handling the biden family, or handling the biden family with kid gloves while improperly spying on everyday americans, just how many times did the fbi surveil americans? it's shocking, and we will tell you this hour. >> sandra: plus, sharks attacking in florida days before the unofficial start of summer. one victim was not even in the water when it happened. we'll ask a leading shark expert if it could mean a dangerous summer beach season. >> john: and no, it was not the guy grabbing the shark by the tail. and bud light bleeding. sales down the fifth straight week after the campaign with the transgender influencer. is it leaving everyone with a bad after taste. john roberts in washington, that has to count as the single most expensive can of beer in history. >> sandra: i think that's fair to say at this point. might even be fact. i'm sandra smith in new york.

all that on tap for you. all new at 2:00. first this fox news alert. >> john: president biden back on u.s. soil after the g7 in japan, debt negotiations are at a standstill. >> the president cutting his trip short to deal with this crisis at home, and seemingly downplaying china's threat to national security before he departed asia. >> and then this silly balloon that was carrying two freight cars worth of spying equipment was flying over the united states and it got shot down, and everything changed. >> sandra: saying he gave beijing a win on the world stage. gillian turner is live on the north lawn at the white house for us. gillian, what are the president's advisors saying about all of this? >> well, his national security advisor, jake sullivan, took to

the airwaves over the weekend to hit back against this criticism from folks who say that biden's decision to cut his international trip short really gave china a quick easy win on the world stage by making the u.s. somehow seem unreliable. take a listen. >> we are producing a set of outcomes under american leadership, under president biden's leadership on china, on clean energy, on the war in ukraine, on pushing back against economic coercion, on protecting our most sensitive technologies. it's actually quite historic set of outcomes. >> president biden in japan appeared to downplay the threat that china poses to the united states, not just the infamous spy balloon but economically as well. listen. >> we are not looking to decouple from china, we are looking to derisk and diversify our relationship with china. that means taking steps to diversify our supply chains,

resisting economic coercion together. >> republicans say president biden has it all wrong, they say it's his soft approach toward the chinese president that has led to the current standoff. >> when you project weakness this is what you get. you invite aggression. so now our foreign nation adversaries, russia, china, iran, north korea, are him. the spy balloon was china bullying the united states. >> well, china has now responded to the president's comments in japan yesterday. they question whether what he is saying has any sincerity, that's a quote, or any significance. pretty low blow. back to you. >> sandra: very interesting. gillian turner, thank you. john. >> john: this isn't just my story, it's all of our stories.

every single one of us are here because of the american journey. where there were obstacles that became opportunities. >> john: senator tim scott announcing his bid for the gop presidential nomination billing himself as an optimist and reintroducing him to the nation as the embodiment of the american dream, but not flying with some ladies on "the view" who just had to invoke clarence thomas. >> i don't know who his message is supposed to resonate with, actually. he's talking about victim hood and personal responsibility. >> i think one of the issues that tim scott has is that he seems to think because i made it, everyone can make it. ignoring again the fact that he is the exception and not the rule. and until he is the rule -- >> he has -- >> then he can stop talking about -- >> clarence thomas syndrome, that's what it is. >> john: the republican field more crowded and diverse with

scott's entrance. we expect florida governor ron desantis to announce later this week. byron york and a fox news contributor, so, he starts off with i would think a pretty solid launch. he was more animated than i have ever seen him, bob and i were talking about that, john thune behind him and $22 million. >> $22 million. >> john: ain't that bad. >> a lot from larry ellison, the computer tech guy. north charleston, south carolina. if you watched him over the years he is very animated on the stump. so, this was kind of tim scott you would see when he was campaigning for marco rubio in the 2016 presidential campaign. a lot of republicans are very well disposed toward tim scott, they like him. but this is the kind of candidacy not just going to burst on the polls and all of a sudden he'll be in second place

next week. it's the kind of candidacy that you visit iowa a lot, and good news, good word starts spreading around. i don't think any of the ladies of "the view" live in iowa, and they say good things about you and after a while you just start rising in the most important first contest. that's how this will happen if it does for tim scott. >> john: we choose nominees state by state, don't do it nationally. but the national polls have got him at a significant disadvantage. according to the real clear politics average, i have up here, trump leads desantis by 37 points. tim scott is at 1.8 in the real clear politics average. the good news about that is you've got nowhere to go but up from there. but you know, it is -- it's a big hill to climb. >> i was looking at the real clear politics average from march 1st on, trump's lead is getting bigger and bigger and

bigger, and 37 points over the next closest competitor, governor desantis. it's a crazy huge lead. but of course, desantis is not even in the race yet, and a lot of things are going to happen, and polls are always, always just a snapshot of what's happening right now, they are not a prediction of anything that's going to happen. >> john: what the dnc said about tim scott in the race, he wants to govern from the proud conservative right as a proud member of the tea party and his extreme record proves it. he was a fierce advocate of the maga agenda, abortion bans and end medicare and social security as we know them. clearly the dnc is terrified of this guy. >> and most republicans in congress supported the trump agenda, that's the way -- he was a republican president, they were republican lawmakers, they supported the trump agenda. so now basically i think you are seeing the dnc attacking, they attack desantis a lot, they'll

attack any new candidate just in case their target, donald trump, is not the nominee. >> john: real quick, what do you make of the tweet by the naacp, aimed at desantis in florida. under the leadership of desantis, state of florida is hostile to black americans and in direct conflict with the ideas the union was found on. not lost on us that leon russell lives in tampa. seems to like florida. >> this was in the form of a "travel advisory," advising black americans not to travel in florida, or to be very, very careful if they do. the extraordinary thing, i looked this up. the extraordinary thing is even as the naacp is warning black americans not to travel to florida, thousands of black americans are moving to florida every year. it's been quite a few in the last decade just like all other

americans who seem to be moving to florida. >> john: maybe it's ok to move there, don't travel there. >> they have chosen to live there and they know who the governor is. >> john: including the compare man of the naacp. good to see you. >> thank you. >> how does a large republican field affect the president's campaign strategy? >> you know, i don't think it does at all. the president is strong, but we are going to run on a message where we have been taking care of working families across to country and we are going to continue to live up to our promises to them. >> sandra: so that was senator tammy duckworth, co-chair of the president's re-election campaign and says he's going strong but dig into some of the brand-new polling out there, particularly when it comes to the economy and how this president is polling on that overall 33% approval rating. of course, when you break it down by democrat, 61%, majority of democrats approve of his handling of your money. republicans, 6%. obviously this is something that is of note for the campaign when

you have 76% describing things as poor, but there is that partisan split on how people feel about his handling of the money issues that are out there. also see how the debt ceiling debate plays out and how the polling changes. the president's campaign just released the first strategy memo, and it is quite revealing where the ad buys are, boasting viable pathways to 270 electoral votes, team biden is dropping a seven figure early ad buy in blue swing states, including michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, and you can see the other states, the campaign is highlighting wisconsin where abortion rights swung the state supreme court left. democrats think it's a sign the social and culture issues will help biden in some of the perennial swing states and count more than the economy. but finally, one editorial in

"the new york post" pointing out biden is a fool to ignore r.f.k., jr. at least three polls have him up around 20%, john. and obviously that is not to be ignored this far out still from the presidential election. >> john: that's true, but you know, as we pointed out, in one of our panels, biden still has 62% which ain't half bad. >> sandra: this is true. >> john: a lot to chew over between now and next january, and then from january on through the primary season and then into november, it's going to be a lot of fun. >> sandra: absolutely. >> john: bud light now facing backlash from all sides over the controversial transgender mistake, i guess you could say? it's hurting the company's bottom line big time. plus, who is really at fault as the country nears its first-ever default? president biden with his

thoughts about the debt ceiling drama coming up. >> on the merits based on what i've offered, i would be blameless. on the politics of it, no one would be blameless. >> john: and the whole standoff is doing real damage to our economy. our panel coming up with more on that. veteran homeowners, what if you could save a lot of money every month by paying off your car loan and paying off your high rate credit card debt and still have cash left over to put in the bank? with the newday 100 va cash out loan, you could do it all. take out an average of $70,000 with no upfront fees, no upfront appraisal fees, termite inspection or water test fee. because a veteran shouldn't have to come up with money to get money.

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one can of bud light with dylan mulvaney's image on it, how much is it facing busch? >> sixth week of double digit sales declines, dollar figure, lost almost $110 million this year because of this bud light drama. it's angered both sides of the aisle after it sent the personalized beer cans to dylan mulvaney and then largely silent. now the largest lgbtq+ organization is giving anheuser busch an ultimatum. tell us where you stand as a company on gay or transgender rights or you lose your perfect score on the best places to work list. no official response from anheuser busch yet, there are hints it might revert back to the more traditional roots. it's selling special cans for veterans, and even for the 120th anniversary of harley davidson. and it's doing so ahead of the

busy beer drinking summer season. a former anheuser busch executive says it's about the messaging. >> it's water, barley, hoops, what sets it apart is the messaging and every single week the sales numbers are reported and worse and worse every week, so i see this continuing to drag on until bud light makes a comment about what they stand for and what customers they are going to serve. >> yeah, it's just tip toed around where it stands on identity politics issues and is seen frankly as out of touch by all sides involved. >> john: one single can of beer, $110 million: i -- i think, lauren, that counts as the most expensive can of beer in history. >> yeah, and unofficial campaign, if you will, sent to an influencer.

>> sandra: and we are waiting whatever will come from president biden and mccarthy meeting, about three hours from now, try to get the debt ceiling talks back on track, default could be catastrophic but even long damage even if we narrowly avoid it. warmed up and ready to go, i know you were talking about this last hour. we have breaking news on the hill just now, mccarthy was walking the hallways, he stopped, talked to some reporters for a split second. what he said i will just tell our viewers. he said that nothing has been agreed to in negotiations with biden on the u.s. debt ceiling. that would indicate, take away from you what you think of that, no progress yet. he also said the debt ceiling deal must be reached to get it through congress before june 1st. this week. >> and that echos comments we

heard from goldman sachs saying the cash could be extended to june 8th or nine, but they agree you have to get it done, you can't just get it done on the x date, there are some other approvals you have to go through. time is of the essence. we have been talking about this and people at home think oh, the debt ceiling does not apply to me. the reputation of the country is on the line. you never want to be putting this stuff into question about if we can pay our debts or not. so i agree, brian, i'll let you weigh in, you have to get it done to get the approvals in place before the debt payments are due. >> what i don't like, biden is already going to don't blame me. he said i'm blameless, don't blame me. that is false. he is the president of the united states. if anybody owns this, it is him. it is his spending that has stood in the way of getting this done. he has not come to the table, not been active on this. mccarthy is obviously still negotiating right now, but president biden simply has not done his job on the debt ceiling. they don't have to default, we have cash coming in, you can close parts of the government

but the fact is he is imperilling an already weak banking system and economy by not coming to the table in good faith on spending. >> i want to be careful not to create too much drama around this. but you remember back in 2011 when we were downgraded from aaa to aa plus i believe it was, not because of the ability to pay, but the willingness to pay. the willingness for people to come together to negotiate to avoid the game of chicken, avoid the drama, these people should be locked in a room until they get it done, that's how important it is, for the reputation. it's not about the ability, we can pay. it's the willingness of our country to come together and find a solution. >> sandra: all right. we are still getting some breaking news in here. bear with me for just a second, all coming out of capitol hill right now. mccarthy says it is possible to get a debt ceiling deal as soon as monday night, tonight, or

tuesday. now, that makes me very hopeful that they are coming together, allegation different than no deal. >> you don't want to say that and then not get it so they must be pretty close on something. i want to know the details. are we really going to get the spending cuts and the caps that we want to see in this, or are we going to get a mish-mash raise ceiling and tax increases. president biden said he wanted tax increases. the economy cannot handle tax increase. i hope they don't do a bad deal just to get a deal. mccarthy has the leverage, he should be pressing here, very curious the deal tonight. >> sandra: a deal as soon as tonight. play this out, mccarthy earlier today in his own words on inflation and the havoc it has wreaked on the country. >> since the democrats took over and the president, they have spent too much money. $6 trillion almost. taken us well beyond the 50 year average where we only normally

spend 21% of gdp. we are over 24%, on the way to 25. it has created inflation, it's caused havoc. >> sandra: i want to get to what this means for everyone's money at home. we just talked about 2011, and sort of the havoc that ensued after that household wealth after the 2011 debt ceiling standoff took a huge hit, $2.4 trillion household wealth took, according to the u.s. treasury department. so, what's at stake here? >> it is all inflationary. you heard tim scott say when he was announcing his presidential bid as well, an administration that is spending and taxing to the effect that even the san francisco federal reserve, mary daley came out this morning and said all of the wage gains, the raises that we have fought so hard for, that we have gotten to, have been totally wiped out because inflation has been higher. so if you are sitting at home and thinking about balancing your budget when washington can't balance its budget. you're trying to live in your

means, but your prices keep going up. >> the other dimension is the banks. banks are in tough shape right now. the last thing they need is question marks about the u.s. >> sandra: not the big banks. which banks are we talking about? >> the hundreds and hundreds of banks people use, around communities. the last thing they need is another question mark on this. that's what they are getting, and that could mean recession if credit is pulled way back. that's where you hit people at home they say how is my job doing. can i borrow, spend, i don't know. and the president doesn't know. >> sandra: a lot of breaking news there, we'll keep watching. a lot out of capitol hill hour by hour. >> john: with memorial day just around the corner, many americans are gearing up for summer travel. transportation secretary pete buttigieg with a warning to the airlines in hopes of avoiding yet another travel flightmare. >> sandra: two people bitten by sharks in florida this week

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>> john: and washington, d.c., chipotle order turning violent. a man is trying to steal food and when confronted, throwing ingredients and even the cash register at an employee. police are offering for a $1,000 reward for his capture. >> sandra: the summer travel season is around the trying, the biden administration is trying to avoid another flightmare, after flight delays and cancellations and pete buttigieg says airlines need to step up their schedules ahead of the summer rush. >> to establish more realistic schedules and actively supporting him, but there is a question -- there is always a question whether airlines are properly aligning their schedules they are promising with resources and the staffing they bring to the table. including enough of a buffer to deal with situations that may come up. >> sandra: aaa expects 42

million americans to travel, the unofficial start to the summer travel season. john. >> i tried blocking it with my arm and hand and kind of slipped in and got my finger and my arm, and it like swooped around and got my leg again. >> i've been in the water a very long time, never seen a shark act like this. he wanted me. it was a scary, scary event. >> john: and just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water ahead of memorial day, two of the latest victims speakering out as back-to-back shark attacks in the florida keys are causing serious concern for residents. with beach season around the corner, many people are wondering how they can protect themselves while enjoying summer fun. dr. gavin nayler, program for shark research. let me put up here two shark attacks in the last week, three in the month of may. the first one was may 5th, 22-year-old man was bitten

spearfishing davis reef in the upper keys. may 18, 20-year-old man was bitten spearfishing marathon key, he was 70 feet down at the time, i think that was the fella talking from his hospital room there, and then may 19, 35-year-old man bitten fishing off a dock, caught the shark and had it on the dock but the bite was bad enough he had to be medi-vaced. is this something nefarious going on or just a typical season? >> it's actually fairly typical. all three events are what we classified as provoked bites where, provoked bite is where people indulge in activities that bring the sharks in and make the probability of being bitten higher, and spearfishing is definite way to bring sharks into the area. you spear usually some kind of grouper or fish and they wiggle

on the spear, those low frequency vibrations bring the animals in, they get excited and they often try to steal the fish or can't get the fish they will go for the diver and so spearfishing is one of the activities that really does increase the probability of being bitten by a shark and when you fish for them and they are on the dock and alarmed and frightened and they want to get in the water, they don't have arms to move around, they'll bite you. it's frequent they get bit. >> on the screen beside you is a video of a shark grabbing the shark by the tail and trying to wrestle it to the shore. it's not an advisable activity, i would take it and the video of the fella in the kayak and kayak got attacked by the shark. what florida says about sharks, extremely unlikely for a person to be bitten by a shark in

florida waters and bites are rarely life-threatening. as you point out, when people get in greater proximity to sharks in the summer season, the water warms up, more people in the water, probably have more shark encounters. but just how rare is what we have been seeing compared to the number of people who use the water? >> it's a tiny fraction of the people that use the water. you have to consider the hundreds of millions of people that come to florida to go to the beaches, to have activities in the water. these are very rare events and they happen in close proximity because there is more people in the water this time of year. but this is no reason for people to avoid coming to florida because you know, your chances are getting bit by a shark is high, no, that's not the case. it's a fairly typical year, actually, and these three events are what we classified as provoked bites. but in general, we usually see

perhaps another 20 or so bites over between now and august would be a fairly typical year. so it's not anything out of the ordinary. >> hopefully people will take steps to minimize the statistic. we need a bigger boat for this one. there is a massive great white shark off the coast of south carolina, it weighs 1200 pounds, nicknamed iron bound because first tagged off the coast of the west iron bound island in nova scotia, last year it was in new jersey, and now south carolina waters. traveled 15,000 miles since it was tagged. we don't believe it has hurt anybody yet, should people be worried it's cruising off the coast of the carolinas? >> no, not at all. white sharks, there's a corridor they move up and down the coast of the united states, they move down from canada all the way down past long island, down

through the carolinas, down to florida, and back up again, and 1200 pounds is a good size white shark but they get twice that size. so it's probably a teenager, i'm guessing. and yeah, it's not unusual, it's pretty nice that we've got these sharks in the water. it suggests that there's food for them to feed and the waters are reasonably healthy. so, they're impressive any time you see white sharks, they are large animals but there's nothing to be worried about. we have very few bikes from white sharks on the east coast. >> john: large animals and to quote monty python with big nasty teeth. so, best to stay away from those. good to catch up with you. if you ever see a great white shark, stay away. you know what's interesting, i've covered so many hurricanes, nobody on the beaches but walk

on the piers to get the idea what the weather is like, and i was in the carolinas and walked out on the pier and looked down there was a shark swimming in the water, and i wondered if the folks swimming on the beach before the call to evacuate knew there were sharks in the water. >> you should just assume. i regret calling the poor thing a monster, it would look like it if you came up on it. 1200 pounds. >> john: and good swimmer, 15,000 miles it has clocked since tagged in 2019. >> sandra: incredible. we will watch the sharks along the coast. new trouble for the fbi. how they misused a powerful surveillance tool to spy on everyday americans. >> john: house speaker kevin mccarthy thinks the bureau will finally cooperate with the gop probe not biden family and give

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judge said there needed to be changes as problems persist. section 202, to digitally surveil without a court order. we know the fbi used the tool connected with civil unrest following the death of george floyd, and those in and around the capitol attack in 2021, even political donors. federal intelligence officials are telling congress to please reup section 702 in the name of safety. members of congress have the ball in their court with mixed opinions. >> there have been dozens of reforms ma i had over the course of the last year or so to address those issues and again, they have been made by well-intentioned people who have been in many cases following procedures and protocols and policies that aren't necessarily appropriate and i think we button those things up. >> her democratic colleague,

jerry nadler does not agree with that, he says i will oppose the reauthorization of the authority. inquiries dropped 90%, but republicans and democrats coming together in a bipartisan way to really say that they have a lot of concerns about this. because 200, over 250,000 times, john. >> john: 278,000 times, that's extraordinary. do we know, david, do we know, were there any occasions where parents who were involved in these school board meetings might have been surveilled? >> you know, we don't, and it's a fair question. that was all happening in 2021 at the height of the covid pandemic. we just know this was 2021 into 2022, but as you can bet, there will be hearings, more information. document made public on friday. it's a fair question to ask if

some parents may have been involved. >> john: more investigation as there rightfully should be. sandra. >> sandra: house speaker kevin mccarthy expressing confidence the fbi will finally give congress the whistleblower file that reportedly details biden's role in taking bribes from foreign countries when he was vice president. >> i explained to the director we will do everything in our power and we have the jurisdiction over the fbi, that we have the right to see this document. i believe after this call we will get this do you want. >> sandra: joining us now, john levine, thank you for joining us. what can you tell us? is this going to happen? >> we have to wait and see but this is the big one, potentially. this document is the most important potential development in the enter hunter biden-joe biden case that we have seen so far and we have been on it many years now. you can have james comer and

chuck grassley and they cannot tell you about a specific crime they committed. we can talk about hunter biden and $10 million from sources, but no crime on joe biden yet. this document alleges a criminal scene, foreign bribery in exchange for a favorable policy decision. if that's true, it would be a significant escalation in everything we are talking about right now. it's a big one if it's real. >> sandra: the fbi is already over a week late, we'll see if it happens. what would it reveal about the biden scheme? >> you know, i kind of feel sometimes with house and senate republicans it's like wiley coyote and the road runner, saying we have him this time and does not materialize, so i want to see what the underlying document shows and the there there is, but the first time pinning potentially specific crimes on joe biden, a major escalation. >> sandra: you mentioned james comer, we have had him on the program, and he's out there, and

he says they have evidence for the influence peddling. and whether the fbi will hand him the document he needs to investigate the president. listen. >> this is one of the most serious accusations i think has ever been leveled against any political leader in the history of our country. and for the fbi to act like well, we don't know, we can't talk to you about this, just trust us, i mean, this allegation happened a long time ago and the fbi has done nothing. >> sandra: that's really important. a lot of criticism about christopher wray, head of the fbi, and his handling of these allegations. here is miranda devine earlier on just that. >> christopher wray never shows any ruffled feathers about any of the oversight or any of the criticism. his job when he was appointed by president trump was to try and restore the faith in the fbi

that had been lost through james comey's antics. instead he's done the opposite. things have gone from bad to worse under him. >> sandra: do you believe others see it the same, bad to worse? >> what's clear, there is very little confidence in chris wray at the fbi and the earlier reporters of hundreds of thousands of people improperly surveilled, comes on the heels of the durham report. since both of those incidences we have seen the fbi handling of the hunter biden investigation, they went out of their way to bury the information on the hard drive and suppressing free speech on twitter. a lot of issues that remain to be uncovered and i think if a republican takes the job in 2024, wray's job would be in serious jeopardy. >> sandra: john. >> john: big news from amazon

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is >> sandra: this just in. jeff bezos officially off the market. exclusively reporting from the "new york post," page 6, reporting that the amazon founder is now engaged to his girlfriend, lauren sanchez. rumors have been swirling for months now. the two first went public in 2019 after his blockbuster divorce. happy for the couple. we've seen them out there a lot. they look in love, john. >> yes, they do.

do we have a picture of the boat that they built? >> sandra: we do. >> john: i guess it's a yacht. it's huge. half a billion dollars. i mean, it's almost as tall as the mountain behind it. that's just perspective. it's a lovely sailing craft. hope they get -- >> sandra: they ended up at the cannes film festival. they've been on there for a while. the time they spent on there has been good. i'll leave it at that. >> john: we wish them well as we head off. >> sandra: there's a few wondering about a possible prenup. we'll see. >> john: who gets the boat if it doesn't work out. maybe we'll find out. >> sandra: the best to them. >> john: meta was hit with a record breaking $1.3 billion fine for violating privacy laws. susan li with fox business live with more. susan? >> i have no idea about prenups. i'll tell you about the e.u.

they want facebook and mark zuckerberg to pay up. meta says the ruling will hurt users. $225 million in penalties. without the ability to transfer data across borders, the internet risks being carved up restricting the global economy and leaving citizens unable to access many shared services that we have come to rely on. e.u. fines are not new to mark zuckerberg's company. they've been ordered to pay $2.5 billion in the last nine months. all four fines for advertising, et cetera. you have amazon ordered to pay $900 million a few years ago accused of scraping user data illegally for its own advertising. amazon around meta have appealed their cases. there's an e.u. data negotiation right now and could speed up the implementation in the next six

months. if approved tech companies like meta, google and amazon will be able to transfer data. >> john: thank, susan. thank you, a huge fine. no doubt about that. and sandra, that brings us to the end of our first show this week. >> sandra: a wrap for monday? i'm sandra smith. >> john: i'm john roberts. i'll be in for bill hemmer. >> sandra: i'll be in for neil tonight. >> martha: thanks, guys. good afternoon. i'm martha maccallum. today a story exclusive with marine veteran daniel penny's attorney. penny is breaking his silence over the weekend after he was charged in the choke hold death of jordan neely. what will his defense look like? we'll talk about that. also pete hegseth and karl rove as republicans try t