>> sandra: american's whose loved ones died from covid in nursing homes may finally get some answers, are but that won't do much to ease the pain they say they still feel each and every day. >> only after our belongings of our loved ones were handed to us, either in trash bags or in boxes with our parents' name, and our questions started to bubble, that's when we realized. >> john: those affected by the tragedy getting to say their peace at a house hearing today

and our own janice dean was among them. she called out andrew cuomo. his orders led to more dying. >> there was no sympathy, i don't think he met with families. he just decided to write a book talking about how great a leader he was. >> sandra: we will hear more of that as well from the group of sorority sisters suing for their safety. they say they live in fear after they caught a biological male sister peeping on them in their own home. caitlyn jenner will react in moments. and welcome back as "america reports" rolls into hour two. it is a delight to be here in washington with you, john. i'm sandra submit. >> john: i'm john roberts. and we'll talk more about the race -- all that and more coming up, but we start with the fox news alert on the debt threat

and warnings it could play right into china's hands. >> mr. president. >> mr. president! when will you meet with president xi? >> sandra: and with a wave of his hand, president biden is off to the g7 meeting in japan with the one key question still unanswered, when will president biden meet with chinese president xi. >> john: it has now been months since the chinese spycraft flew over the united states and he has not spoken with his chinese counterpart or met with him, but xi jinping has kept a busy schedule, even travelling to moscow to meet with vladimir putin. we expect president biden will rally allies when it comes to china and russia but the debt crisis leaving doubt whether or not he can do it. >> how can he rally the world if he can't rally lawmakers here in

washington. >> these leaders, leaders of democracies, they understand and they want, they respect american leadership on the world stage. and they know that our ability to pay our debts is a key part of u.s. credibility and leadership around the world. >> john: so the white house says nothing to see here, world leaders, understand president biden has a crisis at home. as a result the president is cancelling the back half of that trip to australia and new guinea. >> sandra: and he will not go to the small nation, both of those visits were critical to counter chinese's influence in the pacific. lindsey graham says the white house needs to get tougher and fast. >> this idea that we have a strong china policy is a bunch

of crap. it's not the budget will deter china, it's our will to take on people like china. so i think we are in a real world of hurt. >> sandra: all new at 2:00, fox team coverage on the high stakes strip on the world stage and jacqui heinrich, jen griffin, and greg palkot is live in london for us. all right, jacqui, kick things off for us. >> jacqui: sandra, the president's critics are framing the cancellation of the back half of this trip as evidence that the u.s. is an unreliable ally and bogged down in domestic problems and cannot be relied upon by our allies and partners across the world. the u.s. is framing the cancellation as a postponement but there are real implications for the quad summit meeting in australia, now has to be shifted to the sidelines of the g7, and

a security agreement was coming together to allow the u.s. to have military access to that area in exchange for investments, billions of dollars in infrastructure. something china is already doing there at a large scale as part of their belt and road initiative, a lot of mining and infrastructure investments. part of the u.s. objective here is to get allies and partners in southeast asia and to look at the u.s. as a more reliable partner and this cancellation is really back pedalling on all of that effort. there is an effort to frame the cancellation as something that has to be done in order to maintain the u.s. credibility. we can't default on our financial obligations or we won't be viewed as a good partner but they are having to do clean-up and framing how people understand the president's decision here, sandra. >> john: and a lot of

disappointment in papau, new guinea, and how biden is trying to rally the allies against china and the build-up of the military, aggressive actions in the south china sea, the white house says yes, we are doing that but the same time let's not forget that all of these nations of the g7 have all got their individual relationships with china. i mean, take a look at emmanuel macron, he went to beijing trying to get china to buy a lot of air bus airliners and ended up getting played by xi jinping. so, everybody's got deals that they have going with china, they know that they can get things for pennies on the dollar from china and know how big the chinese market is. how do you maintain unity among the g7 while the same time the nations are cutting their own deals? >> that's the key thing, john. because all the nations are approaching beijing on their own terms, and one of the key, key

issues is taiwan and taiwan remains a central key issue between the united states and china. yesterday we heard a spokesman saying beijing would smash any form of taiwan independence, the involvement between the u.s. and taiwan is wrong and dangerous. remember, china claims the self-governing democratic island as its own and recently months triggered by meetings between u.s. lawmakers and the president of taiwan, china has run massive drills and exercises, mocking invasions, and blockades, and the cia director william burns said in four years, 2027, china could be set to invade taiwan and time is very crucial. it will be a topic, by the way, john, at the g7 meeting that biden will be attending, but yes, knocking off the quad

meeting, symbolically going to australia is key, and papau, new guinea, would have been important, too. symbolism sends signals to beijing, john. >> sandra: jen griffin, military leaders are warning congress that a default could hurt military competition and our defense for this country. here is some of what we have heard so far on that. >> well, sandra, firefighters on capitol hill during the appropriations, senate appropriations committee hearing where defense secretary austin basically talked about how china's bullying behavior in asia really has their attention here at the pentagon, but basically all of this talk of the debt and defaulting on the debt and possibly not raising the debt limit, that has pushed off a very key set of negotiations on the hill and that is for the pentagon to have

a budget on time. and without a budget on time, secretary austin pointed out all of the things that are going to be delayed now if there is a continuing resolution in the fall and there's not a budget passed, you won't be able to make the nuclear submarines, delayed by years, needed in the pacific to counter china. you won't have the money to replace the presidential draw down, the weapons they want to send to taiwan. $400 million of weapons the administration wants to send to taiwan right away. they didn't do that if they don't know they have money to replace the weapons. so a lot at stake and fireworks yesterday during the hearing. >> sandra: and jen, here are the military leaders in their own words warning of the possible default. >> the budget, a number of items that are critical in our judgment to being able to effectively counter china's growing influence in virtually

every region of the world. >> our budget reflects our strategy. it would delay our ability to get the critical munitions that we need for ourselves and also to support our allies and partners as well. >> john: just some of what's at stake there, and jacqui heinrich, when we look at the fact the president is cancelling the back half the trip and both of those were very important meetings, a sign of how high the stakes are for him but if you look down pennsylvania avenue to the other end, to congress, the stakes are high for mccarthy as well because he's finally got himself into position where he is negotiating one-on-one with president biden, but if he gets a deal with president biden that he can't sell to the freedom caucus, that's going to make him politically vulnerable as well. >> i think that what this is really showing us is that china is a big factor for the u.s. no matter if you are looking at domestic issues or foreign

policy issues. the g7 is aimed at countering, the quad summit had a military factor there, now you are seeing both sides at home talk about spending in terms of china. you have the gop saying look, our debt is out of control, china owning our debt is a national security concern. you have the president and democrats saying we are not neglect to invest in country and let china take the lead. and senator patty murray said authoritarian countries are not debating whether they are going to default on obligations and wreck the economy, or making investments in themselves. it's a serious issue for both sides at home and abroad. when it comes to the debt limit talks, the president has given the reins to three deputies here to lead the negotiations from the white house perspective with the house speaker. they have already passed a bill

in the house. so really, now both of them have to do, figure out what each of them can still call a success to their respective bases and pass it off to the people and say you have to vote for this. we don't know yet where the roadblocks, the length -- this has to happen in short order and china, meantime, is going to be watching every second and using to their advantage any little misstep that makes the u.s. or its members of congress, white house or congress, look weaker than china. >> sandra: and that is a moving deadline. it can come a lot sooner than later, obviously, the forecast was august, and here we are looking at june now, and it's coming up quicker, we are in the rising interest rate environment, let's remind everybody. greg palkot, can you put a button on it, obviously, as we look at the rising china threat,

what's happening here at home with the debt ceiling negotiations? the president is on the trip, they all come together. >> sandra, it should be noted, too, the white house and washington, the biden administration is making its own moves to approach china. there have been back channel meetings with lower officials than president xi, they see they cannot completely seal off china, that they've got to engage with china wherever they can, whether it's on climate issues or even when it's on the war in ukraine. so there is a double game. it's not like the old cold war days where you could put the soviet union in a box and not deal with them. we have to deal with china. it's too important, there has to be involvement but some sting involved, too. china is doing a lot of bad stuff on their side of the world. sandra. >> sandra: thank you. >> john: we'll be watching it to

see what unfolds between now and sunday. >> sandra: going back to the military leaders warning of the consequences of defaulting and what it means for their strategy, our budget reflects strategies, blinken, would hurt us countering china's aggression, but the case -- they did not detail it for the american people. >> john: i think they were intentionally leaving it ambiguous, saying we want to hold spending at 2022, and then cap. >> sandra: as larry kudlow says, not cuts, but caps. >> john: they said they were not going to touch defense spending or vet spending, everything the democrats made up, extrapolated from the plan.

>> john: chicago, family, friends and colleagues say final good-byes to fallen chicago police officer ariana preston. the three-year veteran of the force was shot and killed while returning home from work nearly two weeks ago. let's bring in our senior correspondent mike tobin. it drives home chicago each and every day. >> i'll tell you something that drives the emotions, just started right now, when you hear the bagpipes playing. that is something that just unmistakeable is linked to police officers and the rank and file saluting the procession and presumably there it is, the body of officer ariana preston coming out draped in the chicago flag. each of those stars, one symbolizes fort dearborn, establishment of chicago.

>> john: let's listen in, mike, and get a sense of the respect paid to the young woman who died so tragically, taken from us so early.

[bagpipes playing]

as the casket containing the

remains of 24-year-old areanah preston being moved to the hearse for transportation to the cemetery where she will be buried. and difficult to hear the pipes playing "amazing grace" over the noise of the helicopter, but there on the ground, absolutely remembrance of the life of this young woman. retired nypd detective darren porcher. when you consider the circumstances of areanah preston's death, it's so tragic. you have four teenagers who according to prosecutors were on a crime spree looking to get money so they could have a barbecue and they just so callously took the life of this young woman. your thoughts? >> good afternoon, john. this is a travesty, not just to the police officer but the citizens of chicago. when we look to the testament of the failed policies under mayor lori lightfoot, how it manifests to the death of an innocent police officer merely there to

support and protect the citizens of the city of chicago. fortunately she's lost the last election but the same token, we have another progressive voted in and i think you are going to see a continuation of the same policies. what we are watching on live television is a hero officer that lost her life protecting people that she doesn't know, and these four individuals that killed her i hope that justice will prevail and put them in jail for the rest of their lives. >> sandra: those four teens have been charged with first-degree murder, and other felonies in connection with preston's killing, which has been ruled a line of duty death by the chicago police department as we see the scene play out there, a sea of blue in the city of chicago, to remind everybody as family, friends and colleagues say their final good-byes to the fallen police officer, 1:40 a.m. the day was may 6th, she was found with gunshot wounds near her home, for those who know the area, 8100 block of south

blackstone avenue, found by a fellow officer found, she was rushed from a squad car to the university of chicago medical center she did succumb to her wounds. to your point, darren, tragic for her, her family, loved ones, friends, to lose her and you take the bigger picture here and what is happening in that city, and it is sad for so many residents to see what is happening there and it sort of encapsulates that. >> you are absolutely right, and this is exponentially impacting on not just the city of chicago, but on the national level as it relates to these progressive policies that are rolled out with the anticipation and hopes to support the minority communities. it clearly doesn't work. what is the agenda we need? the agenda is very specific.

we need a posturing of law enforcement to ensure that citizens are safe from acts of violence as we are experiencing here. this is a uniformed police officer, granted she was off duty but the same token, she was still supporting and defending the citizens of that city of chicago. there are no -- there are no red lines in play in that city, and as a result, we have criminals that feel as if they can act with impunity. i don't think this is going to be the change status. i think that there's going to be a lot more of this happening moving forward, and my heart goes out to not just the officer, but the citizens of chicago because they are under siege based on the failed policies of their elected officials. >> john: you know, according to reports during her funeral at the trinity united church christ, the senior pastor there, reverend dr. otis moss, remembered her as a bright and

blazing start, honor a child of god, reminisce over the beauty of a baby girl. invoke her name and all she means, i say means, not meant, means, she is with us in memory and spirit and love and her work forever engraved on our hearts. she was supposed to receive her master's degree last weekend, walk across the stage and receive that, apparently her family received it for her. and this solemn and tragic occasion comes as we are in police week here in the nation, as defined by president john f. kennedy. yesterday was the, or monday rather was the peace officers memorial in washington, d.c., i drove past it on my way into work, and consider the peace officer's memorial and police week was designated by president kennedy, you wonder how far, darin, have some democratic

politicians got away from j.f.k.s pledge to back the blue in this nation? >> you know, john, this is a very interesting point. as you mentioned, this was, when we look at police week, this was something that was erected based on the preface by j.f.k., who was a democrat, but the progressive wing of the democratic party has hijacked moderates and so far left they don't have an understanding of the rubber that meets the road in the democratic cities. and look at the quantitative statistics, they experienced a high amount of crime in comparison to the republican-controlled districts, and it begs the question of it's simple math. one plus one equals two. understand you have to have police in a position of

forttification. i cannot understand how and why they don't get the message, but here this is on display a young police officer that lost her life based on senseless violence and we should all understand and coalesce this was one of our heroes we lost during police week. >> sandra: bringing back mike tobin from chicago as we watch the sea of blue and support for her after her death there in the city. her mother is quoted, she says the one thing i can say is i know that we gave our all and my baby is in a better place, and we are gonna get through this. mike, this is an amazing show of support for her and for those in blue. >> it certainly is, and keep in mind you don't just have chicago police officers here. as you look out over the sea of blue, some of them are wearing yellow ribbons and they are from the fifth district, and that was home to officer preston.

but you also see the illinois state police, a number of sheriff's deputies, and with the organization brotherhood of the fallen officers from as far away as texas, the officers presenting their arms as this moves ahead. officer preston will be taken to the lincoln cemetery in blue island, illinois, about eight miles from this location as things wrap up here at the trinity united church of christ. you've heard from the new mayor, brandon johnson, said let her death serve as an example of the root causes, getting to the root causes of the violence in this city. that speaks to the nature of what happened. keep in mind, the night of may 6th, the sixth victim in line in the violent crime spree the four individuals were embarking on. these were people with long reputations and long records that stretch back into their

juvenile years, i can tell you immediately when it happened, contacts let me know these guys were known criminal, and bad actors, and the legal process is just beginning. and as far as what you see here in the sign of mourning and respect from the chicago police, they have been through it recently. you have officer ella french, commander paul bauer, andre vasquez lasso who was killed here in chicago. so unfortunate reality here with the chicago police, you have an event like this, people say never again, but they have a big violence problem here in the city of chicago, and as they pay their respects, they know someone has to somehow get to the root causes of the violence. chicago just voted out a very progressive mayor, and voted in a mayor who promised to bring the progressive agenda to the entire nation. so that's our situation out

here, a very respectful ceremony here in which no ritual has been spared evident from the bagpipes and the honor guard firing the salute with the rifles into the air. john and sandra. >> john: you know, mike, every time something like this happens, and pointed out happens far too often. wonder if some sense can be made of this from good coming out of a tragedy like this. is there any sense in chicago the fact that brandon johnson has replaced mayor lori lightfoot as opposed to paul vallas who campaigned on anti-crime is the new mayor of chicago. is there any hope there that anything will actually change? >> well, certainly not a lot of optimism, and this is even before the death of officer preston. police were not encouraged that

brandon johnson had been elected and i think a lot of people thought when it ended up a run-off between paul and brandon, having just voted out by very large margin, lori lightfoot, did not have a good relation with laefrment, and people thought paul would get right in, and underestimated the power of the teachers' union, and they backed brandon johnson, and others backed brandon johnson, it propelled him to victory. and you can see the officers have just been stood down, in relaxed stance, if you will, and heading on to the next location, john and sandra. >> sandra: mike tobin, if you could stand by, we are going to bring darin porcher back in, looks like we are nearing the end of the ceremony and the good-bye to the young woman who

lost her life there so senselessly. darin, obviously a big message is being sent that those in blue support those in blue. will there be any change with this new mayor, and will the police force there, so badly needed with crime spiking, get any more support? >> sandra, unfortunately with johnson we have lori lightfoot 2.0. i think you are going to have the same progressive policies that left the lightfoot administration and they are going to extend to the johnson administration. vallas was my candidate of choice, although i live in new york city, i was hopeful there can be a revolution in the trajectory of crime reduction in the city of chicago, i want didn't happen. unfortunately i've been to many of these funerals as it relates to police officers that have lost their lives while answering the call of duty. here in the city of chicago it's the same.

it's been a consistent narrative of failure to reduce crime and an increase in the amount of homicides. nothing is getting better, and as the commentator mentioned earlier, it was the teachers' union that backed johnson and put him over the top. i myself thought vallas was going to win in a landslide. unfortunately it didn't happen. the losers in the narrative are the residents of the city of chicago. more so specific to the minorities communities because they experience the greatest level of carnage and this is something that's going to continue until years on end until johnson is removed. >> sandra: darin porcher on that for us, as we continue to watch the scenes in chicago, aerial image of the final good-byes. darin, thank you for joining us. appreciate it. >> give us back our gym, we need

it for the kids. give us back our gym, we need it for the kids. >> we want our gym back, we want our gym back, we want our gym back, we want our gym back, we want our gym back. >> we want our gym back, we want our gym back, we want our gym back. >> john: chants of we want our gym back. parents outraged as new york city moves to put migrants in school gymnasiums. nate foy is live in brooklyn with the latest. we heard from the mayor's office on all of this, and his plan for migrants to be housed at public school gyms. what more are we learning? >> well, john, we learned that doing this, housing migrants in these school gyms is always meant to be a temporary solution for the mayor's office and as soon as they can move them out

of the school gyms that's what they will do. we heard from the deputy mayor of health and human services, she partly blamed the need to do this on the end of title 42, saying since may 11, numbers have spiked here in new york city. taking in between 60700 migrants every single day and i can tell you john behind me i checked in on the gym here at p.s. 172 after hearing from some parents who have been protesting, bs and with my own eyes i saw workers appearing to clear out the gym, backing up the supplies and cots inside the gym waiting for these migrants to arrive this week. i can also tell you 42% of students at p.s. 172 are not at school today as parents have been protesting this. you should be looking at video of the protests from earlier this morning. this message for president biden and mayor adams, listen here. >> my message is to the

president of the united states, joe biden. joe biden, and all the elected officials in washington, d. c. immigration is not our job, that's your job. adams, you have kids, joe biden you have kids, a lot of you elected officials have kids. stop playing with peoples' kids' lives. >> john, take a look at the video, what the gym looked like until moments ago. you can see the cot and the supplies waiting for the migrants. now parents are hopeful that the migrants will not be coming at all. we have not independently verified that from the mayor's office. we are working to do so. take a look at this next video from p.s. 188 in brooklyn, we did capture migrants outside this school, this was the only active school where migrants physically were, another school was shut down in staten island, the mayor said he was considering 20 schools in total,

only two schools actually had migrants, back out here live, john, the mayor also said he has a list of 400 possible locations to house migrants, we have seen that schools are on that list. he has admitted he doesn't like the idea of housing migrants at cools, but in the absence of more federal help he feels that he is desperate enough where he has to. back to you. >> john: all right, we'll see where this goes. fascinating development there, nate foy in brooklyn, thank you. sandra. >> sandra: sorority sisters at the university of wyoming are filing a lawsuit after they had to accept a transgender student in their chapter. the biological male was watching the girls in a way that made them uncomfortable. they told their story. >> we were promised from the beginning that we would have a sisterhood, meaning only females. and our national sorority has failed us. >> it's very disheartening that

when you are 6'2", 260 pound man you are treated as the victim. >> never thought this would happen to me, especially in a sorority and a space for women. >> having that person try to take that away from us is not ok. >> john: we will get to her in a moment, first of all, alexis mcadams live in new york city with the latest. what are the girls alleging. >> going through bit by bit, and the transgender member has made them feel violated inside of their own sorority house and sexually aroused while watching the girls. posing outside at the university of wyoming, members asking the judge to declare the transgender student's membership void, saying they pressured the local chapter to violate sorority rules. >> never thought this would happen to me, especially in a sorority, a space for women. we were never told it was a

unisex space, we joined under the impression it was a single sex organization. >> that's what they say is not happening. the transgender member identifies as a woman, is listed repeatedly in the lawsuit as a man. the 21-year-old joined it back in 2022 but does not live in the sorority house. last year langeford told the school paper excited to be the first trans member on campus, and hope they see me as the person i am and not the ideology they perceive me as. lawsuit claims one sorority member walked down the hall to take a shower wearing only a towel, felt unsettling presence, and turned around and saw langeford watching her silently. >> young ladies have seen and witnessed that, forced into a living environment which is supposed to be safe and they come home every night and hope that he's not there. >> we reached out to the kappa kappa gamma sorority, they say

the lawsuit contains numerous false allegations, and does not discriminate by state, local or federal law. >> john: alexis mcadams, thank you. >> sandra: bring in caitlyn jenner, welcome back to you. thank you for joining us on this. i think it's really important to hear the sorority sisters, this is jacqueline talking about how she felt when this happened. >> there were a lot of uncomfortable moments in the sorority house and goes to show the importance of women spaces ultimately, and that's why we are here, we are fighting for the importance of women's spaces and what it means to be a woman. we were promised from the beginning that we would have a sisterhood, meaning only females. and our national sorority has failed us. they have blatantly ignored us and ignored our values and valued someone else over us. in this uncomfortable situation.

>> sandra: you really feel for the girls. >> you know what, if you look at those pictures, what i have to say is he is a perverted, sexually deviant male. i'm sorry, you are not a woman and do not belong in women's spaces. i was listening to fox news the other night and clay travis put it perfectly, said living in this woke world, equality really, really has become inequality and it's so true because the women are not being protected here and that is a shame. you know, i've been fighting this woke world for a long time. obviously in sports, we know how that's been going for the last couple of years, trying to protect women's sports, and now in a sorority. and you know, you got to fight

back all this b.s. every day, tooth and nail. i mean, let's look at this case. the case was originally filed, not against the university but against the state organization for the sorority, kappa kappa gamma, they put it in as a john doe, they don't want to expose themselves to the kickback and i know how that is. i get it all the time and i don't blame the women. but unfortunately the judge says no, if you are going to do this lawsuit you have to put your name out there. and so it has been extraordinarily difficult on the girls. i am so proud of them for being able -- you see them, articulate, great representatives for the women in college and i applaud them and i hope they win their case, you know. >> sandra: and the aclu is coming to the transgender, the biological male's defense, this is the aclu responding to the lawsuit saying "all young people

should have the freedom to live their lives openly and honestly in a supportive community. transgender women are no different and deserve the same dignity and respect as every other student." a few seconds left. >> look at the picture. they are no different -- they are. i said at the beginning, a sexually perverted man, i mean. he's -- they have -- the women are so uncomfortable -- this is a women's space and the women are so uncomfortable with them in his space and you know, they can see him, he's got an erection, he's eyeing the girls. this is wrong. society, we have to protect women and this is not about the woke world. this is about protecting women, and honestly, the last call of action i have, i want young women to get either pull out of

this sorority, kappa kappa gamma, the only way you are really going to get any results is if everybody gets behind these women, and that's by far the most important thing. so, the entire country has to get behind these women. it's the only way we are going to get any change because there is strength in numbers. >> sandra: and good for them. i can't imagine how hard that is for the girls to speak up and speak out, and detail their experiences with this. but they are doing it. because they feel they have to, and now suing. thank you very much for joining us. >> i applaud these women, go for it. >> sandra: thanks. >> john: always good to hear from caitlyn jenner. more fallout from durham's report as we hear from former attorney general bill barr, who appointed durham as special

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>> john: former attorney general bill barr is speaking out about the findings from special counsel john durham four-year-long investigation of the russia probe, and say the report proves the fbi never had a case against former president trump. john thune, we are all together. >> sandra: thanks for having me. i should say. >> john: former attorney general bill barr appointed john durham was on special report, and what he said, listen here. >> and both the press and the fbi abandoned any semblance of professionalism and took up the cause with a vengeance, and i think the real story here from the fbi's perspective is what an abomination this was, the so-called investigation. you know, if it wasn't a witch hunt, it's a damn good imitation of one. >> john: abomination is how he

described it. how would you describe what you saw from the durham report? >> well, i mean it was clear, it was very politicized investigation. i think everybody kind of knew that at the time but this verifies it. confirms everything that people believed and that is that the fbi, you know, clearly had an agenda there, and were really out of their lane, and i think this verified that. chris wray has made some changes to the way the fbi does things, transparency and accountability in government is critical and especially in the agency responsible for law enforcement, people need confidence that it's not politicized and clearly it was in this case. >> sandra: dare i ask, senator, anybody will learn lessons from this? >> media, prizes awarded for everything of that, incredibly ironic, but that said, follow-up

hearings, the house next week is going to have durham up there and have him testify. so i think it will shed more light on what actually happened. but it's a good reminder and a good lesson to all of us about, you know, the way that even institutions of people should have confidence in this country can often times get politicized. >> john: lindsey graham and jim jordan said they think some people are owed a few apologies. >> wouldn't it be nice for the agency to apologize to those that their lives were ruined, nice for the president to admit we got it wrong. none of that's going to happen. >> the very people, the very people who told us things that were not true are now out there telling us on tv, you can't trust the durham report. like are you kidding me? >> john: you mentioned a couple news organizations were awarded pulitzers for their coverage of the russian collusion scandal, did not have the added benefit

for being true. i don't expect anybody will apologize or give back pulitzers. >> there is reputational damage and organizations got out there and bought into this hook, line and sinker, ought to pay a price for it and you know, if the prizes are not going back, but hopefully a price is paid. >> john: so what's happening with the debt ceiling, you know. it's got the president cutting his trip short. one of our reporters, i actually ran a race with him this morning, grady, he had this exchange with jamie dimon on what it means -- everybody wants to know what it means for us as a country, what it means for the average american, and he had this question for jamie dimon about the banking system. listen. >> what would it do to the banking system? >> actual default would be a disaster and said consistently over and over, just repeating it. >> are you optimistic about a

deal? >> let them worry about that. >> sandra: are you optimistic about a deal? >> i'm getting more optimistic. but for a long time, 100 days, biden was missing in action. i mean, there was no attempt at all to enter into negotiation with the speaker, now finally that's happening, and they are actually getting the right people in the room. i've been saying for a long time they need decision makers in there, not low level people and finally that's happening, so maybe with the closers in the room we can narrow in on a deal. but a couple things about this to me that strike me as odd. one, biden is taking off this next week, and there does not seem to be a sense of urgency around it, and janet yellen, every time she talks about the deadline, says june 1 or maybe the first week in june and then revenue spike middle of the month, you get the feeling in a way that we are kind of being played on this, and they seem to be stalling and i think the

democrats use the clock to their advantage. >> sandra: you think janet yellen is playing politics? >> i don't think she's been very transparent. always attaching caveats to what she said. so we are wondering is it really june 1, and what is the administration going to do here, they have not demonstrated the sense of urgency you think there would be if you are literally up against the deadline. if it is june 1, you have to act in the house, have to act in the senate, takes time, you have to write the deal up and they don't even have a deal yet and finally yesterday agreed to get the right people in the room. >> john: in terms of your chamber, chuck schumer said we need a bipartisan bill and bipartisan support. he chided mccarthy for not having a bipartisan bill, passed along party lines, though it was the only thing that constituted actually here is a proposal. what do you would a bipartisan deal constitute? >> well, i mean, i think there

are things the house put on the table and honestly, it is the only thing out there and incumbent on the president to enter into a negotiation, those are the two entities to get the bill signed into law. >> john: does there have to be spending caps? >> spending caps, clawing back on spent covid money, i think some of the proposals on work requirement are very fair and fiscal benefits down the row. >> john: basically you are saying the republican bill. >> they ought to make a deal. $31 trillion debt and the amount we are paying for interest from 22 to 23 is increasing by 39%. we are going to spend $663 billion this year just on interest which is approaching what we spend on national security. >> sandra: one thing you are talking about the moving deadline, i mean, it is a moving deadline. we are in a changing interest rate environment, revenue stream

changes, it comes, it goes, are you getting updates on that? could you just know when that could be happening? >> no, and i'm hoping they are going to give us more specific updates, but we think there is more there than what they are telling us and even the leadership on -- >> sandra: do you have a date? >> no, it's -- like i said, it's kind of a -- it's a little bit of a -- a lot of squish room in that and that makes me uncomfortable, i know how they have acted in the past and they run the clock out and jam you with something and say take it or leave it. >> john: senator, great to see you in here today. >> appreciate it. >> john: states across the country legalizing recreational marijuana. new research suggests pot is not as benign as advocates would have you think, especially for teenagers and young adults. a new study showing alarming connection between marijuana abuse and psychiatric disorders, including schizophrenia. dr. nora volkow joins us now.

people are saying this is a benign drug, but the study would suggest it's anything but benign. >> yeah, no, unfortunately marijuana is not as benign as we would like it to be because it would be great if it was a very safe drug. but we have known all along the use of marijuana that is powerful counter psychosis and what the study shows, it's contributing to the rise in new cases of schizophrenia, and that is particularly in men who are between 20 and 30 years of age that consume marijuana regularly. so high doses, regular use, can be harmful. >> john: do we know why this happens? do people have latent mental illness that is made full by heavy pot use, the marijuana itself that triggers this, even if you don't have a particular risk? do we know what the mechanism is? >> it's likely that the three things are happening, you have some individuals that have a

latent risk and marijuana triggers the episodes. in others it may be actually it just accelerates the time of the presentation. and finally, it's also possible that in some individuals it triggers the event would not otherwise happen had they not smoked marijuana. >> john: you are citing the potential health risks and calling for more research. do we need to put the brakes, do you believe, legalization of marijuana in many states that are considering it now? >> it would be ideal, but the states are legalizing it and what we need to understand right now is what is it that we can do to minimize harmful effects. and that means among other things, regulating the products that are being sold, educating the public about the adverse effects. i think it is crucial because as you know, the majority of the united states, the states in the united states have legalized for either recreational or medical

marijuana. >> john: definitely something that judging by this latest research out of denmark requires further study. dr. nora volkow, thank you for being with us. appreciate it. some food for thought there as we leave folks today. >> sandra: absolutely. we notice a lot of that around d.c. can i come back tomorrow? >> john: absolutely. hope you >> thanks, john and sandra. >> i'm trace gallagher for mark mark who is on assignment for "the story." in details on what prince harry and megan characterize as a catastrophic car chase. first, president biden says he's confident a deal will be reached to avoid possible default in 15 days. here he is today without any mention of spending cuts. watch. >> to be clear, this