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>> sean: i'll come up with a new one. send me your ideas. >> laura: i got it. awesome show i'll pick it up where hannity left off i am laura ingraham this is ingraham angle from new york city tonight. now, life is getting harder and it's feeling more dangerous in the liberal utopias like san francisco where we just were, la, philly, chicago. regular, sane people are getting tired of paying through the nose for declining quality of life. and as we've seen in new york, well, they're just deciding, i'm going to pick up and move. seeing a lot of for lease signs, i have over the last few days, hanging in all the office building windows and one real estate expert is warning of a permanent collapse of real estate, commercial real estate, due to what's being called an urban doom loop. oh, my god, sounds awful. of course, who would want to make the trek into the city when

it seems criminals have the run of the place especially with leftist prosecutors like new york's alvin bragg in charge. as a soros backed prosecutor, he doesn't considering prosecuting career criminals a top priority, he considers a top priority hunting down heroes like subway good samaritans daniel penny. that's one of his most perform commissions. now bragg wants to make an example out of mr. penny. and it's something like this. defend yourself or defend others and you're doing it at your own risk. the risk of prosecution. now, naturally bragg gets the high five on all this from new york's neo socialist governor. >> no person should ride the subway, even if they're having a mental health episode, and be killed for that. there's excessive force, which i believe was used here. this family deserves justice. >> laura: wow. and now things are getting

worse. bragg is widening the net. according to the new york post tonight, investigators appear to have identified one of the two men seen on the video helping penny. now, the sources say authorities have been scouring surveillance footage looking for them. so i'm thinking to myself, do they simply want to question these two men as potential witnesses? well, considering it's bragg that's doubtful. more likely, he wants to bag a few accomplices, two more vigilante calens on the wall. this is a sick manhunt for two men who did nothing wrong. two nights ago we interviewed a woman who was brutally beaten in the subway. she told us things could have been different if someone like mr. penny was around. >> i would never be the same again. i'm not that person that i was seven months ago and if i had somebody like penny around maybe things would have been different. i probably wouldn't have suffered so much pain and suffering and these things that

i go through. >> laura: well, she lost one of her eyes because of that attack, and so much more. her life was completely shattered. now she planned to join us tonight until she called and told us she had received too many death threats. please pray for her and all the victims of crime in every city in this country. elizabeth gomes isn't the only one, though, who thinks this way about daniel penny. >> my girlfriend use the train very often appear always feels very uncomfortable. not supposed to be like this. >> a lot of crazy things are happening in the city right now and it's scary to be out. >> someone does attack you you need to do something whatever it takes do it. >> if he didn't do anything now what happens? could coronavirus hurt a child or a woman, pregnant woman. >> laura:en a a witness on the train, a woman of color who's about 64 years of age spoke exclusively to fox news digital and described how she felt when penny stepped up as a real man

would. she said, he's a hero. it was self-defense and i believe in my heart that he saved a lot of people that day. that day that could have gotten hurt. the people on that train, we were scared. we were scared for our lives. and that's just how the left wants you, isn't it? scared. too scared to act. too scared to speak out. too scared to stand up for your right to self-defense. now, the only way to change this dynamic, to turn the tide against this criminal element and the prosecutors who she would them, is to throw the bums out. if the cities want change, they'll have to change their voting habits and courageous men and women will need to step forward and lead the way. joining me now is madeline the chair woman of the victims rights reform council. also with me paul mauer 0 attorney and former nypdinspector. madeline start with you, you were on the show once and we got a huge reaction to your

appearance because you and your -- i mean, your son, a veteran was brutally attacked and murdered. >> yes. >> laura: his killers got sweetheart dpreels alvin bragg but i know you have strong feelings about mr. penny given what he put on the line and what's happened to him since. >> absolutely. you know, it's unfortunate what happened on that train that day. the city of new york, the entire apparatus, has completely failed mr. penny and mr. neely. mr. neely had no business even being on that train period. mr. penny, didn't even -- shouldn't have never even been put in that position where he had to defend himself and other people. this is a soldier, a marine. he's trained by the united states government to protect and serve. okay? if you have a deranged individual on a locked, moving, subway car, okay, threatening to

kill people and shoot people, his natural instinct is going to be to protect and serve. just like the 63 year old woman felt. them people were petrified on that train. because i have my own experience of being locked in a moving subway car. >> laura: and we have some video of that. let's show it now. >> yeah. >> people just started running, stampeding me on the train. i lost my shoe. they broke the window and i stepped in glass. i'm bleeding. this is real. hundreds of people just started stampeding through the cars. we were locked inside the train. this is real new york. >> laura: paul, this is real, it's real to everyone who's experienced this, it's terrifying when you're in closed confined space. it takes how long for someone to slash you, attack you. he said he didn't mind if he went to jail the rest of his life, what does that tell the

passengers? >> when you consider the body english he took his jacket off and said i'm done, that's definitive. you're in a confined area no place to go looking around for respite. people say well, where were the cops, where were the cops. you can't have a cop on every train car it's just numerically impossible. we're lucky we have cops in some of the major train hubs in like of the fact recruitment is down and retention is a challenge. the idea there is this vacuum of public safety, the very people weaponizing the vacuum, we know who these are, the aocs of the world who call it murder. >> laura: white supremacy murder. >> meanwhile one of the people who was helping mr. penny appears to be a person of color, a male of color. and here's the other dirty little secret. it's very politically incorrect to say but i'm just going to say it. the victims on this subway, the targets, are generally women, okay? that's just the truth. and nobody wants to say it because, oh, god, gets into

mercury territory that we're not supposed to touch but that's the truth. and there's a reason why one of the people on the train said i'm praying for him and i'm going to the fifth precinct on his behalf and another woman, a woman of color as you said, called him a hero. if you are a woman or a male, if you are a husband a father a brother, and that is somebody in your family don't you want a daniel penny. >> laura: don't we want men to stand up and protect and defend anyone who's rind do so or just wants to help. >> of course. >> laura: why were they after those other two. you mentioned one might have been a person of color. >> right. >> laura: could they actually charge those two individuals of aiding and abetting a possible manslaughter. >> my gut would be no, i don't think they will, if you're asking me to guess. but i have to tell you what else. remember this has to go to a grand jury. >> laura: six months for a grand jury charge. >> a little give and take. but, you know, point jurors, as left as they are, take the subway. you only need one to hang a jury

if you get to a trial. >> laura: madeline, again, this idea that heroes are criminals and criminals are misunderstood, how is that playing in the minority community? can you can make a broad generalization. >> okay. to sum it up, if mr. penny had been black and that had happened to mr. neely, and both of these individuals. >> laura: if the races had been reversed. >> yes. we wouldn't hear nothing about this story. just like we don't hear anything about all the black on black crime that's happening in our community. as soon as it's a white cop or a white person who does something to a black person, then all of a sudden everybody wants to play the race card. okay? and be the aocs of the world and use the words like lynching and all kinds of different things like that and everybody's jumping on the bandwagon. i can tell you something right now, in the black community,

we're sick and tired of it. we're tired of it, all right. >> laura: so what should the political answer be to this? because the voting pattern among most african americans is democrats, democrats in charge, the whole city is democrats, all them running it. what's your message tonight. >> time to leave the plantation of the democratic party. time to leave. because we have got nothing but dilapidated housing failing schools crime unemployment abortion and every other horrible thing that you can absolutely think of. >> laura: paul 1-10 how angry are the people in new york over this crime issue? 1-10. >> seven. >> laura: pretty bad. >> yeah, you don't hear about it but on the ground it's pretty bad i live here. >> laura: madeline paul thank you for being here tonight >> one group overlooked as victims of crime increasingly are latino and as a result the voting trend shows they might be moving slightly to the right and now the left feels their minority wall of support its

crumbling under the weight of liberal policies. axios writes biden 2024 determined to reverse sliding report among latino, they will hold boot camps and plan to spend seven figures on bilingual ads narrated by speakering with different spanish acc cents. joining me newt gingrich author of of the fourth coming book march to the majority available for pre-order now. newt the gop advocates for a more prosperous life the democrat advocates for ads with more spanish acc cents what do republicans need to do to win in these historically democrat communities? >> well, first they have to do what speaker mccarthy began four years ago, and that is recruit minority candidates, be willing to compete and broaden the whole field, campaign on issues that matter in people's lives. you know, recently there was a

vote in the house to repeal a dc crime provision that even president biden said would have released car jackers and put them back on the street. about 165 democrats voted, in essence, to release car jackers and put them back on the street. now i suspect there are very few districts where, if people know that, that they'll think their congressman has any idea what's going on. i thought the one lady you had on earlier caught it exactly right. they've been cheated on schools, they've been cheated on housing, they've been cheated order crime, they've been cheated on jobs. and i think that a direct aggressive appeal is going to lead to a surprising turnout. the latino community is dramatically moving away. the asian american community is dramatically hurt by woke policies which are anti achievement, anti meritcratic

behavior. and in the african american community they're the number one victim of left wing policies: they're the folks most likely to get raped or killed most likely to have stores driven out of their neighborhoods, the people most likely to have bad housing all because democrats policies don't work. >> laura: but republicans -- not to interrupt. >> machines are breaking down. >> laura: but republicans have to show up. they actually have to make a real affirmative pitch. remember reagan was in the bronx in the last two weeks of the 1980 campaign. he went to every part of the country and considered it a 50-state campaign, right? we're trying to cobble together like georgia, pennsylvania. like we've got to take back new england and california and all those states. they're all disasters. >> but, look, to her credit, ronna mcdaniel the chairman of the republican national committee she's opened a large number of neighborhood operations right in the middle of the cities, right in the middle of latino and african

american communities, and she probably has the largest republican outreach among minorities that the republican national committee's ever had. it's a start. i think it's also important to have candidates and to recruit candidates very widely and to recognize that sometimes the first time a candidate runs in a really tough district, they may only get 20 or 25%, but you begin to build a base and create a possibility. >> laura: yep. >> remember, when i first ran in georgia, there were no elected federal republicans period. none. >> laura: that is amazing. >> you had to go out and start and gradually georgia became a very republican state. i do think the failure of performance is going to drive a surprising number of minority americans to decide that they simply can't vote democrat again. they can't take the inflation. they can't take the crime. they can't take the pain of living in neighborhoods. look in new york where mayor adams idiotically is now putting all the illegal immigrants into

the schools. >> laura: yeah, the gyms. >> jim nays yums totally screwing up education for minorities in their own neighborhoods. >> laura: we can't get beaten on the bilingual outreach. i don't care if half the convention has to be in spanish at this point we have to win on the bilingual outreach to hispanicsment newt thank you great to see you tonight >> you have a seen a lot of whistle blowers from today's congressional hearing but one who wasn't there and has arguably the most damning story of fbi overreach is here exclusively on the angle next. plus victor davis hanson is back and will reveal the new details about the dark money now targeting the right. what is it? stay there. this isn't just freight. these aren't just shipments. they're promises. promises of all shapes and sizes. each, with a time and a place they've been promised to be. a promise is everything to old dominion, because it means everything to you.

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♪ >> those retaliated against because i forwarded information to my superiors and others that questioned the official narrative of the events of january 6th. as a result, i was accused of promoting conspiratorial views and unreliable information. because i did this, the fbi questioned my allegiance to the united states. >> the fbi will crush you. this government will crush you and your family if you try to expose the truth about things that they are doing that are wrong. >> you used to go after the worst of the worst, didn't you.

>> yes, i believe so. >> you went after people that looked at child porn. >> yes. >> what happened to the cases that you were working to protect our communities from the worst predators that exist. >> i was told they were not to be resourced and then after i was suspended they were handed off to local law enforcement. >> laura: those were some of the most explosive moments from today's house weaponization committee hearing with fbi whistle blowers but there's one story you didn't get to hear. about how the fbi was allegedly tracking americans through the banking system and bank records. now one of the main whistle blowers in the committee's report wasn't able to testify today but he's here on the angle exclusively to tell his story. it's going to blow your mind, it sure did mine. former fbi soups advisory intel analyst george hill said bank of america turned over customer data to the fbi for anyone who made any purchases in the dc area with the b of a debit or

credit card between january 5th and january #th 21 20. doesn't matter if you bought tactical gear or a hotdog that information went right to the fbi. and it gets worse. fbi whistle blower george hill joins me now. thank you very much for joining me tonight. there are certain people you say were prioritized on this list. who were they? >> so bank of america took it upon themselves to data mine their own customer base and generated a list of anyone, any bank of america customer who used a boa product, whether that be a debit card or a credit card, in dc or the greater nova area, northern virginia area. and they built that list based on any purchase criteria, whether it was a hotdog or a taxi cab or souvenir on the street. but then they racked and stacked that list and on the top of that they put anyone who appeared on

that first data poll who had bought a firearm at any time using a bank of america credit card. so say you went pheasant hunting in north dakota in 1999 and you bought a shotgun for that, then you went to dc in january to, you know, visit your sick mother in the hospital, boom, you went right to the top of the list. >> laura: now, this just takes your breath away. george, i want to play a moment from congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz that was then taken a step further by a member of the media. watch. >> determine these individuals have been determined not to be whistle blowers. these are not whistle blowers. they've been determined by the agency not to be the whistle blowers. are you deciding that they're whistle blowers? >> whistle blower term -- there's always a more sinister motive and they are standing by people who are, at a minimum,

not in dispute, guilty of insubordination. >> laura: your response to that, george. >> you know, if you don't like the message attack the messenger. i mean, really -- >> laura: i think we might have lost george. maybe we'll get him back any moment. we're going to hope we get him back. isn't that interesting that we just lost the satellite. going hmm, wonder why that happened. think about this for a second. i'm still having my mind blown by the fact that credit card purchases in the dc area, yeah, obviously i had to vamp a little bit because we got george basket george i thought it was some type of hillary left wing conspiracy. i'm just joking obviously. but your reaction to the media echo chamber when wasserman schultz obviously is making excuses or trying to change the narrative to a, you know, gas lighting one. >> it's horrible. it's the old tried and true

tactic of attack the messenger if you don't like the message. when i gave my testimony at the end of february, within 24 hours the democrats leaked my tomorrow morning to the rolling stone, picked up by the new york times and cnn. they attacked these three gentlemen today, all of whom are veterans, some of whom are war veterans. it was just horrible. >> laura: americans today watching this, what should they be most concerned about given everything you've experienced at the fbi? >> there's been a shift. the government is supposed to be weary of its people because they serve at the consent of the governed. that's changed and i think garrett o'boyle said it way better than i ever could, but that dynamic has changed and we are on the other side of the looking glass where we, the people, are now afraid of our own government for very good reason. and it's sad.

well, it's beyond sad. i have children, grandchildren. so does your audience. >> laura: yeah, well, got to take it down to the studs, do we not, and unfortunately reform the entire thing. george, we're going to definitely have you back, this isn't going away. thank you so much >> glad we got him back >> now the destroyers of democracy unveiled. have you heard of fix the court, right? that's the group behind attacks against supreme court justices bret kavanaugh and clarence thomas. now, they're managed by a group called arabella advisors, a liberal dark money group, and now they have a bit of an issue. while the washington examiner was investing why the group didn't file certain financial disclosure forms the group accidentally sent reporter gabe kaminsky a list of its own funders. whoops. among their benefit factors the founder of hewlett packard, the rockefeller brothers fund which has supported radical climate groups, and the leber witnesses

avery foundation an organization that has bank rolled a lot of pro abortion causes. victor davis hanson joins us nouchlt victor the curtain is pulled back and some of those groups, some of those names aren't all that surprising but they want to tear down faith in the american judicial system, do they not? >> they do. and i think we fixate on sam bankman-fried's number who was in the dark money collection, or george soros but this arabella's a billion dollars consortium and its sole purpose is to give cover to people who don't want their identities known and to donate to these very radical efforts to go after, in this indicate, supreme court judges ad hominim. one the ideas that bill a silicon valley icon the fortune he built himself the entire

corridor between san francisco would go and try to destroy people like sam alito and clarence thomas is reprehensible. we have a swiss billionaire, mr. wise he has $5 million he funnels through arabella. all of these efforts are being concentrateed and the whole sub text is, laura, they can't pack the court, they tried to storm the homes of the justices, they even had an a sass sane turned up in one case and they failed to disrupt the conservative majority and they can't stand that pause in the past they either had a liberal majority on the court or they can flip justices like suter or william brennan or potter stewart or john paul stevens and they felt they could always do that. now they don't have control of the court and that means their agenda is dependent on popular support and nobody is supporting their border policies, the economy, inflation crime and they're exasperated so they

decided to go back to law fair, we see tonight the indictments of donald trump but they always want to get the court back in their corners to achieve things they can't do legislatively and one is toss destroy the character and personalities of these conservative justices and using a lot of money that i don't think the donors to be used that way. >> laura: this is an intimidation game, too. >> it is, it is. >> laura: there are a lot of people who are really talented juryists on the appeal ate courts and, you know something, i don't want to do this, i think that's part of this game and that's a very, very dangerous game they're playing. it's and ar kiss particular at heart. >> it's a fine version of going to a justices home and swarming it and sending a message do you really want to live like this. because if you keep ruling now this is the elite version that do you really want to go down to

conservative traditional well because if you do we're going to unleash millions of dollars to destroy your character it's rep rehence snowball yeah, future subway heroes don't think about it defend yourself at your own risk, become a supreme court justice at your own risk. thank you >> the biden administration prioritized firsts who quickly become the worst. charlie kirk and lee zeldin explain in moments. out here, you're more than just a landowner. you're a gardener. a landscaper. a hunter. because you didn't settle for ordinary. same goes for your equipment. versatile, powerful, durable kubota equipment. more goes into it. so you get more out of it.

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arrested late last night in yet another case of stolen luggage. this has to be a i joke i don't even believe this read. remember, brit ton was a first which is all that matters to biden but no first is more priced than mayor pete, leave it to pete beaver, one of the most embarrassing of all time, pete buttigieg loves god, beer and his electric mustang. sure the us secretary of transportation has thoughts on building bridges but infrastructure occupies just a sliver of his voluminous mind. he comes off like a mens a black cardholder who might have a secret go habit or a three second rubik's cube solution or a knack for supplying off top of his head the day of the week for a lan dom date in 1404. i slowly became aware that his cabinet job requires only a moderate portion of his

cognitive powers. virginia, get a room. that was virginia heffernan. instead of asking the dot secretary things related to what's going on in the supply change or those trails, you know, train accidents we were treated to basically deep thoughts. clearly we have a chances to rewrite some of these easy gender tropes. my life happens to cut across them, he says. i like drinking beer, lifting weights, splitting wood. he says he's also gay and like playing piano. pete we also wondered, what do you think about meat? he says i love a good cheeseburger, i hate a bad veggie burger, i like a big veggie burger, the burger king impossible whopper is not a bad combo. this is their backup plan lee zelleder former gubernatorial candidate and charlie kirk.

lee, this reminds me of the early stuff written about obama when he was running for office with his glistening pecs and the hawaiian surf. this is kind of like almost soft porn really over there at wherever the hell that was. i don't know where that appeared. >> they're listening to what you're describing and the conclusion is, wow, that sounds like a guy who should be the secretary of transportation. but barack obama, it sounds like this might be the guy who should be the president of the united states. the arrange american wants competency, you just referencedd the supply chain crisis. there was an issue with getting ships into the port and drivers being able to get licenses and the delays. we have east palestine train crash and the list goes on. what people want is not a secretary of transportation who you can -- by the way, there's no way he can fix a rubik's cube in three seconds. not eat shooting straight and the twist on it has people saying i just want competency,

don't give me this crap. >> laura: charlie first of all anyone who thinks the impossible burger is in any way edible is disqualified from holding any public office, seriously. this is their backup plan. this is the guy they think can carry the torch if biden and kamala go down. that's it. that's why they're building him up. >> that's correct. as i was reading the article i thought did chatgpt write this. >> laura: it has to be a parody. >> it was almost satire. you have to wonder when was the last time a cabinet official got an unbelievable piece like this and he's been a total disaster. i can make the argument he's been one of the worst cabinet officials from modern american history. from the flight issues at christmas people forgot about to the inability to fix our infrastructure but it goes to what lea's saying, the regime

media's doing everything they can to elevate and prioritize characteristics that mean absolutely nothing and try to make the unlikable likeable. most people don't know who the head of transportation is usually. they don't know who you are that means you're probably doing a great job. who runs the department of labor not really that important unless you're messing up. that's not the way to go be a celebrity or waiting place. let's be honest they put him there bass he checked a box. >> laura: what was his experience i worked at dot, believe it or not, i actually worked in that building the chief speech writer there in the reagan administration a i will long time ago. it was like 9,000 employees. he was the mayor of south bend indiana, no offense i like south bend but come on i don't think they were happy with him there, filled with crime as i recall. >> the presidential race is over now time for a transition now we

have to pick a secretary of transportation. who's the best possible person we could get and we get this. what else is amazing when you poll possible democratic party candidates there's a bunch of the democratic base that says, yeah, this guy shouldn't be secretary of transportation, right, he should be the president of the united states. >> laura: but, charlie we got results in the republican party. you have kevin mccarthy, we were talk during the break, he's doing an unbelievable job. a lot of people doubted him. i think his numbers right now are higher than nancy pelosi's ever were as a speaker. we'll see what happens with the debt ceiling but they have stunts, they have no substance. >> that's exactly right. and kevin has listened to his voters and has actually delivered results and the democrats are not used to a republican majority that actually governs and produces legislative victories but also oversight. not only is the debt ceiling negotiations going on but speaker mccarthy to his credit is allowing jim jordan to do

what he does best. the weaponization committee. >> laura: fantastic we were talking about it. >> all in harmony it's remarkable and speaker mccarthy has really proven his doubters wrong and deserves a lot of credit. >> laura: make the democrat party lee out to be the party of china and the party against work requirements for welfare recipients. i'll take that any day of the week. >> hakeem jeffries is coming out against this. undecided, independent minded people want and mccarthy and the house republican caucus they're doing it and they should be rewarded with more opportunity for more subpoenas, more oversight and to be able to do their job and i hope they're successful with the debt limit battle. they're doing the right thing. >> laura: i'll take results over sam brinn and the luggage thief. he would never take mine from tj max. thank you >> part two of of the university of wyoming sorority sisters. who was behind the decision at

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♪ >> laura: all right in moments part two have my interview with the three sorority sisters suing their national chapter after they say they were forced to

admit a man into their group. but first we have so many questions about the story we wanted to try to bring you a few answers. now, the big one is who at kappa kappa gamma national was actually behind this insane decision? well the only national sorority official listed as a defendant in the lawsuit is someone named mary pat rooney, the president. we tried to get a statement from rooney but she didn't respond and the national chapter ignored other questions like are there other kkg chapters with men that the organization are aware of. is this the national standard now to admit anyone who identifies as a female? so while we don't have those answers, we tried, we do have a kind of ironic message from rooney, from her celebration of the sorority's founders last fall. >> we're not all that different than our founders. women today still need a place all our own where we can learn and grow and make change for

ourselves. >> laura: a place all our own. maybe she should heed her own words on that the next time a man wants to join the sisterhood. and now part two of our exclusive interview with the sisters of kkg. >> your fellow sorority sisters across the country who aren't paying attention to what happened to you. >> i mean, we're not the only ones running into this problem. i mean, we see biological males invading women's spaces across the board but specifically in sororities they are a place to meet your lifelong friends. my parent went through they still talk to all their friends and that's what we all joined for to meet our future bridesmaids and our best friends that will be there our entire life and with the situation politics have been brought into the sorority and that's not what it's about at all. we're here to make these connections that we're always going to rely on and not to have

it divided by this biological. >> laura: jalen the kkg, kappa gap a gamma has a guide for supporting lgbtq members. the guide says respect a person's identity and self label as well as that person's chosen name and pronouns. i'm sorry i'm laughing. if you aren't sure what pronouns to use, listen. so jalen shouldn't all the pronounce in this female sorority be she and her? but then again, the guide of your own sorority organization does seem to invite what's happening now to all of you. so i'm kind of saying to you, why should you be shocked with that kind of insertion into your guide? >> well, this is just shocking because this is all the information we got from national headquarters. we constantly sent out e-mails, phone calls expressing our concerns. because they said if we felt uncomfortable they were a safe group of people to go to and instead we were blatantly

ignored by them and we got this guide telling us how we were supposed to feel instead of listening how we actually felt. >> laura: hannah the lawsuit also alleges that artemis was evaluated using different criteria than the rest of you saying in fall of 2022, mr. langford had a 1.9 cumulative grade point average. good going. this gpa is disqualifying for kappa applicants. they have to have at least a 2.7 gpa. hannah have you turned away applicants before because of grngs pa? why was he given a pass here? >> i don't speak to any of that experiences, i was never in the loop on one of that but academics is one of our pillars and what kathy said earlier we are on each other to lean on each other grade wise academic wise and it's very disappointing and frustrating this individual can come in and get preferential

treatment. >> laura: kathy does this individual also date women? it's very con fusing. there was some reference to this in the documentation, i believe. >> laura, i think the discovery in this case will uncover some very troubling details about that which i can't disclose yet. but what we know is this is no question this is a biological man in fact it's quite apparent that biological men have different biology and the young ladies have seen and witnessed that, being forced into a living environment that's supposed to be safe. and they come home every night and hope that he's not there. it's interesting too, because none of these individuals at the high level of national headquarters have to come hoefer every night to a stranger who' a 6'2" 260 pound man. >> laura: ladies, i wish you the best. i guess just one more question cassie, what's next here? have you gotten a response to the lawsuit yet?

>> we're awaiting our response right now laura and it will be very exciting to see what they say because, as you mentioned, really the only defense that they've lodged so far publicly is this can't be true, because it seems unbelievable. it shouldn't be true. but unfortunately, in today's world, it is. >> laura: well, everybody preserve your e-mails and your text messages because this is going to be some discovery. hannah, jalen, ali, cassie, thank you so much for telling your story tonight. we really appreciate it. >> thank you laura. >> thanks for having us. >> laura: now, when we come back, i let you in on a little secret. stay there.

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