call me. i am waters and this is my wor world. >> good evening and welcome to and welcome to fox news tonight, i'm trey gowdy, thank you for joining us . senator tim scott joins us on his big announcement. >> that's straight ahead. but first, elections have consequence and so do the policies which emanate from those elections. when joe biden took office, he ordered an end to the trump administration's remain in mexico policy. remain in mexico means asylum seekers wait for their claims to be processed on that side of the border. >> rather than wait here in

the united states . the consequence of that changenc policy, nearly six million migrants cross the southern border, but you should notould b be surprised. >> he said he would do it.3 4 f the idea that a country of three hundred thirty million people cannot absorb peoplet who are in desperate need and who are justifiably fleeingg oppression is absolutely bizarre.sion absolutely bizarre. >> so not only can you cross the border unlawfully, president biden has a list of other crimes. he doesn't has a think are seris enough to warrant deportation and removal. normallyt of oth, migrants are d entering the united states unlawfully. they're processed for deportation. and but if you allege a credible fear of beingcan remr persecuted or tortured, you can remain here in the u.s., those seeking asylum have to showum hs a well-founded fea tr of

persecution on the basis of their race, religion, nationality, or number of a social or political group. but the hearing is years in the future. sympathy for people seeking a better life, hungering for hope and freedom and opportunity, is embedded in the fabric of this nation. but so too is the rule of law merely reciting words memorized. from a us statute should note wd be enough to jump thoseor those who have waited in line for fo a chance to come to americr a. and economic opportunity is not an asylum claim. ericthe question is , where do you wait your asylum hearing in the u.s. or mexico and how good is the us at detecting fraud in. the asylum process? aand 2008, less than the p five thousand migrantsro claim credible fear 10 years later,n the number increased by nearly two thousand i percent. whatever you think of

the governments in central america, they have not changedm, two thousand percent in 15 years. >> so what has changed the politics of immigration and border security and migration? democrat party, including presidential aspirants, told migrants all over the world they should come. d they >> and they did. nearly a week after title 40 to expired, as many as thirty five thousand people were reportedly waiting on the mexico side of the border to cross intoaiting o cross into the the u.s.. here in el paso, texas, some migrants have been sleeping on the streets as shelters remain at capacity. city officials fear another surge could be coming. cbp says that in april, when title forty two was still policy, there were more than 200 11000 migrant encounters. border patrol agents arrested 16 people on the fbi's terror watch list who were attempting to enter the u.s. illegally. it's raising concerns among lawmakers about who may have crossed the border undetected.

it takes years for asylumma hearing hearings to make the court so wonder. the biden policy, they wait here in the u.s.. last summer, republican governors greg abbott of texas o and ron desantis of florida relocated some migrants to sanctuary cities. >> man, after all, democrat politicians who put their money where their mouth is now. is after taking in tens ofafter thousands of migrants, mantay of these democrats, like eric adams of new york , are mia seeking a very different tune.s, >> we have one hundred and eight thousand cities, villages, towns, if everyones. takes a small portion of thatven and if it'e s coordinated at the border to ensure that those who are coming here to thisthis country in a lawful manner is actually moved throughout the entire country, it is not a burden on one city in chicago >> ,migrants have taken overicago,m several police stations. rebecca brannoign is an independent journalist. >> she captured all of this

she captured this video you are seeing on yo video you are seeing on yourn an screen. >> and she joins us nowd sh with more. thank you for being here. tell us what you look. there's nothing like eye witness testimony.. >> tell us what you captured, what you saw. well there is, chicago is out of tim, money and space. and that actually came frot m top aides to former mayor lori lightfoot last month. and so now we're seeinnow weg at a hundred migrants arrive per day in chicago being droppedg ab ofouf across the city at various police stations.d and yesterday i visited eight ofof those. and what i saw w was not good.d. living conditions are sustainable. living on top of each other, eating and sleeping off the floor.p h other, some are ill, some have lice. some stations are even dealing with bedbugs. and it's now created a unsustainable situation environment for police officers who are now being taken away from their daily duties. policehaving to deal with crime, whatnot, or dealing with ther dl residents who have to come to the stations because they are now having to act as social workers. socia looking after these individuall. . and again, these stations and officers aren't receiving

an noty aid from the city or the government is , in all my conversations, when i spoke to them. >> yeah, you mentioned resources. i mean, obviously, law enforcement, health care, education. don'an, i don't know a single police officer that went through the academy sot they could wait. omega's, but that's what they're being asked to do. >> and i would assume that thaot would be at the exclusion of doing other things which may be desperately needed in chicago, like actually enforcing the law. >> yeah, some of these officers have personally purchased necessity, like baby wipes>> son and food for these individuals.u cedand again, this humanitarian crisis has now fallen on our police officers, our community members and residents who aren'tn on receiving that ad from the city. cities like chicago who have advocated for being a sanctuary city. all right. sa so it's havingnc a n impact on onmpac cities like chicago and new york and others. >> i assume it's also not very pleasant conditions for for vermigrants. me to this

i mean, i understand people wanting to come to this country. i understand tha countryt even s not warranted, not legal, not justified, i do understand it. >> i assume the conditions are not good for them either. you know, it's a mixed bag in speaking with some of these migrants. they are grateful to be here. bt but in speaking with them, it's very clear they they didn't thleeping on aey d police station floor. have no they have absolutely nowhere to go.wheran and everyone i spoke to didn'to have family here. so i they'reno just waiting.in and officers i spoke to said wed don't know what's goingcers sai to happen. could go onis going for t montd and it's unsustainable. these people have nowhere to g o . >> all right.unsustai we talked about what does we ta , for seeking.ylumlked asylum. i want to play something for for you you , then ask you a questionti. on the other side of thi s clip. >> being in venezuela in the current political position is now did they ever feel thatl they were politically or religiously persecuted, especially when it comespoor ree to them applying for asylumg fo here in america? no, nor, no. what you see clicking

on hengshui from the lines, i see back to . so they're saying there's definitely financial insecurity. but as farres as religious orsi political persecution, not so much persopolitican. >> i >> and so i blame the united une states for that. i meand , our law does make allowance allowances for people that that are fleein g persecution, but that does not include economic opportunity. that and what i heard there and , you know, credit to them telling the trutforh, they're ny being persecuted for their religion. they're not being persecuted for their political beliefs. not beingit is economic opport and that is not, as is understand, a law, at least a valid asylum claim. >> yeah,a and i don't blame them either. these migrants, again, i do believe our own governmenteve ot and these cities that have and advocated and pushed for being sanctuary cities pushe have now fostered and helped create this humanitarian crisis. helpeand it's now fallen on oun

police officers, our residents f and community membericers,s who aren't receiving any aid,er again, from the government ors the city. and these migrants are just as confused as you and i. all right. so we we documentednt the increase in those seeking asylum from 2008 and the increase has been exponential. i would assume that there's at least a chance, maybe a reality that after the expiration of the title 42 , those numbers may get even greater and there may be even more of a strainn on on the forces of these municipalities. that already can't afford it.afd >> right. i mean, hundreds are arriving by day in chicago in placesy like new york city. i do know i do knoin chicawgo new york city is constructing right now a place on rikers island to house about seventeene hundred beds there.s an and in chicago, they arethey looking at housing or turningtun a former high school into a place to house migrantse migrs and their community members aret are concerned with what the costs will be for them.

and ultimately the effects it may have on crime already that they're dealing with . >> well, i guess the good news is new york at least found some use for prisons. rebecca brennan, thank you very much for documenting and coming on and sharing with us tonight.. >> thank you for having me.the s the crisis at the border does not stop at the border. the consequences are felt nationwide. and i'm sure a law enforcement believes it's not the law they're enforcing rather than the politics of the currenw theo administration. nothing quitlie like risking your life or somebody else'sou politics. r life >> jonathan fahy is a former acting director of ice and he joins us now. jonathan , thanks so much for being here.r being politicians in the media cannot stop clamoringe a title 40 to.s >> so, so. so let me ask you this. what is leading to the increase in asylum claims?in i mean, we documentecread froms8 up to two thousand twenty three to two thousand four percent increase. >> what's it? well, i thin a 2k you hi00 it in your intro and just your other point. it's alltro. politics.

everyone knows these aren't legitimate asylum claims. by and large . has mad but this administration has made it known that if you come to our border, falsely claim b asylum, you are, in effect, an o american citizen, because once they get here, they get everyn benefit of citizenshipamericanhe and oftentimes more than u.s. citizens. and you were talking earlier t moreabout you get a court dat you know, four or five years down the road, be in newark, new jersey at nine , 30 like that, somehow even remotely serious. it's so laughable. and this administration has no intention of changing because, you know, a lot of and you also made this point very good thate the issue doesn't end at the border like we always talk about the border crisis. . but this that's the manifestation of this immigration problem. which you see in new york . ironically, eric adams brought it to the attention, i think unwittingly. but this is a very expensive problem for all americans . and wherever they go, there's lots o.f lost. hi and you hit on those with the education costs, health care costs and those don't go away.

once people are here,e they remain. and they these burdens remainam on the american citizen. a and there doesn'nd theret seem e anything that is driving thiss administration to change. they talk about things like comprehensive immigration reform is needed, which inthey d effect, is this amnesty plus codified open borders is what they're really saying is just a euphemism, but they're not t changing. >> all right. heotyou're a really good lawyero i need you to help me with the law. let's say you get a court date and you abscond. you don't come.ab't, and and then eventually they find you and you have your asylum hearing. is there any is there any consequence for not honoring your court date?r r blowing for just blowing it off untily e they come and find you ? is there any evidentiary or presumptions that make it it a negative consequence of a negative consequence of not showing up when you're supposed to show up? >> well, it'ot s even better than that, because if they don't show up, this administration has made tp, the it clear they t even go and look for them. so if you don't show up,, yo you you are almost assured they will not find you unless

you are convicted of a very unls serious crime. and then it doesn't matter it d' anyway. so, yeah, they're going to even and then when they get their asylum claim, even if they're ordered deported, they're not immediately just whisked ouy art the door. they'll order they'll be they'll have appeale processes and ofteappealn they'l be ordered to self deport. so the consequenceeds ar te relatively minor, if any. and really, they don't want people to come to court. wan they want to stay. and that's this administration's policies. ant them tthey don't deport any. i think they have deported fifty nine or sixty thousand people last year. and okay, we're bringing inle a, three , four million people a year, most of them illegitimately. so, so doing the math, how do you how do you get all of these people out of here and thisnd tt short answer and the longy ar answer is they're not going to do it and they're not even going to try what you just described as a crisis. >> and the only person in america that doesn't call it that is alemi orcas. and the bad newss for us is he's the one in charge of the border. jonathan , you thank you sog us

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have you ever wondered how defacing a monument will keep the sea levels from rise. yeah. me, me either. but some little anarchists are convinced there's a correlation and fox news trace gallagher joins us to report on the latest act of climate vandalism. >> hmm. good to see you . these climate activists have yet to explain their reasoning ,as you mentioned, exceptei to say they're against fossil fuels. so the theme now appears to be that the best way to save the world is to destroy some oft the world's artistic treasures. the latest example is the attack on rome's historic trevi fountain, where the group ultimate generation, or last generation, jumped into the trevi fountain and poured buckets filled with liquid charcoal, turning the pristine fountain waters black . the protesters say the reason a defaced the trevi is because of the , quote, increasingly the visible impacts of climate change. and they point to the recent beo

devastatinfg floods in northern italy, where heavy rains followed extreme drought and did significant damage. of course, historians inconveniently remind the protesters that the rain drought pattern in northern italy has been happening for thousands of years, maybe millions. the protest was also linked to the world meteorological organization saying the planeter in the next five years is moreos likely than ever to surpass one point five degrees celsius of warming compared to pre-industrial times. not saying it will surpass that temperature, mind you , but saying it's getting likely. is and it's not just the trevi gfountain being targeted. last month, climate protesters it used paint to vandalized degasrd sculpture at the national gallery of art in washington, d.c.. activist have also thrown mashed potatoes at a monet painting in the barberini museum in potsdam, germany. and , of course, climate protesters glued themselves to john constables, the hey wayne painting at the national gallery in london, though we pat should note, we're told nationa the glue was not made from

fossil fuels. finally, the mayor of romede fro is condemning the protest and damage done to the trevi fountain, saying it will coste r thousands of dollars to repair and take several weeks sayinthoa to travel. used to be a source ofnd drinkig water for romans. now, people mostly just toss coins in and make a wish tray. trace gallagher, i'm trying to follow the logic between defacing monuments and your political orthodoxy on climate change. but but i didn't follow. it's not your fault, though. trace gallagher, thank you very much. you bet.e monuments. country is set to reach its borrowing capacity in mere weeks. >> be clear , the debt ceiling has been raised 70 times sincehe 1960. dand raised by both parties and under both republican and democrat presidents. >> sometimes it's raised. without incident and sometimes there'mes its drama. here >> shutdown threats of economic apocalypse. there is one constant. apocalyp the debt limit is always raisesd and the debt and the deficit keep adding up.de how longficit, will the currentt

last and will there be an appetite now or in the future?w to deal with the primary drivers of the debt rather than merelyrivers o the consequencesf those drivers? >> joining us now, the chairman of the house judiciary committee and someone who has consistently been known as a fiscal conservative. jim jordan from the great state of ohio.. welcome to you, chairman. first, give us an update. do you think the government is going to reach its borrowing capacity and if so, what would be the consequences, if any, for most of our viewers? the well, they want to be good, buto but the consequences of continuing to spin like crazying aren't good either. i mean, under joe biden, we've had record spending, have had record inflation, record debt. and he took the positionre clear back on january 12th when speaker mccarthy said , let's start talking. let's start negotiating. ja joe biden took the position. the no, no, no. just give me more money so i i can continue the record spending, record inflation, record debt. and if you don't, i'm just, i am going to say i'm going to take my football and go home and no g

t negotiate at all.gotiat so that is just ridiculous. and two, to speaker mccarthy's credit , we've not in the five v months since january 12th, today, we've not only passed the debt ceiling increase, we passed a bil l to get rid of eighty seven thousand irs agents. we passed a bill to to to pu get in good energy policy. we passed a bill that's enforcing our border immigration enforcement legislation, and we passed a parental bill of rights while pathe senate and the white hous. have done nothing. so i think we're going to get a good agreement in the end because i think the country knows the position.e co speaker mccarthy has takenuntry the house republicans haveen taken is the common sense i position. chairman, i feel a little bit silly having a conversation about about too much spending with jim jordan. you may have been the most fiscally conservative colleague that i had. i mean, anyone who's evetfiscald gift exchange with jim jordanon knows how fiscally conservative you are. knows but much in the time we met invu 1411 a, the debt was 14 trillion and now it's more than doubledoe that. and i do wonder, is there a political appetite foris thera

tackling the drivers of d the debt? >> yeah,rivers o i think there . and i think we're goingt with to start with that with this agreement. speaker mccarthy and house thaa. republicans are committed for the first time that i think in our time in congress. today is the time i've been in congress where we're s actually committed to spending lesspe nex next year than we spt this year. that never happens around this place. it always seems year s to go in justs seems to one direction. if we can if w gee can begi n to reverse that and that's what we're committed to doing, then i think we start to sendnal, w the signal. okaye , now we've made that step. let's look at some of the other drivers of our debt and let's get a handle on that. but let's take that first step, and that is a huge step. if we get it, particularly whene you're thinking about divided government where the democrats control the senateyo and thewe t white house. we just control the house if we're able to actually spend less than we spent in discretionary spending this year compared to last, that is a huge step in the right direction. is a hug>> i you keep saying huge steib. i think it's a minort miracle. i think the fact that you and speaker mccarthy kept all the frogs in the wheelbarrow,

i mean, you only got, what,fivet a five vote margin? i'm assuming the democratse didn't help you pass the bill.no i think it's a minor miracle that you all were ablee to pass a bill that raised the debt ceiling. what aree debt you asking for in return from the biden administration? >> work requirements for able bodied adults spend less than we spent last year and some permitting reform that ene will help us with our energy bill . that is package. e.rgy. that's where the speaker wants to go. and i would just say this. i would just say the american a people. who do you think's going to gebr a better deal ? joe biden, who hasn't done anything on this issue injoe bi five months, is frankly screwed up. every policy arewha that he's that he's involved with , it got himself involved i with over the lasts two and 2.s a half years, or the guy who went 15 rounds the firsty to week of january to become becom speaker of the house. who do you think is going. to get you a better deal for the for the american people? i would bet on speaker mccarthyl and house republicans. i think we're actually goingd to get a piece of legislationper thatse spends less this year thn it did last year. and if we do, that is a huge win and a huge step in the the right direction for the american people. >> chairman, it seems like

there are voices on the left, perhaps the far left, that are very unhappy with joe biden for even talking to speakeralking mccarthy. is he facing any pushback from from from the leftist parts of the democrat party? >> no, that's great insidet is trade. i think that's exactly what happened over the weekend whens negotiations kind of brokedown down. i think it was the left, whichis unfortunately now controls the democrat party, the radical left. i think they got to joe bide pan because he was probably,he was l i think, willing to start moving in our direction on worki requirements and on the spending levels. but i think the left got o a ho. of him. but again, i come back to i'llnn put my money on the guy who went 15 rounds the first week othe f january to becomee . speaker of the house. i'll put my money on him.ll put and where house republicans have beemon and how we've been able to come together and pass meaningful legislation outtogeth the house of representatives while the senate and the white house have basically done gislationothing over the laste five months. >> well, i'll put my money a on kevin mccarthy, but i'm alsoe going to put it on one a two time, three time ncaa wrestling champion who actually beat john smith in a wrestling

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advisory, originated with the florida naacp, which is also weird since reduce travel would impact everyone in florida, including the businesses owned and operated by people of color. if you're wondering what's really happening in florida, that state ranked as the best state in the country for black business owners with the lowest crime numbers on record. joining us now is fox news, political analyst yono caldwell. thank you for joining us . you're more florida than i am. i mean, is there some racial hostility in that state that just doesn't appear to the rest of us ? >> from the outside, it seemed like a fantastic place to live . >> no. and it is a fantastic place to live. but i'm not aware of any racial hostility. but i can tell you the naacp has gone from a premier organization in service of black people to an organization that serves white liberals, democrat politicians and democrat activists. this has become al sharpton 2.0

and twenty, twenty one alone. we saw visitors who came all across the state of florida bring in over a hundred billion dollars that help service one point seven billion to one point seven million jobs. we got three point three million black people within the state of florida. as you mentioned, is the number one place for doing business for african-americans. in terms of black businesses and hispanic americans as well. now, the number two now, if you really consider this this question they put out here, this advisory that they put out here, this could have the same effect that it had in georgia when they lost one hundred million was due to a major league baseball pulling out. this could be lambs to the slaughter scenario for black businesses. and it is troubling. it's beyond troubling that the organization has been used for politics. if they want to put out a travel advisory, they should put one out in chicago with my baby brother, christian was

murdered on june twenty fourth of last year where there's many other people who have been murdered in the city of chicago. or anywhere else in the state of illinois, where they came out with this safety act, which creates no bell scenario for people who commit second degree murder, arson, robbery and a whole slew of things. the naacp have to come to a conclusion. they need to make a choice. and this message is for you , naacp. either you're going to serve black people as your mission is focused on or what it used to be focused on . or you're going to be a puppet for the democratic party. and right now you're being a puppet. >> you know, i am not surprised that the naacp might have policy differences with ron desantis or other republican governors. i am not surprised. what does surprise me is this newfound absurdity, arguing by hyperbole that you're going to issue a travel advisory as if florida is the sudan or is florida is north korea. i mean, is is there no way

to just say, hey, look, we have a difference of opinion with you, governor , of this or governor of that or this state legislative body. we just think there's a better way. does it or is politics has been reduced to something as absurd as a travel advisory? >> well, i think politic has been inserted in just about every way of life. and democrats have smartly chosen to do it on race. and they've been winning this war on race for decades. unfortunately, black folks have been paying the price. it doesn't matter what city you are in, whether you be in chicago, baltimore, new york doesn't matter. they're paying the price for these policies that are being pushed out of the democratic party. we see this in the city of chicago where you have numerous failing schools. you see it in baltimore. where's the tribal diversity advisory for those places? why aren't they advocate the democrats? stop that. they stop progressives from pushing these policies that are harming black folks in the city of chicago. for example, 80% of the people

that are being murdered from violent crime are black over there. that's a large number. it's unfortunate that this is what we're seeing, but this is what it is . they're failing at their job and they need to do better. you should be going after someone because your political opponent like ron desantis, and that's really what this amounts to . >> well, i think i don't know. i think the chairman of the naacp board actually lives in florida. i doubt i can afford his house. but if you hear that it is up for sale, i want you to call me and let me know i . my wife loves florida, so maybe we'll put an offer on it. i just find it ironic that sherman lives in florida and there's travel advisory. but ciano caldwell, thank you so much for joining us . appreciating senator tim scott announced he's running for president today. he joins us for his first interview since that announcement. >> and that's next. there are more identity threats

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i'm announcing today that i'm running for president of the united states of america. that was tim scott earlier today.. >>p likeentialnot grow u most presidential candidates, and he shared a room, not a house, a room with his mother and his brother. he nearly failed out of school. is grandfather could not. read or write because whenwhen o others tell you the ceiling for your life is picking cotton, why bother? but through education, and hard work and opportunity and an unwavering faith in what this country can allow you to become, this grandson of a man who picked cotton eventually picked out a seat in congress and then the senate. and today he announced hisy, hen

candidacy to lead the country from charleston, south carolina, the birthplace of the civil war, pitting brother against brother comes a man preaching unity and purpose and promise and optimism. and purpose and promise an that america can do for othersd what it did for him. welcome to you, senator tim scott.come to you, thank you for joining us . you know, i'll leave the state for one day and you announce that you're running for the united states . all right. let me ask, are there policy differences? i mean, there are othere poli candidates announced and some cyother candidates that may get in the race. an onouncefd.this a matter policy differences or is it a difference in implementing or communicatlicye those policies t might be shared? e poli >> well, although i do think sh? this is a difference in how we communicate, there's no question that my life disproves the lies of the radical lefte. their culture of victimhoodeatig is eating away at the soul of a

america. i understand brokenness. i understand having low esteemsd . i understand nearly failing oufn of school. wet i also understand that we do not live in a nation of grievance. we live in a nation of greatness. so allowing the life story a nag to impact how we share the gospel of good news o conservative values, conservative principles with the american people. that's the power of persuasion. having lived the story myself, e i believe that makes me uniquely qualified to push back on the radical left. >> you know, senator , it's been abandoned since you and i met each other. i'm a complete cynic and you als almost make me feel hopeful. the country is frustrated. rust, it is angry, it scared. so let me ask what the pollingap indicates. i mean. 75% of the country thinkollingan we are headetrd in the wrong din direction. so can a wha.t i call a happy warrior. can a happy warrior prevail in e

an environment, given the mood of the country and the primaryto votersuntr? >> absolutely. everywhere i travel around the country from iowa, the new hampshire and throughout south carolina, peopleuntry, p are stg for hope. they're starving for something optimistic. but they have to know you have a backbone and you're talking about conservative values, conservative principles about conservative and conservative policies. when people understand that,cip you can be both, yes, optimizes ,but strong with a backbone, they are attracted to this campaign. . and so we're hoping to get hop across this country to continuie to share our message. >> you can go to vote , timssag scott, come to get involved. >> my guest, senator , is that you were otherwise busy today me and you missed the view. but i am going to play if i'm wrong, stop me and i won't play the clip. but my guess is that cli you did not hear sunny hostin.t hear so i'm going to play a clip for you and then ask you a question on the other side. >> one oasf the issues that tim>

scott has is that he seems to think, because i made it, everyone can make it ignoring i, again, the fact that he is the exception and not the rule. >> and until he or she then he can stop talking about clarence thomas. >> but, you know, she seems to have made it, too, by the way, however, she is a former federal prosecutor who's gotsec a talk shows. i mean, i think she's doing pretty good. also as she speaks to a broadero point. there are thingson't like talking about it, but but there are things that are said about you that will not be said about any other candidate, and that's always been the case. case, as a black republican, you are judged in ways that other candidates are not. so here's the question. can a god that is seen as being nice and affable fight back in a presidential primary againstah what you just heard and the democrats? absolutely. the answer is completely yes. t meeknesshe answe is not weaknes

i believe in the gospel.e in t i believhee matthew five forces love your enemies. if you if you break into my house. i also believe in the second amendment. i'm going to make sure that wedt defend every single thing we love mak in this country. we have to ignore the far left by disproving their lies by ourr actions. >> here's the funny thinovg abot the host, sunny. t she wants to be judged by the j content of her character, not noe color, her skin. the fact of the matter is , america is a story of revolution. never told story of evolution.ao and too many of our schools that are indoctrinating our kids and educating our kids i e not the exception. i'm actually the rule. every kid trapped in a failing school today. sc and look at big, big, big liberals, big labor unions and blame them. >> every parent who wantsy pare a choice loontk to thelook to republican party, look to the gop, but more importantly, looky the g.o.p.ns , african-americans, hispanic americans , the majority oafricf americans all agree on school choice was in the way of that

was in a way of providing a child with a better education and a better future.th a bette the radical left. >> you must scare the daylights out of the left. i mean, even your campaign logor cannot go on criticized by people on the left. n th you must be their worst nightmare. senator anft.d i just ask where you put up with things that nobody else puts u p. >> we'll tell you . the good news is i believe initn america. a i have faith in america because i watched my grandfather, as you talked about inthis i the beginning, this is a man who could not read who was picking cotton as a kid. c he believed in what some doubtve now in the goodness of america. he told me himself, he said ,ige son , you can be bitter orr or better, but you can't be tooy db many people today doubt the goodness of america. too many people today want to buy into bitternesso and victimhood and grievance bitterneand despair.

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is , quote, a normal guy who judge is a person based on their character. >> and one would presume the passengers represented the full diversity that is new york city. and while our society doesn't appear to be blindfolded, lady justice is supposed to be. sobe wha blindt are the facts and what's the law? what must be proven by the prosecution?la and what are the potentiale pron defenses? joining us now is george washington university law professor jonathan turley. welcome , professor. thank you for being here. i just want to not going g to waste your expertise with politics, just the lawoi on the facts. what is the charge and what must new york prosecutors prove beyond a reasonable doubt? p rove>> well, the misdemeanor of second degree requires that the prosecutor needs to show that this is sort of folds intod the defense, that a reasonable this was notef a reasonable levl

of force. essentially, they the penny is going to have to proveth to that jury, even thoughe pendn the burdens on the prosecutor, that he was in fear of his life or the life lives of others.e or but that's an objective life of others. they have to show standard. >> they have to show that a reasonable person would have used this level of force.level >>of now, the thing to keep in mind is that the chokehold is unlawful in most jurisdictions for police. >> but this wasn'ts a trained police officer . this was someone who was responding to a scene that hepon believed was turning violentg .n and this is going to have to gto in front of that jury. it's not clear what the judge will allow the jury to see. obviously, the video is going to be admitted into evidence. we've got about three minutes there. but it's not clear , for example, if the jury will know will know, of the long of the long rap sheet here involving mr. neely by some of i those past offenses, dealt

with violent acts. that's going to be a major pretrial fight between the prosecutors and the defense. the defense has its own sort ofe tough choice to make. this is a fairly strong defense case because people on the car have said , yeah, i felt endangered before i nearly was was taken down.n do i and certainly you have the defendant saying that if those witnesses take a stand and support that view, it'st thv going to be a very stroniew, ige . the question is , is the defense going to be satisfiedene with a strong case for perhapsto a hung jury or is it want to go to try to secure the full jury acquittal? to do that, they might have to put penny on the stand, which is somethinge defense attorneys don't like to do. tht poise in mgrea this interview. he may be upay to thate up t che

.. you know, would you put penny in the grand jury? thin i think and new york, i think t penny has the right to go to the grand jury and ask them not to indict. i mean, that may be high stakes poker because he may be cross-examined on what he says. d t hiyom inu pu the grand jury if you were his lawyer? or think about it? >>grand ju if yo i would think . >> you know, i .ut i don't follow a general viewowe of criminal defense attorneys ve that you don't put your client whethe stand, whether it's in the grand jury or a trial. you know, there's a risk averse rule there. i don't always agree with that.. when i when i when i saw that interview with penny, if i if he were michael and i would give it serious consideration, this is someone thation. is obviously able to handle those types of pressuresomeone i circumstances. when you're speaking to somebody abououslo t a really traumatic event. >> i mean, this was an obvious tragedy, not just for mr. neely. it's a tragedy for everyone involved.

but i would consider putting i wohim on the stand. >> professor jonathan turley, i'm glad that i can put you on television and answer what are going to be some tough legal questions. so thank for joining us . i'll look forward to having you again. thanks, jay. tomorrow nighti look t, senatorn sinema of arizona and senator james lankford of oklahoma arer joining us from the border. they've got proposedjoin legislatioinn to address the crisis. tune in for that tomorrow.e prre and i hopess the you have a grea evening. thanveatk for joining us . sean hannity is next. al.l right. trey gowdy, big day for south carolina today with tim scott. great interview and great job. >> thanks for being with us. all right, everyone, welcome to "hannity" and tony. buckle up. is a bi what is a big week straight ahead? s more breaking news fromthe durh the durham report. and now evenam more , dnc chief liberal chuck todd, he is nowe d is calling on the fbi to be held accountable. >> kind of laughable in one sense. alsoble, kinof laughable, develg biden's poverty claims also breaking news from john solomon tonight about hunter