>> when you want to get a debt deal done, go on vacation. that's the message from the president. that's where he will be? >> he is making fun of ron desantis' roll-out. >> a great corvette there where he keeps his classified documents. >> have a good day. see you tomorrow. >> you can set your clock to january 20th, 2025, at high noon because on the west side of the u.s. capitol i will be taking the oath of office as the 47th president of the united states. no excuses. >> bill: there you have it. florida governor ron desantis is in and running for president. first, though, the republican nomination is on the line. can he shake up a race thus far dominated by the former president, donald trump? we begin with that question on thursday. i'm bill hemmer in new york city.

beautiful pink that goes with yesterday. >> dana: desantis making it official after months of speculation. the announcement coming in the form of a twitter livestream with elon musk. >> bill: many see him as possibly the biggest threat to the frontrunner former president donald trump. >> dana: the two have gone to friends to competitors. the former president is slamming desantis for months. you can expect a lot more of that moving forward. >> bill: desantis hoping his resume will cut through his attacks. accomplishments in florida. six week abortion ban. state's early reopening from covid back in 2020. >> dana: he joined trey gowdy for his first interview as a candidate. he made the case that he is the one who can deliver for conservatives. >> why now? i think it's because the country

is going in the wrong direction. if we have another four years of the biden administration, i think some of the damage is going to be irreversible. i think we have an opportunity now like the late 1970s when jimmy carter was president to really move the country in a much stronger direction and really bring a lot of bold leadership to bear. why me? you have to be able to win and then when you get in office, you have to be able to deliver results. i think we've been able to do both of those as good or better than anybody in the country. >> dana: team fox coverage karl rove on deck with reaction. let's go to rich edson and an update from washington. >> the governor made history last night. his opponents have a different take. desantis declared he is running for president in a conversation with elon musk and they joined

on twitter. hundreds of thousands of listeners overwhelmed the system. they were were kicked off or greeted with a screen that promised their talk was preparing for launch. 25 minutes of troubleshooting and it launched. >> american decline is not inevitable. it is a choice and choose a new path leading to american revitalization, merit must trump identity politics. >> the desantis campaign take on all this? there was so much enthusiasm for governor desantis's vision of our great american comeback he busted the internet. washington is next. a million dollars raised online in one hour and counting. trump spokeswoman says ron desantis's botched campaign announcement is another example of why he is not ready for the jobs. the stakes are too high. speaking to trey gowdy he took a swipe at trump promising to

build a full border wall and also said republicans refused to debate, no one is entitled to anything and debates are part of the process. the governor will kick off his campaign in des moines, iowa and spend next week in primary states of iowa, new hampshire and south carolina. >> dana: rich edson, thank you. >> bill: this is where we believe we are now. want to show you the fox news polling recently from may 19 to may 22. just within the last week. what we found here from february to now is that donald trump has a clear edge over ron desantis. in fact, over that three-month period trump went up ten points and desantis dropped eight. you see the challenge he has at the outset. how do they compare together? quinnipiac put up these numbers. favor bit ratings. desantis 32, trump 50. trump's unfavorable higher at

56. 22% haven't heard enough of desantis. he has opportunity with the numbers we see. the same poll, biden and desantis, head-to-head in this polling desantis leads by a point. notice within the margin of error 2.4 percentage points. it could go either way if you were to take it a step further. i will take this a step further because when compared with donald trump, quinnipiac found that biden leads the former president by two points. this, too is within the margin of error at 2.4%. original here. couple people not on this asa hutchinson, tim scott. here is what we see again. trump at 53. clearly leading the field as you go down to ramaswamy and haley in single digits. karl rove. welcome to the program. let's begin with desantis. what do you believe is his

biggest challenge now in the race? >> his biggest challenge is to develop a base of support in the two early primaries iowa and new hampshire that will allow him next year to eclipse the frontrunner, donald trump. he has to show some early movement, he has to show some -- when the voting actually begins next year, spending a lot of time in iowa and new hampshire building a grassroots organization capable of getting people out for caucuses in iowa and primary in new hampshire. >> dana: what did you think of the launch, the twitter spaces thing didn't go well first. he did the interview with mark le vin on radio and trey gowdy at 8:00. >> missed opportunity. if you look at the coverage they are spending a lot of time talking about the missteps on twitter. every word spent talking about the technical difficulties and

getting that launch and not talking about his message. look what i've done in florida. i've taken on woke, education, boosted the economy, handled covid well i can take those successes to the national stage. we're talking about more time twitter, how did that all work out? to me it was fine, go do it on twitter but the first words you want to see out of somebody you want to see them. it was not until he went on with see him. there was a big black blob on twitter we just listened to his voice and we listened to mark levine and he talked on radio. people like to see who they're contemplating to be their nominee and president agreed?

>> he went to iowa and had a fantastic picnic if northwest iowa, plays a key role in the caucuses. and the image of him flipping pork burgers and appearing for selfies and offering a strong message about what he would do, what he had done in florida and what he would do in america i thought was pretty compelling. decisions were made and they've decided they would go for the

novelty. completes owe step back for a minute. you can have a best kickoff in the world and doesn't guarantee you jump up in the polls. take 2008, barack obama had a fantastic announcement in february of 2007 and he was behind hillary clinton all of 2007 and it was only just before the iowa caucuses that the sustained effort over months and months and months came together and gave him -- made it competitive and gave him a surprise victory in iowa. so the great announcements, bad announcements, you know, that's not the end all, be all. what matters is sustained performance over months and months in the critical early states and have it pay off with people turning out to vote for you on a cold day in iowa and equally cold day in new hampshire. >> dana: can i ask you about sustained sir performance? call for number seven, biden's

support as a strong leader has just been sinking since 2020. right now he is in a deficit of 31%. what does that bode for the 2024 general election? >> real problems for joe biden. take a look at the internals on the fox poll. 33% say he is a strong leader. look, people can disagree with you but if they see you and believe you are a strong leader they will give you the benefit of the doubt. 2/3 of the american people don't think he is a strong leader. republicans only #% see him as a strong leader. only 21% of independents see him as a strong leader. 8 of 10 independents don't see him as a strong leader. 64% of democrats think he is a strong leader. think about that. over a third of democrats do not see him as a strong leader. this guy is in real trouble and do we think he will get better?

do we think people will see him as a stronger leader? only if there is an international or national crisis in which he acts in a way that goes against the type that we've developed in our minds of him over the last 2 1/2, nearly three years. i don't see it happening. he is in big trouble on that issue. >> dana: karl rove, thank you on a thursday with a lot of news. we appreciate it. >> bill: thank you, karl. that same quinnipiac poll, among democrats now and joe biden to complete the point here, is biden too old to serve another term? 57% of democrats believe that to be the case. back to desantis now. >> dana: editorial eyes in the "wall street journal" saying the ron desantis challenge, the florida governor has a strong record, can he offer voters a larger national vision? and i think it might be too early to tell but they did raise a million dollars in the first hour.

president trump has this really big lead. can they eat into that and slowly over time or have a big jump? >> i thought the twitter thing was interesting. regardless of the glitches it was interesting. is this the future? maybe, maybe not. >> dana: a chance to see policy fluidity and competence in a sustained way on the twitter spaces issue and then in the gowdy interview. >> bill: what we saw in new hampshire. >> dana: he knows his stuff. if people were paying attention and they like it his numbers will pop up. >> bill: he has to win one of the early states. if you don't, it's over. 12 past the hour now. more right now, check it out. >> dana: breaking news on a fired hunter college professor who threatened a reporter with a machete. her latest stop is a police station. >> bill: clock is ticking on lawmakers to avoid a default potentially sending the economy

into a spin. what are the biggest sticking points? we'll talk to the man in the middle of the negotiations, house speaker kevin mccarthy is coming up in a moment with us. >> dana: why a letter is the focus of a new lawsuit? >> i wonder if authorities are looking at the laundries in any capacity as to aiding and abetting for encouraging laundrie's trek across the country leaving gabby's body behind.

>> dana: fox news alert now confirming the hunter college professor who put a machete to a reporter's neck has turned herself into the police. the university fired her on tuesday after this video was released of her threatening to chop a reporter up. she first made headlines after yelling and harassing a pro-life group of students on campus. nate foye with the latest. >> good morning. nypd confirms that she turned herself in at 7:00 a.m. this morning. she will be transferred to central booking later today and she is reportedly reacting publicly for the first time to the "new york post" video. take a look. >> let's get out of here.

>> rodriguez is also accused of chasing these reporters outside and threatening them more with that machete. hunter college fired her after this. rodriguez tells art news, an art magazine, that the school, quote, capitulateed to racist white nationalists in firing her. she says right wing media organizations are weaponizing and sensational ising this case to further their agenda and projecting their attacks on women, trans people, black people, latin x people, migrants and beyond. watch here. >> this is propaganda. what are you going to do, anti-trans next? >> she is still employed in new york city at the school of visual arts. the college tells fox news they

are aware of the incidents involving one of our faculty members rodriguez, not currently teaching any courses at the college. we are assessing to determine any potential next steps. right now we're working to learn if rodriguez will face a judge today and what charges she may face as we get that information. we'll bring it to you. >> dana: keep us posted, nate. thank you. >> bill: 21 past the hour now and the families of the murder victim gabby petito and brian laundrie are back in court. there is a letter that brian wrote to her son. getting a shoveling, bury a body and burn after reading. alexis mcadams has the chilling details. >> good morning, the letter is now at the center of this ongoing legal battle between these two families. one of the key pieces of evidence is a handwritten note where she writes burn after reading. her mom claims gabby gave brian

a book burned after writing that they joked about. the petito family argues this letter should have entered into the suit as major evidence. yesterday they won that in court. listen. >> the letter suggests that roberta laundrie if he needed to bury a body she with a bring up a shovel and garbage bag. >> she told the courts in march while i used words like that i would have never -- that would reflect those words in my letter. brian's parents not facing criminal charges in connection to gabby's death. >> we believe the letter as mrs. laundrie said was written prior to the trip. it doesn't reference gabby in any way. >> the civil suit alleges laundrie's parents and lawyer

said -- a lot of details coming out in the civil case. gabby's remains were discovered in wyoming and brian laundrie found dead a month later and that's when he took his life. >> bill: thanks. dana. >> dana: this is in yesterday. a jury has charged alex murdaugh with several incidents of fraud. the disgraced south carolina lawyer was convicted back in march for the murder of his wife and son. his lawyer says the fraud charges will be resolved quickly and without a trial. >> bill: check this out. a huge sinkhole swallowing the earth at a golf course in utah. not the golf course, right, the massive pit not stopping a group of teens from posing for videos. i guess i would probably do the same thing if i were 18.

one of them sitting along the edge of the hole with legs dangling. the video has more than 700,000 views on social media. it will lot a -- it will ruin the snow. >> dana: is that because of all the snow they got this winter? got a lot of it. >> bill: that they did. >> dana: also this. >> bill: springtime is a melting time. >> dana reads sports. >> dana: bill, you have to know this. the florida panthers are heading to the stanley cup finals for the first time in 27 years and did it with heart stopping drama. watch here. >> out in front. he scores! >> dana: he scored the winning goal with less than five seconds left in game four giving the pan tears a 4-3 victory over of carolina hurricanes.

do you know my friend, lauren? when she was in high school she went to a dallas hockey game there and the puck left the ice and came into the stands and hit her in the head and she passed out. one thing i know about hockey. you have to pay attention. >> bill: the golden knights are up in las vegas in that series. okay, house lawmakers set to leave the capitol for a week-long recess while the u.s. potentially stands only days away from a default. will the white house and the gop find an agreement? this man knows, kevin mccarthy. we'll talk to him coming up. a father in maryland beaten to death outside his home after defending his own son. what led to this deadly confrontation? >> he said he was on the ground at one point and he looked over and could just see his dad laying there not moving. and the other adult still

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>> dana: debt limit talks remain at a stand still. chad pergram says it could change soon. 47% of voters would blame president biden for default. 8% would blame both sides. a clarification on that. it's usually the president of the united states that's up double digits on the opponent especially the republicans in these situations. not the case this time. look at the number closely. democrats on capitol hill are trying to pin the blame solely on the gop. >> did you hear kevin mccarthy's press conference this morning? he said multiple times that he is not to blame. that means he knows he is to blame. if you have to say it that many times you are to blame. >> dana: let's bring in house speaker kevin mccarthy. will you have a deal today? >> i don't know. we worked well past midnight last night and we made progress yesterday but have a number of

items that need to get through. the most important thing here is to get an agreement worthy of the american public. remember why we're here. we have the most money at any time if you take it to gdp coming into the government. but we're spending more than we've ever spent in history since the democrats took the majority and we have the most debt that we have ever had. our debt is larger than the entire economy. we have to get this right. the republicans passed a bill in april. i sat down with the president february 1st. he said he wouldn't talk to me for 97 days. so we have a short time frame that we're trying to get this done. unfortunately every democrat in the house voted against raising the debt limit but republicans have a bill that raised the debt limit. put us on an economically stronger path to curb inflation and it is sitting in the senate. >> bill: is today possible or are you taking it off the table? >> any day is possible. it is very difficult for the democrats to agree not to spend more next year than they spent

this year. they have increased spending so drastically to try to change course is difficult. to spend less this year than we spent the year before. to put work requirements in that help people get jobs. to cap what government continues to grow at 1% in the future. to get some permitting reform so we can build things in america cutting the red tape. these are reasonable, responsible items that will make america stronger. >> bill: has the president agreed to the items you listed? >> i have had numerous discussions with the president about this and gone round and round. he knows where we are and we know where our differences are and we'll continue to be at the table to try to solve this problem. >> dana: call for three shows that nearly 60% of americans agree that congress should increase the debt limit only if there were spending cuts. that's your position. >> that's our position. >> dana: what is different -- it's unusual for the republicans to be on the -- have the upper

hand in these debates. go back to 2011 when president obama was fighting with republicans about this, what is different about your approach this time that the republicans did not do in 2011? >> i'm not sure to compare. i want to be reasonable and sensible about this. i sat down with the president february 1st. there are two things i will not do. i won't race taxes and we cannot pass a clean debt ceiling. let's negotiate. i would ask the president every week to do that. he ignored it. we put together a bill that would raise the debt limit and responsibly bring back covid money that has just sat out there. find ways to make the economy strong and we passed it. we got negotiations. i've been up front with the american public. i am not shy from our position. this is the american public position. they know the amount of debt we have, almost $32 trillion. every american goes through this. if they have a credit card and it hits the limit and you raise

the limit until you owe more on it than you make in an entire year? wouldn't you look at how you spend your money and curb your spending? that's what government has to do as well. >> bill: even these negotiations, $31 trillion in debt. it will be there and all likelihood go to 33 trillion next. republicans in the house have suspended their baseball practice for the congressional game next wednesday and thursday, which would give them the opportunity to come back in session and pass this. is that a possibility as we speak right now? >> yeah. i will hold every day possible to get this done. we'll get this done at the end of the day but we are going to get an agreement that's worthy of the american public. the one thing i will tell people is this deal won't solve all the problems. the president took a lot of things off the table. this will put us in the first step in whatever we don't achieve here we'll come back the next day to get it. we have to start working toward

being able to balance the budget and this is the first step. >> dana: you've been underestimated over and over again if you think about even going back to your vote to become speaker. there have been some who wonder if you can hold the republicans together to get this deal done. what have you been able to prove since january? >> look, if there is anything you know about me, i never give up and i will never give up on the american public. we'll get this done. i think it's benefit to be underestimated. our greatest strength is our conference. our conference is very united in this process. >> bill: a couple of things here. different words today but you said the other day we're not going to default. look at the poll that we found. 63% of americans believe that if you don't get a deal done there will be a financial catastrophe. is that really the case? janet yellen said june 1st the sky will fall. we've seen this game play out year after year.

in 2013 they roped off the world war ii memorial during a shutdown in the fall of that year and veterans came from all over america and couldn't access the memorial. in the clinton years they closed the national parks. even if you go past june 1st government can move money wherever it wants to, can it not, and extend it deep into the summer? >> in is a different type of default than government shutdown. you are correct. whoever the treasury secretary is and whatever they say the date is i will take. there is money that comes in every single day. we get to the 15th, a lot of money comes in. so this is why republicans acted well before janet yellen said june 1st was a deadline. we passed the bill in april. the senate has done nothing. chuck schumer has never passed a bill. i don't know if he has had a hearing. republicans, how they handle the border. they ignore that problem. we passed the border protection

bill. we continue to work to find solutions. whatever date they give us we have a bill sitting in the senate and i'm not fearful of a default. there is money coming in every single day. i'll take whatever date they give me and work toward it. >> bill: you would not use the word catastrophe based on that answer? >> no. we know there is money coming in and ability to get things done. we also know there is a bill that raised the debt limit. if it passed the house, sitting in the senate, action could be taken. we are in discussions now. they've been productive in many different forms. there are areas we have disagreement and know the areas we have disagreement in and work throughout to try to solve them. >> dana: nothing drives the white house more crazy than somebody being reasonable. keep coming back. we would love to have you on the show. thank you. >> thanks for doing a great show. >> this would be the first game of 162-game baseball season and

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>> dana: a lifeguard shortage that could mean no relief from the summer heat in major cities across the country. this happened last year as well. new york city only has 1-third of the lifeguards it needs. in chicago indoor pools are shutting down for the next month. some cities are so desperate for help they are offering bonuses. lydia hu is live in chicago where one pool is trying to avoid another summer without a staff.

hi, lydia. >> that's right. this pool operated by the city is one of about half that were closed all summer last year. now it's unclear whether it will reopen this summer amid the ongoing lifeguard shortage. a spokesperson for the parks department told us in a statement, quote, our goal is to open all beaches and pools this summer and we're very optimistic about the success of our hiring campaign efforts. those efforts here in chicago include a $6 hundred retention bonus, wage certification fee and free event tickets. lifeguard shortage felt across the country. they blame is tight labor market. approximately half of the country's 309,000 pools are at risk of either being unable to open or needing to reduce operating hours. some say the industry needs to focus on cultivating career lifeguards. watch. >> i have think that having

career lifeguards is something we stheed to take a big look at. having seasonal lifeguards come from colleges and high schools for the summer is great but we also need to open up a foundation for the future. >> signing bonuses you mentioned, new york city offering $1 thousand, phoenix, arizona offering $3 thousand to lifeguard recruits. here in chicago all beaches are scheduled to open tomorrow. the pools don't open until june 23rd, dana, back to you. >> dana: thank you. >> we had a huge audience. it was the biggest they had ever had. it broke the twitter space and so we're really excited with the enthusiasm. ultimately it is about the future of our country. >> bill: ron desantis looking at the big picture after a sketchy roll-out on twitter. reaction on that roll-out. the media took their shots. harold ford junior co-host of the five and joe concha, columnist at the messenger.

good day to you, gentlemen, let's go to this first, right? mainstream media, cnn, msnbc. their initial reaction last night. >> several thousand people is not that much. >> it really was an embarrassment for the desantis campaign. >> it came off almost like he was a talk radio host. not a future leader of the free world. >> it is a manifestation of what the polling has showed over the past few months. ron desantis falling further behind in the republican race for president. >> bill: a slice of things. reaction from elon musk. i call it massive attention. he wrote top story on earth today. joe, start us off. >> dare i say this launch would be panned no matter how it was presented because ron desantis, donald trump will get negative coverage from outlets like that. that he crashed the site tells you is a more of a reflection on

twitter's technical capabilities. we were talking about this before we came on. i would have done a big rally. i would have shown i can attract a crowd like trump and i would have been glad handing with people afterwards to show i could be the retail candidate and attract big crowds. i don't look at the national polls that show desantis down 35 points. i look at iowa. all the chips go to the middle of the table. trump 40, desantis 28. that striking distance for somebody who hasn't announced his candidacy yet and twice the money as trump. it's anybody's ballgame. >> dana: ron desantis is going to iowa on tuesday and his campaign says it is the official kick off. i think elon musk is willing to

blow up rockets for an experiment. >> the experiment was good for elon musk. the plat form is something that people want to watch and read. i agree with joe here. maybe i'm old-fashioned. if you run for president or any political office, particularly this one, get out and talk about your accomplishments. getting in front of a big crowd in florida, new hampshire, iowa or all three in one day, would have been a smarter way to diffuse a couple of things. the ads are on our network all the time that he raises taxes. saying he wants to raise our sales taxes. a belief for some rumor he is not good with people. i ought to defuse both of them and harp on my strength. i made florida a place for businesses to come and people who want to live. instead this is the story. i differ with you.

i don't think that all these networks would have panned it because they wanted to pan it. had he had a good send-off or launch, it would have been -- >> dana: they can't stand him like they can't stand trump. >> what he does over the next 75 next or 50 weeks. >> dana: are you counting? >> it's 256 days until iowa. >> bill: the thing about the glitch. musk explained it later in the broadcast was twitter chat. they have a bug whenever he runs a connection through his account. figure it out. get it done. last thought on what harold is saying, joe, about introducing yourself to a big audience on what you've done. >> he has a story to tell. 2.6% unemployment in florida. california is nearly twice that, for example. crime at a 50-year low in florida. his wins on education in terms of sexual orientation and gender

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sorgum. >> bill: wheat production for kansas expected 191 million bushels of wheat. if that happens, that's the lowest we've seen in 60 years. from what i understand insurance is a big part of this. some farmers intentionally kill their crops in order to stay afloat. how does that work? are you seeing that? >> i've seen just a little bit of that here. i'm in the south central kansas. more of that goes on in the western part of the state. they just did not have enough bushel potential there to make it worthwhile to harvest a crop so they killed what they've got. maintained their cover. they have a cover crop there now to protect the soil and to hopefully gather more moisture so they can have two options. let it stand until this fall in september and put out the next wheat crop or if they get substantial rain quickly they might confident putting in a

fall crop, double crop such as grain sorgum. >> bill: i learn a lot from you, ken. appreciate it. not just right now in the summertime. if you don't improving our situation, your fall crops like corn are in danger as well. how are we going to deal with that? >> well, right now my situation right here where i am sitting, i received three inches of rain in the last 2 or 3 weeks and it has been a godsend. it stabilized what's left of my wheat crop and given me a little hope for the fall crops. you know, bill, my anology is the home team just kicked a field goal at the end of regulation. now we're in overtime. we don't know how this will end but we're still in the ballgame. >> bill: i hope you win. got to believe there is a lot of anxiety among a lot of farmers in that part of the country. last comment on that? >> yes, anxiety is a big thing, frustration and worry. a lot of folks have debt service

to take care of and families to take care of. when you go this long without moisture, substantial moisture, you lose your ability to enact a plan b, c or d. it hinges on the precious moisture that comes from above. >> bill: we a saying a prayer for you, ken. we'll stay in contact and hope for the best. >> thank you very much, bill. >> dana: great guy. fox news alert top of the hour. three big stories topping the news. first an outdoor public safety meeting in san francisco descending into chaos. mayor breed and other city leaders are forced to retreat as the crowd gets rowdy and violent. fans of the man accused of killing four idaho college students are ordered to appear before a grand jury to investigate the mystery of a