lawrence: tonight on cross country * we are following two breaking stories. in allen, texas, a short opened fire in a mall. and in new york city police and protesters are clashing in a

subway. casey, what can you tell us? >> 109,000 people. that's the population of this community. a community that's heartbroken tonight in trying to come up with some kind of answers in terms of what would have driven someone to walk into this very busy shopping center this afternoon in the middle of a saturday afternoon, 3:30 or so, broad daylight, and start opening fire. multiple fatalities have been reported though we don't know the exact number just yet. that information we are trying to get nailed down but we can tell you there have been people who have lost their lives this evening. even a few reports that one of those deaths involves a child. so just the unthinkable here as

the scene is very much active. they have gone ahead and moved the fire truck that was in the road over here. are you going to reopen this now? this is the main road called chelsea, and this has been shut down totally to traffic for quite some time since this all happened. remember when the call came in this afternoon there was already a police officer that was at this location responding to a different call. he heard gun shoots and then he ran in the direction of those gunshots, saw what was happening, and then neutralized the suspect. you hate to run hypotheticals, but you can't help but wonder how much worse this could have been lad there not be a quick-thinking member of law enforcement here. they are going to open up this

main road so they can start to get some of the traffic congestion eased. but the cars parked in there, there have to be hundreds if not thousands of them, because this an outdoor shopping mall. you park and walk around to the various stores. this is still a crime scene, clearly. some of the folks we talked to have been advised by police that they will not be able to get their cars out until tomorrow. you have a lot of folks calling rideshares and even witnessed a couple of emotional reunions on the side of the roads as family members came to pick their loved ones up and embraced here on the sidewalk knowing what happened. so a very fluid situation, but this community trying to grapple what what has happened as this is still an active and fluid investigation at this point. mostly trying to get to the bottom of what would have caused

this, what would have been the motive here. lawrence? >> casey, for a moment here, you have been reporting in dallas for a long time. even before you joined the fox news channel, you were at fox 4. this is home for us. a lot of people don't understand this outdoor mall area and why they are seeing all those cars out there. this is a safe area. people go to allen because it is safe. they love football. this is not the place you mare about shootings. >> no, it's not. you talk about the burbs, this is the definition of the burbs. they have good schools, they have quick police response times. we have seen that playing out here tonight. it may sound ironic or trite,

but when people say not in my backyard they would talk about that coming from this community. again, they are reeling that this has happened. and something so simple as going to the mall. this is one of these big outdoor spaces. you park your car, then you walk over to the express outlet. then you leave the express outlet. you walk outside to the eddie bauer outlet. there are restaurants mixed in there. it was a mixed day, people out there probably on patios enjoying lunch and some drinks. this is a place you come to for several hours. you said you have shopped here before. you said your brother was here yesterday. people in the area know this is a place to come to get a good deal. the last thing you would have expected this afternoon is for gunshots to ring out here.

now at least 8 people we know of in the hospital, and we do have fatalities with this, we just don't know how many at this point. >> we are learning the president of the united states, joe biden has been briefed on the situation. i know you are working your sources. is there any idea on this press conference? is it still happening? do they plan on releasing these vehicles tonight? a lot of people are stranded out there right now as they process this crime scene. >> they are going to try to obviously do everything they can to accommodate people that have their vehicles stuck here. but they are not going to compromise the investigation. as you said, this is one giant crime scene. they have to make sure there aren't any shell casings or bullet fragments on another car. someone else's car that needs on

collected. as far as this press conference that's going to happen, we understand that's still scheduled to happen. it was 6:30, 6:45 local time when they said they were holding one in two hours. so around 8:00, 8:30ish we could be seeing that press conference. you know the last one was quite brief. bit was also big. they let us know there was not a second shooter. we should mention for a period of time this afternoon there was talk that there were potentially two gunmen and they had two gunmen on the run. and that added to the fare and anxiety, especially when you have residential neighborhoods on the opposite side of our camera a stone's throw away.

this has been a tense afternoon. we learned it was a sole gunman, that this person acted alone. lawrence: can you tell our audience how many stores are at this outdoor mall? >> 140, 120, somewhere in there. it's quite big. when we up ily got here, i inform rally asked the team, how many shops do you think are here. we were guessing 40-50. but i jumped on their website, and it's more than a hundred. the parking hot, thousands of people could be here at think given time for sure. lawrence: that explains the response from law enforcement having to clear and relieve all of those stores.

thank you so much. amanda knows so much about this and has been in situations like this. paul, let's discuss this shooting in texas. just explain what law enforcement has to do. when you have a crime scene that is this large. >> hot only is it very large, it's mobile. some of the reporting indicates that the shooter went active immediately upon exiting his car. he exits the car, maybe he's shooting, maybe he's not. then he enters the location and continues to do what he does. there is also the mass confusion, the fog of war in response to something like this.

there was a lot of reporting that there might be a second person involved. so they have to make a clean sweep of the area. you have to hold people there, you have to hold the cars there. then you will go into the backward looking stuff. see if you have indicia of somebody else being there. if you have other cars involved. the shooter's car, you have to make sure there are no booby traps. then you have to go into the shooter's life once he or she is identified. you have to look at his home life. is the house booby trapped? is the bedroom booby trapped? what was their digital life like? this is a tough nut to crack. this will be an all hands response. patrol cops, detectives, the feds are involved. make no mistake. this is major law enforcement.

lawrence: uvalde was a stain on my state, and the response from law enforcement and the way they conducted it. but this cop was responding to a different call. he heard the gunshot and responded immediately and neutralized the suspect. i think he's a hero. he's a hero. >> he is a hero. we don't have all the details yet. but the fact that he took such decisive action. a situation like that is the last thing you are thinking about. you are taken out of your mindset and thrust into a completely different mindset, and you have to make sense of it very, very quickly. god forbid you make the wrong choice. you end up shooting a good guy. this is texas, there is no shortage of guns.

i am reminded of a situation in new york city when a guy ran down a bunch of people on the westside highway and jumped out with what turned out to be a starter pistol. he was neutralized. a privilege was there doing something completely different. he was able to neutralize him before he did any further damage. this officer had to make similar choices in realtime. under the facts we have now, i con agree with you more web's a hero and we have to applaud his efforts. lawrence: there were people who are blessed to survive this tragedy. all their cars are there, they are stranded there. they are traumatized. the first thing i would want to go is just go home. go home, hug my loved ones. can you explain from a law

enforcement perspective why this is still an active crime scene? even if their car is tar away from where the actual shooting took place, there may be a piece of evidence there. can you explain that to the public? >> you never know what you are getting into with a circumstance like this. i'm reminded of the active shooter incidents we had in atlanta where at one point after the crime scene had been cleared and the shelter in hayes was removed. the s.w.a.t. members activated and went running back into the crime scene, but my supposition was they got a report of an unattended package at the location. nerves are frayed. and all of a sudden all the normal rules are suspended now. anything is possible. so you start thinking, did he leave a device, is that bag

something that the perpetrator left so you will pick it up and it goes boom? while it may sound far-flung, you have to make sure everything has been cleared. what if if we find out later that he does have an accomplice. what happens if you let somebody get into that car and that guy decides he doesn't want to get run over? impossible to you lighting far-flung possibilities. it was just as far from a possibility that this person would start shooting in a mall on a saturday afternoon. if i'm at the scene of this thing and i get away unscathed, exact hi what you say, i want to get out of there, i want to hug my loved ones. if i have to leave my car behind, he be it. i will get it when the comes clear the scene. i'm one of the lucky ones.

hawrns * so true, i want to play some sound from some of the witnesses on the scene. >> we just entered. >> there are people so it was clear. outside the window we could see that. lawrence: we don't know, this is just from one individual there. there is a lot of guns in texas. i know sometimes people look at a gun and think it's an automatic weapon but it could be a cosmetic look to it that makes it look like an au automatic. what do you think about this testimony from one of the victims. >> i think you are on track. we have to take with a grain of salt right now. there are numerous incidents throughout law enforcement history where the police junked somebody had an automatic weapon or there were more than one

short and it turns out it was an echo effect or ricocheted. if you are in an enclosed area and you are shooting a weapon, the shots are echoing. what might not be an automatic weapons may sound and feel like an automatic weapons to somebody outside the scene. we don't know right thousand but we have to hold off judgement on assuming this person had an a.r. because of the idea i just put forth. there are numerous incidents where cops start shooting back thinking they are shooting at 10 people and it turns out to be one person. >> i want to talk about the mood of the country. i have been talking to a lot of cops, especially here in texas. they have been talking about how angry people are. i always say make sure you have

your vest. because you just don't know. i'm sure a lot of these cops that responded to the scene today, you can see, they are in shorts. they were carrying on their day. they came rushing to the scene. i talked to one cop who said i keep my vest in the trunk because i never know when i will need that vest. talk about the mood of the country. >> it seems like we keep doing this story and in response everybody goes to their respective political corners, there is no common ground and everybody speaks in absolutes. cops take the job thoughing what they are getting into. but the police in many instances including what's going on in new york city that i though you have been reporting on. the police always end up in the middle of this as a political football. i can tell you, trust me when i

tell you, that's thought where they want to be. take the job, they know what they are getting into. the mood is very tense and the police are hyper aware of it. they are aware they are under a microscope are both sides of the political aisle. and they know there is more video footage of he little thing a cop does, and it will all be hyper analyzed. so the police job has gotten no easy arer. in fact it has gotten harder even than it was in my day when a lot of these factors weren't quite as in play. as we back away from the idea of law enforcement being a positive aspect of society, as a tar left progressive he will entrepreneur progress -- far left progressive

element. it on makes things like we see in new york, where the vacuum in our society that was normally filled by a respect for law and order is being filled by private citizens. i'm just glad that cop was there today in texas. that's all i'm saying. lawrence: paul morrow. thank you so much. another fox news alert. chaos on the new york city subways. an angry mob of protesters jump on the tracks and block the trains. we'll be covering that tonight.p don't goss anywhere. ahhhh... with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary spraying flonase daily gives you long-lasting, non-drowsy relief. (psst psst)

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lawrence: chaos on the new york city subjectways as an angry mob of protesters jump on the tracks and block the trains. it comes after a hopeless man dies on the subway. thank you for joining the program. what are we doing?

what are we dealing with right now? this is total anarchy. it's been out of control for a while. now they are going to attack the subway. we are dealing with the criminals attacking the subway. now we have to deal with the protesters attacking the subways? >> government's number one job is to protect their people and they are failing miserably. they are failing their people. this was a tragic set of events. this was set in motion not by the three bystanders that got involved in the death. it was set in motion by neely himself. he enters the subway train aggressively telling people i don't care, i'll go to jail.

and he threatens people. we have a right to protect yourselves when government fails. kathy hochul is responsible for this. her incompetent leadership is responsible for this. then she goes so far to deflect on her failures, the criminal justice reform failing to hold criminals accountable. she deflects by insinuating he got killed scwufd for riding the subway. she incited this riot. she incited these protests and she should be held responsible. lawrence: it's such an excellent point. i was thinking about her comments. let's just play it. do we thought have it? okay. we'll have it in just a second.

but aoc as well. she said that it was murder. >> she said it was murder. three individuals in a subway that took it in their own hands because they were afraid this man. this is a career criminal with more than 40 arrests and a huge mental health history. they failed him. they failed neeley himself. they failed to hold him responsible for the actions. in 2021 he randomly punched a 67-year-old woman in the head. we owe our new yorkers more. we owe people dealing with mental health issues more. this is not what new york is. we are better than this. we are not supposed to be stepping over people sleeping on

30-degree sidewalks and call that compassionate because no one wants forced care. kathy hochul, alvin bragg, aoc, when they incite these riots, when they incite this hi trade when they deflect from their failed policies, now what happens when someone gets killed on the tracks or my officers go out there to enforce the law and they get hurt. lawrence: i'm joined by someone who experienced this insanity on the subway firsthand. leslie was assaulted while riding the train last year. they think this is a game until it hits their front door. you know all about this. >> definitely. hi, lawrence. the situation with the trains,

it's ridiculous. i think it's super dangerous for them to be protesting in the train stations. but change needs to happen. as long as it gets the message across, that's the most important part. lawrence: where were all these leaders when you got attacked? i did a did a did a search to sf aocer commented on someone who got attacked. what are they doing? >> when my situation happened, and i got attacked on the train. i'm lucky to be here. i got hit in the face. some people are lowrning their loved ones. they need to make changes happen.

aoc and the governor and the mayor of new york need to change the subway system. subway crimes up 54%. i talk to people on the other side, they say new york is safe and crime is going down. what would you say to them? >> we have five different boroughs. but i feel new york has never been safe. we take a few steps forward, and unfortunately we take a few steps back. the subways is one of those areas i don't feel it's safer at all. i thought new york is safe. i grew up here. i thought that nothing like this would happen to me. getting hit on the train on a random friday afternoon the summer, i didn't think it was possible. i think people can sphreact

perspective -- can speak from the perspective of it would never happen to them. hawrns lawrence: i come to the e week to do my show. and i lived here for three years. it's new york city so this is part of the experience. do you see that? >> absolutely. i grew up here. i have been living here my whole life. i don't know anything else but new york. i live close to manhattan. i have seen the bronx and manhattan. with jordan neeley the way he was stating i would rather be in jail than to be in the predicament i am in. some people would hear that and the new yorkers just stay calm. they have this too cool

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lawrence: we are back with a fox news alert. you are looking at allen, texas. multiple people dead after a shooting at a texas shopping mall. you heard there are multiple fatalities. 8 people were transported to the hospital ages 5-61. we don't know their condition. i want to bring in former special agent for the fbi, nicole parker. we continue to get more tragic information. you are a texan like i am. you know this mall. you have family members who live in texas. what is your reaction to the breaking news?

>> i was shocked. i am here in south florida and i got a text from my sister who said you won't believe what happened in your neighborhood. they live 10 minutes from there. my niece was working at a cake shop three minutes away. this an excellent tragedy. from a law enforcement perspective, it's a fluid situation. the first response of law enforcement is stop the killing and stop the dying. there was a heroic officer who came on to the scene and he stopped the killing. we are so grateful he stopped the killing in a timely manner. unfortunately people were killed. but he stepped up to the line when he needed to and we are so grateful for that. as a law enforcement officer, it's chaotic. everyone is responding, all hands on deck.

multiple agencies are coming in. it's a big mall. i am sure they swept the entire mall to make sure there was no other threat. the location of the actual crime, confined to a certain area that has been completely blocked off. we don't know the state of the victims. were some of the victims transported to the hospital and pronounced dead at the hospital? or pronounced dead at the scene. i have done multiple death notifications for multiple shooter scenes. it's a very, very difficult job for a law enforcement officer and for a family to receive that news about their loved one is the most horrendous thing you can imagine. it takes time to identify the victims and the shooter. that's why they are gathering as

much information information as they can. they know it's a frightening thing to have this happen in their area. they are shocked. we keep saying this was a safe area. i don't mean to sound negative, but in this day and age you must be prepared no matter where your area is. >> i want to go back to the notification. nicole, as you stated, you have done it before. multiple times. and what we are learning -- we don't know, we can't tell you the amount of people who died. we are learning we may have lost a child today. explain to our audience how difficult that is to notify a parent of that as well as -- i talked to multiple cops.

that's why we are not going with this information. the thing i keep hearing is you want to get it right. you get one time to deliver that painful news. >> i couldn't agree with you more. that's why when we conduct death notifications in law enforcement, first of all you have to get it right. they have to be proper i i.d.'d. you can't make a mistake on this. we don't know if it was a targeted attack. did the shooter go in and shoot every member of a family? was it random? was it a young child? we don't know the relationship between the victim. that's something law enforcement will be looking at closely as well. you want to do this with compassion. i think people need to understand that law enforcement

officers are human. you think cop are the robots and agents are robots, believe it or not, they have feelings, too. they have images that witness this tragedy. civilians, they are not expected to see this type of thing. this is not what someone from allen, texas expected when they went shopping today. i can tell you it's different to be trained on something than it is to witness it and spread that awful tragic news to someone. it takes time and it's difficult. but together as a community, allen, texas will come together. texans are strong. they will come together. and texans believe in the power of prayer. as someone who has been through this, that's what will pull people through. as law enforcement officers they are living with these images in

their minds forever. you leave the crime scene, that's something you live with forever. i want to give a more human element of what law enforcement is and what they experience. no one is perfect, they get it right most of the time. i want to give my highest level of honor and respect to law enforcement. especially the individual who neutralized the threat in a timely manner. >> i want to bring in fox news contributor tom homan. you know texas. the men and women in law enforcement. they responded in a mighty way. >> they are heroes, right? last week it was law enforcement that got the guy in custody. the uvalde school shooting.

they have got a dangerous job, that's why you see me fight for hard for them on this network because i was a cop, i was a special agent. as i.c.e. director i did not make a death notification. but i have been to many funerals where i talked to the spouse, the wife, the children of an officer who fell in the line of duty. some of them fell doing what i told them to do. it's something i will never accept. so the men and women of law evenersment, they have a tough -- law enforcement, they have a tough job. taking their insurance away so now they can get sued in a personal capacity. lose their home, lose their life savings because they might have made a mistake.

if they didment make a mistake people will -- if they didn't make a mistake, people sue them anyway. the bad thing is, several families will have their hearts broken and they will never be the same. tomorrow this will be politicized. and the bottom line is we don't have a gun problem. we have a moron problem. more and more shootings you see, the more law-abiding citizens who have second amendment rights wants to own a weapon. we are in a tough spot in this nation. lawrence: we are hurting, especiallied the greats state of texas. but we always finds a way to come together and love one another. i'm thinking about the families and children who were sadly

attacked today. thank you for your services always. stay with us for more coverage of all the breaking news tonight both in new york city on the subways as well as in my home state of texas.

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lawrence: we are following the breaking news out of and, texas where a tragic situation mapped at the mall there. multiple fatalities. we can't report how many. eight people transported to the hospital ranging in ages 5 to 61. congressman pat thalon represents the district outside of there. pat, i have known you a long time. what can you tell us. have you been briefed on it?

>> yes, lawrence. it seems like the short was eliminated just outside one of the stores. and there were 9 casualties. we don't how many of still fighting for their lives. it was the heroic actions of an allen police officer that was there for another reason. heard the shots and eliminated the shooter almost immediately. and this could have been a lot worse. praise god for the heroic actions of this officer. lawrence: we are standing by for a press conference that should be coming soon. we have tragedies like this and we dust ourselves off. we love each other. but there are a lot of people who are scared. allen, texas is the last place i would think there would be an active shooter.

it's safe there. you go there because of the safety. >> you and i both shopped at the allen people yument outlet. i'm going to make it a point when they reopen the outlets, i'm going to go back. we can't let evil win. we have to go on and live our lives. smartly, and courageously. respect law enforcement. unfortunately as tom homan said tomorrow, monday, somebody will make this political and try to take away our constitutional rights. we are safer with more firearms in law abiding citizens' hands. the murder rate in this country has gone down the last 45 years. we are actually safer than we have been in quite a while. but it's unfor the flat that

these kinds of things happen. we have to blame only the shooters. no one is is at fault. lawrence: any word on motive. was this guy on law enforcement's radar? any of that information coming out yet? >> i

i think law abiding citizens should carry. particularly when training is not required because it is constitutional carry. getting some training isn't a bad idea to know the laws and know how to defend yourself and others properly within the confines of the law. there are some places that are gun-free zones. they tell law abiding citizens, you better not bring your firearm. but criminals by definition are outside the law. the maximum way to be safe is to arm yourself and know how to use a firearm and support law enforcement. lawrence: congressman, thanks so much tore joining us.

i want to bring cocoa back in here. there is a lot of training on active shooter situations. we keep hearing this over and over again. we talked about it far too much. what do we need to do to keep ourselves safe. >> like the congressman who spoke before. he has it rate. you have a right to bear arms. that's our second amendment. you have a constitutional right to protect yourself. but when you:pull that begun out as a concealed patriot, you just became a man with a gun. you have to have a way to identify yourself as a good guy with a gun versus a bad guy with a gun. the officer had to make a split second decision is that a good

guy or a bad guy with a gun. there is a lot going on there. like the congressman said before. you need to have some training. >> what do you say to folks who live in neighborhoods maybe like allen, texas where they don't think crime will ever hit them, and they don't need to prepare. what would you tell them? >> run away like your life depends on it, you need to be fiscally fit, and run fast. so move move move. second thing is to barricade. try to put something between you and that gunman. and the third is prepare to defend. like a hornet's nest, everyone comes together. and go ahead and tag the guy. enough people coming together at once will take out that armed

gunman. you can take him out and override them whether it's even a plane or a walmart. just like general mathis said be polite and professional, but plan to kill everyone you meet. something you might say could cause someone to snap. you don't know what kind of day someone has had. and your word can be the continues between someone having a good or bad day. your words can make a difference. lawrence: i think about this officer. arrived on the scene for another call. heard the gunshots and instantly responded to the scene and neutralized the subject. that's good law enforcement work. >> it's phenomenal.

i give him -- that's why cops are constantly training over and over. doing the marksmanship. and not just taking down the bad guy. now you have got to deal with first aid. when seconds count, sentence cops and ambulances and fire trucks are minutes away. first aid kits will help save the wounded lifts that are there. take whatever you have, where it high on the joint, and crank it down to help stop that bleeding. if there is a wound on your chest or back, take a piece of plastic and place it on that wound tosome that pneumoher to w

pneumothorrax. 60% of preventable deaths on the battlefield are from massive hem aging. massive hemorrhaging. and opening the airways. having some first aid out there, being armed. and everybody love everybody. ele. stop playing the victim, stop labeling yourself. how you can overcome your challenges. everybody loves a winner. start thinking about yourself. put the bad stuff away and move on with life. lawrence: i want to go back to nypd inspector, paul morrow. we are expecting a press

conference shortly. what do you want to hear from this press conference? >> i think the main thing we want to know now is the identity and the motive regarding the shooter. obviously our main concern is humanitarian that the 9 reported victims. we want all of them to pull through, we are raying for them. but aside from that, from a law enforcement per peck tough we want to know what caused this. i want to know this guy's motives and if he has any friend thinking similarly. if you are being cut throat about it. i want to get down on this guy's life to make sure he doesn't have accomplices and he hasn't been telling people online that this is the right thing to do. i want to though what led to all of this. law enforcement can walk and

chew gum at the same time. on the victim's level of injuries. if there are any deaths, hopefully not. but we all want to know, why did this happen? we always want to know the why when we have events like this. at least we can say this one is over. lawrence, it's if in our how many nature, paul, we always want to know why. paul morrow, nypd, former inspector. thanks for joining the program. if you are just thousand joining the fox news channel, we are covering breaking news in allen, texas, a suburb out of dallas where multiple people have been shot ranging are ages 5-61. the suspect is dead. he was neutralized by an officer who arrived on the scene for a ydfor an unrelated call.

i am going to hand it over to my colleague, jon scott. stay with the fox news channel are we'll be covering all of this tonight. there is another major breaking news story at new york city. on, over to you, buddy. we saw sparks flying, right in front of us so we ran into the store, they want the door. that's where we stayed in the back. jon: i am jon scott a day of shopping turned tragedy at an outlet mall in allen, texas. fox news alert. multiple people shot including the gunman but police are not sharing the exact number. it's 100