that's the tuck-it suit. everything clay wears has patterns. i think it's a tennessee thing. terry from ohio, jesse, i left you a voice mail but i didn't keep it clean. sorry in advance. yeah, we have been screening these and we have had a few h.r. requests. trey god gowdy is up next. rememb >> good evening and welcome to fox news tonight, i am trey gowdy, thank you for watching, have you ever noticed history only runs one way. yesterday should've been a day of celebration whether you are orthodox. from the south, born of the civil war, a man who shared, good luck sharing a house with a reminder of yesterday's pain, announcing that they want to leave the nation. you do not have to vote for or

support tim scott by taking pride in the fact that we are constantly trying to perfect the union, a family that once considered him less than a full person as a chance to make him the leader of the free world. >> for those of you who wonder if america is a racist country, take a look at how people come together! all of god's people come together! black ones and white ones, red ones, and brown ones working together. because love, unconditional love binds hearts together. we are not defined by the color of our skin. we are defined by the content of our character. and if anyone tells you anything different, they are lying. >> trey: and yet we witness once again the harsh reality that you can be anything you want to be in this country except a black republican. anything you want to be except a

black conservative. tim scott is not the only example of history running to the left. contrast the way that justice clarence thomas is treated with the way that justice thurgood marshall is treated, the way that cori bush is treated. there are other examples to be sure, but the contrast between those who seek the highest office in the land is stark. >> tim scott will have to face his ancestors one day, and all of the answer he has made and all of the position. >> white power structure, and

cannot go back off of that team for even a little. i feel sorry that he has to be in history books this way. but apparently that's what he wants to be. >> the sole black republican found himself a stone fool when he said this. >> hear me clearly, america is not a racist country. >> there two sides to every token, so thirsty for white approval, i can go into great detail refuting each of his asinine points, but he did that for me. moreover, the lesson i've learned learned, don't argue with people harriet tubman would've left behind. >> trey: there is nothing like the women of "the view" telling tim scott what it's like to be a black man in america. >> he is like clarence thomas, black republican who believes in pulling yourself by your bootstraps rather than to me understanding the systemic racism and other minorities. he does not get it, neither does clarence and that's why they are republicans. >> trey: can trust the way that senator barack obama was treated when he announced his run for the presidency with the way that tim scott is treated, was senator obama the media was hardly able to catch its breath to avoid fainting to ignore the tingle around the collective leg

to ask any serious questions. with tim scott the questions are all about someone else not named tim scott. tim scott is treated one way, but if you were a democrat like kamala harris, you're treated differently. >> the night to that kamala harris made history as the first woman come the first person of color elected vice president. >> the symbolism of having a mom, mom of color up they are talking about these situations i think it is important. >> the child of immigrant's first black, first south asian woman is going to represent us. >> remember she is a first woman vice president, the first woman of color vice president. >> kamala harris is the first woman, female vice president, the first woman of color to visit that region. >> do you think that anyone in the media will ask justice come to house a brown whether she will vote for tim scott for president? they should not, she won't vote for him nor should she, because they are not politically aligned. so why would the media operate tim scott about why he did not support a judge with whom he is

not politically aligned? is he supposed to support her version of history while she is not? or does history only run in one direction. tim scott has been called things most of us will never be called, and even if we were called these vile things, it would not affect many of us if we were white, though words do not have a historical saying if uttered against us. he has been called a prop, a token, a betrayal trail to his race, for what sin you might ask is he called these things? what offense did he commit? what crime warrants such vit vitriol. he defends a popular governor and a proper united states senator to the house, and with overwhelming support, offering landmark polices of legislation and other bills to the congress. and has endured the police being

prevented from entering into the capital because of his skin, and the harshest things he endures is from those who claim to be the most progressive. whether or not you support tim scott, is it irrelevant? he captures the pain and the progress and the potential and the promise of a nation. of a union seeking to perfect itself. and that should be celebrated. but it will not be. not by the media, not by the left. so the left can go right on calling him whatever they want to call him. you just make sure you call him a united states senator. and you call him a candidate for the presidency. and maybe one day history can run both left and right, and that would be some real progress, wouldn't it be? joining us now as to mr. murdoch who is the editor with the national review, thank you for joining us, i am always open to being told i am wrong, but i promise you it seems like tim scott has been treated differently and worse than other

historically significant people on the left. >> that is absolutely right. as you say, you don't have to be a supporter of tim scott to celebrate the fact that we have not just him, but also larry elder, two black men running for the g.o.p. nomination and people say the republican party is a little wet party, soon i have two blacks running for president. so they are token, which is it? they are never happy. we talked about the civil rights movement, and the song "we shall overcome" this is an indication that we have overcome or we are overcoming if the republican party can have not just one, but two black republicans run for the g.o.p. nomination coming up or house or senate but the highest office in the land and people across the country should be happy whether they agree or disagree with them. but instead these folks on the left, they say we don't like your text plan coming in oh, spend more on the poor, you are a bad black person, you are token, a sellout. larry elder was called the white face -- i'm sorry, the black face of white supremacy. this is appalling, disgusting,

hideous rhetoric and what you expect from the left. and they want black folks to line up and be quiet, vote for democrats, if you think independently, they will attack you for that. >> trey: tim scott when he was in the house was on the way to the committee, on finance i believe in the senate. he was one of the three guys who wrote the tax reform bill. i remember being at the restaurant when he received calls from other senators saying we want this in the bill or we don't want that, so of course he is invited. you should be. he is one of the three officers. then you look at social media and he is called a prop. i mean, no wonder senator was called a prop. it just seems to me that you can be almost anything you want to be in this country except a black man or a black woman who happens to be a republican or conservative. and i just don't get it, i don't understand it. he says a policy, i don't get it. >> we have two black democrat men in the senate, cory booker

is one, and roy as the other, nobody calls them tokens, it's only two, we should have 13% black senators, so three altogether, how come the democrats aren't tokens, but the republican's. and tim scott was a first black senator to be elected out of the south. since 1881, he was appointed by nikki haley when there was a vacancy and they went on to win those seats comfortably. the democrats in the party could have added black democrat in the south, and did not get around until january 2021 with the special election down in georgia. so if this party is so pro-black, how come they did not get a black democrat in from the south from 1881 until 140 years later in 2021? shame on them. >> trey: by the way, tim scott had to defeat others for the house eat, one other example, i am watching and it could not believe that i was listening to it, the deservedly democrat service on the side, byron

donalds is nominated, and cori bush calls him a prop. same office, i just -- and the left just, they are okay with that. they are okay with using these words. >> i think one thing that scares them as they see black folks, particularly black men think twice about the whole idea, being in the democrat party. it donald j. trump 115% of black men. and it has fallen down to 52% today. that stays there, there is no way that man will get reelected, these people are terrified paired with the democrats do rather than something positive, they stir the racial pot. >> trey: try murdoch, a sensitive topic and one that i am obviously passionate about and not objective when it comes to tim scott, but i think that we can do better than using these words we are talking about political opponents. but thank you for joining us. the border is still incomplete meant lament meltdown in the

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>> trey: this is a programming alert, ron desantis is expected to announce his bid at the white house tomorrow and he will join us right here tomorrow night in his first television interview after the announcement, we hope that you tune in. the consequences of a forest order and a flawless island system continue to impact areas around the country. two u.s. senators with different political backgrounds and different political profiles recently toward the border, they served together on a committee of jurisdiction and what did they find? and what are the ideas for reform, joining us now kyrsten sinema, and independent from arizona, and james lankford, from oklahoma. thank you for joining us, we will start with you, what did you find and how you will fix it? >> well, that's a tough question, the reality is in the tucson sector of the border, we

are seeing an increasingly large number of individuals who seek to enter the country while evading detection from authorities. which means they are still lots of individuals who want to come to this country not for good purposes, not seeking asylum, but to sink into the country and engage in whatever activities they are interested in. we also know the sector of the border has massive amounts of fentanyl coming in from the ports of entry and being smuggled in through the desert. so it also brings have two issues, number one, the need for increased border patrol agents, increased technology, manpower, and the ability to actually interdict both folks who seek to do bad in our country and the trafficking of drugs. and then second, this again, it notes the fact that the administration was not prepared for the end of title 42, and we as congress must take action to change the asylum system in our country to stop it from exploitation by international criminal cartels like sinaloa.

>> trey: all right, senator lankford, mentioning the asylum system coming when i have spoken on that in the past, helping those who face real danger and threat by eliminating the fraud, how do we do that? i think that if i am right on the numbers, 2008 to the asylum-seekers was a really small number, there was like a 2000% increase, how do we fix that? >> right now the loophole is being excluded by the cartels that are out there, one knows and the cartel exploits this, no matter where you're coming from the world coming across the border and the border patrol agents, the fear in my country is the magic ticket to get in. the administration has announced that they are making changes on that, but there is no shift here at the border on this. we see an immediate releases of individuals from all over the world. as senator sinema mentioned on this, the justice sector in tucson has 245,000 people just this fiscal year that have been interdicted here, but there are

170,000 that are god ways that today just all but could not actually get to them, and we have no idea who they are. on the asylum process it's not just mexico, it's not just people from central america anymore. the border patrol agents we spoke to said they are increasingly concerned for the national security risk that is happening because these are individuals from west africa, from the middle east, from russia that are coming across the border and within hours being released into the country. and we have no idea with the criminal background, no history for these individuals, so they are being granted and asylum years from now in the future the ability to travel anywhere they want to end the country, we have no criminal background or insight on them and they are just being immediately released. >> trey: i hope colleagues in the house of the senator watching you all, different political profiles, once an independent and a republican, acknowledging an issue, sometimes people prefer the issue over the solution, i know

that that does not include the two of you, but sometimes politically they do, so thank you for working together in joining us tonight, looking forward to seeing both of you really soon. >> thanks so much, trey. >> lets all this. >> trey: last night a missouri teenager crushed a rental truck into the barriers outside the white house, sai varshith kandula, 19-year-old from missouri rented a root u-haul truck that he drove to washington and crashed outside the white house. law enforcement says he planned to kill the president and seize control of the government, and had no weapons aside from the truck, but he was armed with a flag, which police say he waved as he exited the vehicle. he has been charged and will likely be convicted and sentenced to prison to threaten and kill the president or anyone else's serious and criminal. and it is to me at least evidence of the significant mental health issue. kandula who you can see on your screen was waving a flag

synonymous with hate and the mass killing of people based on race, religion, nationality, and disability. i wonder if mr. kandula has any idea how he would've fared at had germany won the war. his mental health issues may be even deeper than hatred and joe biden. and include a hatred of himself. joining us now is vince kaunda lee, the editorial director of "the daily caller" and radio host, thank you for joining us. vince, i may be in the minority at least on this one issue, i don't spend a lot of time trying to ascertain the motives of people that i think are mentally ill, because the motive almost assumes a rationale and there really is no rationale. for trying to kill the president and take over a government with a u-haul truck, but let me play a clip from president biden on the threats facing our country and ask you a question on the other side of it. >> i've said it before, and all of my colleagues here now, according to the united states intelligence committee, domestic

terrorism, from white supremacist is the most lethal terrorist threat in the hom homeland. >> trey: you know, i suspect if you and i went outside and asked ten people what's the greatest threats facing our country, we would get ten different answers and they would all be correct in the eyes of the person asked, so how does one, president biden or the fbi or anybody else go by quantifying threat or danger when there is so much to choose from? >> the reality is in terms of actual death threats from anybody around you, mostly its people from your own community and people who looked just like you. that's a reality. and the chance that you actually die in a murder are astronomically low. there is fearmongering going on here, but the point is to accrue more power to the government. we should always pay attention. it's not a part of the same point, just a realistic point. this guy who drove into the barricades at the white house last night is one of the most bizarre stories i've ever heard. and you are right to assess that it must be the product of mental illness, because this young man

of indian descent, kandula's last name, drives into the bollards outside the white house at 5 miles per hour in an empty u-haul except the only thing he has is a nazi flag and law enforcement takes the plug out which is very unusual for the practice of collecting evidence and leaves it alone on the ground, spreads it out, almost irons it out, time for people to take photos of it. and it is just strange. it is one of the strangest things i've ever seen. and yet here it is. in washington, d.c. >> trey: i am not sure how mr. kandula did in his history class, but i don't know he would've fared well had germany won the war. into the fbi, lots of things or threats, lots of things are a threat to her well-being as he pointed out, you're much more likely to be killed by somebody who claims to love you then you are a stranger or a white supremacist, but you know, in my home state there was a white supremacist who'd drove to a church in trials in charleston and killed black men and women

because they were black, and i would settle for the fbi doing what we have asked them to do which includes background checks and pontificating a little bit less on ranking the dangers when everybody would rank them differently. >> right, and we have fbi whistle-blowers who have been coming out lately, steve friend is someone who has been saying this. he said that what is happening as the biden administration has been trying to pad the numbers on domestic extremism offense in order to justify that as the most -- the biggest threat to the average american person. he talked specifically about january 6. a very unusual practice, the fbi normally considers one event to be one case and instead on january 6, they divide this up into hundreds upon hundreds of separate cases as was pointed out, and fbi whistle-blower and order to pad domestic extremism numbers. that is not appropriate behavior for any law enforcement agency

and it is designed to give power to the government. >> trey: the politics of crime statistics i will have to have you back on to talk about that. a whole other segment. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you, sir. >> trey: whatever happened of the zodiac killer, and did the borough and the fbi dropped the ball there as well? we will look at that next. ♪ ♪ (woman) what if all i do isn't enough? or what if i can do diabetes differently? (avo) now you can with once-weekly mounjaro. mounjaro helps your body regulate blood sugar, and mounjaro can help decrease how much food you eat. 3 out of 4 people reached an a1c of less than 7%. plus people taking mounjaro lost up to 25 pounds. mounjaro is not for people with type 1 diabetes or children.

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>> trey: the zodiac killer is known to have killed five people, but the real number of victims could be in the dozens, no one was arrested, but gary francis post being the serial killer who vexed law enforcement with his cryptic letters and signs, his case has been profiled in movies and miniseries and capture the attention of those fascinated by crime including a group of volunteers called the case breakers. the case breakers are an eclectic group of investigators and journalists and military personnel who seek to solve

crimes. did the fbi have a chance to catch the zodiac killer before he died? joining us now is with the case breakers, thank you for joining us, for those perhaps not familiar with the zodiac killer, tell us what he did and during which time period? >> sure, thanks for having me, alleged to have killed five people through forced to different attacks from 1968-1969. and it's really been seen as kind of the holy grail of cold cases, probably through his name and his taunting of police and investigators over the next several years, but it is consumed amateurs and professional sleuths alike for up to over 50 years. >> trey: and what new evidence, let me presume new evidence, has it been found and look, i was not around back then, but my guess is murder is a violation of state law, the fbi would only get involved if

asked, but to bomb enforcement have a chance to do something and did not do so whether it is state or federal law enforcement? >> yes and no, that's a frustration of the team that we have put together and work in this for several years, the case was brought to us from a previous case we have been working on the db cooper case, but what you have is several different local law enforcement entities that are naturally communicating with with us as well as not communicating with each other. so you have san francisco, you have the potential for riverside police, you have vallejo county, napa valley. and then we have alleged that there is other victims to sherry joe bates and it's in the tahoe area. >> trey: do you think that this is the standard, there was enough evidence to arrest post and would've been convicted under a reasonable doubt?

>> there is -- there was substantial evidence, but it took us years to put together 50 years after the math, and our guide gary francis post, he passed away in 2018, and he was arrested in 2016 for abuse of a spouse where they should have taken his dna and put that into code us, that never happened. so there was a mistake on procedure from that area. could he have been convicted? it would've taken a lot more, and we are down to the point where the probably would've taken dna for a case that this is all involved, we are talking about a historical case then and an actual live case that could be brought to trial. >> trey: any explanation for why his dna would not be entered into? >> i can answer that. i think was just a mistake on the local part and from that point on it has just been difficult. now we have received and been able to recover his dna through neighbor set of volunteered and family members who have

volunteered some materials we have been able to pull emily verified that with a blood relative, and we also have former military intelligence, counterintelligence expert like myself who has had contact within the borough saying six twin bulimics since 2016, gary post was there suspect. >> trey: it's amazing what you are able to do, the law enforcement has access to tools i assume as private citizens you do not have access to, so the fact you are willing to do this and try to bring some -- i don't want to say closure, but bring some peace to the victims and their family members, kudos to you. thank you. >> thank you, appreciate it. >> trey: tensions between the fbi and house republicans continue as a borough provides the lament does provide certain information with an ongoing investigation. speaking of ongoing investigations, how long does it take to investigate a lying and buying case? it is not a complicated

commodity scheme. it is literally whether you lied on an application to purchase a firearm. these cases cannot be that hard. i used to do them, if they were that hard, i would not be able to do them. the house g.o.p. does have a tool and its arsenal to gain compliance. it is called appropriations. but will they use it? james caggiano is a retired fbi supervisor and special agent and he joins us. so the house wants documents, the fbi says no, this is where i am torn. i used to be a prosecutor. i understand ongoing investigations. it used to be in the house, and understanding can do your job without access, what happens n now? >> you know that source documents you can redact names on them and the 1023 which is a document that the fbi is being asked to turn over is essentially a statement from a confidential human source. we understand that they are on cooperated, we understand that you're not going to make your

case on one single sole-source. they are part of a vaguer investigation. in this instance, the fact that the fbi director is not turning this over to congress, look, you went through this with ag holder back in the day, this is something where yes, could contempt be on the table? absolutely, impeachment? sure. i think the director is trying to purchase this but he is trying to be very careful, but by the same token, why could he not me and close session? this does not have to be done before the television cameras and like i said you can protect sources and methods. there are ways to do this, you have done it before and you know how it works. >> trey: it can be done in a skiff, you could actually just brief the chairperson. there are ways to do it. there are times when an ongoing investigation can be jeopardized by sharing information, especially with people who are known to leak, but there are other times when at least in my opinion, doj hides behind ongoing investigation because it

is embarrassing. so how can we tell the difference? i don't know how you will ever tell the difference unless you look at the underlying data. >> yes, i agree 100%. and congress has the right to compel, as you said, you control appropriations, you control the fbi's budget, and there are ways to do this. the sensitive comes and in which you mention by this gift, they are ways to do this. i just feel like in this instance, the fbi has received black eye after black eye after 2016 that you think there would be an abundance of transparency, they want to be as transparent as possible, while protecting sources and methods, and that does not seem to be happening right now. >> trey: i will tell you what, james, all the other institutions around assume to be crumbling. if our justice system, if we cannot look at that justice system even when we disagree with it and have respect for it,

i just don't think we are going to make it as a people. and as you noted, it has been a terrible last seven or eight years for the borough and the department, and that's coming from two people who used to work for the department of justice and the borough, so i hope they get their act together for the country's sake, james caggiano, thank you for your service to our country, thank you for being with us tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> trey: we have washington in gridlock, more on that after the break. ♪ ♪ my name is joshua florence, and one thing i learned being a firefighter is plan ahead. you don't know what you're getting into, but at the end of the day, you know you have a team behind you that can help you. not having to worry about the future makes it possible to make the present as best as it can be for everybody.

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anti-trans next? >> i mean, now. >> this [bleep] is violent, you are tricky my students. >> i'm sorry about that. >> no, you are not. you don't even know what that is. you don't know what this is? get out of here. >> trey: that is a lot of beeps, then this art professor assaulted a reporter with a machete, and that is something you don't get to do very often. use the words art and machete in the same sentence. >> [bleep] away from my door, [bleep] away from my door. >> let's get out of here. you can't do that. >> trey: her employer said they were a gasp and took action, i don't know with that me and she was given tenure or was fired, act like she was fired. the debt limit drama continues to unfold as speaker mccarthy and president biden meet, but do not appear to be in your of resolution. this most recent iteration of a familiar drama is but a symptom of a larger disease which is

spending. it is almost always easier politically to spend than it is to cut even those who want to cut do not want to cut their own portion, just the others. with the cumulative dad to now over $30 trillion, spending has proven to be almost addictive, but is that sustainable? and can one party advocate for cuts while the other party spends more and still survives? steve daines, senator from the great state of montana, joining us now. welcome, senator, it's wonderful to see you. you are an expert on this. what are the drivers of our data? what makes the deficit and the debt what it is? >> first of all if we watch what the white house is doing, this is a crisis management operation, they try to lead by crisis. they started with the border. it is all self induced, they open up the border and we have a border crisis, it leads to a crime crisis, then it leads to spending, now we have an

inflation crisis, now we have this debt ceiling crisis, but the important word in the debt ceiling debate is the word debt. this is a symptom of the biggest problem, and that is the crisis of the debt, we are $31 trillion plus in debt. i do not think that i would live to see the day to have this kind of debt showing up on the books. you can look at the course over the next ten years, trey. right now according to the congressional budget office, our dad is going to be pushing nearly $50 trillion just in the next ten years, ten years is not that far away. this creates huge additional inflationary pressures and that's the destabilization that we know at some point you can't keep running up this debt. you can't keep running trillion dollar plus deficits every year and expect the rest of the world to keep buying our dad to. that will create higher interest rates, and this is the biggest challenge i think we face as a

nation, and existential threats as the crisis will hit when the debts become such that it is no longer sustainable as a country. >> trey: i made a d in economics and i will prove you right now. we can cut spending which is politically unpopular, it is hard to do it. i used to work with you. it is hard to start cutting. the other option is what the left wants to do which is to raise revenue by raising taxes. i don't think that you can raise taxes enough to even balance the budget and there does not appear to be a tremendous appetite for the cut, so how do we get out of it? >> the way to increase revenue as we have seen with john f kevin e, ronald reagan, have been under term, when you lower tax rates to create more economic activity you actually increase tax revenues. the democrats have one thing that they want to do and that is raise taxes. if you want to slow something down, you tax it. if you want to slow the economy down, you tax it. that's the wrong thing to do.

and it is truly spending pro problem. looking at spending versus revenue, and gdp, we are clearly in territory now that says you can't raise taxes high enough and solve the problem that you have with the deficit. so the answer is you have to reduce spending. the very first bill that i introduced in every congress is pretty simple, it simply says if congress does not balance their budgets, you don't get paid. i spent 28 years in business, you are in business as well, if you don't balance your budget and business, you don't have a business. we have to hold members of congress accountable and let them work through all the imaginations in terms of priority as an defense spending and other programs that are important, but there is not a single person i have yet to meet that says there's no room to improve efficiency, there's no room to cut spending, of course there is, of course there is. >> trey: i will take a wild guess that your bill does not

become law or make it in the law, i don't know if i can respond to that or not when i was your colleague. i supported now. >> well, i will tell you when i am back home in montana i talk about that. not only to folks that stand up and jump up on their chairs, put the pain on members of congress like business owners have that pain. family businesses, you know, managing your family household. the pain goes on those who are trying to balance come up with the pain back on members of congress and i can tell you that they cheer back home in montana when i suggest that, but you are right, it's a little bit more of a chilly response back in washington with my colleagues. >> trey: i am sure, speaking of chile, you got my attention, senator daines, thank you for joining us. thank you for eliminating this issue. i hope that we make it through this self-induced debt limit crisis, but as you point out it is really the debt. thank you for joining us ton tonight. are we really supposed to leave a tip for everything now? the new unspoken rules confuse

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>> all right i will tip if someone deserves to tip, i will give them something extra, tipping automatically is for the birds. >> i confess, i did it today, i ordered two coffees and the screener asked me if i wanted to add a tip, i did so i did. my motivation was pretty simple. i see my own children when i see the women and men that work behind the register, the hotel bedside table there is another chance to leave a tip, i don't know what the men and women make, i know it's not a fun job and it's a lot less than i make. then again there are times i am asked to leave a tip and i stand there wondering what for? what

exactly am i tipping? not to sound too ex toe next ale, tip to supplement an income? i don't know, it's popping up more and more and as we have the screens toward us, offering us a chance to tip, is a reward for those who deliver excellence or expected even when we do all the work ourselves. it's over my head, i don't spend a ton of time thinking about it. welcome, i am guilty as charged, where have i gone wrong. >> well you are a good person, i'm not, i'm here, to teach you to look into the server's eyes when you have served yourself and to look and hit no tip and stare them down and stare the be jesus out of them. i used to tip generously, i was a waitress, i

was a cocktail server, i was a cashier and a rich people scheme restaurant on aspen mountain, booze proud on a ritzy golf course, i was cheery, attentive, let me top your sweet tea off with a little bourbon. i was quick with a compliment. you don't look a day over 73. gowdy. but that service, that's what you tip for, but if you walk into an establishment and you grab yourself a coca cola and a muffin and walk up and all they do is hit some numbers and flip that tablet and expect you to tip them 20% or 30%, the answer is no, and i am not going to be held up in this hostage situation which is what it's turned into. >> can i give you the other side of the argument? i sit there and i think i have two choices. i can leave money for my wife's

second husband or i can give it to the person who is in front of me and the chances of me liking the person that my wife marries when i leave her whatever money i have or zero shall the chances of me liking the person who just gave me coffee are a little more than zero, it's a question where i am going to give my money, leave it for a stranger. >> gowdy, i can think of 10,000 different places that you can spend your money or leave your money and it would not be a gras youity for someone who did nothing for you. but that being said, a lot of this is because the employers don't want to pay the employees. and it's because of these payment systems and these tablets that they are showing this and publicly shaming you in public and putting tin your face and they are trying to get the employees to hustle you for more money rather than them paying the employee. >> i think some of it is skill,

most people, have you convinced me tonight that you are in the minority, but most people are really really nice and they do not -- i don't want to offend, so they feel guilt. somebody is asking for a tip, they ask for 10% or 20%. i think what i hear you saying, no service provided, no extra compensation. >> i have no hesitation to stair the person down like i am going to run over with my car and hit no tip. smile and say here is your tip, act like you like your job, it's not that hard. >> who would have guessed that an old homicide prosecutor would be a pushover and tip even when it's not warranted and you would be the tough one of us in the duo. >> i learned my lesson, i used to tip well at the parking garage where i parked my car and they basically destroyed my car, it looked like a port a john

exploded on my car, i essentially had to get it repainted. vigorous debate about the most pressing issue. watching fox news tonight. ron desantis joins us to share big news, have a great evening, sean hannity is next, he joins with all of his friends. >> hannity: trey say hello to you. great job. this is a rowdy crowd tonight, welcome to hannity and we are back with our live audience. right here in studio. texas senator ted cruz will be here in a moment. now today he helped educate aoc on the sordid history of the democratic heart, also chairman jim jordan and chairman james comer, they will be joining us with the latest on their investigations into joe biden, hunter biden, the deep state that i