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when it does, we'll take it live. what happened to these fbi agents caught up in alleged political targeting by fbi leadership. well one agent says he was placed on unpaid suspension on the first day of a brand new assignment. the weaponization subcommittee, says today's testimony is the human evidence of what it calls institutional rot and anti conservative bias at the highest levels of government. politics is driving the agenda in federal agencies. parents attending a school board meeting pro lifers praying at a clinic or catholic, simply attending mass. you could be a target to shut down. differing viewpoints is the end of any analytical or investigative body. it sends a chilling effect across the workforce and does not allow for intellectual freedom, which is vital to any investigative body to members of this committee, current and former fbi employees and indeed all americans to ensure that the weaponization of our own government against the people

comes to an end. no matter the personal cost. republican senator rand paul of the great state of kentucky ranking member on senate homeland security committee is in focus . first we will go to david spun at the justice department , the doj, the boss of the fbi , david, that's exactly right. harris no surprise. you could cut the tension with a knife in this hearing room three fbi whistleblowers before congress today, all making their separate allegations, and i actually got ahold of a letter from the fbi. to congress sent to republicans and democrats explaining why these men lost their security clearances. the fbi suspended my security clearance, accusing me of actually being disloyal to my country. this outrageous and insulting accusation is based on unsubstantiated accusations that i hold conspiratorial views regarding the events of january 6 2021 that i allegedly

sympathize with criminal conduct. i do not. according to marcus allen's fbi file. as one example, on september 29th 2021 allen sent an email using his fbi email to account email account to multiple colleagues that contained links to websites and urged recipients to quote exercise extreme caution and discretion in pursuit of any investigative inquiries or leads pertaining to the events of january. 6th harris stephen friend is another witness who says his name has been damaged by the bureau. listen. you may think i'm a political partisan. you may think i am a grifter. you may think i'm a conspiracy theorist. it does not matter. simply put, this committee should avoid the temptation to impugn the character and the motivations of the messengers seated before you. but according to his fbi file on september 3rd of last year friend entered fbi space and downloaded documents from fbi computer systems to an unauthorized removable flash

drive. the fbi then required mr friend to attend a security awareness briefing regarding his actions, but he refused to do so, the file says. he also gave an interview with russian government state television and he was not approved to do so. but these whistleblowers say they were retaliated against the hearing continues momentarily, harris david sponte. thank you for getting us started from capitol hill. now senator rand paul, the top republican on the senate homeland security committee and member of the senate foreign relations committee. great to have you in focus today. good morning. there's been a lot to go on in that hearing across chamber from you. i would imagine everybody's watching it your top line thoughts. you know, as i travel, the country and i meet people. people come up to me every day, and they are worried that there's two sets of justice that you know. for paul manafort. you go to jail for life for hunter biden. there's never even an indictment. so people are very , very concerned. we give our law enforcement, particularly the fbi, our intelligence

agency. they have the tools to look into every aspect of our life, too. to thoroughly go where no one is supposed to go and they need to be unbiased. it needs to be based on probable cause on the constitution. but it turns out we learned that in the trump administration and the trump campaign, they went after they didn't even use the constitution. they used what's called the fisa or foreign intelligence court, which doesn't have to obey the constitution and has a lower standard than the fourth amendment. so this is very, very worrisome. i think people are upset by it, and i frankly think the hearings are a good idea. so what are you learning about these whistleblowers and their alleged plight that maybe is somewhat surprising to you? um and one of the things i would ask you to point to is this idea that they get treated differently than whistleblowers per other agencies in one single federal government? i think that's true. typically the left has been receptive and open to whistleblowers. i as a

conservative and open and would like to hear from whistleblowers because i think they can tell us about malfeasance within government. in fact, the most famous whistleblower in the covid investigation was a major who released a research document that said that the chinese with our help, we're actually trying to develop the virus that looked suspicious issues like suspiciously like what? covid 19. and became and that was a blockbuster and actually had a lot rethinking whether the virus came from a lab. whistleblowers are incredibly important and we should hear from them. the weaponization of the f.b.i. policing speech at twitter and paying $3 million to twitter to take down protected speech. these are things that have to be evaluated. my hope is that at some point in time the left -- they were good at defending the first amendment. when will they step up and say it's wrong for the f.b.i. to be shutting down content on twitter

and facebook? >> harris: and when will they deal with the topic that came up today in the hearing, that is that in other agencies whistleblowers are protected in a much more vigorous way is a fair way to put it than at the f.b.i. the rules are different for people who come forward. >> people are asking me why the people who broke the rules to go after trump, we had what, $50 million investigation, the mueller investigation, it all turned out to be based on campaign documents that hillary clinton got that were probably given to her by russians. the actual russian collusion was the hillary clinton campaign, the opposite of what they promoted. did anybody pay a price? they weaponize the f.b.i. not just to torment an individual. they weaponized it to destroy an entire political party and national nominee. so this is incredibly worrisome. something has to give. the people coming to me say why aren't they in jail? they're not in jail because they

are being protected by the biden administration. >> harris: americans are looking for some form of what we would all get if we had done the same thing. it is ajudd indication, accountability. i will ask my team to put this out. mark houck is an activist accused of shoving a volunteer. they raided his home. >> i totally was surprised by the amount of force that was brought to bear. my children and i witnessed this. we've lived a horror and we are still trying to deal with the effects of it. >> harris: what do you tell your seven children? >> encourage them to engage the culture and why we go to the pro-life places as a family. we must stand in the marketplace and bring light to those dark places and not be afraid. to have the courage and willing to use our first amendment

rights and to speak and share love and compassion. >> harris: his recent testimony right there on capitol hill you saw it senator mike johnson alongside of him. these whistleblowers or just american citizens who go through things. how would you describe them? >> martyrs but i am also saddened that a man who believes that life is sacred, that god created us, we were created in the image of god, that there is something special about humans and life is hounded by a police force, by a government police force and realize this is not brand-new. ever since 9/11 they came up with the idea we need to share information. they had the fusion centers but then profiles and within the profiles of sharing information supposedly for terrorism, they included people like this gentleman, pro-life was seen as an issue that somehow was a danger. this is a signal of danger, someone with a pro-life sticker on their car or believe in the

constitution. >> harris: or go to a latin mass. >> this is crazy. this is where we are. the world has been turned upside down. there are people kidnapping, shooting, raping, that are being released from prison and meanwhile the government seems to have enough time to harass a godly man with seven kids who just wants to talk about the sacredness of life. >> harris: since 9/11 you gave us new details when we need to look back and see how things started. the origins of where we are now. i want to move to this. six democratic senators, including elizabeth warren and bernie sanders, calling on president biden to cease negotiations with republicans and use the power of the 14th amendment to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval. republicans are laying into the president for jetting off to japan for the g7 ahead of that june 1st debt deadline now just a couple of weeks away.

let's watch. >> here we are on the brink of a biden default and i think we saw the helicopters going across here and i said he is leaving now to go to japan. i'm like stop, stop. >> mr. president, cancel your trip to japan. stay at the table. >> america wants an american president focused on american problems. >> harris: what is your reaction, senator? >> it's irresponsible to raise the debt ceiling without any kind of spending reform. it is irresponsible of biden to continue to say he won't negotiate while he is doing that. irresponsible for him to leave the country with a job not done. the only reason we're facing a deadline he has for three months said he won't negotiate. he is negotiating now but he wasted three months. he is pushing it up against the deadline. the other thing people need to know, though, this is somewhat of a contrived controversy. the government brings in 4.8 trillion in taxes, the

interest payments a little over 400 billion. we have plenty of money coming in every day to pay our interest payments. we would just have to cut spending elsewhere. so this is about democrats and some republicans frankly not wanting to cut any spending, we have to raise the debt ceiling because they are unwilling to cut spending. we are spending a trillion more than comes in. they have to cut spending and it needs to be part of the leverage we use is to get spending caps through raising the debt ceiling. >> harris: i tell you, if this doesn't get done, it looks like democrats will wear this one. republicans put a deal on the table. they stayed at the table. the president allocated some responsibilities to different people, delegated them and then took off. we'll cover the news as it happens. senator rand paul in "focus" today. great to have you. border patrol out with record shattering new numbers raising concerns about just how dire the situation could get now that title 42's expulsion driven by

covid, that trump-era principle and measure are gone. texas governor greg abbott in "focus" next. plus white house officials are in some hot water for saying this. >> these are arches. >> they are our children. the children of our country. >> our nation's children are all our children. >> harris: no, our children are ours. parents are furious over this. they're telling the u.s. government to back off when it comes to their own kids. power panel next. the all-new chevy colorado is made for more. bring more. ♪ do more. ♪ see more. ♪ and be more. ♪ the all-new chevy colorado. made for more.

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>> harris: stunning numbers show a surge of illegal immigrants at the southern border last month. customs and border protection reporting there were more than 211,000 illegals caught in april. that is a 10% jump from march. and that was just before title 42 expired one week ago today. the cbp also reports it captured a staggering 16 people on the f.b.i.'s terror watch list. that's more than all of fiscal year 2017 through 2020 combined. arizona congressman andy biggs says don't forget about the gotaways. >> the bigger problem is we don't know who they didn't interdict. we don't know whether there are terrorists or criminal gang

members or bringing drugs across, we don't know if they are bringing children and sex and human trafficking cases. it's a massive problem. >> harris: border communities are now all over the united states. but particularly those states along the southern border with mexico. they are struggling particularly hard. in el paso, texas, illegal immigrants sleeping in the streets and thousands more waiting right across the border in mexico. officials there say they are now, the weather has cleared, bracing for the worst. >> desperate and they will try to cross in an irregular fashion. that being either coming across the river or going out into the desert or trying to jump over the wall, which are all very, very dangerous. >> harris: republican governor greg abbott of texas. tell me how things are going right now? >> well, things have changed a

little bit because of what we showed last week. the texas national guard and texas department of public safety are now repelling illegal immigrants who are trying to cross the border. it is causing the cartels to have to recalibrate what they're doing. they are holding tens or hundreds of thousands of people back trying to figure out where and how to go as they cross the border. it is a chess match right now with the cartels. that said, one thing we're doing as we speak is to add more national guard and dps officers on the front lines of the border as well as add more of those razor wire border walls and fences to make sure that we will be able to prevent people from entering texas illegally. >> harris: so i pointed this out last week. i said that some of the numbers should come down because of what you are doing. at one point i remember you were deploying 10,000 texas national guard. earlier in the process. what you are doing is making a

difference. i haven't heard it. do you have the full throated public support from the federal government giving you credit and an attaboy for what's going on down there? >> to the contrary. joe biden was asked about it yesterday or the day before and he scoffed about it. the fact of the matter is there is only one governmental entity in the entire united states of america that is repelling people who are trying to enter illegally and that's the state of texas. >> harris: wow. the cdc is reporting that nearly 110,000 americans have died from drug overdoses in 2022 becoming the most deadly year on record. i know your state of texas, the senate there just passed bill allowing for murder charges to be brought in certain fentanyl-related deaths. how will that work? >> first to show the magnitude of the problem, texas law enforcement have seized enough fentanyl to kill everyone in

america. there has to be consequences for it. one of the consequences that we're adding is to create a murder charge for someone who laces some other type of drug with fentanyl, which is what happens all the time and a person uses it and dies from it. so we're converting an overdose to a poisoning finding and classifying it as murder and prosecute it as murder so we can put the cartel members or their counterparts here in the state of texas behind bars. >> harris: in your state is doing specific work where this is. you have a special lab your dps as told me about. quickly, how much more do you think the federal government could be doing? have they visited that lab? >> they have not. so you say how much more could they do? the first thing they do would be the most that they have done. they aren't really stepping up and doing anything that i have seen to try to stop the inflow of fentanyl. remember the component parts of

fentanyl come from china and are used by drug cartels in mexico to lace onto other drugs that are then sold in the united states. biden should be fighting on the front lines against china and mexico with regard to people in the united states being poisoned. i have seen nothing from the biden administration fighting back against these countries for the poisoning and killing of americans. >> harris: look, he would have to add that spy craft that flew over the entire continental u.s. to the list of things to hold china accountable for. he is not likely to do that. he will give them a pass is what i read. the texas state legislature passed a bill that would ban doctors from providing gender-affirming care to children. it is headed to your desk, governor. right now there are similar laws on the books in several other red states. we'll put up the map for everybody to see. if it is signed into law in your state it would become the largest state to ban these procedures for minor children. these are young kids.

governor. >> so listen, i'm not going to make a secret about it. i'll be signing it. harris, this is about protecting children. remember this and that is a person under the age of 18, they don't have the mental capacity to make a life-changing decision to lose their sex organs. in the state of texas if you are under the age of 18 you can't get a tattoo or buy cigarettes. people think they should be able to make a decision to permanently alter their sex organs? it is outrageous. texas we believe that cutting off a child's sex organs is child abuse and treated that way by law. >> harris: you have some states that say you don't have to tell your parents. i have interviewed a couple patients who found out their kids were being exposed to things. secret clubs and what not at

schools. elementary age kids. that's a big discussion. you make no bones about it, you will sign the bill into law. governor, good to see you. we're looking right now, i will ask my team how far away we are from the subcommittee on weaponization of the federal government. they will let me know when that resumes. for now, while red states are taking action to protect minors from life-changing sur guerre ephors as you just heard the governor of texas talking about. blue states are taking the opposite approach. one agency in massachusetts wants to punish parents who don't let their kids get transgender treatment and surgeries. plus president biden looking to go very green in 2024 in an attempt to appeal to younger voters, he thinks. will it work? i thought he meant the green about putting some money in people's pockets. prices are so high.

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>> i'm not going to make a secret about it. i will be signing it. harris, this is about protecting children. >> harris: that's governor abbott of texas just seconds ago in "focus." he says the state is about to have a law because he will sign it banning children under age 18 from undergoing gender transition procedures like surgery and puberty blockers. a very different story in democrat-led massachusetts. a state agency wants to punish parents who won't let their minor children get treatments.

the massachusetts commission on lgbtq youth calling on the democratic governor and legislature to improve massachusetts's child abuse laws to explicitly include the withholding of gender-affirming care for lgbtq youth. molly line has the story. massachusetts going the look very different than the state of texas potentially. >> it is interesting to watch as it begins to unfold. i want to talk a little bit the about the massachusetts commission on lgbtq youth. they make recommendations to all the government branches. an independent agency. in the latest report they advise the agency raises concerns about the well-being of trans and gender expansive youth in the home advising the state examine current laws around child abuse and welfare suggesting steps toward codifying gender-affirming child welfare protections in state law.

the commission urges expanding coverage for gender-affirming care and increasing reimbursement to incentivize care. the commission notes gender-affirming care includes social, psychological and medical intervention. it notes republican governor signed a law that provided gender protective care. they note 18 states considered or passed legislation banning gender-affirm care and lawmakers introduced bills. a trend that exploded in 2023. >> harris: molly line, thank you very much. you know we'll stay on this. it will likely be a topic into 2024 no doubt. thank you. we want to take you back now to the subcommittee on the weaponization of the federal government. right now is congressman darrell issa, republican of california talking with a whistleblower who

say they were retaliated against and humiliated and intimidated after speaking out and speaking up. >> mr. connolly. >> thank you. >> our sympathies are with your staff. you will get your full five minutes. >> i appreciate that. i must say my friendm california, i don't know where this concern for whistleblowers and protecting them was in the ukraine episode in that perfect phone call donald trump had with president zelensky in which a whistleblower was, in fact, subsequently punished for reporting which led to the impeachment of the president of the united states. without it be nice if we were consistent. mr. leavitt, i have five minutes and you represent an

organization, president of the organization called the power oversight. power oversight represents an f.b.i. agent or former f.b.i. agent, mr. george hill who we heard from a little earlier. >> well no, actually. mr. hill did not have counsel for his interview so my partner agreed to sit in on the interview. >> you were like a surrogate counsel. but no formal relationship with mr. hill. >> correct. >> why did you choose to help him in a deposition? >> i didn't. my partner. we were informed he didn't have any counsel and both of us have experience sitting in many congressional transcript interviews. >> he is also a valid whistleblower in your view? >> he is not my client. i can't speak to his claims. i do have the view that going out and again the attacking someone saying you haven't yet been given the magic wand of whistleblower status is inappropriate. i am not familiar with all the substance of his personnel

actions. >> might it cause you some concern. let me show some tweets on the screen from mr. hill. this one he had theories about january 6th that it was instigated by the deep state, not by insurrectionists up to no good seeking to hang the republican vice president of the united states or other -- it was the deep state that led to this. are you familiar with that tweet? >> no. >> here is another one. >> are you familiar with this tweet in which he talked again that the deep state is real on the january 6th insurrection. >> i'm not familiar with any of his tweets. it can be helpful for people to have counsel and willing to assist. >> isn't it also helpful to know a little background when you are providing counsel? >> we were there for the

procedural counsel on the interview not to represent him and his interests. >> i understand. wouldn't you want to be curious about his status and what led him to be -- >> i'm sure it's possible that my co-counsel is familiar. i wasn't even an employee of empower at that time. >> do you believe that january 6th was instigated by the deep state? >> define the deep state, sir. >> i don't know. >> i sure don't, either. >> good, all right. >> great question. >> it is a phrase frequently used by the former president of the united states. it is out there. you don't know what it means. >> obviously at the protection board all layers of bureaucracies. >> i don't know what it means either. i think it's made up like a boogeyman. so we can use it a as a catch-all. i must say on this hearing you

all have employment grievances. it doesn't make you whistleblowers. maybe the grievances are legitimate. i'm sorry for the situation in which you find yourselves, but this is not a forum for individual members of any agency, federal agency, unless there is a broad pattern of discrimination or violation of law, to err their employment grievances. i must say listening to this hearing, i don't walk away convinced of anything other than we're listening to sad tales of certain individuals about their situation. and en numb ration of grievances does not constitute whistleblower status. i'm not quite sure why we had this hearing. i certainly don't think it proves some consistent pattern of wrongdoing by the federal bureau of investigation. and i've heard some things here

that run counter to the history of the f.b.i., gentleman lady from florida, a new idea they got into the intelligence business. that would have come as news to j. edgar hoover. he had a whole network in south america he had to dismantle when president truman said he had to get out of that business. so thank you for being here but i must tell you, i leave more skeptical and with more questions about the nature of this hearing than i began. i yield back >> a short point of privilege. for the record, i left congress in 2019 and returned in 2021. i believe the gentleman saw an absence of conduct by me when i wasn't in congress. >> i must say i'm so fond of my friend from california, it was like he was still here. >> i thank my good friend from

virginia. yield back. >> just for the committee's benefit mr. vinman was not the whistleblower. the whistleblower remained an animus and unlike mr. allen, we never saw mr. allen is willing to give us a transcript. we never saw the transcript from the anonymous whistleblower. >> there was a complaint publicly disclosed. >> parliamentary inquiry. >> i have recognized mr. johnson. >> the democrats are friends on the other side are trying to obscure the purpose of this hearing and pretend they don't understand the meaning of it. here it is. activists in the f.b.i. and the department of justice have weaponized the full weight of their agencies against everyday americans. it is alarming. examples highlighted by this committee are shocking to the sensibilities of all the people that we represent and they want us to get action and answers and accountability. the f.b.i. here is a couple examples. the f.b.i. sought to label

concerned parents at school board meetings domestic terrorists. they sought to recruit spies and informants inside the congregations of traditional catholic churches and know they worked with the social media platforms hand in hand almost as partners over the last two election cycles to silence conservatives online that they disagreed with and some candidates. the people at this table who are patriots who this bothered their consciouss and knew it was against their oaths of service and their duty spoke up and being retaliated against. mr. o'boyle, i want to discuss one example. you stated federal law enforcement involvement at school board meetings in your words chill parents from exercising their first amendment rights. can you explain a little more what you meant by that? >> yes. so one of the examples given in the congressional letter included an example where someone knew a parent that they

believed was extreme and so they called the f.b.i. and reported that parent to the f.b.i. when citizens in this country get to a point where they can call the most powerful law enforcement agency in the world on their neighbor just because they disagree with them, that is chilling to the first amendment rights of the people who are getting the f.b.i. called on them. >> that is right. the parents who are concerned about their kids' education have a right to come to the school board meeting and express the sentiments and not fear the federal government investigating them or doing, as you testified and explained to us, the f.b.i. counter terrorism and criminal divisions came together to create a threat tag to label these parents domestic terrorists. mr. o'boyle, did you try to fix these issues within the f.b.i. through the chain of command and that it was only after no action was taken that then you came forward to congress to disclose this information? >> it is accurate we did discuss

it at the squad level but the f.b.i. is set up in a way where line agents like me or line supervisors, even, they aren't going to be able to accomplish fixing such a vast problem from the inside of the f.b.i. >> what you've done is exactly what federal law requires of you. we recognize as was said a moment ago, we recognize and protect whistleblowers for their patriotic duty because it iss enjoys to maintain the rule of law and make sure corruption doesn't fester throughout the government. isn't it true once the f.b.i. found out you spoke to congress your security clearance was then suspended? >> yes, i believe that's what happened. >> what effect has it had on your ability to provide for your young family? >> i have had to rely on charity. the f.b.i. stopped paying me and there is no other way for me to make a living. i know from other whistleblowers

the f.b.i. denies them the ability to get outside employment and as a special agent you can only make $7500 a year outside of your government salary. so you are really stuck between a rock and a hard place because on one hand we want to try to get our jobs back because we are trying to do our patriotic duty. on the other hand, we still have families to care for. >> talk about a chilling effect, right? not only chill the rights of parents to express their views, any other whistleblower better take note. you may not be able to feed your family. it is disgusting. your security clearance was wrongfully suspended. you have no recourse. if you strip clearances the f.b.i. is supposed to investigate itself, is that right? >> that's correct. >> i want everybody to understand. the f.b.i. investigating itself. this is why we're here, folks. this committee, we have jurisdiction over the department

of justice, over the f.b.i. we're the checks and balances in the system and have to draw attention to this because it is our oversight duty. we are all trying to fulfill our responsibilities and patriotic duties. i'm grateful to you men to take the arrows as you have. even from members of congress over here trying to disparage you. it is disgusting. thank you for your patriotic responsibility. the free speech of parents is chilled. the speech and duty of whistleblowers is chilled. we have a problem, folks and we trying to fix it. i yelled back. >> the committee will be in order. members of the audience are to refrain from any type of applause or anything. gentleman from virginia for unanimous consent. >> i ask unanimous consent to enter into the record the interview of george hill dated february 7th from the judiciary committee in which he identifies -- >> harris: we're seeing fireworks inside the subcommittee on the

weaponization of the federal government. and not the least of which you saw representative mike johnson, who was on this very program alongside our guest at the time who was the father of seven who the f.b.i. raided his house, he is pro-life, strong christian. he believes it was over his beliefs and all that played out in the early-morning hours on a beautiful september morning. he said they were terrified. the kids saw that. so you are hearing from some of those in the house right now, leadership and the others among republicans who can give some present-day examples of things going on with the weaponization of the government. and then there is some friction with democrats who want to take everything back. how many times have we heard donald trump's name just from the previous democrat who was on, not ms. garcia right here. we'll continue to monitor that. we have an opportunity to show you a couple of things before "the faulkner focus" wraps. so we'll do that.

go right back if news is breaking. white house press secretary karine jean-pierre facing some serious backlash for saying this about our kids. >> i've met a lot of parents of trans kids in the past couple months who have told me these devastating stories saying how they now have to seriously consider leaving their state to protect their child. and that's something that we have to call out. these are kids. these are our kids. they belong to all of us. >> harris: no, i don't even think she has children but i don't know. mine are mine, hers would be hers. white house, this is a familiar refrain. >> president biden: no such thing as someone else's child. no such thing as someone else's child. our nation's children are all our children. >> when you see our kids -- i truly believe they are our children. they are the children of our country, of our communities. >> harris: outrage on twitter.

democrats from the president to the local level are fighting -- no parent wants to hear the government tell them their kids are not theirs. that's what they are doing. power panel, jason riley, fox news contributor, "wall street journal." patrick murphy, former pennsylvania congressman and former undersecretary of the army and first iraq war veteran elected to congress. thank you for your service. gentlemen, great to see you both. wow, i need a democrat perspective on why the democrat party wants to babysit a bunch of children that aren't theirs? >> i don't think that's necessarily the case. i do think, though, when you have 24% of young americans, teenagers, that think they are better off dead, that's a mental health issue. we have to do better. you are a mom. i'm a father of two kids. it does take a village. we have been there for each other whether you have children or not.

you have to do more to make sure our kids aren't dying by suicide and make sure we need them in america and we need them to be part of our lives. they are the blessings that god has given all of us. >> harris: your example was an adult age. that's okay. they are always our babies. jason, what is your take on this? >> well, obviously children belong to parents first and foremost. i think millions of american loving parents, caring parents resent their children being treated like wards of the state. i think the big concern here is that teachers and administrators and schools are undermining not only the authority of parents, but the values of parents. as you mentioned earlier, harris, you hear story after story of boys wanting to be identified as girls. or vice versa and the parents being kept entirely in the dark about this. i think that is what is really frustrating here. we send our kids to school to

learn how to read, write and do math. most of them can't do that at grade level. you would think the schools would be focused on doing that job first before turning to the gender issues. >> harris: i will double back and go in reverse. jason, why do you think the rhetoric -- i call it that because i haven't seen actions match it. it is not like the president and first lady and kjp, not like they are showing up at schools and offering to watch kids in an after school program to make sure they are fed and read to them on a regular basis, tuck them in and pay their bills. why say they take ownership at this point? >> i think this is about appeasing the far left of the democratic party. this is what the progressives want the focus to be on. i think you see the president and the white house press secretary following suit. throwing them a bone, playing up this issue. i think that's exactly what's going on here. another example of the progressive tail bagging the dog in the democratic party.

>> harris: i'm just trying to figure out why. patrick murphy, i really understand what you say in terms of mental health. it is a problem. the hhs secretary has said it, the u.s. surgeon general said it. he said isolation and depression are so problematic among particularly our young teenagers. i get that. that's not necessarily what's being talked about. we are talking about surgeries for transgender minors and that sort of thing. >> we're talking about that and the earlier segment talked about that as well. when you look at the broader picture you have to unify our country and strong from within. our kids are hurting whether they are part of the lgbtq community or not. >> harris: do you want the government watching in your your kids >> my mom will pick my son up at school in a couple hours but i do think we have to unify and we have to devote more resources

the make sure parents are accountable and responsible as the ultimate authority. we invest in schools and children. we have to be competing against china and other countries so we have to get after it when it comes to math, science, stem. >> harris: i hear you both saying that about the education. how do you get that done? since we sat home in lock down as parents across the country -- i living in cobalt blue new jersey. it wasn't an option unless you went to a private school if you were blessed enough to do that. we're good at sitting alongside our students and good at that and understanding how to get them to the next level. so i am glad as a democrat you want to set the table. not everybody does. d.o.j., f.b.i., unions. we'll talk next time. great to see you. thank you. let's keep it with the parents now. a growing list of towns outside of new york city in states of emergency right now over the influx of illegal immigrants coming from the southern border.

new york city sanctuary that it is, is crippled so the mayor says, after receiving nearly 61,000 people from the border just since last spring. they get that much per week, per day in some areas on the border. but here are those areas where they are sending them into other counties outside of the biggest city in america. they are trying any and all options to house them including a controversial plan to use school gyms. officials found out how badly that would track with parents when they moved some of the migrants into the gyms and then had to move them out after parent outrage. >> people staying in the gym. people they don't know, strangers and close proximity to the kids. any parents with kids will know it is frustrating and scary. >> harris: it is the scary part that's the problem, right? miguel has three beautiful

daughters, two of them in ps172 in brooklyn. we know that school. that's where illegal immigrants were housed until yesterday. mr. chico, the parents won. what did you do? >> to be honest, we have nothing against the immigrants. i come from immigrant families. the community is full of hispanics. we just believe that school gym isn't a place to put these people in. it is not a place for them. the gymnasium was built for the children so they can have an education and have gym. it is not a place for them to be put. >> harris: how did you make your voice heard on that? i see some people in the video that were showing with signs and so forth. they didn't come to you and ask if you could do this, they just did it. >> they just did it overnight. from what i heard it was over a weekend. mother's day weekend they came

and put some of the cots there and we all found out, all the parents found out monday morning. >> harris: were you one of the parents who decided to keep your two daughters at home until they solved this? that was some pressure. >> yes, i was. absolutely. >> harris: who did you speak to and how did that go down? it happened so quickly, you got somebody's attention. >> all the parents in the pta organization got together and we just all met in front of the school and just organized and just protested and explained and made sure our voices was heard. >> harris: the concern over children met by the voices of parents and your little girls, what did you tell them? >> basically we told our girls that no matter what we still have to treat these people by human beings. they are human beings. but a school gym isn't a proper

place for them to be placed. they need to be placed in an environment that's healthy and safe for them and where they can have freshwater and sleep comfortable. school gymnasium isn't the proper place to put these people. >> harris: parents coming out victorious having to do with children. god bless you and your family. >> thank you so much. >> harris: "outnumbered" after the break..

>> hello everyone, this is "outnumbered" by i'm kayleigh mcenany. here is harris faulkner and emilty compagno. and former new york congressman and gubinatorial candidate lee zeldin. we begin in new york city where the mayor and city officials are grappling with a growing migrant crisis. another bus carrying illegal immigrants from the border arrive