enough personnel. not enough personnel. the difference between the 2022 budget, which they want to get back to and the 2023 budget, i increase the funding for the veterans administration by $22 billion. and the reason i did it -- [applause] -- and the reason i did it and probably some of you know these folks, the number of, you know, more veterans are committing suicide than are being killed in battle and so they pick up the phone and they call the v.a. in their area, i need help, well come in in six weeks, come in in whatever. we ended that. we ended that. now they want to go back to the levels where we cut those folks that now provide that kind of help. this amounts to $22 billion cut in veterans healthcare.

now they dispute this. nowhere in their actual proposal are their exclusive protection for veterans. but they say i'm -- it's unusual language we used with presidents these days, they say i'm lying when i say that. the truth is, why do so many veterans groups, why have they spoken out in opposition is the republican proposal. they are not all democrats, they know what's going to happen. folks, that's a game republicans are playing. any time you single out the impact of their overall cuts they tell you no, no, no, it's not true, but they are wrong. they want to protect something, they would have written it down and say we are protecting it. you can't cut this program. you can't cut it. so you can see it. here is another example. under the republican plan, nationwide, 100,000 teachers and support staff would lose their jobs at the very time we are attempting to overcome the

incredible deficiencies that occurred as a consequence of what happened with the pandemic. so many kids, the average student is a year and a half behind. we don't need fewer teachers. we need more teachers. [applause] and by the way, what we should be doing, i'm proposing when i try to finish this job, proposing that we, for example, if we start instead of head start, which they want to cut 21,000 head start spots in this state alone, we should be sending, all the studies show if we -- no matter what the background of a child, if we sent that child to a school at age 3, learning reading, writing and arithmetic, age 3, 4, 5, increase by 56% the chance they'll graduate from high school and go on beyond high school.

[applause] but look -- we are here at a community college, and by the way this is one beautiful community college. it really is. the property here is nice. and the consequences here would be severe. here in new york, it would cut the maximum pell grant that millions of students use to get to community college by nearly $1,000. it would eliminate pell grants entirely for 5,000 new york students and another devastating consequence. moody's, respected firm said the republican plan would cost the country 780,000 jobs. yesterday i brought the congressional leaders together at the white house to make sure america doesn't default on its debt and for the first time in our history, and by the way, i know the speaker keeps saying 93 days ago i said to biden i want to talk to him, and i said fine,

i said you put down your budget, i'll put down mine. i laid down mine in detail on the 9th of march, he didn't put down his so-called budget, i don't know what you would call it, his connecting the two items, he didn't do that until five days after he did it, i invited him to the white house. so, folks, look -- let's be clear. the debt we are talking about is accumulated over 200 years. the last administration alone, the last guy who served in this office for four years, increased the total national debt by 40% in just four years. over the last decade the single largest contribution of the debt aside from the pandemic was trump tax cuts skewed to the wealthy and large corporations, for $2 trillion. i made it clear, america is not a deadbeat nation. we pay our bills.

[applause] and i was pleased but not surprised by the republican leader in the united states senate, mcconnell, who said after the meeting in the white house and went to the press, he said the united states is not going to default, it never has and it never will. we shouldn't even be talking about it. and folks, republicans in congress used to understand this. in fact, under the previous president, republicans voted to avoid default three times. this is not your father's republican party, though. you know, here is what's happened if maga republicans get their way. american defaults on the debt, higher interest rates for credit cards, car loans, mortgages, payments for social security, medicare, troops, veterans could be halted or delayed, according to moody's, 8 million americans would lose their jobs, including 400,000 new yorkers alone. our economy would fall into recession. and our international reputation would be damaged in the extreme. we shouldn't even be talking

about this situation. and as you know, i do a lot of foreign policy -- my stint at senator for all those years and then as vice president. and i've traveled the world, i've met with over 80 heads of state -- 88 heads of state so far, they are looking at me, are you guys serious? no, no, i'm serious, because if we default on our debt, the whole world is in trouble. this is a manufactured crisis. there's no question about america's ability to pay its bills. america is the strongest economy in the world and we should be cutting spending and lowering the deficit without a needless crisis. in a responsible way. i believe in cutting spending and cutting the deficit. in my first two years in office i'm the only president in history that has lowered the deficit in those two years by record $1.7 trillion. [applause] $1.7 trillion. and the budget i proposed back in march would cut the deficit

again by nearly $3 trillion in the decade ahead. for example, my budget cuts $30 billion in wasteful spending on tax subsidies to the gas and oil companies. they earned -- tax subsidies are not all bad but earned $200 billion last year. do they need a $30 billion subsidy? well, look, it cuts wasteful spending for big pharma. we pay more for our prescription drugs than any nation in the world, any advanced nation in the world. you can get the exact same drug if you fly to paris or london or to germany, anywhere you travel, canada. and -- and you pay here, you pay a lot more. big pharma, we cut by $200 billion by expanding the medicare's power to negotiate prescription drug prices. and making drug companies -- [applause]

-- pay rebates when they raise prices faster than inflation. and we have already cut by $160 billion in savings the bill we passed last year and it has three parts to it, by the way. one part did not kick in until january 1. the price of insulin and other drugs -- reduced to $35 -- put it this way. how many of you know someone with type 1 or type 2 diabetes, and you know, you know what's needed to keep -- they need insulin to keep themselves alive or their children in life good health. the price of insulin from 4, 5, $600 a month down to $35 a month. [applause] for those on medicare, and here's the deal. it's not just made it reasonable for people to stay healthy but

it saved the government $160 billion. because they are paying less out. p -- and the other cuts coming up because of what we did with being able to negotiate with medicare, estimated we are going to save another $200 billion. for example, any of you know someone who is on medicare and also on a cancer drug. well guess what, they are paying right now sometimes 12, 14, $16,000 a year for the cancer drug. beginning this next january, the most any senior is going to have to pay is $3,500 for all of their drugs and beginning in 2025 -- in 2025, pay no more than $2,000 for all their drugs. [applause] by the way, that saves the government another $200 billion

because not paying out for all the drugs come forward and they come at a reasonable price. my budget also cuts tax loopholes. look, i don't have anything against wall street or hedge funds executive, but just pay your taxes, man. i'm serious. a lower tax rate than the middle class worker who works for them. no one earnings less than $400,000 will see a single penny increase in their taxes increase, not a single penny. and if you are making more than 400, well, start to pay your fair share. look, instead we are making the biggest corporation to begin to pay their fair share. just -- i'm not talking about 70% tax rates, for example, at least pay something. folks, let me ask you this. does anyone think we have a fair tax system in america? no, i'm being deadly earnest,

i'm not being a wise guy. in 2020 you got tired of hearing me say this. i pointed out there were 50 major corporations, 55 of the fortune 500 companies that pay 0 in federal income tax after having made $40 billion in profits. 40 billion. so we instituted and got passed a corporate minimum tax of 15%. well guess what, y'all are paying more than that. just 15%. and it paid for everything we did. look, i proposed a billionaire minimum tax. went from 760 i think the number was to around 1,000 billionaires in america. that's great if you want to be a billionaire, you can make it, i'm not one of these guys who say you shouldn't be able to do that, and if you want to be -- if you are a multi-millionaire, i'm not trying to say that can't happen. but at least pay something.

the average tax paid by the thousand billionaires in america, average tax paid is 8%, eight. no billionaire should be paying a lower tax rate than a school teacher or a firefighter. [applause] nothing radical about this. that's why my budget also fully funds the internal revenue service. and it's kind of interesting. republicans have been consistent for the last ten years, cutting the number of irs agents. i wonder why. so we now have legislation passed that's, in our budget, that says we are going to beef up the number of irs agents to thoroughly look at the taxes of billionaires in america. according to the congressional budget office, a bipartisan office, they estimate that just

that alone would raise another $200 billion a year. larry summers, not what you call a whacko liberal out there, right, former president of harvard, he says it's more like -- [cheering] [laughter] -- my kids went to penn would disagree, but that's ok. but i went to a great school, i had went to a state school, the university of delaware. but -- but all kidding aside, estimates it would raise another $400 billion a year, a year, and they still wouldn't be paying very much tax relative to their income to begin with. my budget also has some of the strongest anti-fraud proposals ever. you may remember when we had the legislation to help deal with the pandemic, what trump used to keep doing is cutting the number of inspectors general to find out whether or not the money is actually not being wasted.

turns out several billions of dollars wasted, people were getting money they didn't need or didn't deserve and they were playing the system. well, you know, i think that we should have inspectors general again looking at what in fact we are spending and whether it's going where it's supposed to go. tripling anti-fraud strike forces to prosecute pandemic fraudster and seize back billions in stolen funds we have not back yet. estimated for every $10, every $1 we spend in hiring these folks it will save $10. would you rather continue the subsidy of $30 billion to bill oil or to veterans.

rather cut big pharma or cut healthcare for americans. real world choices at stake literally. i ran for president to see to it that ordinary folks got an even shake. i was raised in a family that was -- we were not poor, typical middle class family. we lived in a three bedroom split level home in a housing development that was a nice area, that was when they were developing suburbia, with four kids and a grandpop living with us. i look back on it and wonder how thin the walls were for my mom and dad, but any rate -- but the truth of the matter is, you know, my dad did fine. i guess by the time he retired he managed an automobile dealership, he was probably making equivalent of $20,000 a year, would be like 60, 70, 80, i don't know what it would be. but my point is, that i thought -- i've always thought the middle class folks were

getting the short end of things. i think the trickle down economy, not much ever trickled down on my dad's table that i can recall, and so when i ran and my whole career as a senator was making sure middle class folks get an even shot. i believe we should grow the economy from the middle out and the bottom out, not the top down. wealthy will still do very well. [applause] because when the middle class does well, the poor have a ladder up and the wealthy do well. that's fine, we all do well. we made enormous progress. over the past two years, 12.7 million new jobs, more than ever in that period of time. including 800,000 manufacturing jobs. >> john: well, he's ventured well off policy and into a campaign speech, we will discuss what he's been saying so far and

sandra, there is obviously and the limit save grow act a line in there that caps spending at 2022 levels and only increases by 1% per year for the next decade. and the president is just extrapolating all of these potential cuts from that, basically making it up as he goes along. now you can say there is probably evidence to suggest this could happen, but he's saying it's going to happen and nothing in this act that says it's going to happen. >> sandra: a lot of those claims need to be fact checked. some of them are patently false and not part of the gop plan. we have peter doocy coming up, larry kudlow on set and marc thiessen as well. >> john: fact checking, and peter doocy is sharpening his pencil at the white house with the latest. >> no pencil, just a pen i stole from a hotel at some point. we were talking about 800,000 plus manufacturing jobs created, that's not exactly right.

what has happened is that all the manufacturing jobs that were lost during the pandemic have been added back and then there have been about 206,000 created under the president. so, that was off by a magnitude of about four. and to the point that he's making about republicans calling for cuts to veterans benefits that, is something republicans explicitly say they are not trying to do, but the white house, with that script they gave president biden, is taking advantage of vagueness in the republican proposal right now, because they are saying well, if they are not going to touch defense spending they have to get to the 2022 numbers they have to cut from somewhere and does not say they are going to cut veterans benefits so must be something like that. something else president biden said, kind of a nice moment off the top where he was saluting the republican who represents

that district, mike lawler for being a republican, the kind of republican that existed when he was in the senate, that he would like to work with. he said about lawler, he's not one of those maga republican extreme types. but, on april 30th, the potus twitter account lumped lawler in with a little picture of him with maga republicans that they said he were trying to cut veterans benefits. so, that's different. john. >> john: and lawler was not the only republican that he lumped in there as well. 217 republicans he claim were maga republicans. so, one day it's one thing, and another day it's quite another thing. we have kind of gotten used to that. peter doocy with some fact checking from the white house. thank you. sandra. >> sandra: larry kudlow is here as we continue to dig into what we heard from the president. amazing and lovely to sit with you through those remarks. but you could barely hold yourself back at points, larry.

some of the take aways here, and went after maga republicans many times, the extremists on the right, they have taken control of the house, said the president, he made big and bold claims off the very top the gop plan will cut veterans benefits, that it will cut away from federal law enforcement officers, there will be millions of job losses. this will shut down air traffic control, recession will ensue. not your father's republican party said the president. >> larry: it's all campaign blarney. john and peter are both right challenging this stuff. we used to call it the washington monument syndrome, you don't want to cut anything. you take the worst case possible. the fact is the gop plan doesn't cut spending. it slows the growth of spending. it puts a speed limibecause bid

$6 trillion in two years, and even this year, over, we are 40n above a year ago. have about a $2 trillion deficit this year, what the numbers are saying. so it's an outrage. biden has not cut anything, and all these -- look, if you go into the negotiation, they are meeting right now, the staffs of the key players, so-called four corners are meeting as we talk. they are going to walk through what a speed limit looks like. there is no appropriations yet, we don't know how the divisions are going to be account by account. they are looking at the major topics, for example, fy22 baseline, that would save $130 billion this year. we need to save that money. those are not cuts, can i just emphasize that, these are slow-downs in the rate of growth. after what we have gone through

between covid emergency spending and biden spending, we need to slow down spending and debt creation. that's what kevin mccarthy and the gop is doing. maga, maga, that's just anti-trump stuff, it has no meaning whatsoever. john was right about veterans. we don't know anything about that because the appropriation has not allocated yet. there is going to be -- >> sandra: you and both john said that. >> john: here i am. >> larry: look, if we can't slow spending down, it's -- it's been growing at 8 to 10% for years. during covid it grew even more than that. we did create a lot of debt. trump created a lot of debt, biden created a lot of debt. the problem is, mr. biden then went and increased it in 21 and 22 when we didn't need it. and that was the source of the inflation. and that's a very important point. inflation is still running over 5%, the economy grew at 1.1% in the first quarter of this year,

the last five quarters, 15 months, the u.s. economy has grown at 0.9% with 6.5% inflation rate. that is failure of policy. why? because they spend too much. the other point i want to make, i always do this, because unfortunately mr. biden, presidents don't lie, i'll say it's an untruth or cognitive dissidents, the trump tax cuts, biggest beneficiary were middle class, blue collar, working folks and lower middle class. those are facts from the joint tax committee, from the congressional budget office, biden has been wrong, he's gotten a lifetime ten -- and more revenues not less and the sum total of mr. biden's so-called $2.7 trillion of savings in his budget, that comes from repealing the trump

tax cuts, which would be devastating to this economy. the corporate tax cuts worked, the individual tax cuts worked, you repeal all those taxes and i will tell you you will see an incredible downward spiral in the economy the likes of which we have not seen in probably 4, 5, 6 decades. you don't want to repeal them. >> john: let me come back if i could to this idea of cuts, and way back in my checkered past to when i covered the waning days of the clinton administration, he wanted to slow the growth of medicare to a person all of us in the press corps said oh, you are going to cut medicare and the white house said no, no, no, not cut it, just slow the growth. but if you slow the growth of a program less than what the cost of inflation is, that's in effect a cut. so if you are looking at keeping 2024 spending to 2022 and limiting increases to 1% over a decade, meanwhile his inflation continues to tick up and cost

everybody more money, that's going to cut some programs. so, the president is just out there extrapolating, but when you take a look at this limit save grow act, if it were to become law, over time, many programs would experience some sort of cut. >> look, john, if you grow the economy at 3, 4, 5%, you don't need that kind of spending. more -- let's say, for example, they have work requirements in the mccarthy plan. 80% of the country is in favor of work requirements for able-bodied people without kids, ok. if they come back into the economy and if the economy creates greater growth opportunities, then you do not need that kind of spending. the whole point about the clinton-gingrinch years, when people went back to work and became productive, then they pay taxes at lower tax rates. so budget went into surplus. that's so important.

the growth element here is it's not just inflation, it's how much you grow. now the presumption is i'm going to presume the inflation rate does in fact come down as the federal reserve says. so i don't think it's necessary. and again, all these charges, these are like the worst case washington monument is going to fall and stuff like that. the appropriators have not appropriated yet. and defense may be part of the negotiations, so it's just -- it's just very important. but let me just say one last thing, let me say one last thing. >> john: i don't buy that for a second. >> larry: no, no, despite biden's blarney, he's giving a political speech, ok, fine. the fact is, the more important thing is the meeting yesterday produced two decisions that i think lead to negotiations that there's a way out. first of all, they are going to have staff discussions. this is exactly how this happened, i went through it in

2019, the treasury secretary was the lead and we were all his deputies. negotiations at the staff level, very important. and number two, they are going to come back on friday. so they scheduled a second meeting. so this is a change and i want to say it's a positive change. now, the negotiations are going to be arguous and difficult, i get that, but the fact is they are now moving in the right direction, and i'm surprised biden's playing that down, i don't understand the politics of that. >> sandra: he just concluded his speech and walked off the stage. >> larry: he has a 36% approval rating. i would think he would want to do something right. i mean -- maybe not. >> sandra: maybe this will get done. larry, by the way, thanks so much for taking the phone call and jumping on set with us. appreciate you reacting in realtime to the president's speech. and just in to us, mitch mcconnell just spoke live on capitol hill, and he says an agreement will be reached. this is what we just heard from mcconnell a moment ago. >> negotiating partners

understand default is not an option. and that's why we always ultimately settle on some agreement. that has happened every time in the past and it will happen again this time. there has to be an agreement between the speaker and the president and there will be. >> sandra: so there will be a deal reached, says mitch mcconnell, an agreement will be reached by president biden and kevin mccarthy and the country will not default. that has yet to be seen, but a vote of confidence from mcconnell. thanks. >> john: on that note, marc thiessen, senior fellow at the american enterprise institute and fox news contributor. you and i were talking about this the other day, there's not a chance in hell that mccarthy is going to be the one that tips the united states into default, and all of this hand ringing and pearl clutching is so much politics because it's not going to happen. >> no, the only way biden loses this is if he does not negotiate. he shouldn't have to negotiate

if he was competent. he just said the maga republicans have taken over the house. why didn't he raise the debt limit before the maga republicans took over the house? you know, he -- before january he controlled the white house, the house and the senate, he's passed trillions of dollars in spending using budget reconciliation bills with democrat votes alone, he could have passed it in a budget reconciliation bill, he could have passed it as part of the inflation reduction act. why didn't he do that? answer, politics. they didn't want to own it. if you raise the debt limit you have to put a number on it didn't want to go into the midterm elections with them saying that, and he did not want to negotiate with manchin and sinema, what if it failed because democrats could not raise the debt limit so he wanted to make republicans own the debt limit increase and so this is an entirely manufactured crisis, self-inflicted crisis he could have solved by doing this

a few months ago. >> sandra: mark, thanks for joining us again. a lot of this perhaps this white house setting the, laying the ground work for blaming the republican party for the economy that we see today. i mean, a lot of the references from the president a few moments ago in his speech were your credit card bills are going to go up, interest rates are going to go up, recession will ensue -- those things are happening right now, mark. >> bingo, sandra. hit the nail on the head. it's what about for them. 75% of the americans say the economy is bad and getting worse, despite biden saying everything is fine and they blame him. if they can turn the blame on to republicans and say, and give them some ownership of it, he's in a strong negotiating position. the republicans do not want to own the economy, do not want to turn the country to the debt limit crisis. as long as he has a reasonable

demand most will accept and a reasonable compromise, republicans will have to take it because they do not want to take responsibility from the democrats for what americans consider to be a disastrous economy. >> john: marc does not mind hanging out, we have mini coca-cola and sprite in the green room. he gets his sugar high from that. take a look at what the debt is now, $31.75 trillion, headed quickly to $32 trillion, in past debt limit increases we were at 8, we were at 10, we were at 17 -- we are $32 trillion, for pete sake. has -- have we reached the point where the rubber meets the road and you can't just say ok, we are going to lift it to $33.5 trillion now. we have to cut spending somewhere or this thing that's already out of control -- we are past gdp the first time since world war ii. >> we are not close to that point. >> you have to do something

about spending. >> we are not close to that point. and this agreement will not put a dent in that. what drives our debt, entitlements. it's social security and medicare are the primary things, off the table. biden -- in the speech took credit for getting republicans to spontaneously come around and stop wanting to cut social security and medicare. donald trump is attacking ron desantis for wanting to cut social security and medicare. not a part wants to take ownership of the entitlement crisis and then take defense off the table because we are the start of a new cold war with china. we are behind china in terms of our defense spending. we have to spend enough to deter and prevent a war with china. what does that leave? it leaves discretionary spending, a handful of stuff he's saying is going to be a disaster so what's left to cut. not a single party in washington in favor of fiscal responsibility. the republicans want to spend

less than the democrats do, but no party in washington cares about fiscal responsibility. >> john: with that happy thought, you can get another coke. >> sandra: now to this fox news alert, as the news continues out of islip, new york, the press is gathering there, representative george santos has pled not guilty to charges alleging fraud, theft at the heart of his campaign. let's see -- we know now that santos, he's pleading not guilty to the charges alleging fraud. this just out of new york where we found our own alexis mcadams, alexis, what are we learning? >> hi, sandra. waiting to see if congressman george santos is going to walk out of the federal courthouse behind me, he was in front of a judge, he pled not guilty, he will be released tonight on a

$500,000 bond. his next court appearance will be later in june. we know, though, sandra, that congressman george santos has lied about pretty much everything. his religion, where he went to school, sports he said he played in college and now finding out that he also lied about financial crimes that he's being accused of. so he was hit with the 13 count indictment inside the federal courthouse, in side the courtroom a short time ago, he did not have handcuffs on, he had khakis on and a vest with his legal team. he was only arrested earlier this morning, sandra, and prosecutors tell us this new york congressman used his political contributions to line his own pockets, illegally apply for unemployment benefits during the pandemic when so many other people needed the money and lied to the house of representatives to name a few, also according to prosecutors, something we are just looking into a little bit ago, he spent thousands of dollars according to prosecutors on the solicited funds he got from voters here when he was

running for election and spent it on personal expenses and luxury designer clothing and then some credit card payments that say he was quite behind on. we are waiting to see if the congressman walks out, what will he have to say. he said a short time ago when he was on fox business the other month, sandra, he is not going to sit in the back of the room. he's going to run for re-election and not going to be quiet. lots of republicans and democrats calling on him to resign and a lot of people looking to speaker kevin mccarthy to make sure that he is no longer a member of congress. it's not up to the speaker at this time, and history shows expulsion here is pretty unlikely, but both sides of the aisle are watching this closely, sandra. >> sandra: as we all know, fabricating his life story as you just detailed, alexis, he's pleaded not guilty to the charges that he duped donors, stole from the campaign, lied to congress about being a millionaire all while cheating to collect unemployment benefits he did not deserve. alexis, it would indicate by the

crowd gathering there we could see george santos at any moment now. are you getting indication he might talk to the cameras? >> we are hoping he will talk to the cameras. try to get some questions in on exactly what his next steps are here, he's remained pretty confident he can continue to do the job, he says he wants to do the job and wants to represent the people here on long island. but many people out here gathering to watch this don't really want him to represent them any longer. see how it plays out. >> sandra: keep us posted. holler at us and we'll go back live if he does address the cameras. >> you have some soldiers and airmen serving in their back yard, whether it's el paso or here in the rgv. our heart is our mission and do our best for the people of texas. >> john: the national guard a short time ago giving an update on the dire situation at the

southern border, brand-new video of the texas national guard arriving in full force and migrants departing from el paso. united states now has set a new record in daily apprehensions. more than 10,000 crossed illegally yesterday. expected to keep going up from here with title 42 ending. >> sandra: the epicenter may be texas, but chicago has now declared a state of emergency as migrants are sleeping and filling the police stations there. and in new york, new york is so overwhelmed setting up shelters in some of the cities most iconic buildings and hotels. americans across the nation say they are fed up. >> you let this go on, it's going to get more, going to be more. >> drugs, trafficked kids, trafficked women, it's a nightmare. >> bringing them into the city

when you are already overcrowded, an uphill battle. >> john: and on the west coast, we are starting to see crowds form on the other side of california's border with mexico. the fox team coverage with christina coleman live in los angeles on the expected surge of drug smuggling. but first william just got back from visiting a migrant shelter in tijuana. william, what have you been seeing? >> well, john, mexican officials tell me they are afraid things are going to spin out of control in the next few days. on this side, of course they may overwhelm the ports of entry. over here i am told the border patrol is out of agents, and the processing centers are full, why you see this. i've never seen this before. you have 700 migrants who are camped out between the primary and secondary fence, that means that dozens of groups and families have used a ladder to scale the first fence erected by

president bush in 2004 but could not get past the second higher fence, and they are now waiting for cbp to open the gate and start processing them in small groups. now check this out. migrants are actually ordering doordash and food deliveries on the mexican side to get by until we take custody. also they believe as the migrants you see here inside this shelter, that the u.s. is obligated to hear their asylum claims when title 42 drops on thursday night. in tijuana, mexico's second largest city, you have 30 shelters, all of them are packed, overflowing, 16 to 20,000 migrants crammed into tents and bunks and sharing meals, growing frustrated with the app they are required to use. >> the app, get an appointment in three days. i'm like i'm doing the same process and just -- i just can't

get an appointment. >> so now in san diego, u.s. is processing about 200 asylum claims a day, that is nowhere near enough, which is why come friday officials fear the migrants will rush the border, overwhelm agents, as they arrive in the city unable to house them. >> the process speeding up in the last 10, 12 days, and more than 250 people starting to cross, i heard that more people are going to start crossing through the cbp and take away title 42. >> so john, here is the critical question. pictures speak louder than words, right. and if the u.s. plays hard ball and enforces title 8 and people are removed to their home country by airplane, that could have a deterrent effect. however, if the border patrol and ice are overwhelmed and begin catch and release, or they

treat the asylum claims approving most of them, that sends an entirely different message of catch and release and then you'll have more people coming. john. >> john: william, a great look at the pressures on the mexico side of the border as title 42 is about to come off. >> sandra: even a surge in drug smuggling. it is trending up. dea in los angeles, diseasing 40 million doses of fentanyl over the past year, up more than double the year before. christina coleman live in los angeles. how are prosecutors ramping up efforts to lock up these deadly fentanyl dealers? >> hi, sandra. -- throughout the los angeles area announced a dozen new federal indictments involving alleged drug dealers. authorities across the region

say they are collaborating the efforts -- [inaudible] >> sandra: christina, we are having a bit of a problem with the microphone, could be a breeze perhaps. we will check back in with you on that. thank you so much. john. >> john: definitely technical difficulties. meantime, henry cuellar, congressman, thank you for coming on again today. so, each of the past two days we are told that 10,000 people crossed illegally into the united states. that is a new record. what do you expect is going to happen on friday after title 42 goes off? >> yes, and you are right. the numbers, those are large numbers. i get the daily total from border patrol to see what's coming in, and it's been increasing and when you get 10,000 people a day, a couple

things are going to happen. border patrol right now, they are at over 124% average over capacity, over capacity, almost every border sector except for west texas is over capacity and if the ngos and the border communities cannot take care of those folks and they are over capacity, they are going to start doing street releases and again, i've been told they have been instructed to go to street releases if they have to. that image, it's a powerful image is not good because that means more and more people are going to come in. the numbers i've seen, estimates, over 150,000 people on the northern border states, the mexican border states. if you include the ones entering the pipelines, the ones in central america, you've got hundreds of thousands of people that are heading to our border and if we don't put any consequences, which means deport people, then this number is

going to keep increasing. >> john: we are also hearing people may be released into the united states without being first entered into the system, given a notice to appear but no way to track them. the city of el paso is already under a state of emergency, you can imagine what will happen. mayorkas, the dhs secretary, again this morning insisted that the administration is prepared to deal with the end of title 42. do you have faith, congressman, that he actually has a plan that will work? >> you know, i surely hope that the secretary is successful and i want to be helpful to him. but what i'm seeing and what i'm hearing, it's -- they are going to get overwhelmed. border patrol is going to get overwhelmed and putting people on the streets and i think they say they are going to be paroled, but still in many ways they are going out on the honor system, and the powerful image

of people coming in and not going back and being returned is just going to become a bigger magnet for more people coming in. so again, it's -- the way i look at it, you can have the asylum officers, they say if they go or go back, and appeal that, an immigration judge, we have to get the immigration judges, with all due respect, out of their comfort of their zones and they have to hear the cases, they have seven days to hear the cases and the decisions are not appealable. so the immigration judges can play an important role here. you have to have the asylum officers have the judges hear those cases within seven days like they are supposed to, and then send them back and once they start sending people back, because most people are not going to be granted asylum. 100 people ask for asylum, 88 to

90% are rejected. so, why are we letting 100% of the people when they are not supposed to be coming in in the first place. >> john: the former mayor of el paso said rather than sending down active duty military to deal with the administrative or transportation functions, send down a whole bunch of immigration judges to adjudicate the cases. a bit of what the dhs secretary said about the plan. >> our plan will deliver results but it will take time for those results to be fully realized. our current situation is the outcome of congress leaving a broken, outdated immigration system in place for over two decades. it is also the result of congress's decision not to provide us with the resources we need. >> john: a couple of things there. he said this is going to take time. people are saying we don't have time. 5 million people have come into the country illegally since president biden became president. the other thing is, he says it's

up to congress. congress has to fix this. during the last administration, you might have liked the policy or not liked the policy, but illegal immigration is -- was way down from where we are now. is there a way to do this, congressman, without congress enacting new laws? >> two things. yes, i wish we would have comprehensive immigration reform but mention two things. one, president obama did not use title 42 at all. he used title 8 and did expedited removals and he used the current law that we have on the books very effectively, very efficiently without using even title 42. so you can use title 8 to do your work. number one. number two, in the last two years since the trump administration, we actually have added $2.4 billion to cbp. i emphasize, $2.4 billion. that's over 15% increase in

funding of cbp, so we have added resources, we added, you know, the current law is still there, so what we need to have is the fortitude to make sure we enforce the law and have images, the power of the image of people going back because again, most of the folks, whether it's finding a new job or finding a job or getting away from property or getting away from crime, all those reasons don't count under the current asylum law. it's got to be persecution by the state. so we follow the law and follow what secretary jay johnson did back 2014 and those years, you have the tools to get the job done. so we have increased funding, but you have to have the right policies and the fortitude to do what the law calls for. >> john: your 28th congressional district is in the thick of things, combination of the rio grande valley and the laredo

sectors. we wish you and your constituents well as we see what lies ahead in the coming hours. thank you for joining us. appreciate it. >> sandra: and more and more scenes evolving across the country, involving migrants coast to coast this is happening, not just in border towns. scenes like this in chicago, screen left. big cities are reaching a tipping point and the big apple, some of the city's most iconic hotels will be housing migrants, and chicago, migrants are sleeping in police stations. the outgoing mayor, lori lightfoot in chicago, has now declared a state of emergency because of the migrant crisis happening there. raymond lopez is a chicago alderman and joining us, and here in new york, charlie gasparino. welcome to both of you. in chicago, alderman lopez, it's remarkable to see the police stations all over the city now filled with migrants, many of them according to our reports are showing up, they need medical treatment, vomiting,

sick, many are families, they have children. but lori lightfoot, the well-known democrat who was leading that city for quite some time, she's raising her hand and saying we cannot take any more. she's declaring a state of emergency. what happens next for that city? >> you know, sandra, that's a very good question because several months ago when the mayor and her socialist allies were saying we need to have an unchecked welcoming city with no restrictions, they were applauding themselves on creating a sanctuary on the lake and now we are at a breaking point, spending $20 million a month to humanely house and assist the individuals who have come here from the borders. and as you see, the police stations are overrun, shuffling them around, district to district, our officers are being exposed to various health ailments that the individuals are bringing with them, their children are sleeping on floors and in bathrooms, and it's just awful. and the mayor says well, call in

the national guard or good luck to you guys, i'm leaving in five days, and that's a huge disservice to the city of chicago and another example of her failed leadership and unwillingness to execute anything beyond grabbing a headline. >> sandra: and to be clear, that's a mayor, lightfoot, who declared that a sanctuary city and said we welcome migrants with open arms. i guess you welcome them until you don't have any more room. charlie, similar in new york, the roosevelt hotel will be taking in migrants here in midtown manhattan, near j.p. morgan, they say they are struggling to get people back to work in the city, near grand central station, people are in lines around the blocks in some of the places trying to get food? >> that map says it all. i got the tip yesterday, checked it out, ironic and interesting the city did not tout this. this thing was broken by the pakistani english newspapers. because the government of pakistan owns the roosevelt

hotel. it was broken by them, and some business people in the area, you know, wall street firms, they contacted me yesterday and said that hotel, which has remained dormant through covid, could be a place where scores and scores of migrants, illegal immigrants, could be housed. and here is the one problem that i think mayor adams would attest to, and why some of his policies are so bizarre. he'll say the right thing but actions aren't. he says he's for law and order, but you know, alvin bragg still is allowed to run around and prosecute men that stop, you know, violent felons from intimidating and harassing people and he says he wants people back in the office five days a week, sandra, and then he thinks about putting a migrant hotel in the middle of one of the busiest areas of midtown manhattan. it is so insane, and that you know, i can't get my hands

around it. blackstone, the big private equity firm getting guff for hiring children below 18, illegals, for serious jobs. those illegals come over as juveniles, below 18, undocumented minors and then get documents that say they are over 18, and then they can work. >> sandra: it's a huge problem. >> and e-verify does not catch them. the proven method does not catch them. it's way out of control. >> sandra: lightfoot in her own words blaming the governor of texas for the problems in her city at a news conference yesterday. >> yes, of course we are a welcoming city and will always do what is right by our immigrant and refugee communities. we have reached a breaking point in response to the humanitarian crisis, primarily manufactured by him for cynical political

purposes. >> sandra: she's blaming governor abbott of texas for what's happening but said we are a sanctuary city, we welcome all migrants so he sent them there, and that's the case. new york city mayor, to charlie's point, a statement on the housing asylum seekers saying we have reached our limit of new shelters that we can open right now, and we currently have no other option but to temporarily house recent arrivals in gyms, and we have been saying for a year we need federal and state support to manage the crisis. philadelphia, they are still saying we welcome the latest migrant bus, see when there is a reversal there. the other cities said that, and they are saying we can't take anymore, raymond, like your city, chicago. >> everyone wants to be welcoming until you actually yd we have seen that time and time again by the major cities run by my party, unfortunately. and great if ne stood up in 20 years and said let's fix the issue that causes this to happen in the first place. you can blame a governor on the

border state for being fed up, we saw the democratic congressman saying you have to have the fortitude to address the law as it's laid out in front of you, but they are simply trying to continue to gas light for political purposes and let's be clear, everyone on both sides of the aisle are using the individuals as pawns in a game. no one wants to -- >> with all due respect, why should texas bear the burden for the entire immigration policies of the biden administration? and you know, i know, you know, these are -- i get that some of the criticism of ron desantis, and governor abbott, but what it really comes down to, dollars to do nuts, it's a federal problem. democrats are not controlling the border and these are democrat run cities trying to blame the mess on republican governors. it's one of the dumbest things i've heard of it.

good there are thinkers like you that say the opposite. >> blame goes to washington, d.c. and i think both parties can agree on that. >> not both parties fault, though. >> raymond, we heard from cuellar, he's dealing with it on the border in texas. he's got to answer to a the lo of people living through the crisis. but are you hearing from more and more democrats all over the country? >> i think what you are seeing is there are many people in the democratic party and republican party who want a common sense solution to addressing the individuals here. >> the democratic parties wants as much immigration as possible. >> we continue to see as a manipulation of the asylum process where all these individuals are allowed to come into this country and distribute throughout however they are distributed. >> progressive wing of the democratic party controls this debate on the democratic side as they control the debate about other issues like mental health and why you can't incarcerate people obviously sick. that's true, they control it in a way that you -- you will never

stop the asylum seekers from coming over. >> don't have a middle ground -- >> sandra: obviously where the country is right now a heated debate and people are dealing with it coast to coast, and raymond lopez, a democrat identifying the policies causing this, be interested to have the white house acknowledge that, but right now we are expecting to see a massive surge over the border, title 42, you see the count down clock, one day to go here, and charlie, great to have you here and thanks for your reporting on that. alderman, we'll have you back soon. thank you. >> john: fox news alert, more breaking news, back and forth between israel and gaza, new explosions over gaza, go to trey yingst in tel aviv. trey, what are we looking at? >> john, we are close to the israel gaza border right now, as explosions continue, more rockets being fired from the southern, central and northern part of the gaza strip. some intercepted by the israel

missile defense system, the iron dome, but others impacting territory in a border community and also one of the southern israeli cities, at least one person was injured. tonight the israelis are responding to the rocket fire but take a look at what the scene was like just a few hours ago. right now more rockets are being fired, you can hear the explosions behind me as the iron dome intercepts this new fire. there are reports from inside gaza that the israeli military is conducting roof knock strikes. strikes used to warn palestinian families to evacuate homes before they are targeted with airstrikes. indication the israelis will

continue the operation and campaigns inside gaza. how does this escalate tonight and whether or not hamas, the group in control of gaza will get involved in the fighting. so far, only the second largest faction inside gaza, islamic jihad. >> john: thank you, trey. and sandra, it's a rolicking two hours, a lot of breaking news and a lot to digest over the next 24 hours and change as we look ahead to title 42 coming off at 11:59 tomorrow night. what's going to happen after that. >> sandra: full coverage of that when it happens and leading up to it, just amazing drone footage we continue to have there out of texas. our team bringing the pictures of it happening in realtime, john, and scenes like this, we have become all too familiar with, we'll see what happens. the guard has been deployed, we heard from the brigadier general earlier giving an update on the deployments for some of the soldiers, this is their back

yard. >> john: yeah, they have the rapid reaction force there, we also saw a national guard from texas with concertina wire along the banks of the rio grande, not allowing people who have crossed the river to come up over the bank and into the united states. a subject of some controversy i would believe at the federal level. >> sandra: and see if we get a debt deal. thanks for joining us, i'm sandra smith. >> john: they'll do it at some >> martha: thanks. thousands amass at our border as the clock ticks. title 42 will run out at midnight. it is the covid measure that has expelled millions in the past three years and still an estimated three million have added to our numbers here in the united states during that time period. think about what that will mean. it could mean double those kinds of numbers. it's about to be a very good stretch for the drug cartels.