taking testosterone, we're not allowed to do that. that's hormone use that we're not allowed to take. we're not having a real good apples to apples conversation right now. and you almost said it. you didn't mean to. you said silence instead of science. you're right. they want us to be silent about all of our questions, about our misunderstanding. we misunderstand a lot of things in life. we aren't allowed to talk about them? if we can't do that, we're not going to accept any of this as a country. >> often, this issue gets couched as a fairness issue with sports. it's not. this is about the truth. we're in a fight for truth as a country right now. and the truth is there's two genders. it's male or female.

that's it. that's all there is. this is basic biology. and it's a test of submission for the left because if they can get people to accept demonstrable lies, deny basic biology, they can get you to submit to anything. they own you. society is now under their control. so that's what we are in right now, fight over the truth and to your point, they try to silence you if you raise questions, if you speak the truth. that's what they want. they want you to fear speaking out. fear for your job. fear for societal approval. and then even beyond that, they want you to fear them. look what happened to riley gaines to be assaulted on a college campus to spare to speak truth. they want us to live in fear. only way through this as a country is to not fear them and not submit, speak the truth. speak out! resist! and when gender is a spectrum, that means you can -- it means, then, you can have a whole host of language in there that can be extremely undefineable, right, again the precision is lost which means anything you say will be used against you. enes, what are your thoughts? >> 100%.

i can't believe that we are arguing about this topic while china is taking over the world, we're talking about if you have more than two genders or not. god created a man and woman. that's it, you know, and, you know, i want to give a huge shoutout to my friend riley who is one brave person. unbelievable. she was at the actual white house correspondents dinner and we had a conversation with her. i was like keep doing what you're doing. keep doing what you're doing. university of kentucky, you know. shoutout to the wildcats. >> went to tennessee. >> you're the biggest rivalry. >> harris: i volunteer to be on your side. i went to uc santa barbara and nobody is on my side. >> emily: i appreciate that. doesn't always happen. to have people on your side. it feels good. all right, guys. coming up, elon musk is again taking on censorship. his stand against what he calls the woke mind virus and why he says that it's so important to battle it head on. that's next.

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>> elon musk is again taking a stand on free speech and censorship. in a lengthy conversation with hbo's bill maher, twitter c.e.o. shared his thought on social media in his battle against what he called the woke mind virus. >> what is the woke mind virus? if we don't deal with this, nothing else can get done. tell me about that. >> anything that is anti-american and anything that is -- that results in a suppression of the free speech. so, you know, those are two of

the aspects of the woke mind virus that are very dangerous. we see from, you know, the left a desire to actually censor. and that seems crazy. i mean, i think we should be extremely concerned about anything that undermines the first amendment. >> he gets it. this is the bed rock of our country. totalitarian places like china you don't have this. >> it's all about free speech and our first amendment. i have a great example of my country because i want to tell you that we should not take it for granted. my manager's wife is turkish and her dad liked one of my tweets on twitter and he was in jail for 13 days. so i just want to say we should not take it for granted and it's all about, you know, protecting our first amendment. >> kayleigh: 13 days in jail. >> not retweeted. liking a tweet.

>> harris: would he do it again? >> now, he's in turkey. i don't think he will do it again because i mean, the jails can get tough. >> harris: worked for that government. so it isn't just the chilling of free speech. it's cancelling it completely. >> yep. >> harris: that's what i'm afraid will happen here. >> it is, though. to be perfectly honest, douglas macke is facing 10 years in prison for a meme for something he posted in 2016. we're not as free as we think we are. what worries me more than first amendment violations which we've already seen with the government colluding with big tech to stifle americans and free speech is the fact that there's an increasing percentage of americans that don't care. there are more americans who would rather fit in the crowd than be ostracized for telling the truth. that scares me more than some of the other stuff. if you have a larger percentage of the population that doesn't want to be free, that doesn't care about freedom, we're going to lose it. and we already are.

so, you know, i hope more americans wake up, you know, and want to live in a free country. we're losing it. >> kayleigh: well said. we see it on the left, emily, with the disinformation board from biden which thankfully was disassembled. auditing a.i., you know, scares me. leftist programmers auditing a.i. and the federal government, too. you know, and then something as simple as the intel community. 51 people, you know, coming together and saying hunter biden's disinformation and then completely siphoning that speech until after the election. >> emily: the effective that was so real and rampant. to your point, the empathy is frankly frightening. i see parallels and see us trudging slowly but surely towards that eventual really dictatorial place. i wonder if you see parallels and comment on that apathy as you see it frightening given where you've come from where the consequences are so truly fatal. what do you see happening here? >> at one point in my country, turkey, we did have free speech

and democracy and stuff. it literally changed in a heartbeat. that's what i'm scared for this country. we should not take it for granted. we have to educate ourselves. and, you know, we need to go out there and express ourselves because i just don't want that to happen for this country. like lisa said, you know, we are not free as we think we are, you know. but what we got to do whatever we can to rectify that. >> harris: what was the tipping point that you noticed in your country? no, democracy is dying. >> uh-huh. well, happened in turkey, the president and his family was involved in it and after that, he started to put innocent people in jail. he started to put journalists in jail who wrote about that corruption scandal. after that, he started to shut down media outlets. and once i saw that, i was like this guy is fighting against free media and putting innocent journalists in jail. we got to do something about it. after that point, it got worse and worse. now if you're a journalist, you can't write anything about it because they're scared they're going to be in jail the next day. >> emily: unbelievable.

harris, censorship is a powerful weapon. elon musk talked about this. take a listen to this. >> thing about censorship, for those who would advocate it, just remember at some point, that will be turned on you. >> harris: true. i mean, the idea of not being able to use our words and debate. i know, we joke and call some of the college students on campus who don't want a conservative speaker on their campus snowflakes and so on and so forth. it's bigger that they're snowflakes. it's what you said, lisa, they're settling for less than freedom. it's absolutely ok for them not to be able to express themselves fully as long as they can quiet the rest of us, they feel like they can't use their words effectively. you have a quieter society. that's complete control by the government. that's really unacceptable because we are exceptional and we must shout that. be bold in our faith. be bold in our exceptionalism.

don't let anybody shut that down. >> emily: yep and instill those values in an up-and-coming generation. >> harris: amen. >> emily: one nba star takes a heartbreaking loss and shares an important life lesson. that viral moment next. -that's it? -yeah. progressive's homequote explorer makes it easy to compare home insurance options. man...i told my wife i'd be in here for hours. what do we do now? we live... ♪ save time and money with progressive's homequote explorer. what you do afterwards, is up to you. oh, whoa, i was actually just thinking i would take a nap. pretty tired. okay.

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>> coming up, the man in congress heading up the investigation into hunter biden will join us live on what today's court hearing involving hunter's child with another woman means for the ongoing investigation into his business dealings with his father, joe biden. james comer is our guest and join us with what he knows at this hour. plus, a man hunt under way for a mexican national wanted in the execution style shooting of the five neighbors of his in texas. update on that shortly. and joe biden's new controversial mortgage plan. it goes into place today. jeff reports on bad credit borrowers getting preferential treatment over those with good credit. join us on "america reports" that kicks off a brand new week. ♪ here comes the sun ♪ ♪ here comes the sun ♪ ♪ and i say ♪ ♪ it's all right ♪ ♪

>> emily: sports can be symbolic of life. life involves compassion and character, sports can develop those skills to apply on the playing field and in life. and one nba star just reminded us of that. the top seeded milwaukee bucks fell to the miami heat in the nba playoffs on wednesday night. the milwaukee superstar giannis was talking to reporters after the upset loss and he gave us a life lesson. watch. >> do you view this season as a failure? >> do you get that promotion every year on your job? no, right, so every year you work is a failure. yes or no? no. every year you work, you worked with something towards a goal. right? it's not a failure. there's always steps to it. you know, michael jordan played 15 years. won six championships. the other nine years was a failure? that's what you're telling me? answer my question, yes or no.

exactly. why are you asking that question? it's the wrong question. there's no ail failure in sports. there's good days, bad days. some days, you're able to be successful. some days you're not. some days it's your turn and some days it's not your turn. that's what sports is about. you don't always win. >> emily: that to me is a champion mentality. >> i agree and disagree. i agree because you're going to have good days and bad days in life. whatever happens, you can't give up on your dreams and also on your teammates. that's what he did, you know, he said he's going to come out stronger next year and try to do it again. i disagree because you're a top seed. and you literally lost to an eight seed. and everybody was expecting them to win a championship. so it is a failure. but you can always learn from it, grow from it. you get a lot of experience and stuff. but i'm going to disagree with that. i think it is a failure.

>> emily: spoken of the other true nba superstar on the couch. and lisa, last night, in hockey, there were a couple of big upsets. colorado and boston. a lot of these superstar champions are getting upset. but the point remains that the character is what's unwaiverable in that way. >> i think this is a loser's mentality. >> i agree 100%. >> here's the thing, if you fight a war and lose, does it matter how hard you fought? you lost, right? he referenced michael jordan playing 15 years in the nba winning six championships. what made michael so great, if you look at the nine years that he didn't win the championship as failure. that's what motivated him to be michael jordan and be good as you are. if you don't win, you've lost. i think failure is what drives you. failure is a bigger motivation, fear of failure is a big motivation than winning in my opinion. it's a loser's approach. >> emily: right, i think i hear what you're saying, lisa. and here's to that point.

>> harris: step towards -->> emily: whole point is you use that to continue persevering in that. you see that failure as a first attempt in life so that you know you will fail. but you don't stop trying. the point is the perseverance so that sustains as your greatness. >> harris: i watched this a couple of times to figure out why over the weekend was going viral. we had new york state gymnastics championships over the weekend. my 13-year-old, 14 today competed. and we've had some amazing gold medals and stood up on world stages. and then we've had other days when we were in the audience. and i agree with lisa. i think all of it makes you better. and you can't have denyability of failure because then the winning doesn't feel as big. so i think he gets it right when he says failure is that next step toward greatness. but all of it actually makes you great because the failure is what keeps you humble. so when you win and you get up on that stage, you don't act like a fool. >> emily: i agree with that. if i make one mistake, i

consider perfection. if it's not perfect, it's a failure. in my mind, it's good and makes you better. keeps the bar high. that being said, i thought this was a very classy response. i loved what he said. i thought he made some good arguments and said from 1971 to 2021, the milwaukee bucks didn't win a championship. were we failures for 50 years? no, there were steps. i loved how he framed failure as a step. classy response. loved what he had to say. so i applaud him. >> harris: i will say after 50 years of not winning a championship in kansas city, it felt good to win one and those were all different teams. so they were steps at different times for different people. but, you know, wasn't giannis out of the game? he played a few minutes of the first game. >> he was hurt. >> harris: he was hurt. >> he came back, yeah. >> harris: who knows how that series would have been different had he been playing at the level or even in the game. >> i'm over the participation trophy in society. >> exactly. we lost, go home. >> strive for excellence and winning again. >> emily: optimism, too. optimistic, he inspired me and

said i heard this last year. and i came back with a better attitude. >> for everyone here! >> harris: failure is is failure. >> emily: i think excellence to me, that's an aggregate. excellence to me means that likely you did fail on the way. i think there's a participation culture now. but it's also an instant gratification. and that's what i see is so different, you know, as an nfl cheerleader. i cheered alongside plenty girls that didn't make it their first audition and they kept auditioning and one day they did it. one day they were at the level and at the nfl level where they made it. so to me, someone acknowledges failure as a step in growth, yeah, it's the pathway to excellence. >> harris: we have to tell our students that every single step of the way is an experience. >> be like don't be a loser. >> harris: that's ok! more "outnumbered" in a moment.

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♪♪ >> harris: trying to convince me you don't have any moves. i get you. last but not least, enis cantor freedom, his mission has cost him his family, his job and threatened his safety, and a new fox nation special available on "the price and splendor of freedom." here is a bit. >> they tried to do everything they can to shut me up. >> people affiliated with enis were detained in countries. >> my dad was detained, my

sister lost his job, my little brother wanted to play in but a statement saying we are disowning. a feeling of shame, i apologize to the turkish people for having such a son. >> harris: you were sharing with us why you are not playing ball in europe. >> because the bounty. >> harris: you have a bounty on your head. by whom? >> the turkish government. most wanted terrorist list. i was in the vatican doing a basketball camp for kids and the fbi called my and said get back to the u.s. immediately, turkish government has put a bounty on your head. the flex flight i came to america and i have not left since. and now even walking on the streets they are telling me to just be cautious. >> harris: this special, you talk about the splendor of

freedom, that's a bit of the price. just real quickly, what does that mean? >> this was a story of why freedom is not free, you know, a huge shout out to fox family, fox nation and our producer, she would kill me if i did not give her a shoutout, she worked so hard for it. but this was the whole story about my family, about basketball, mba. they asked picture of my family, i barely found them, only few of them. but it's all about freedom. >> harris: tune in, fox nation, "america reports" now. >> sandra: a hearing earlier today in a courtroom in arkansas could be key for federal investigators and house republicans looking into the biden family and allegations of influence peddling. hunter biden appeared be