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white house correspondent peter doocy live on the ground in hi roche a ma with the latest. >> reporter: griff, that's what he told the world 4r50eders gathered here in japan, but for months he's been telling us zelenskyy doesn't feed -- need f-16s fighters. we're finding out why it is that president biden is changing his tune. >> we've reached a moment where it is time to look down the road and say what is ukraine going to need as part of a future force to be able to deter and defend against russian aggression as we go forward. f-16 iss fourth generation fighter aircraft are part of that mix. >> reporter: the u.s. is not sending f-16s right away, instead they are supporting a plan to the train ukrainian pilots in europe, and we are being told that at a later date the united states and other partners from the g7 will decide when the ukrainians can take those jets and who will be providing them. the number one thing though that president biden is getting a lot of questions about here, the debt limit.

he signaled overnight that he is feeling confident that this is just part of the process and that all these hiccups that are being reported about are finally iron themselves out. but i did have a chance to ask the press secretary at a briefing here in hiroshima why it is that things are different now compared to the over a decade ago when president obama deppize thed his then-vice president joe biden to handle talks just like this one. why doesn't president biden trust vice president harris to lead these negotiations? >> well well, i disagree with your, the premise of your question. the president does -- >> [inaudible] she could be at the capitol, right? >> the president entrusts the vice president, as we all know, as we have stated times. she was in the meeting that, with the congressional members that occurred very recently, right before the president left for japan.

>> reporter: president biden is down right now because it's the middle of the night here, but when his sunday starts, we do expect some sort of a one-on-one between him and president zelenskyy and then a rare press conference with the president, so stay tuned for that. griff? griff: well, peter, we look forward to hearing from president biden there. you are reporting, great coverage yesterday, you are reporting on he really hasn't taken the traditional opportunities at every stop to sort of talk and highlight things. has that changed at all? >> reporter: a little bit. we heard there from him a little bit more overnight eastern time during the day here in japan, but it was extraordinary because usually when we come to these summits, there are things that the leaders want to talk about. you travel a long way with the big package that travels with the president. there are things that you want to the highlight even if it's not the newsiest or most controversial thing. we will cover it because we're overseas. we will take the president's comments live.

and the whole first day of the g7 we did not hear one single thing from him. that is very unusual. we are hearing more from him now though. when we talk about these jets, that is what the leaders and the diplomats would call a deliverable. a lot of the times these summits, sometimes all that you get is just a paper statement where it says, well, we agree on the ways of the world. with this they have come up with a plan to deliver jets within the next couple months. that is something tangible, and that will ultimately, in all likelihood, be the big takeaway from this summit. griff: all right. peter doocy live on the ground at the g7, thank you very much. aishah: let's bring in now republican congressman from nebraska and member of the house armed services committee and agriculture committee, don bacon. congressman bacon, thanks so much for joining us on your saturday. we so appreciate it. >> thank you so much for having me on. aishah: i will start off with the f-16s and sort of this

turn-around from the administration that we have now come to see a pattern when it comes to ukraine. they did this with the abrams tanks, they did this with the patriot missiles, and now we're looking at this with the f-16s. and we know that republicans especially on armed services have been very frustrated about the speed at which the u.s. is getting the weapons that ukrainians have been begging for for quite some time. give me your reaction to to the president saying, okay, let's do this. >> for the byer time of the russian invasion of ukraine, it appears to us that president biden's always about pour or five months too late. in this case probably six months too late. and so he's -- as you mentioned, at every step of the way says, no, no, no, and then five or six months later says yes. but it's not very helpful for ukraine. they need these systems faster. this was an unprovoked, barbaric invasion. they're doing the fighting,

we're just helping them succeed, and it's in our national interests for them to win. we're not done yet. the right now we've been sending them himars with a 100-kilometer range. the russians is moved a lot of their logistics, and be sitting targets. i believe the president and his team do a a lot of hand-wringing, a lot of second and triple guessing, and i think they look weak in the eyes of the world. aishah: okay. i want to get to the debt ceiling quickly here. i know that there is some hope from both sides that we might see something, hopefully soon, in the next couple of days here. but i want to read you this from the white house last night. they put this memo out, and it reads that republicans are recycling a barely watered-down version of their extreme budget proposal. and they go through a whole list of claims like police cuts, tax breaks for the wealthy, and they

continue to say any serious budget negotiation must include discussion both on spending and of revenues. but republicans have refused to discuss revenue. so, congressman, that count really sound like negotiations -- doesn't really sound like negotiations are going well. >> that doesn't sound too good, but then i've seen comments from president biden, a little more optimistic. i heard a little more optimism today from speaker mccarthy. i think in the end both president biden and speaker mccarthy are pragmatic and they'll meet somewhere in the middle. then they're going to have their hands full trying to convince those on the very right and the very left. but i think in the end if the president and speaker handshake, you're going to get 218 votes of pragmatic republicans and pragmatic democrats -- aishah: do you really think so though, congressman? because even if mccarthy and the president come to some sort of a deal, the speaker still has to get the freedom caucus folks onboard with this, and several of them have come out and said

they don't want to talk about this until the senate takes up the house gop bill. >> well, i would say they don't -- if we get a handshake deal between the president and the speaker, you could lose 30 or 40 votes on the republican side and on the democrat side and still get 218 votes. and, by the way, that's -- aishah: so you're counting on democrat votes. >> pardon me? aishah: you're counting on democrat votes. >> if the president shakes hands with speaker mccarthy, i think you're going to get pragmatic democrats and republicans that'll vote yes. we're a divided government, both sides have to give and ache. no side are can demand 100%. i anticipate we'll hughes some republican -- lose some republican votes, but we'll get 218 votes, and our country will keep operating and paying its bills. aishah: and, congressman, i want to get your reaction to the durham report. i think the biggest takeaway from this was pull up this quote here: the speed and the manner in which the fbi opened,

investigated crossfire hurricane during the presidential election season based on raw, unanalyzed and uncorroborated intelligence. also reflected a noticeable departure are if how it approached prior matters involving possible attempted foreign election interference plans aimed at the clinton campaign. so we know the fbi can't really go back and and reopen the clinton the probe because of statute of limitations. but if durham comes in to testify in front of it's judiciary or oversight, can you see that leading to some sort of a new investigation? >> well, i know a lot of voters in to our district want this, watch that closely. basically, the fbi took a political dossier written by hillary clinton and turned that into an investigation. and we already heard from mueller that there was no trump-russian collusion. and now we're hearing from durham that there was a lack of evidence, this was an investigation with no basis. and that makes a lot of people

mad. that hurt the previous administration for about two years. so is i want to tell you there's a lot of folks, and i heard from, like, thursday, friday and yesterday that they, that they want us to bring durham in and be transparent. and if we need to dig deeper to do so is. but bottom line, comey, mccabe, these folks did the fbi and the country wrong. i think the fbi are great people, they're great agents, the rank and file, but those three leaders made the fbi look bad and hurt our country. aishah: and the fbi's trying to make some changes, putting in some reforms. congressman bacon, thanks so much for joining us, covering all the news out of washington. appreciate it. >> thank you. 2kwreu6 griff and from the other side of the aisle, democratic congresswoman from pennsylvania and member of the house intelligence and armed services committee christy houlihan. congresswoman, thank you for joining us on saturday. so much to unpack. the g7. but let me pick up where your

colleague, congressman bacon, just left off on this durham report. what we learned from it. and and also late yesterday as a member of the intelligence committee, we learned that the fbi used the warrantless search powers under section 702 the of fisa some 2 the 78,000 times -- 278,000 times on americans. your reaction. >> and thank you very much for having me, and i have done a lot of deep dives on in this as you can probably imagine as as a member of the intelligence committee and had the opportunity to sit with the fbi about the issue of fisa because it's actually up for reauthorization as well. and talked to the fbi agents and representative bacon and i share a lot in common, and we certainly share an enormous affection for the people who serve us in the fbi agents and fbi included. but what we've seen is that there were definitely some issues on how fisa was used and utilized, and there have been dozens of reforms that have been made over the course of the last

year or so to address those issues. and again, they've been made by well-intentioned people of who have been, in many cases, following procedures, protocols and policies that aren't necessarily appropriate. and i think we've buttoned those things up. griff: let me move now to the g7, because obviously the big news is the announcement by the president to start training ukrainian pilots for g-16s. -- f-16s. but if we look back at the course of the war in ukraine, it was a no on himars, then it was a yes. it was a no on patriot batteries, then it was a yes. it was a no on f-16s, now it is the a yes. so your reaction to this news and also do you see any concern for that mission creep that we have seen in other places like iraq and afghanistan? >> so this is, again, something that representative bacon and i share in common. i led a letter back in april of last year asking the administration to consider things like f-16s and a-10s

to make sure that we have the support that the ukrainian government and military is asking for, and i've continued to ask again and again and again on the committees that i serve on why we have not been responsive to the their requests for f-16s. and i do agree with representative bacon that it has been, it's late, but i'm grateful that it is happening now. i did lead an effort in the ndaa which is the authorization act of the defense department to make sure that we had the appropriations or money to be able to train ukrainian pilots in the f-16. i think that the administration is not as rapidly moving forward as i would like, but i also want to make sure that we're being as clint and thoughtful as we can do -- deliberate and thoughtful as we can be. griff: do you think they'll make a difference? you are a member of the military yourself, you served, and so you would well know that america goes to the no wars without close air support. our troops on the ground are supported from the skies. is this a game-changer or just

another chapter? >> exactly. it's hard to kind of speculate what would it have looked like had they had these f-16s or otherwise before knowing the months before it's hard opec is late necessarily what it will mean in terms of changing now, but i do agree with with the administration in saying that this is going to be a longer game than we ever anticipated it would be, and we want to make sure we're giving the ukrainian military the tools they need for an ongoing support and for ongoing defense. and so i will look forward to seeing how we step forward on this particular issue. griff: let's turn now to matters here on capitol hill; that is, the debt ceiling fight. how do you see it? where are we from what you sit? -- where you sit? >> similar to representative bacon. i believe and have faith that the president and speaker will come to the a deal. there are some understoods if they do -- opportunities if they do not to have back-up plans that the i wish we don't have to implement because we cannot afford to default on the debt. and i do agree with

representative bacon that it's going to come to a vote that requires some democrats and some republicans come together in the more moderate, reasonable and pragmatic middle to be able to do the responsible and grown-up thing and move forward. griff: are you personally willing to vote for some spending cuts? i mean, it doesn't seem that speaker mccarthy has really been coy about what he wants. >> you know, it remains to be seen what the keel, hopefully they co-- the deal hope they hay do strike is. i would like to emphasize that it's important to make sure possible revenues are on the table as well. but i leave it to the folks who are doing the negotiations, and we'll take a look at whatever the package is that they come up with. but i'm grateful to see they are talking with one another. griff: well, we only have about ten days before we have to figure out how to pay the nation's bills. i want to just take ten seconds, it's armed forces day, you tweeted about it, you served. do you have a message in. >> i just am very grateful to

the men and women who serve our country every day in uniform here in the country and outside of our country. and from one veteran to another, thank you very much for your service, and for those who are active duty and in uniform now, thank you as well. griff: thank you for your service, and thanks for taking time on saturday. woman christy houlihan. >> thank you. aishah: thank you to all of our service members out there. the gop presidential field expanding with south carolina senator tim scott, as expected, officially filing to run. and florida governor ron desantis eyeing an announcement as early as next week. virginia governor glenn youngkin also fueling presidential buzz with his new ad. alexandria hoff is tracking the very latest campaign 2024 developments, and they are coming in fast. alex? >> reporter: yeah, that's right, plenty of teasers here too. senator scott is not expected to formally announce his run until monday, but he has already released his first ad. take a look. >> if you take out a loan, you

pay it back. if to you commit a violent crime, you're going to jail. [cheers and applause] if -- can i get an amen? i'm going to tell you the truth. >> reporter: scott's team has confirmed the first major ad buy will be a whopping $6 million in states, one of which is new hampshire. florida governor ron desantis made a stop there yesterday. this week he's going to to meet with donors in miami where it's expected he will make the long-awaited announcement. and while in concord, desantis the met with residents, state reps and governor governor chris sununu who is still considering a run for president. but the already confirmed and prospective candidates have to the make major strides to catch up with former president trump's lead in the polls. perhaps one of the harshest critics of the former president may announce his run soon as well, former new jersey governor. chris:ty. north dakota governor doug berg am also expected to the make a decision in the coming days, and miami mayor frances suarez says

he hasn't ruled out a presidential build. one person who many assume did rule it out just put out an emotional new video, that's virginia governor glenn youngkin. he's speaking in this video about contemplating the future of america, perhaps something for republican voters to contemplate as well. former vice president mike pence also likely to make a decision soon is. his supporters launched a superpac this week. aishah: i admit, i was one of those people who thought that glenn youngkin was going to wait, so thank you, alex, for that update. tomorrow on "fox news sunday," shannon bream has an exclusive interview with republican senator ted cruz and democratic senator jack green. check your local list listings for time and channel, and howie kurtz diving into the deep media divide over the durham report and the hour-by-hour coverage of debt ceiling talks. that is tomorrow at 11 a.m. eastern. griff: shocking new video out of iowa shows a driver flooring the gas with a policeman clinging

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>> shut the [bleep] car -- >> [inaudible] >> stop it! stop the car! >> reporter: very intense moments there. despite the officer's demands, police dash cam video shows the suspect speed off of with mccarthyty on the hood of the vehicle as hay a pass through an intersection. fortunately, he didn't run into anybody. the suspect keeps going as mccarty clings to the hood of the car. the suspect takes a sharp urn the, pause a moment, you can see that driver moving forward and then just go ahead and take a look at that. he's driving if you look at the right-hand side of your screen, there's a train there. you see that officer just, the suspect just with turn to the left there, just dangerous. another squad car shows the moment the suspect hit a ditch. on the left side of the screen you can see mccarty's body camera video shake. he suffered a broken back after he was thrown from the vehicle, but mccarty did not give up on this pursuit. he then urges the officers to

keep chasing the suspect. >> i'm okay, man, go get him. i'm all right! >> you goodsome. >> go get him. >> reporter: now, this video merged after it was used during a hearing for the suspect, 29-year-old dennis guiden jr. of chicago. he was sentenced to up to 5 years in prison after pleading guilty to a felony charge of serious injury by vehicle for this march 2021 incident. crazy stuff there. eastern irish oh, my god. incredible and that left turn, that just gave me the shivers. christina coleman, thanks for walking us through that. incredible. >> reporter: thank you. griff: now to the southern border where thousands of migrants are being released into the u.s. to ease the crowding in border facilities. some without count dates and some with court appearances years down the road. dan springer is in el paso, texas, live with the latest. hey, dan.

>> reporter: hey, griff. a even though it's relatively calm here, a lot of people you talk to feel like this is potentially a very dangerous time, a period where not only for the people who are still in mexico and lots of folks still there wanting to come into the u.s., but also potentially for law enforcement on this side of the border. make no mistake, migrants are still getting into the u.s. illegally post-title 42, but typically in smaller groups like this one in new mexico. experts say we're in sort of a feeling-out period as the migrants and cartels adjust to some of the new rules under title 8. most do not expect the relative lull to continue. >> i find it hard to the imagine that last week when combat malln ares going through their countrd say, shucks, we can't do it. right? so the process goes from asylumming maybe not asylum seek ising, but now evading apprehension and detection. >> reporter: so that

desperation he's talking about raises the danger. in the san diego sector last week, border patrol agents were shot at twice, one time while they were helping a 4-year-old boy who was injured and just left by whoever helped him across the border. luckily, no one was hit in either incident. the border patrol is warning migrants to avoid all waterways like irrigation canals. they just rescued a family of five in one this week. this time of year the water can rise rapidly as water is released from reservoirs in new mexico, so one minutest it's okay to be in there, the next minute it's not. other migrants are being left in awful conditions, in stash houses. 28 migrants found in one here tuesday. yesterday texas governor greg abbott took the credit for securing the border. >> we've deployed more nationall guard, than ever before in the history of the state. more than a thousand texas department of public safety troopers, they have turned back tens of thousands of people who are trying to cross the border

illegally. together just texas law enforcement alone have seized enough deadly fentanyl to kill every man, woman and child in the entire united states of america. >> reporter: and, of course, because so much about this border is political, the biden administration is also claiming credit for the lower numbers than expected post-title 42. they're saying that new rules under title 8 are what's really driving these numbers down, things like the 5-year ban on coming back and claiming asylum if you're caught trying to get into this country illegally. griff? griff: dan, just quickly, because that's juarez, mexico, over your shoulder behind you, that hill. it just dawns on me, is anyone talking about the fact that we're getting cooperation from mexico, and that has not been the case in the better part of the last two years? any indication if the mexican officials are continuing to try and slow migrants from coming

across? >> reporter: getting a little more help from mexico and also from other governments. they're sending some of these repatriation flights all the way down into guatemala, so more cooperation there. the biden administration is trying to get that cooperation that's imperative, of course, to being able to get people who come into the country illegally back to where they came from, griff. griff: dan springer live in el paso, thank you. great stuff. aishah: president biden and other g7 members sending a a pretty united and strong message to china about the economic risks of bullying behavior in his -- asia and around the world. we're going to dig into that a little bit closer next. ♪is j ♪ try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. learn more at boost.com/tv >> woman: why did we choose safelite? we were loading our suv when... crack! safelite came right to us, and we could see exactly when they'd arrive

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aishah: national security adviser jake sullivan echoing what the g7 leaders mentioned, looking to strengthen and diversify supply chains instead of just is relying on a single country for all its vital resources. for minnesota on this, we -- for more on this, we bring in the senior vice president of research at the foundation for defense of democracy. so, jonathan, thanks for joining us. i do want to get your take on this big moment, it seems, where all these g7 countries finally come together and they say this: we will foster resilience to economic coercion. it's the first time i think they're saying the word coercion. is this significant or is it just words? >> i think it's significant. i think after years of the united states trying to reinforce the principle that china is now a rising power and an aggressive one and not necessarily aligned with the u.s.-led global order, i think the g7 countries and, of course,

there are a number of others at the table right now, have finally realized that this is a serious moment. i think after four years of trump, two years of biden, i think it's a bipartisan win, actually, to some extent, right? these countries now understand this is the new direction of american foreign policy. we are going on the countering chinese hama line behavior, and they a-- chinese malign behavior, and hay appear to be finally onboard. i think the big question is what because this mean practically, how do we actually craft policies -- ashley: -- aishah: right. we'll wait to see what happens with that. i know you're watching this closely, the chinese are watching these debt ceiling talks very closely. how much does that matter, that we get our own house in order? because china's ramping -- watching this ready to take advantage of the situation. >> oh, yeah. you've got to, you have to acknowledge here that we don't look like we're ready to the lead when we look like we're on the brink of default. and i think the chinese are trying to take advantage of

this. they want to point out the kind of mess that we have here right now, and so i think that's another reason for us to solve the crisis. hopefully quickly, and hen move on to trying to -- then move on to trying to lead the global order to combat china's rise. aishah: they're calling in debts now, instead try to, like, pay their debt. back here at home the very, very bipartisan new china committee, competition committee, held a prime time hearing this week. and chairman gallagher took specific aim at american companies that are still investing in china, that still cobusiness with china. and he says american businesses shouldn't be complicit in the ccp's ongoing genocide. that's a pretty strong statement. is he on point here? >> he's 100% on point, and i think this committee is doing incredible work. i think it's starting to focus the minds of americans, it's the also putting pressure on

countries abroad that have been working closely with the chinese. the real problem though is, you know, while we are launching this effort to engage with allies all around the world to decouple from china or to derisk, we don't look particularly good when our companies are engaging with them and still doing significant business. so we're going to have to lead by example. i hear it everywhere i go around the world, hey, you guys are still neck deep in china, why are you asking us to put distance? aishah: but what is it going to take, jonathan? i don't know if folks at home have seen this, but this apple engineer, right, takes off with a bunch of apple's source code for automation, the self-driving cars, and gets away with it, gets -- hops on a flight late at night and goes back to china. what is it going to the take? i mean, how many times does this kind of stuff need to happen before companies like apple wake up? >> we're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars of theft of intellectual property over the years. some people call it the greatest

transfer of wealth in history. and and so we know that the fbi and the department of justice are tracking this stuff very carefully, but we're going to have to put tougher policies in place. i think there needs to be retribution to china when they engage in this kind of activity. they've been getting away with it for far too long. i think this committee is an important step, but i think we're going to have to see additional steps, maybe executive action from the president as well. aishah: well, first, the president has to the make a phone call to xi, actually get xi on the phone. we'll watch it. thank you, jonathan, for joining us. griff? griff: we've got more on that story you mentioned, the biden administration is looking into employees who are engaging in economic espionage and jeopardizing national security by turning over trade scents to america's adversaries like china. correspondent gillian turner has the details. >> reporter: jus is disdepartment has charged a former apple software engineer with stealing the company's technology for self-driving cars and says he planned to share it with a chinese competitor.

the doj official officials you've seen here demonstrating that technology for his new company. a doj source confirms he worked at apple from 2016-2018. part of biden administration's task force to combat economic espionage. >> it's china, russia, iran, north korea. >> reporter: republicans say this effort is too little, too late from the biden administration. >> they've been more interested in saying americans are a threat to america than china is a threat to america. >> reporter: former president trump's justice department launched the china initiative which faced heavy criticism from democrats and was shut down last february amid accusations of stoking anti-asian bias. former trump officials insist that was a mistake as china is playing the long game. >>s the not an exaggeration to say that the chinese communist party has been waging an economic war against the united states for decades. >> reporter: now national security experts warn that stolen technology for things like autonomous cars could be

used against america on the battlefield. >> you don't want this technology in the wrong hands where it's being used to either enhance another, a country's military or to degrade the united states' military. >> reporter: they say the task force's challenge is to catch these on u.s. soil. >> the likelihood of getting them later where there's no extradition from places like russia, china or iran is basically nonexistent. >> reporter: that former apple engineer managed to flee the u.s. is -- the same night the fbi searched his home and is now back in china where it's highly unlikely he will ever face prosecution. gillian turner, fox news. aishah: the man accused of the grisly murders of four idaho college students now set to be in court monday. we're going to tell you what to expect next. ♪ ♪

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>> well, he's going to the obviously plead not guilty to the crimes he's been indicted for on monday. then what will happen is almost certainly the judge will set another date for the lawyers to come back to discuss any open items involving witnesses or any discovery that they still want to ache and possibly it's the possible on monday they may even set a tentative trial date. of course, trial dates are always subject to, again, the process and what evidence has been, you know, still uncovered, how much time the defense needs, in their rue, to build a case to defend against the district attorney's case here. so, yeah, i think in some ways money is not a -- monday is not a huge event other than a timetable that we can look down the chessboard as to the what's going to play out in this case going forward. griff: and we know there are some key pieces of evidence we are likely to see. we've got about five of them, or really the one that stands out is, of course, we understand that they didn't get the k-bar style knife they believe was

used, but they did get the sheath. what can you tell us about that or any of the other pieces of evidence we may see? >> well, you know, a whole -- a lot of evidence was turned over to the defense lawyers last week according to reports, and the question really is, griff, what does i all this mean? there's one critical began, as i see it, in the prosecution's case so far as best as we can tell from public reports, and that is what would cause bryan kohberger to do what he did or at least what he's alleged to have cone. a lack of motive really stands out here. their building a very strong circumstantial case to say, welk there's some evidence that he was there at the relevant time, his car was on film around the place of the murders. they have that kind of circumstantial evidence, but at the end of the day the government wants to win a conviction with a jury, and usually when a case relies entirely on circumstantial evidence which is the case so far, guess what? if they're going to want to understand why he did what he is

alleged to have done. that does not appear to be available right now. and if i were the district attorney, if i were the prosecutors, i'd be laser focused on trying to piece together a motive as to why he did what he did because it's such, you know, it's such a heinous crime here, you really would like to the understand what would prompt someone to do this. griff: there's so much we don't know. we don't have the murder weapon. we don't know the motive. we were showing just a moment ago, mark, the residence where this grisly murders happened, and i understand they're boarding that up, and it looks like, you know, for obvious reasons this home will be likely destroyed. but yet some are saying, hey, wait a minute, not so fast. what if the jury should want to go to the scene of the crime? how important is that, preserving that crime scene at least until the trial is over? >> oh, i think if you're the government, you have to preserve all the evidence including, of course, the place where these

murders took place. the last thing you want is for, if you're a prosecutor at least, is for a defense attorney to be able to stand up in front of a jury and say why did the government allow this critical piece of evidence, i.e., the location, to be destroyed? what are they trying to hide? that would be kind of a compelling argument that a defense attorney could potentially make. certainly if i were the government in idaho, i would be very careful of making sure nothing was destroyeded because the last thing you want to do in a class that looks relatively strong right now is to do anything that that to the undercut it by making it look like you're hiding something. if a juror feels like the government is not being honest with the jury, if they're hiding evidence, boy, you know, that is the sort of thing where a jury would say, look, we don't feel comfortable -- and if the government is hiding one thing, what else are they hiding from us? boy, you know, that's the kind of situation where a strong case could become a losing case really fast. griff: we shall see what happens monday morning. it'll be very interesting to the

watch. mark smith, thank you very much. have a good weekend. >> thanks, griff request. aishah: breaking here, let's take you live to the america university, this is the washington college of law, and you can see there that is supreme court associate justice ketanji brown jackson. she has just begun addressing graduates in a commencement speech. jackson is biden's first nominee, of course, for supreme court and has been serving now since last february. she also made history as the first black woman to sit on the highest court. she will be at boss on the university for -- boston the university for their commencement tomorrow as well. griff: meanwhile, excitement is building for millions of americans ready to soak is up some sun concern -- soak up some sun and maybe waves as coastal communities prepare for the unofficial start of the summer beach season. you're looking live there at south carolina. we'll take you there next. ♪ ♪

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aishah: well, is it beach season yet? i think so, right? the folks at folly beach think so. you can see people just enjoying the weekend in south carolina, out on the pier, in the sand. americans trying to get the jump-start on their summer fun. brandy campbell is live in isle of palms, south carolina is, with a whole lot more. you've got your hong sleeves on because of the sun, but the sun

didn't come out. [laughter] >> reporter: yeah, yeah. it fooled me today. you know what? i'm prepared for another day, we'll just say that. it is a beautiful day to be the out on the beach here. as you can see, a lot of people agree with that statement. hundreds of people out here on the beach. this is one of the fife beach towns -- five beach towns or barrier islands along the charleston coast. it's a warm but also kind of cool day out here, but most importantly, it's a dry one, no rain. however, we do have a cold front coming down this way to south carolina. that's going to bring in some rain tomorrow, going into monday. so good thing everybody's here today. now, i do want to share with you guys we are exploring beaches across america this week on fox weather, so let's, you know, get into why this beach is so special. first of all, everyone says this is such a tight-knit community here on this island. it's also a great beach if you want to go surf,. not many right now because it is low tide, but earlier tons of surfers if.

i'm also told it's one of the only islands in this area with a full grocery store. i'm pointing it out. now, with summer around the corner, beaches are getting more visitors as you can see. one couple, they just moved here, and they are excited to the take advantage of this beach. >> very excited. i think we love the beach even in the spring, but the her 's going to be great. love the weather and, like she said, there's so many things to do. you can surf, walk your dog or just lay out. >> reporter: how does i your dog enjoy it? i've seen a lot of them jumping in the water. >> yeah, she does that. she loves licking the jellyfish and jumping in the water. >> reporter: all right. hope to see you all on the beach soon. back to you. aishah: i've been to folly beach only during a hurricane and new year's eve. i need to get out there actual summer. thank you so much, brandy. >> reporter: yeah, you do. all right. all right. griff: we'll be right back, one more hour to go. with carbsteady

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♪ >> the gop presidential field coming into clearer focus with south carolina senator tim scott throwing his hat into the ring, filing his paperwork to enter the 2024 race, scott joining a number of other republicans who have declared their own candidacy. we will look at that coming up