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last monday. the the marine's lawyers releasing a statement that reads in part, quote, when mr. neely began threatening the passengers, daniel, with the help of others, acted to protect themselves until help arrived. daniel never intended to the harm mr. neely and could not have pore seen his untimely death. but activist al sharpton is firing people up saying criminal charges must be filed now. >> if you conot prosecute him, in my judgment, you will set a standard of vigilantism that we cannot old rate. the precedent -- tolerate. the precedent alone is a threat to the all of us. we cannot allow this lawlessness to go unchecked. you're not going to choke this young man to death and let us not stand up and raise our voice. >> you know, it's remarkable with al sharpton being around for 20 years, he hasn't saved the world yet, but apparently he

is not. julie, it's kind of amazing, i try to stay off the subway as much as possible. you know, i was looking up the numbers, and since 2019 major crimes on the subway have counseled in the -- doubled in the past, since 2019, including 10 killings last year. though pickpocketing is down. but 10 killings last year. >> yeah. >> you know, what are new yorkers supposed to do? >> yeah. move? because, honestly, the crime rate in new york city has been soaring, obviously, since the pandemic thanks to politicians. and now it's getting even worse. so what do you do if you go on the subway? civilians are given no other choice but to protect themselves because they can't lean on law enforcement because law enforcement doesn't have the backing of the politicians. notice the trickle down, okay? so i talked to the nypd exclusively today, and here's what they had to say to me regarding how, basically, this system failed. jordan neely had 42 prior arrests, and he says to me, and this is nypd, high level, if you

have never been or seen someone cornered on a subway car by a mentally ill person who could possibly kill you or them, then you don't travel on the subway system. if you understand the reality of the situation, then you understand that sometimes average folks need to take action in extraordinary circumstances. whatever led up to the unfortunate death of mr. neely was not a preconceived intent by anyone involved. what initiated this terrible result was erratic and dangerous behavior. good intent by anyone intervening should not imply any intent to harm. mr. neely was let down by the system. neely had 42 the prior arrests. he clearly has mental health issues as well. the system let him down. and now we've got a marine veteran -- desperate -- veteran who stood the up. this guy had pulled out a gun and shot everyone, he would have been hailed a hero, but instead we have protesters decrying him a murderer. >> tom, listen to what mayor adams said here.

it sounds like he's almost leaving open the possibility that they're trying to be open-minded about it, but when you listen to other people, it sounds like they've made up their mind. listen to what mayor adams said. >> i asked to get the body cam, and i realized that they were there in six minutes. and i said, well, where did the 15 minutes come from, you know? someone blurted it out, and all of a sudden it became facts. and so we have to be very careful that facts is based on the actual facts and not what we want to create them to be. i just want to be clear, it did not take police officers 15 minutes to get there. >> before i go to you, or tom, listen to the what kathy hochul says, the mayor -- the governor of new york is one of these politicians who at the exact same time is trying to sort of ramp up the hysteria now. >> i do want to the acknowledge how horrific service the to view a video of jordan neelying being killed -- kneelingly being killed for being a passenger on

our subway trains. our hearts go out to his family. i'm really pleased that the cricket the attorney is looking into this matter. as i said, there have to be the consequences, so we'll see how this unfolds. but this family deserves juses us. >> so which is itsome. >> i mean, she continues to be a horrible person as does al sharpon. i've got to give mayor adams some credit here because at least the he is saying, oh, maybe we should wait until the facts come in. we do have a lot of facts. julie you said, what, 42 the times this guy was arrested? their using words like vigilante. this guy was going about his day. he wasn't on patrol, he wasn't even doing a neighborhood watch. this wasn't the guardian angel. the guy was trying to get from one place to another. so using words like vigilante, yes, of course that is whipping people up. and it's reprehend bl it's terrible that they're doing that. so what do you saw about this -- say about this guy? everyone should cool down, but you can't. i'm expecting mayor adams to

cave on this because that's the way it goes. the reason these protesters are out will the is they want action now. this is like no justice, no peace. so like most democrats, i expec, i do expect him to cave because that's the way these things go. >> well, it is kind of amazing when you look at somebody like al sharpon the, where were these people when george can neely could have maybe used their help when he was still alive? the way this always seems to work in our politics is the last person who has an interaction with somebody whether it's george floyd or in this case jordan neely, it's only last person in the line who winds up getting punished for this sufficient. >> well, hochul's a liar. he wasn't killed simply for being a passenger, he allegedly took his jacket out, threw the it on the ground, said something like i don't mind going to jail, getting life many in prison, i'm ready to die. when someone says that on the subway, what do you think is going to happen next if you're danielle penny? he obviously -- daniel penny?

he obviously seemed to think his life was in danger. jordan neely punched a 67-year-old woman in 2001 allegedly as well, so who knows what the man would have done. and i'm sick and ire thed of the racial exploitation -- tired. the intentional racial divisions. al sharpton wouldn't care if the victim was white. where is he when there's black on black crime? it's only when a black man dies at the hands of white people that the media seems to care or the left when they can the racially drive divisions in this country, and i'm sick of it. at least be honest about the facts of the case. you know, it seems like basically what they want to the happen is they're going to let the criminals roam the streets, and you just have to allow yourself to die, get pushed in front of a train or god knows what else. you can't defend yourself. >> none of these people want to help or have anything to contribute to any of this unless there's, like in the case of al sharpton, it's a situation where he can exploit it and use it to his own personal advantage. >> you know, what happened to george can neely, let's be

honest, was tragic. >> right, absolutely. >>s the absolutely devastating, and i feel horrible for his family. he should have been given the help that he obviously desperately needed. what is really desperately needed in this city is the assistance to the cops. the cops need help. >> right. >> okay? they need more funding, they need to have more cops on the street. you know, the media also is not helping because you just heard mayor adams say the media went off saying it took 15 minutes for them to respond. it took 6 minutes. like, let's get it right. we have a responsibility in the media to report the facts so we're not incensing these protest e theres to go out and say that the police didn't do their job. my source also told me odd to, quote, we have initiated a larger uniform presence in the system to the deter criminal behavior, so the cops are doing everything in their power to the try to bring down the crime in the subway system. polling itses need to get behind hem -- politicians immediate to get behind them. >> they're not listening to you right now. look at this montage we put together. >> the 24 the-year-old former

marine is someone who chose a lethal means with his hands and his training to enact vigilante justice because he felt threatened. mr. neely should be alive, this individual should be arrested. >> i couldn't help but hi of the, like -- think of the, like, ten other things that could have been done before this person decided the wrap his arms around mr. neely's neck and choke him to death of. >> how did this guy get to get away with doing the chokehold that police can't even do? and what about all those people standing there watching him die. how is that not a crime? there was no one else on the train. no one was at risk. >> so why are we celebrating and excusing criminal behavior though? >> right. >> i mean, obviously, it is sad for anyone to die, right? every life matters in america, but does jordan neely not have some ownership over his actions? we celebrate criminals, in america 42 the prior arrests, punch. ing a 67-year-old woman in the face. we kid the with george floyd, they put up statues of the guy

who had been a part of armed robbery in the past. why are we celebrating and excusing criminal behavior? >> and also, you know, when your politics, when the highest order of your politics is, you know, on a good day racializes everything and turns it, puts it through this vortex, can you be surprised we wind up with horrible situations like this? >> and who is going to the stand the up? we always hear this about the american male and, you know, whe guys to stand up. you remember todd the beemer, let's roll. that kind of attitude was in this country from 9/11 for a good decade. concern decade. we had people out there willing to step up. i don't think people should step up now. what good is it for a citizen to step up, to step in because what's going to the happen to them? this is going to the happen to them. >>st the a good point. st terrifying if but a good point. okay, coming up, president biden now playing the blame game on his record low approval numbers. >> all they've heard is negative news for three years.

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♪ i'm gonna soak up the sun, i'm gone a that tell everyone to lighten up. ♪ >> welcome back to "the big saturday show." president biden is playing the blame game in a new interview. shock iser. according to bind, quote, negative press is his reason for low approval numbers being at an all-time low. watch. >> all they've heard is negative if news for three years. everything is negative. if i'm not being critical of the press. you can turn on the television, the only way you're going to get a hit is if there's something negative, you know? you don't -- anyway, that's number one. but number two, i think we're in a situation where you have much of what we were able to do only is going to come into play now. it's going to the take time to get this done. >> how negative exactly is the coverage of biden? well, there's a study, it was done in the first 100 days of

his presidency. it shows about 60% of the coverage of biden was actually positive compared to president trump's first 100 days which was 90% negative. [laughter] i'm not quite sure how he could possibly be complaining about the press when, truly, it is mostly positive which then i have to thank you, mr. president, for giving us so much credit since we're about the only opposition that's actually telling the truth which he sees as being negative. so i guess we're the only news in own theful thank you. >> yeah. the rest of it's just a propaganda machine. they talk about what his favorite ice cream is, things like that, right in. [laughter] but i do, i worry about underestimating joe biden and democrats' chances for 2024 because we're living in a corrupt country, you know? what have we learned recently? we learned that those 51 former intel officials colluded with the biden administration to conning connect this lie that hunter biden's laptop was russian disinformation. these are people at the helm of great power in the country who

intentionally lied to us as american citizens, worked with the democrat campaign before an election. and then you've got the secretary of state, blinken, also lying about his relationship with hunter biden and the fact that they had e-mailed, previously lied to congress in that regard. there's no telling what these people willing to do to try to win and rig an election. so i just worry about underestimating democrats heading into 2024 even though biden's a hot mess. >> here's what, speaking of hot mess, president biden says about hunter and how hunter has impacted his presidency by making him feel proud. >> my son has done nothing wrong. i trust him. i have faith in him. and it impacts my presidency by making me feel proud of him. >> okay. i'm a parent, so i know what it feels like to feel proud. i also know what it feels like to curse out my children -- >> although i don't think -- >> i don't let my children get away with the following: fox news first reported in december of 2020 hunter biden was the target of a grand jury investigation prompted in part by suspicious activity reports

regarding suspicious foreign transactions. fox also learned biden was being investigated for two misdemeanor charges, tax filing charges and a false statement charge over a gun purchase. now, as a parent, would you say i am so proud of you, hunter? >> so i think you and i probably come from the exact same school of parenting. one is you lie to your children about everything you did -- [laughter] >> absolutely. >> i was an excellent student -- >> i don't want my kids to grow up to be the teenager i was, i can tell you that. [laughter] >> then when it comes to dealing with them and what they co, you never lie to them. it's the truth, please, every day. and you never tell them they're good at something they're terrible at because it's -- and i think you would agree. you don't, you wreck a child if you lie to them like this. and is there any wonder the guy winds up a, well, whatever. he's done. but listening to biden complain about the press is the most ridiculous thing i've ever -- this entire, his entire

administration is a figment of the press' imagination, and just this weekend or last weekend, whatever it was that the white house clown show, "the washington post" was given an award by a reporter for capturing biden's spirit. [laughter] and doing story about his, joe biden's keep abiding catholic faith. so, you know, the idea -- [laughter] that joe biden is up against, like, his miserable anti-biden press, it's absurd. >> yeah. and they just gushed over his recent trip to ireland which, by the way, president biden couldn't even remember -- >> which was a family junket. >> a child -- ireland, i'm losing my voice, but it was much higher pitched. watch. >> if you saw the images and the video of the president meeting with thousands of people who waited on the streets for hours in the frigid cold, you might think that you're seeing a hollywood star or the equivalent here in ireland. >> there are hundreds of people

lining the streets here, and the scenes are quite reminiscent of 60 years ago when president john f. kennedy, the first irish catholic president, visited ireland. >> it has been just such a joyful, a joyful trip for joe biden and for the people of ireland. and you can see that in the headlines. i know back in the states a lot of people focusing on a few gaffes. they're not focusing on that in ireland. >> okay. so, you know, the president, as you recall, tom, did not remember that he was in ireland when he was asked where was the last place that you went, and he was also asked about being an 82-year-old biden and being back in the white house and how that would look. can you just do an impromptu bind impression for us? >> well -- >> it's my favorite thing in the world. >> julie, i don't blame him for forgetting that he was in ireland because it's just like being in the u.s. for him, he's riding around in a limo with squint, and he's just watching the world go by through tinted glass. so why would he do -- what

should i dosome that's what he always says. what should i do thesome. [laughter] we are. we're watching you fall if upstairs. [laughter] >> and off a bike. >> yeah, exactly. lisa, i'm with you. i think we can underestimate him because he is, obviously, cog any tyly -- cognitively, his cognitive abilities are enough the hurt the country because his policies are what's hurting country. so, in essence, if you look at my politics, all right? i'm right wing. if i had an 82-year-old who seemed to be showing signs of demen shah, i would vote for hir him over joe biden and over gavin newsom. to me, it's policies. so i think republicans should remember that and instead of calling him old, sleepily by jos enoughed to do a lot of damage, and i think republicans should focus on that. >> but, see, this is the problem, and this is problem with your impersonation of him,

i can no longer differentiate between your impersonation of him and joe biden. i'm now -- >> you joe biden? >> we've never seen you in the same room at the same time. >> that's the thing, you know, i think sometimes he might be watching fox. my daughter actually said the other day, dad, he's starting to do you. [laughter] >> seriously, my favorite thing. we have to go, guys. >> yes, exactly. all right, next, days before thousands of illegal immigrants are expected to flood the southern border, the homeland security secretary insists the border is secure. the last minute preparations and the hypocrisy coming up next. ♪ -- many times i've gazed along the open road ♪ even if you got ppp and it only takes eight minutes to qualify. i went on their website, uploaded everything, and i was blown away by what they could do.

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>> welcome back to "the big saturday show." well, it's almost here, the end of former president trump's title 42, the pandemic era policy which allowed the u.s. government to quickly expel migrants who crossed into the u.s. illegalliment after thursday it's going to be a free-for-all. the biden administration is in staunch denial of that. here's homeland are security secretary alejandro mayorkas. >> our border is secure. border is secure because we are maximizing our resources to deliver the most effective results to our border with the most extraordinary work force in the world. >> yeah, charlie, it hasn't really seemed secure as millions have flooded over here illegally without punishment, and it's only going to get worse when title 42 expires. >> yeah, it's going to explode. he's such a liar. it's so amazing to look at those clips. i remember two years ago when he started making claims like that and i med bets with people, oh, he's going to be the fall guy for the administration.

at some point this is going to be so bad for him because one of the things we learned in 2016, the issue of illegal immigration and an open border has been a slow-burning, sleeper issue for 30 years, and it just kind of all came the a head because one guy comes along, donald trump, and says, hey, this is a problem. and, of course, it was something democrats and republicans both cared about. and now it's even worse than service it is over the past -- than it was the over the past several decades. so i think this is going to, i think that everybody in washington is overlooking and especially the biden administration how bad this is going to wind up being for them politically. the question is, for me, is whether republicans will be smart enough to figure out how to harness it and, you know, make the tough promises to actually do something about it. >> i hope so. you know, i hope they call out the biden administration, and i hope voters care about it. you know, julie, so the biden administration's now going to send active duty troops, but

let's a take a listen to something kamala harris has said in the past about deploying troops to the border. let's just take a listen. >> i believe that it is inappropriate to require the limited resources of the united states military to be used in such a way all because there needed to be some demonstration for the tv cameras based on a political agenda. >> that's from 2018. >> yeah, that's sweet. [laughter] when title 42 ends, let's just be clear, there will be a full invasion and full swing of invasion of illegal immigrants in this country reminiscent of the afghanistan withdrawal, okay? that is how serious this is. and the fact that this white house thinks it's some sort of political stunt is absolutely absurd. mayorkas instead, here's his take: to the individuals themselves who are thinking of migrating, that's you if you're watching us in mexico or venezuela, listen to this

warning. do not believe smugglers. please access the official government publications, please access the official government information on the department of homeland security web site for accurate information. i'm really sure that smugglers right now are going www.homeland security.com. ooh, it says here the border is not open, so we should deter. [laughter] what is the deterrent? there is concern. >>.gov -- dot.gov. >> i'm so sorry. for mayorkas to say the border is secure is an outright lie. she talks about how bringing troops to the border would be bad back in to 18, now they're bringing troops to the border. maybe you shouldn't have taken them out of afghanistan, and then you'd know what you were doing. they don't know what they're doing, period. >> and i want to pull up this, so now joe biden created this crisis, and now he's trying to use it and the fentanyl crisis to the reup the foreign

surveillance act. biden has a new pitch to reup a controversial surveillance program, and republicans might like it. it goes on to say this, quote: the biden administration if is leaning into a politically potent issue, fentanyl, traffic from -- trafficking from mexico to reauthorize a controversial george w. bush era surveillance program. let's listen to some of the debate on capitol hill. >> i lose sleep over the 3.4 million warrantless searches of americans' communications. >> it's more important than ever that that we make sure our civil rights are protected as our national security agencies gather this intelligence. >> americans are being picked up in this incidental collection. we don't know the number. my guess is it's pretty darn big. >> so, tom, not only did he create this crisis at border, but now he's trying to use it to reup the ability to spy on us, american citizens. >> yeah. it's like whatever they can use to get their little pet projects.

702 the is dumb, title 42's dumb. i'm not worried about illegal immigration because of covid is. that shouldn't be our stop gap, that whole thing was idiotic anyway. so, yeah,st ridiculous. but mayorkas can just stare into the camera and say the border is not open, and he knows most of the press is not going to the call him on it. because in the end, whenever you have these discussions people say, well, we all want the same thing. we don't want the same thing. and this is where republicans run into trouble is they don't play hardball enough with these guys. basically, you've got to confront them with the fact that we know they want the border open. that's part of the globalist mentality that these people have. they really don't like borders. they don't like the idea of nation-states anymore. the globalists really want a borderless country. and eventually it's going to be too late, and they're going to the say, oh, well. what are we going to do? >> yeah. this is happening because they want it to happen. good points, tom. coming up, california's about to get one step closer to

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preparations -- reparations task force voting right now, as we speak, to decide whether or not to the pass a first in the nation plan to formally apologize for the so-called perpetuation of slavery. and pay them up to to the $1.2 million if passed. now, this measure will head to the state legislature before it hits the governor, governor newsom's desk. watch. >> as our country reckons with our painful legacy of racial injustice, california again is poised to lead the way. >> watching lead the way on just about anything, tom, is probably the stupidest thing i've ever heard of -- [laughter] when it comes to crime, but, hey, california, governor newsom, you're a genius. >> yeah. >> this just seems like, okay, you're basically setting aside all minority groups, because if you're going to the award a specific minority group millions of dollars but there are several other groups that have fallen victim to privilege prejudices, i can't understand why they would think this would will be a

good idea. >> and they want to be tracing people's ancestry to see if they were, indeed, descended from slaves. imagine what's happening there. it says, according to cal matters, implementation would require formulation of a new state agency. of course. so now you know you're going to have a bunch of white people with six-figure jobs trying to decide who gets the money and, you know, going on ancestry.com to figure out how much people deserve. how about this too? if victims of overpolicing from '71-2020 would be entitled to the up to $# 15,000. t it's not just reparations for slavery. this is victims of all the different liberal projects. overpoliceing? how about underpolicing? how about the people from 2020 til now who are victims of underpolicing? >> and, mine, when was the last time we had genetic sleuthing going on of complete strangersesome kind of didn't work out very well for the

world. but, no, these people concern and there's so many questions about it. like, does this go back to egypt? because i think probably all of us could line up for reparation ares if it did. but it would be nice to sort of put this aside and pretend like this is just some crazy, fringe democrat sort of thing, but it's not. so when hakeem jeffries became minority leader in the house last -- whatever, at the beginning of this year after the last election, all the glowing profiles of him completely glossed over the fact he's completely in favor of reparations. he has pushed legislation that would support reparations, he has called for studies to study how to implement reparations across country. this is not a fringe aspect of the democrat party. this is the heart of the democrat party. >> yeah. >> they are in favor of this. and just because it's in california, we can laugh at everything in california, that doesn't mean that democrats, you

know, across the board aren't four square behind. >> talking about drinking the kool-aid, californians are in favor of reparations. here are just a few, watch. >> reparations is now. pay the debt, cut the check or no reparations, no vote 2024. >> if you are running for office, do not think you're going to win your election if you don't have a concrete plan for reparations. biden, do not seek a second is term unless it's accompanied by an executive order for reparations for descendants of american slavery. >> so now this is a threat to the current sitting president, the man that they put in office, to say if you don't make this a nationwide executive order, you don't get back in the white house. i mean, this is really, this is over the top. >> it's also extortion. i mean, look, this is racist, right in and it's the also bribery. let's call it what it is. they're trying to buy votes in the state of california, and

it's also revisionist history, to charlie's point. look, black people owned slaves in america. native americans owned slaves, american indian withs owned slaves in -- indians owned slaves. at least have an honest conversation about this. but it's also reville to tell someone to draw virtue based on the color of one's skin, an immutable characteristic that you have zero control over. we're all born the way we are. i hate this conversation, i hate that this is happening in america. but when you look at california, that's a progressive's dream. if you want to look at what progressive policies would look like taken to their final conclusion, look at the state of california. if you want to the look at conservativism, look at the state of florida. which one's doing better, and which one just lost a congressional seat because people are trying to get the heck out of there? california. no one wants to live there anymore. >> these are democrats talking out of both sides of their mouth. they want to erase history. slavery never happened.

president lincoln never abolished slavery, but if you are a degeneral cant of slavery, you get a nice big check. here's a democratic denver councilwoman saying white business owners should be tasked to pay minority-owned business owners. she's from denver. watch. >> capitalism was built on stolen land, stolen labor and stolen resources. i think it has to come in the form of land labor and resources in an ongoing fashion. you could be collecting those extra taxes from white-led businesses all over the city and redistributing them to black and brown-owned businesses. >> wait a second. so does this radical redistribution apply to native americans? if because if you're to going to talk about stolen land, let's talk about stolen land. are you kidding? i mean, they honestly, obviously, are selectively looking at american history and utilizing what has happened in our american history to their

benefit but ignoring partial history. >> yeah, there's no principle here. it's all just sort of a smash and grab political operation, is all it is. and our only e hope is that it causes these people who are supporting this to urn the on joe biden and other -- to turn on joe biden and other democrats, and then they can have their party and the rest of sane america can walk away. [laughter] >> the rest of sane america. >> of the rest of sane america is becoming actually a minority group alone. >> oh, yeah. >> i think we should get some sort of tax -- [laughter] >> just an idea, since we're throwing crazy ideas out there. anyway, straight ahead, as concerns about bias in artificial intelligence grow, conservatives have an answer with the new chatbot. but is a political bias the worse we have the fear from the rise of a.i.? that's next. ♪ with a rebel yell, she cried more, more, more ♪ nika. i found. ok johann. there should be a blue wire and a yellow wire.

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its dangers and embedded bias, so there's now a conservative chat bot called gipper named after president reagan. we believe that conservatives are subject to oppressive cancel culture that now includes a.i. and are expected to exists in a society that tells them what to think and how to the act by the progressive left. even the godfather of a.i., jeff. jeff:ery hinton, is wary for this reason -- >> we're boyle call systems -- biological systems, and these are digital systems, and with digital systems, you have many copies of the same set of weights, the same model of the world, and all these copies can learn separately but share their knowledge instantly. it's as if you had 10,000 people, and whenever 1 person learns something, everybody automatically does. >> charlie, that was the godfather of a.i., i expected someone a little tougher sounding. >> you were expecting oz in. >> yeah, a little bit of the

godfather effect there. he's worried about it. everyone's worried about a.i. we can't stop talking about it, but what do you think, charlie? are we in danger? what do we have to do about this? >> my life has already been ruined by a.i. with this thing because, you know, it follows you everywhere, you need it for everything. you can't remember anything because you're always looking up things. you can rely on it. i'm always a little suspicious about a conservative alternative. to anything in this space though. and i think truly the only conservative alternative to a.i. is a flip phone and just to walk away from all of it. and like you said, lisa, buy a farm, live in the country. >> oh, yeah, lisa said that during the break, just to be clear. we've been chatting about getting off the grid here. >> you need water access. you need some sort of, like, a spring, a well, your own well, a hand pump. >> well, yeah. i was saying in the commercial break all of this increasingly makes me want to live off the grid, live off the land.

i don't know how long i would last, but -- [laughter] >> oh, you would figure it out. >> yeah, e yeah, figure it out. >> but, lisa, do you agree with charlie that the idea is -- the only solution for someone who's not progressive or liberal so to just get away from the? do we want to surrender the a.i. world to these people? >> i don't trust a.i. i don't like the idea, we see china use artificial intelligence to spy on their citizens. i also worry, look, we're on a march towards totalitarianism, and this is a tool in the toolbox of censorship. bill gates wants to use artificial intelligence to the fight digital misinformation. so this is their eye, this is what hay want, so essentially it's just another means to censor conservatives, amplify leftist ideology. and so i worry about it being used for just another knock on our liberties. >> yeah. well, you know, i didn't know google has an emphasis, but they did -- [laughter] one time they did.

tristan harris, he says big tech companies knew the risks of a.i., let's take a look. >> the people who started these companies, they have been aware of the existential risks of a. i. since the very beginning. unlike social media where mark zuckerberg didn't say, you know, if we did this -- build this, it might ruin society. but every one of these ceos have known about the fact that there are existential risks for humanity since the beginning. >> yeah. of julie, uh-uh think -- i think one of the things is they think if you create it, they have to use it. i don't care if the a.i. exist, just don't put it in changer of things. it's like robocop -- [laughter] don't give the robot a gun, okay in maybe we'll be okay. so is that the problem? don't turn things over to the a.i. >> you think it's bad now, the white house has just named kamala harris as a.i. czar. what the heck? what is she going to do? she herself is a robot.

[laughter] it could be possible that she, in fact, will identify with a.i., and so she actually might make some good out of something that she's been assigned. >> she has the artificial part down, just not the like, i wond, like, intelligence will wail finally go to the border and figure out that job that she was given and failed at. i'm not sure. >> remember, i love the whole idea of the moon and space -- [laughter] it almost was like a.i. talking there. >> yes, i know. >> all right, we will be right back. ♪ ♪ ave diabetes, it's important to have confidence in the nutritional drink you choose. try boost glucose control®. it's clinically shown to help manage blood sugar levels and contains high quality protein to help manage hunger and support muscle health. try boost® today. dancing is everything. soccer is the best. but her moderate to severe eczema could make it hard for her. now i'm staying ahead of it.

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we're back to the fox news alert. allen texas investigating a shooting at it out on allen, texas. cb cotton is monitoring the breaking news and developments from the newsroom. cb, what is happening right now? i know there is an active shooter in the mall what's the latest? what's upsetting news coming out of texas this evening. fox news has been there are some victims. we do not know the extent of their injuries at this time. reportedly the shooting happened at about 3:30 p.m. this afternoon and summer outlet mall some 30 miles north of dallas. at this point you not know much beyond the initial reports. the allen space bar did take discussion of maybe 40 5:30 this afternoon just to stay away from this area.

lisa present several cruisers appear to be armored swap vehicles. looks and their multiple agencies on the scene which is active protocol. we have seen officers moving around this with long guns another with handguns. we met throughout the evening. multiple gunshots which is so upsetting. honestly even more so for them, taking all that sin. again the latest we have right now as we have been told there are some victims. we do not know the extent of their injuries. of course we are going to be following the story closely on the next hour or so. we are hoping and praying for the best outcome. quest cb cotton, thank you very much for keeping us posted on this. this is what i say every single time there's a shooting weather today mall up metal detectors in

all public spaces such as malls whether innocent civilians and children from the same you would see them in airports. this is the sort of crime that impartially will sadly continue to unfold until this country do something about it. i know they're back events of the second amendment the right to bear arms. it also needs to be about deterrence. that is how you stop crime. you need to turn putting metal detectors. >> you have to make sure it does something it would actually undress. let's do something when i'm preventing the shooting from taking place in the first place. next most important thing about that is where you have the best red flag law there is are felony convictions. when you have people who have demonstrated the not fit for society and not fit for civil liberties taken away via quick sadly red flag lost a of new york have not worked.

mission sale. >> i like to see people out in the straight part member after 911 i live downtown you had guys will think longer and standing out there. >> that is a new chart right there for that will do for us will see them back here same time, same place i p.m. eastern for the big ascendant chauffeuring the boxer's apartment jon scott p6 this is a boxer's part i am jon scott. we continue on mcallen texas' there's a shooting in outlet mall. live aerial pictures outside the premium outlet mall. police say there are victims they say it isn't active shooter situation. we do not know a great deal else. cb cotton live in our city news room she has salinas forest. toxic situation indeed. fox news