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edward lawrence joining us now with more from hiroshima. good to see you, e. ward. >> reporter: good evening, i can tell you that president joe biden is in for the night right now. very interesting, the g7 communique came out and specifically calls out china for the first time if the very specific terms. now, it's very specific if about saying that it's the not meant to thwart china's development or progress, but it does get very critical of china's actions in specifically the south china sea as well as including the actions they're taking with taiwan, saying that changes to the status quo would not be tolerated. it also calls on china to end the programs meant to undermine security and safety in other countries as well as end human rights abuses. now, critics say the president has been dragged into criticizing china, taking a long time to push back. china's within helping russia as russia continues to try and take ukrainian land. the ukrainian president made a

surprise visit here to push for more powerful weapons. after about eight months of pushing for the f-16, president biden is agreeing to the train pilots now, and that could take more than a year. here's the argument for weight on this. weighting on this. >> we've reached a -- weight on this. >> we've reached a moment to the look down the road are and see what does ukraine need to be able to deter and defend against russian aggression. f-16 fourth generation fighter aircraft are part of that mix. >> reporter: and president joe biden will meet with the ukrainian president tomorrow as zelenskyy has already met with other world leaders here at the g temperature -- g7. >> the president always looks forward to having a conversation with president zelenskyy. i think it's important that he continues to, on the here at these types of summits and share or an update of what's going on and what's happening. >> reporter: and the ukrainians are getting ready for

that renewed offensive from russia as the. s rise in that area. david? david: by the way, it's not night, it's morning there. it's now after midnight. >> reporter: oh, that's right. i didn't look at my watch. david: thank you so much for staying up for us, appreciate it, e. ward. doweled f-16 training be a game-changer? former vice chief of the arm jack keane joining me on that -- general jack keane joining me on that. thank you for being here. are there any risks, general, in this next step, training ukrainian pilots for the f-16s? >> yeah. i mean, here we have the g7 which is, focuses on china and russia and certainly as a part of the focus on russia we have this coincidental announcement which i think is a bombshell announcement literally that a number of european nations and the united states are now going to train ukrainian pilots on the f-16 with the implication,

obviously, that we're going to deliver f-16s as well. not said whether the united states is going to be the participant of the delivering the f- part of delivering the f-16s itself. but this is a major urn the-around driven largely by the europeans much as providing ang things was driven by the europeans here -- tanks. and the united states, some reluctance the initially as you pointed out and some steadfast reluctance the early on have clearly changed the view. and we certainly welcome this. why do the ukrainians want f-16s and they make a difference? first of all, four months in training, we won't see them until latter part of year, i would imagine, so much of this effectiveness is late this year and certainly next year, and we know this war is going on into next year. but what the ukrainians want them for is the fourth generation aircraft has long-range radar systems on it that can see hundreds of miles. so the ukrainians want them for air defense purposes, number

one. their missile defense systems don't have those kind of ranges to see the missiles coming at a distance and to see aircraft coming at a huge distance. they've been effective, certainly, against russian aircraft and against russian missiles but not nearly effective as what the f-16 is going to do for them. the second thing is it's a very good air-to-ground vehicle. in other words, the ukrainians are going to conduct combined arms a maneuver against russia. we're going to see that likely in 2-3 weeks. and the f-16s eventually will be able to provide very effective ground support for to the those forces. david: yeah. >> that is the missing link in the ukrainians' combined arms warfare. we would never conduct combined arms tanks and infantry fighting vehicles against a defending enemy without what we call close air support. providing that along with artillery, that kind of effective fire on the enemy as hose the formations are moving

forward. david: general -- >> ukrainians will eventually get that. david: what about concern that this might widen the scope of the war? that is to say, we don't know yet where the pilots will be trained, we don't know if perhaps u.s. pilots might be involved in that training, whether they then become targets by the russians, etc. >> i think the training will likely go on in europe and probably, probably in poland. there's a number of european countries that actually manufacture the f-16 which is designed and all the parts come from lockheed martin. but the training will ache the place in europe. i don't believe -- take place in europe. i don't believe that'll become a target because that's a nato country, and that brings nato into the war. this terms of the ukrainians using it to escalate the war by going into russia, i suspect the united states and the countries proare if sliding those weapons -- providing those weapons to the ukrainians will have a string on that and say they don't want it to be used to attack in to russia itself.

david: yeah. >> in terms of russia escalating the war as a result of the f the-16s, they haven't escalated as we move from one advance weapons system to the another despite the brandishing of nuclear weapons. david: a lot of questions of what's coming out of the g7 meeting on china which is now russia's ally. and, of course, they're buying billions and billions of dollars' worth of oil from the russians. but there was a communique that they put out, it says our policy approaches are not designed to to the harm china, nor do we seek to this wart they that's economic progress and development. a growing they that that plays by international rules would be of global interest. you really think that president xi is going to the start playing by the rules? >> no, he's not going to play by the rules. and they're parsing those words to be very careful, because not everybody in the g7 is exactly on the same page, most notably macron from france who wants to

distance himself from united states aggression towards china. listen, china was a principal discussion here. and what are they really talking about? number one, the fact that the we have to protect our own technology from china getting its hands on it. this is g7 writ large. number two, they that's economic coercion abroad and the success that they have had in doing that. they have made advances in latin america, in africa, in south asia and now even in the middle east. and the last thing that that they emphasized, certainly, is china's militarism in the south china sea, the taiwan straits and particularly on taiwan. they all agree that they are opposed to president xi's use of force to take taiwan. not stated, of course, is whether they would come to taiwan's defense or not. but just the fact that china and russia was a principal focus of this g7 in itself sends a huge message. and what they're not saying

publicly i know for a fact is taking place, david, is they are fundamentally concerned that like-minded democracies which they represent in the world and the wealthiest ones, that their influence in the world is diminishing and that russia and china are expanding their influence in the geographic regions i just mentioned. david: yeah. >> and they recognize that they have got to get more proif active and more aggressive -- proactive and more aggressive with trade and with security assistance if they're going to continue to be relevant. david: right. i guess better late than never, but it's amazing it took so long for them to realize that. general jack keane, who's been warning about this for years now, general, thank you very much for being here. i appreciate it. to the migrant crisis now in new york city. parents protesting this week existence a plan to the put asylum seekers in their kids' public schools, and those protests actually worked to a certain extent. we're going to be the talking to a dad who helped make the city back down, that's next. [inaudible conversations]

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david: new york city parents, to the say the least, not happy about plans to put migrants in public schools. many in just a few minutes, we're going to be the talking to one of those parents who says city is backing down, at least in his case, after some protests. but first, how the big apple is scrambling to find more places for all those asylum seekers arriving in the city. nate foy as -- has more on that for us. >> reporter: good morning. it is expected to be a busy weekend in new york city. mayor eric adams expects 15 migrant buses to arrive this weekend, and and their first stop will be the iconic roosevelt hotel. take a look, the first bus arrived friday morning. this will be the city's main intake center moving forward. migrants here are given food and water as well as legal and medical services, but some migrant families will actually live here. starting friday morning 175

families moved into the roosevelt hotel. that number will increase to 850 migrant families. the hotel's been closed for three years, but now it's part of the mayor's solution to this crisis that keeps getting bigger in scale. now, another migrant bus arrived at the port authority friday morning. take a look, we counted 38 migrants. this comes one day after the mayor sent two migrant buses to sullivan county, and within hours the county declared a state of emergency, joining 20 the other new york counties trying -- trying to stop the city. >> whomever is telling us not to go somewhere, i have one question from them. you tell me where we should go then. >> reporter: david, we know the city is also in talks with hotel owners in duchess county to possibly start busing migrants there as soon as tomorrow. we'll send it back to you. david: nate, thank you very much. now to a parent who's been protesting the mayor's plans to house migrants at his kids' school, and he says the protests

worked. miguel chico has a daughter in fifth grade and one in kindergarten. we did call i mayor adams' office, he was not available for us today. hope springs eternal the, maybe he will eventually. miguel, there's an old saying, you can't beat city hall. apparently, you did, right? i mean, the protests that you helped orchestrate kept this migrants -- the migrants from coming in, no? >> absolutely. what we did was, not sure if you're familiar, we have a class dojo which is connected with the school and the board of education which is how the teachers and the parents communicate with each other. and we just feel our schools is a learning environment, not a shelter, and they need to be placed in a proper environment. not our schools. david: how did you first find out about this? did your kids just walk into the school and see that the gym was being set up with cots and stuff or what? >> actually, no. we received a message on class

dojo is, as i said before, on monday morning telling us what the city was planning to do with our school gymnasium. david: well, and you had no say in it? they just said this was going to the happen and then what steps did you take to make sure that you did have a say in this? >> i didn't actually organize it myself, but myself and the pta association and all the parents of the school, we just decided to get together and protest in front of the school and tell the city that we won't allow this. it isn't fair to our children. david: do you know where the migrants that were supposed to be sented to your kids' school, do you know where where they ended up? >> that,s we have no idea. as of now, we've been told that they're not going to the use our gymnasium, and that's about it. it's basically a waiting game. david: we still have -- i mean, first of all, the fact that the

pta wasn't involved in the initial discussions is pretty disturbing. i mean, this is something you're supposed -- >> right. david: -- they call it parents teachers association for a reason. >> the exactly. david: parents are supposed to have some say in all this, but they didn't. the mayor does apparently still, has been eyeing about 20 the other schools. what would you tell the parents of those other schools that are afraid the same thing will happen to them in. >> get out there and fight as well. protect, protect the rights of our children in our school. again, our school is a learning environment, it's not a shelter. and i'm pretty sure the mayor has plenty other facilities he can put these people in. i mean, they need to be placed in the proper environment where there's fresh running water, better beds. our school gymnasium shouldn't be a shelter. david: you know, and the other thing is and i'm sure you suffered through the pandemic like the rest of us with kids who were -- couldn't go to

school because of the restrictions, had to do this video schooling which we know doesn't work as well as person-to-person contact. and you were just beginning to breathe freely and then this comes. i mean, it's just one thing after another with the school system, isn't it? >> absolutely. our school, it's already been under construction for several years, and our children didn't have a gymnasium due to the construction. so, i mean, now that the school gymnasium is open, our children have every right to have their school gymnasium for them. david: by the way, what is the residual effect of those lockdowns on your kids? were their grades affected by all this? has their learning ability gone down as a result of the lockdowns? >> i wouldn't say, i wouldn't say their grades have gone down, but i can say it has been a distraction for the other students, the children in the school. david: now, there's so many issues, miguel, as i'm sure

you're aware not only with the pandemic and with this issue, but also questions about what role teachers and parents have to the play in sometimes getting the right material in front of their kids' eyes and what is focused on and what is not, whether heir the well prepared to go out into a very competitive world. there's something called school choice where you would be given a voucher to decide where your kids could go to school. of course, rich people don't have to worry about it because they've got money pouring out of their pockets, and they can afford to spend a lot on their kids. a lot of other folks can't, but the vouchers would give them one leg up in terms of deciding where their kids could go to school, whether it would be a parochial school or charter school or something. are are you in favor of that idea? >> i'm in favor in bettering education for our children. david: and in terms of school choice, i mean, that would give you the opportunity to decide more about where your kids went to school. >> absolutely. david: have you heard anything about it?

is it something that that you're amenable to? >> we haven't heard about it, but there's plenty of options. yes, of course, that would be good. david: well, miguel, all the best to you, to your family, to your kids. >> thank you. david: again, you're an encouragement to the rest of america that feels that they can't fight city hall. you're proof that you really can. thank you for being mere, i miguel. appreciate it. now to the border where migrants continue crossing. dan springer is in el paso, texas. dan. >> reporter: yeah, that's right, david, title 42's been history for a little more than a week, and, you know, people might be a little surprised at what's happening at our southern border. i'll are that story coming up from el paso after the break. getting into, but at the end of the day, you know you have a team behind you that can help you. not having to worry about the future makes it possible to make the present

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david: asylum seekers still crossing the border in massive numbers a week after title 42 the ended. a dramatic standoff taking place between migrants in texas as the border patrol reporting a record 1.2 million encounters in just the first six months of fiscal 2023. dan springer is in el paso, texas, with more on this. hey, dan. >> reporter: yeah, hey, david. you know, the reality is that the many were expecting that this border would be complete chaos with the ending of title 42 eight days agoing, but the reality is we've seen numbers actually drop the from the peaks of that surge just before title 42 ended. they're down about 60-70% from that surge that we saw just prior to the ending of that program. the groups we're seeing right now are actually a little bit smaller than what we've seen in the past. yesterday and sight night our cameraman dean i saw two separate groups apprehended in new mexico, one was a group of five migrants, the other six. they were apprehended by border

patrol without with incident. there was a larger group along the rio grande last night, around 100 on the mexican side being told by texas dps officers not to cross, and they didn't. it's a good example what texas governor greg abbott was talking about yesterday in brownsville. >> there was only one thing that caused them to not enter illegally, and that a -- that's because of the texas national guard, the texas department of public safety building the barriers that were needed to prevent people from entering and then having the personnel behind those barriers to insure that no one would enter. >> reporter: texas has spent more than $2 billion on border security over the last two years. abbott says operation lone star has made 376,000 my grant apprehensions, 28,000 criminal arrests and seized, get this, 416 million lethal doses of fentanyl. the state has bussed just about 19,000 migrants to five

different sanctuary cities, washington, d.c., new york city, chicago, philadelphia and just recently to den the very. the big -- to denver. the big question is how long will this last. there are still tens of thousands of migrants just across cross the border in mexico wanting to get to the u.s. some will be patient and try to use that cbp app to try to get an appointment to yet in this country and seek asylum legally, but those people who do not have the patience will try to get here illegally, and that's when the danger rises for them and law enforcement on this side of the border. david: yeah. over a thousand migrants have died over the past year, so it's a horrible situation for all sides. khan, thank you very much. joining me now is lieutenant the chris oliveras with the texas department of public safety. lieutenant, thank you for joining us. this slowdown that happened after title 42 went down, do you expect it to continue? and, of course, by the way, president biden's taking full credit for it. what do you say to both of those questions?

>> well, first off, david, good morning and great to be with you. of course, there's multiple factors that are causing this decrease crease in numbers at the border. keep in mind, we're still averaging anywhere from 4-5,000 encounters at the border. that's not taking into account those illegal immigrants that are being released through the ports of entry with notice to appear with court dates three or four years from now or much longer. last week, during the title 42 week, over 6,000 were released without any type of notice to appear. when we look at the numbers, we still have a serious problem at the border. as far as the credit, i think the crept goes to the state of texas for -- the credit goes to the state of texas, our texas the state troopers, our national guard, everyone that stepped up and held the line by preventing thousands more illegal crossings. and service the all because governor abbott mobilized more resources to the border, more state troopers, more national guard. so it was a concerted effort as

far as everyone involved, and we were actually able to prevent many more crossings. that's a strategy that we're going to use moving forward especially like in eagle pass, el paso where we do expect to see more potential crossings throughout the summer months because typically the summer months is where we see more activity the taking place. and also we've got to keep in mind too the gotaways, those individuals that are trying to evade capture. that's our primary focus as well as criminal activity the, human smuggling and over 400 million lethal doses of fentanyl that our state troopers have seized -- david: and, of course, the gotaways, you have no idea who they are or exactly what they might be doing, whether they have criminal intent or whether they're real refugees. bottom line, i'm wondering how much the cartels who control everything that's happening from mexico to getting through the border, how much they have become embedded in the united states. how much they have actually taken root here and are causing

a long-term problem for law enforcement. >> well, the cartels have always had some type of influence in the united states. i mean, just, you know, not because of the current situation at border, but even years before. i mean, that's how they're able to gain so much influence by not only carrying their organized crime from mexico into the united states because it's the also human smuggling, drug smuggling, weapons, everything that's involved with that organized crime. because of the current situation for the past two years, they've become more emboldened, they've become more powerful because they're making a lot more money now than ever before off of human smuggling. every person that comes across that river whether it be a man, woman or child, even givingen mugging cases where we see immigrants in vehicles, in trailers, they're making money off of that. it's a multibillion dollar trade for these cartels, not only drugs, but also human smuggling. look at fentanyl, how they're able to mass produce fentanyl which we had never experienced before in years. and now we're seeing that

because they're able to produce so much fentanyl, and there's no consequences in mexico, no consequences from preventing these precursors fromming with imported into mexico -- from being imported into mexico. david: you know, lieutenant the, we've had a couple of segments today about reactions to new york -- from new york politicians about the migrants that are coming into new york and, of course, you can find the same sort of comments from city officials all over the united states. based on a few thousand that have arrived here and, of course, there are real concerns particularly when they try to house them at kids' schools and stuff. but when you hear those reports, i mean, you've been dealing with tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands over the past year of migrants with the same problems with funding that they have anywhere else. what do you think when you hear those comments from, say, politicians many new york? -- in new york?

>> well, it just goes to show you, david, there's no actual end result for the situation, that no one really has a plan to prevent what we're seeing especially when you're talking about putting migrants in schools. there is no way to alleviate the flow of people coming across, they're trying to mask it by placing people in hotels and schools. that's not going to solve the problem. more people are going to continue to come this you apply consequences. that's another issue the governor did even last year by busing some of these migrants from smaller border communities because, of course, we don't have the resources, the capabilities to house thousands that are coming across. and that's why he started busing some of these migrants to these self-declared sanctuary cities. one of the other cities that's added to the list, descrern. it all goes back to policies. again, until that's done, unfortunately, we're going to see thousands coming across. they're not going to have a plan to place these migrants, and we're going to see hem in the streets homeless, we're going to

put them in hotels. there's no end result, so it's a serious situation, and something needs to be done. david: lieutenant, we have to run, but has the slowdown since the end of title 42 going to continue, or are we going to build up to the levels we were before that? >> we hope it does, but just the way things have been going, we're more focused on criminal activity, that's hot slowed down. i think it's going to continue to the increase, especially in the summer months. david: lieu end the oliveras, all the best to you. stay safe, my friend. thank you very much for being here, appreciate it. >> appreciate you. david: fears of a default are escalating as debt talks resume after a short pause. democrats slamming republicans' demand for a work for welfare measure. is it worth fighting for in "shark tank" investor kevin o'leary on thaat gt next. retire. with voya, considering all your financial choices together can help you make smarter decisions.

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fox's alexandria hoff live in d.c. with the latest. hi, alex. >> reporter: yeah. 10 a.m. local time in japan, so much earlier today, president biden did receive an update from his negotiating team here in washington. we don't know exactly what that was, but the white house did come out with a statement soon after saying that the president essentially feels that republicans have turned away from a good faith promise to negotiate and are holding the economy hostage. communications director ben lebolt writing, quote: any serious budget negotiation must include discussion of both spending and revenues, but republicans have refused to discuss revenue. house speaker kevin mccarthy said yesterday the white house is not giving enough movement on spending reductions. a meeting with republicans and negotiators for the president was cut short yesterday morning, it then resumed last night. that major sticking point you talking about, expanded work requirements that the gop wants for recipients of food and welfare programs. >> it's a really common sense proposal to help get people back to work and to grow the economy.

i think at the end of the day the american people should be left scratching their heads that the democrats are even fighting this in the first place. >> reporter: president biden said last week that he will not accept work requirements that he feels will impact the health needs of people. so the little iffy there what exactly he's saying. but for healthy people, democratic senator joe manchin says he can get behind that. >> healthy people, not a problem. unhealthy people, we've got to take care of them, okay? but healthy people, eve always been for clinton the, welfare to work. >> reporter: congressional democrats have gone a bit further from that and from the president who they're calling the expanded work requirements a non-starter many these negotiations, david. david: he said i've always been for clinton because it was a democratic president who actually signed that bill back in 1996. alex, thank you very much. so are the work for welfare requirements really worth fighting for? "shark tank" investor kevin o'leary is here to discuss it.

kevin, thanks for being here. despite democrats and their friends in the media saying it doesn't work, we know it does work. i mean, we had it -- we tried it out in '96. four years afterwards we had this comment from the nih who was not inclined to support it, by the way, but they had to admit in 2001, four years later, welfare rolls have been cut by nearly one-half, most former adult recipients are still working and earning more than ever. child and adult poverty rates have dropped, and the incidence of teen pregnancy is also on the decline because their parents had to go out and work, etc. there are all kinds of benefits to this. >> there is evidence it works, there's no question about it. but in terms of negotiations of the debt ceiling, this is the part that starts to get interesting because at this point both sides are trying to brand themselves. branding from the democratic side is, look, we want the balance of increased taxes with increased spending, and we'll get to the same place.

republicans, under manchin, is basically saying no increase in taxes, let's focus on cutting spending and finding ways to get more productivity off the of -- out of what we bring in in the first place. here's what i can say from the investor's point of view because i monitor this by the hour. the way you know a deal's coming with 100% certainty because, obviously, we've seen this movie countless times, is that the 2-year and the 10-year rates hardly move. if you really thought the united states of america was going to default if, you'd be paying 11-17% for the 2-year, and who knows what the 10-year would look like. it would be catastrophic. and the market does that by the second. it trades these bonds by the billions of dollars by the second. so all you have to wait for as the sausage gets made is what are the terms of the deal. i think tomorrow or the day after, we're going to continue to hear about the fight about what cuts we're going to see, and at the end i guarantee you a deal, and the world will roll on

because the american dollar is the default currency of every commodity the on earth. dave:ed for larry kudlow and myself, we are very interested in the work requirement just was more than the money it saves, in the grand scheme of things $100 billion is how much it would save over 10 years. that's not a lot in the grand scheme of the trillion dollar budgets we're talking about. but to put people back to work is good for the economy, to get millions of people back working, creating thing, increasing productivity. by the way, paying payroll taxes so helping social security as well. i mean, the whole generation of benefits to the economy is enormous. >> yes, it is. but the way to get that deal done, and i agree with you, there's nothing wrong with work and paying payroll taxes, etc. that all makes sense. but to give and take is to take the program that was once put in place, tweak it a little bit, throw the democrats a bone, figure out how to get what you want anyways, and that's what i

think manchin's doing so well these days and why he's become so popular in washington. he keeps saying i'm flexible, let's negotiate. and i think you're hearing that from the president too. they know they've got to cut a deal, and if this becomes a go-to issue as you're suggesting it could be, it's not a big number deal, but it's a nice philosophical deal. you're going to see it happen by tweaking it. david: and by the way, also the numbers are ripe because right now the economy has in its favor the fact we have all these jobs for which we don't have workers. this would give something for those people at home something to do. they could actually pick their jobs much more easily when you have millions more jobs than you have people looking for jobs. >> you brought up a great point. look at my companies, i've got over 54 private companies in almost every statement in america, all 11 sectors, we can't hire anybody. unemployment is at full employment. anything under 4% is full employment. so we're not going to get a recession the way we traditionally get them. you can't have full employment and a recession. either that or we're going to the fire millions of people next

week, and i don't know why i'd do that, i can't hire them in the first place. this is a very interesting time. but you're absolutely right, i need more people. call me, i want to hire you. [laughter] a david david kevin, we only have about 30, 40 seconds. you want to tart a refinery -- start or a refinery. a lot of people think that is a strange thing to do. is -- have you decided what state you're going to be? >> well, the statements that have regulations don't allow refineries, there's plenty of those. the last one we built in america was in louisiana in 19 # 7. i'm all about independence and security of energy, so i've reached out the every governor, senator that'll listen to me and say what have you got for me in your states. here's what's on the hit parade list right now, i'm just telling you where we're talking, okay? and i'm really interested in this, because these new smaller, modular refineries are very productive, green and efficient. and they're under the epa ceilings. west virginia, north dakota, oklahoma, texas. this is getting interesting.

david: breaking news. >> that's interesting. yep. david: kevin, i want to bring you back to the talk more about this because it's a fascinating topic, and you gave can us some breaking news there. kevin o'leary, great to see you, my friend. thank you very much. >> take care. david: well, an interesting debate is brewing after a couple revealed their adult child is paying them rent to live at home. could that become a new trend as prices keep staying high? that's next. ♪ she works hard for the money. ♪ so hard for it, honey. ♪ she works hard for the money -- ♪

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david: well, parents are beginning to tell or their adult children to pay up or get out including a, couple whose daughter pays them rent to the live at home. madison alworth has more on that. madison. >> reporter: david, there's a fierce online debate around whether parents should be charging their adult children rent. the archies are at the center of

this debate. their daughter chose to work full time rather than the enroll in college after high school, so they charged her $200 a month while she was at home. that's well below the market value for rent. they joined fox business earlier this week to discuss the decision. >> nothing's free in this world. >> we want to raise responsible, respectful and productive adults, not just children that enter society. >> reporter: the family's video has gotten nearly a million views, and parents charging rent is trending online. so we asked people, would you charge or let them live under your roof for free? >> they can't charge me rent, but i think because they knew that i was working towards that anyways. >> if i had to pay rent i say, okay, you're ready to move. and he moved. i pay all these years for you, now it's the time for me. >> i wouldn't initially charge rent. >> i think they should contribute something whether it's to groceries or rent or something. either that or you're going to the end up with them for years and years and years. >> they have to get on their own

two feet sooner or later. >> reporter: the archies aren't alone are. 85% of parents would let their children move back in as adults or have previously already cone so, and most wouldn't charge them rent. they do say though that they would ask for some sort of financial contribution like help with bills and groceries. david? david: it makes sense. madison, thank you very much. so does having your kids pay rent pay off in the long run? we'll debate that coming next. ♪ i'm just a kid and life is a nightmare. ♪ i'm just a kid, i know thatt r it's not fair ♪ yeah. cashbackin. cashback like a pro with chase freedom unlimited. how do you cash back? chase. make more of what's yours. my father didn't know his dad. with ancestry i dug and dug until i found some information. birth certificate. wow. and then you add it to the tree.

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♪ david: so you just heard it from madison's report, a fierce online debate is happening now over whether parents should make

their adult children pay rent. with me now to discuss, sean duffy, cohost of "the bottom line" on fox business, along with exceed january allie bream. allie, to have give me, but i've got to start with sean because they say it's cheaper by the dozen, sean, and you're not quite up to a dozen, but you've got nine kids. i mean, you could become a millionaire if you charged your kids rent. >> i could become wealthy, but right now you have these kids that don't want to grow up, and they want to stay in the their parents' home, play video games. if hay get a job, they want to keep their money, and i think it's important to kick them out of the house, kick them out of the nest, make those little wings fly. if they don't want to leave the house, stay in mine, you will pay me rent, and you will live by my rules, and my rules will be so strict, you probably want to leave. david: allie, i don't think you have as many or any kids, but would you doha? would you charge your own kids rent? >> oh, yeah.

i wouldn't even entertain the thought of having them stay at home, i don't think. your job as a parent is not to be liked. like, if i had to move back home with my parents right now, they would have to pay me. there's no way i would pay rent. i would live there for free. it's an insane notion. you're supposed to have this divide where you don't want to be with your parents after a certain age. david: actually, that's a great point. and, sean, no offense to my parents, god rest their soul, but i couldn't wait to get out of home. and when i was 18, boom, i was out. actually, even before i was 18. i took a lot of trips, take the whole summer off. i mean, what's happening with -- i mean, are there, is there this move to be completely coddled by your parents for the rest of your life now? >> well, i think it's the parents' fault too. i think a lot of parents like to keep their kids at home and they want to protect them and coddle them, and they're 28 years old, they're 30 years old and they're still being parented as if

they're 5-year-olds by their parents. and i think both sides benefit or think they benefit frommen continuing this childhood. -- from continuing the childhood in the home. again, i think we have too many soft little, you know, little kids out there. they do have to you up, david, and sometimes growing up is hard, and that means you have to the leave your parents' home. and by the way, i want them to go find a mate. and, allie, i'm sure if you meet a guy you're not like, hey, listen, come on back to my house andly with my parents. that is the biggest turnoff ever. >> yeah. [laughter] 100%. sean: you want to bring someone to your own apartment. david: we've become a nation of victimmed high schooled, and i'm sure there's going to be a lot of -- victimhood and i'm sure there's going to be a lot of kids saying ooh i'm the victim here, and maybe there'll even be lawsuits, allie, that come out of this. [laughter] >> i'm sure that's going to happen. the kids are going to the sue their parents for not allowing them to stay home. the other flip flipside though

as everyone gets older, there's going to come a point where the parents might to move back in the with their kids, and if you haven't allowed your kid to the stay with you rent-free, i don't know if they're going to let you back in when you need them at that point. so there's going to be that side going on too. david: sean, again, i don't want to make this political, because it's mostly social about what's happening with the american family here, but there is this connection with the nation becoming a nation of victims rather than self-achievers and self-improvement. >> no, i think you're right. there was a time not that long ago when 18-year-olds went off and put uniforms on, grabbed guns and were willing to die for their country. they had to grow up very quickly, and today it seems like there's an extension of child childhood. it goes way too far. and you're right, if you're having a hard time making it, a lot of these young kids have been taught that if you're a victim, that's an excuse to be coddled. i think parents sometimes play into that. and and is as parents, sometimesst the about tough love, and you've got to get the

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