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duffie. we begin with the latest republican entering the 2024 race, ron desantis. he finally announced his ambition during an event last night. desantis joined our own trace gallagher on fox news last night. >> i am running to load a great american comeback. we know the country is on the wrong track. we see it with our own eyes and and we feel it in our bones. we have a president who's a listless vessel and not dealing with the challenges. it does not have to be this way. it is a choice. we can choose a better pathway. >> desantis outlined what he would do on his first day in the

oval office. >> what's the first thing president desantis would do? >> the border, there is a lot you can do, ripping out biden's anti-american policy, you can do some of that executive and legislative as well and reconstitute aligning the administrative states, we have a proxy that's out of control. you need to be willing to use article two power to bring the administrative states to heal. i will do that. >> despite harsh criticism from both sides of the isle, another candidate, president hopeful ron desantis is embracing the competition. >> i don't mind being called different things. i have been called anything. that does not fazed me. you can call me whatever you want. just make sure you call me a winner because that's what we have done in the state of florida. that's what we'll do nationally and not only in the election but actually bringing all these great policies to bare.

>> shawn duffie, what do you make of the strength of his message and the clarity of it given the technological difficulties that he encountered when he first announced his launch. >> it was more effective had been been counting sheep than watching that announcement. number one, number two, the amount of energy you get from a crowd and 5,000 people in front of you and the feed that comes from that, sitting in front of a screen with elon musk. elon is great, he's a power house himself. he's still a stage. ron wanted to have the stage that night. i didn't like this announcement from ron and his wife put out a video with a guy with a british accent which we fought a war to get rid of the british. i don't know why they did that. ron desantis would not be governor if it was not for donald trump. desantis stepped in and boosted his campaign. if that were to happen to me, i

don't know if i would run against the guy that made my political career. there is something about character that comes into play. he's been a great governor and great results. he's clear on what he has to do to fix the country. >> interesting analysis, tudor. we'll get your thoughts on that. a fox polls shows that donald trump is in the lead to sean's point at 57%. some articulates of college education republicans or those who are rural and don't have collegiate degrees what does it say of the strength of desantis' message last night. the following is unique for donald trump and people forget this. there are people that come out for donald trump that come out for no one else. no other republicans. that's a wild card there. who's actually going to vote for donald trump? does it reflect in those numbers?

>> for someone talking so much about covid and being locked behind screens and he decided to have an announcement behind screens. one that we have not seen his face. he was criticized to not be able to connect people. that announcement is when you have all supporters around you and we see how many people who love you and interact with them. why would you choose this when we finally gotten away with being locked behind the screen. >> optics matter. so, why don't we listen for a second of what desantis says he should do and what we should do regarding the primary debate, watch. >> we should debate. the people want the hear it. i grew up blue collar and nobody is entitled to anything. you got to earn it. all of us have to go out and

earn it. the debate is a big part of the process. >> now, some argued that sort of a vailed reference to donald trump who said he may skip those debates. i am curious, your thoughts to that and the point that president biden said he might skip debates as well. can you speak o the importance of the strategy of acknowledging the debate and how americans need to hear and see that energy, tudor. >> president biden will be show up to the debate. full strengths behind president biden and later ron mcdaniel, the rnc did that for president trump and clearing the field. there were candidates running against president trump who did

not get their time in the sun at all. desantis was still running and stripped off the ballot in certain states that decided to by pass the entire system. that's a bit of a false flag in terms of comparison. to desantis launch and i was on yesterday. there are 271 million people who are roaming around twitter, maybe this is smart. they can chop it off and he'll get great sound byte on this. he can have rally next week or tomorrow night. our time is skewed in this digital world, right? or, it did not matter. hearing twitter did not check to make sure that they could handle 600,000 people who tried to get in out of the gate, obviously, that dwindles down and it reflects on twitter. the big thing for me is ron desantis is not my candidate of choice. he had a lot in his biography.

he came out with trey gaudy. he wanted him to talk about his military service. instead of doing that, he pivoted to gender ideology problem. he has a working class background. working class people don't talk about to be woke mind virus and esg and whatever george sorrell is going to do to our country. they want to hear people about teachers and farmers and etc. he totally missed the boat. joe biden was criticized on the red by some democrats by launching the video. desantis wants a victory lap of a million dollars. >> we don't know the amount of those individual donors to your point. everything you said, i sort of thinking the editorial board

that called him more of a cultural brawler. i i what i am hearing sort of represents that. harris, you covered so many presidential campaigns and announcements, what do you make of the success of his and the rating? >> so, i don't think in the long run is going matter. i am going to take an opposition here. he's got some big events next week after memorial day. he hits iowa and new hampshire, four stops in new hampshire, south carolina, three stops there. we know the importance of those early voting states and south carolina where you already have at least two in the gop-nominated race, and a president decided he wants to skip over new hampshire and puts south carolina first and try to get the black folks. now, he's shedding from 90% to 50% in recent polling. it highlights the fact. i agree with jessica on this. putting so much into those initial moments online and so on

and so forth, this was about elon musk. didn't we see that? >> his video is full of images of elon musk. so strange. >> musk puts out a street and oh, the door is opened to all the rest of the presidential candidates who want to come on my platform and blah, blah. this is business. it should have been the business of ron desantis. it will be. he'll refocus and get back out there. but, what it gave was something i didn't really think i would see. that was from one platform to another. a man who fights to fight former president trump and gets on and takes his whole idea and puts himself in one of the pictures. did you see that? he was watching on twitter. that gave the former president

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>> a conservative advocacy group had put out a warning. the warning follows lawmakers passing legislations to override out of state parental rights.

the group says families traveling to california or minnesota could be at risk of losing custody to their children. it is frightening and enraging to think such a policy have taken hold here in the united states. tudor, what do you think of this? >> it is a political play. i like the fact that it brings attention to it but i would like to see legs behind it. this is where we fail on our side of the isle is this is a real concern because i question why do you have these bills and the gender-affirming care? i think this is a big money industry and so a lot of folks are saying oh, this is not opportunity to bring kids in and do surgeries and make money. there is a lot to unpack here. this is a one starting point but let's make sure the message is getting out. the democrats are phenomenal at getting their message out whether it is in commercials or through even target and what we

are seeing when we go buy things everyday. when is our side? when are the people who are conservatives and concerned with this going to make sure we are sending out digital messaging? >> what this is, is you don't have to get parental permission, your child can go across state lines which is trafficking. we won't even get into that. and we can cut on them and give them, you know, drugs to change their hormonal makeup so on and so forth. what's the clash back to that? >> i think it is a person who never had their body parts cut-off. i have gone through breast cancer and i had a double mastectomy, i know what it is to look at your body and not have it be the same. as a mom, i know what it is like to have my daughter have her entire room decked out in harry potter one day and the next day don't want anything to do with

harry potter. there are phases and changes in life. when people tell you this is reversible? it is not. it is not the same. we have to take it seriously to let kids grow up, explore who they are and learn their sexuality. we all got that chance. let's give every child that chance. i am not saying there is not a point in time where children may say i am something else. >> but, i am saying kids need that chance to grow up without having permanent changes to their body. >> sean? >> this is a break down of parental rights as you mentioned. we have a culture that protected kids, to your point, they make bad decisions and we protected them regarding their sexuality. if anyone goes online and you look at a picture of what a transition looks like and how catastrophically and horrified

frankinstein-esque, it is really disturbing. you won't do it again. we have ruined the lives of little kids. republicans wanted to transition all these kids like they said with defund the police. if republicans are standing out for the rights of kids and make decisions when they're adults. >> jessica, i think we are in such a tender spot right now of people who feel like they have not been seen and as tudor said, been given the right to grow and become whoever they want to be. those of us who are parents wanted to live across the divide of where they are now and where they'll be just don't do anything that's permanent. as you said, we are both raising teenagers, and you are too. you may change, not just your minds but your hormones. i want to give you a chance to be grown and seen. this is a tough spot. >> it is an incredibly difficult

political terrain. something you would not think it would turn into politics. >> why do politicians have to get involved? why do the left have to say we want to give you a place to come where you can get cut on and you don't need parental permission slips. >> liberals are reacting to conservatives and states like texas and alabama. louisiana is saying their kids can't get gender-affirming care. the policies in california and minnesota are not for miners coming on their own. they're for families that are seeking refuge from states that do not offer the gender-affirming care that have been approved by doctors. # this is the american psychiatric association who all support the fact that there are people who may not be old enough to think is okay to do this but know in their hearts they are born in the wrong bodies and they want to take steps to change that. it is opposite of stripping

parental rights. it is allowing parents to be able to do what they want and support them. >> one parent can bring their child from texas to minnesota and the other one is back in michigan or texas saying listen, i don't want this to happen to my child. they're confronted of what one parent wants and one does not. >> that's where the custodial issues come up. there is no arguing that. if you have that kind of agreement with both parents so on and so forth, the sticking point is what sean had said. that's why this idea of i can lose custody with my child with one parent taking the kid. be on the lookout for. we go after parents who take kids out of cutodial situations. >> there is a slippery slope. we are not talking about something that's proven. >> right. >> that's acting as if doctors

are so irresponsible about this. i have not seen one interview with a doctor, read one example -- >> it is a pretty private situation. it is hippa laws. i don't know if we'll know the relationships between adults in that situations and the parents and the doctor. >> it is similar messaging of the abortion issue where people are saying folks are taking it lightly. >> no one said that. >> i don't care what doctors say. you are sterilizing children when they are 15 years old. that's a problem. you can be a psychiatrist or a doctor. if you say that's okay, you are wrong, i am sorry. i don't care what doctors say. >> let's get emily into the conversation. >> there are multiple pieces of legislations, yes, the non consenting adults play into this and certain pieces of legislation. my issue is that, the first one,

that's an emergency situation. to your point, tudor, emergency, this requires time and attention. the gender-affirming marker, this care that we are talking about that have irreversible consequences. that's not an emergency. they are already in the law and in the court baked into it. so, this is not that. i worry to your point for a memorial decision-making process, a complicated one. if one child and one adult is considering something, and we act on that and the court comes in and shut out a non-consenting adult and say it is in the best interest of the child. that's a short term action for a long-term consequence that deserves much gravity and weight. >> it is not contemporaneous

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>> the poem entitled "the hill we climbed" by amanda gorman. a parent complained that it contains hate messages. it was determined at the school that "the hill we climbed" was

better for middle school children. the book remains available in the media center. the media was quick to jump on that story. the headlines declared the poem was banned and the narrative made its way up to the white house. >> banning books is censorship, period. that's what it is. when you ban a book, you are censoring. it limits american freedom, american freedom and we should stand against that type of act when it comes to banning of books. >> even the reporter there questioning the headline.

what do you say about the left wing media sort of continuing to perpetuate things that ended up being debunked or requiring one more sentence or one more deliberation of nuance of articulation before we say oh, those are the facts. >> this is a tough one. while access to is not the same thing as banning, via school districts or individual schools are making decisions on recommendation of most cases of one person. there is one angry parent who thinks it is inappropriate for whatever age group and the schoolings are complying with that. "the washington post" did an analysis of this. the majority of the complaints are coming from 11 individuals. talk about tyranny of the minority there. i went back to middle school sixth to eighth grades, i went back to look at amanda's poems,

is there anything crazy in there? one line, she does say we are not working towards a perfect union, we are working towards that. we see harmony to none. i don't know how that's a message for a ten-year-old or a nine nine-year-old. they should be outraged who thinks this is an abuse and it will only get worse. we talked about it a few months ago that a judy bloom book forever which i read growing up was banned about high school students who are in love, considering having sex. that was all of us, right? i don't want to put you guys on the spot. that's a normal thing that's going on in kids' lives. when you start to take material like that off of the shelves, you are creating book bans and a place where kids can't go to find things to help them understand themselves and to learn. >> sean, i want to focus on that point, let's play a spot when we

heard on msnbc. the book was not banned and yet here is how it is portrayed. watch. >> the poem is called "the hill we climb. " access to the printed copy of gourmand's poem have been restricted in the school's library because one parent complained about it. sean, two takeaway there. number one, book banning does not equal to restricting and yet to them it does. if a parent raises a question then the board should investigate. that should reassure all parents any questions they have will be taken seriously. it is not because one person complains it is because a policy, a parent raises a question and the board investigates and they did not ban it as a result. >> the media steps in and tells us the story that florida bans his books in a day that desantis

announcing his presidency and did not ban anything, right? >> karine jean-pierre says banning books is not censorship. what hypocrisy? >> and there are more hypocrisies to talk about. if you look at what the left did with dr. suess books as well. i went out and bought those books for my black and white biracial children. i love dr. seuss, it gives you an opportunity to talk about those things. before you could not find those books really more because it was a ban. it was not just a ban. it was a retrieval from the market. you could not get it. i wanted my kids to see all things are on the table. when the left was wanting to take statutes down because so and so owns slaves. you are going to tear down the george washington bridge? i am going to have to swim to work. what are we doing here? i do

think if we got to do this, its got to be more than one parent and a conglomerate people talking about this issue. this was not a banning. i just gave you examples of what were banned. >> and to also to sean's point, a lot of questions are being raised of the language. words are violent. literature for a four-year-old and five-year-old is helpful. >> i think that banning is another word because this is something that even came up in my campaign was they kept on saying i wanted to ban books and never did i say i wanted to ban books. even if it is just one parent who comes through the table and says i am concerned about this and oftentimes that one person is what sparks other people to say wow, i had no idea and i am glad or other people say this is

hysterics. this is not at that case. this is available to everyone in middle school. again, it is a case of the media running with the story that's not there, but it really hurts par parents' rights. that's the goal. >> i don't think any parents is hurt by their ten-year-old who is having access to a poem that was read. >> i am sorry, it does not belong here. you have sexual books that don't belong in the libraries of kids. take them out and extrapolate that. >> there are book bans going on. >> in all the country. >> where does everyone stands on judy bloom? >> i never read judy bloom. >> everyone read judy bloom. >> was i supposed to read judy bloom? >> it was targeted because

certain people felt there were race issues in there. >> that came from a family also. >> yeah. >> it didn't come from a random mom of liberty. >> it came from a person from the left. >> appropriateness plays into it. >> i love to continue it because it did not just come from family. >> so much for to come as calls grow for 89-year-old diane feinstein to resign. governor newsom is considering oprah winfrey as her possible replacement. we know you care. [music plays] but if this is all too real for you and your loved ones. ♪ make the call. because we care too. ♪ home instead.

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democrats are frustrated of what to do with the 89-year-old diana feinstein. newsom has pledged to a point of a black woman to the senate if given the opportunity to fill her seat. did he mention merits too? he also reportedly flirted the idea of having television host oprah winfrey taking on feinstein's job. what do you think about that, sean? >> you think she wants the job? >> she has too much money and freedom to do it. i find it fascinating that democrats are so concern about diane feinstein and have no regards for joe biden. he should run again and be 86 at the end of the presidency. it is unbelievable of the hypocrisy, though. >> tudor. >> i look at this, this is a

woman who had her whole career and she's someone who's older. we were talking about somebody and maybe this is a name id thing or maybe we feel like the country has to know you. there are so many amazing, young women out there who are just starting their careers in the political world. i would love to see some of those women given a chance, too. women are overlooked in these roles. as i love oprah and the same as you say, i think she's amazing and i would love to see some younger women be given this opportunity who don't have that name id and they could get it. >> emily, i get excited of the thought of people coming on and wanting that job and coming from every angle. i think the word merit is not mentioned a lot. i think representation is critical. so is competency and being ready for that position. on either end of the spectrum whether you are 90 or 30 or

whatever, that's really what it comes down to and saying i want to put a black woman in that role is kind of like biden picking the vice president. we didn't get to learn about kamala harris. >> as a native californian, i wish governor newsom would come out and say i am going to appoint the most qualified and incredible person out there and then it is going to be surprise of what it is and it will of course be a diverse woman. it is going to be amazing. i wish it was not so limiting. he's limiting himself. to your point, i agree. why do people want it to be oprah? because she's unifying? is it because she's positive? is it because you have a gift under every seat? what i mean to say is that there is a positivity and an optimism that she's associated with. the reality of politics is ugly. you can't get a free of this and

unify everyone. i would love a former business owner to step in, a small one and not a conglomerate owner. gavin newsom, there is as deeper population in that state, find someone that'll do incredible things legislatively. >> it could be a man, too. i hate to say it has to be a woman because we have under representation of asian men and black men. black men should not be skipped over. >> i would like everyone to be representatives and i would like that to be the case perhaps, centuries. it has not been. there is a lot of grounds to make up for. if feinstein resigns and hillary clinton spells it out in her interview, the issue is that feinstein is not ailing, she is cht - the president will get no

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her cool in a middle of a drive-by shooting. >> the city of portland battling a devastating homelessness crisis. heartbreaking images are impossible to miss. the amount of homeless people increased 50% from 2019 to 2022. and now legendary musician john mellencamp released a song calling out city leaders and their failure to solve the problem. listen. ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ ♪ there were old ones ♪ ♪ and young ones ♪ ♪ white ones and black ones ♪ ♪ so many people ♪ ♪ stuck on the street ♪ ♪ with nowhere to go ♪ ♪ and nothing to do ♪ ♪ all of these homeless ♪ ♪ where do they come from ♪ ♪ in this land ♪ ♪ when nothing is done ♪ >> tudor, the land of plenty where nothing gets done. >> i think people get to see this outside because we were talking about where i am from, we don't see homelessness because it does not seem like a problem everyday. when you are in the city, you are used to it. it is something we need to consider is that homelessness is also an industry. it becomes something that a lot of government money gets put towards. everybody has jobs.

is there enough motivation to solve homelessness when hundreds of millions of dollars go in employing people. >> the money continues to spike going towards it so, too, does the homelessness. throwing money at it does not work. >> and the mental health budget that's missing here in new york, we don't know why it didn't help people. it is heartbreaking and it is reflected in mellencamp's song. it makes me think a lot about how many people are speaking up in san francisco. it is nearly recognizable because of the homelessness and drug abuse. >> it is a heartbreaker. >> none of them are recognizable. >> there is a few people whose jobs it is to fix it. does gavin newsom spend time on the street of san francisco among those who are homeless. you can track a whole industry

to help you out. we know in that state, they spend so much money and that's before the reparations. >> you know, if you don't have somebody who's willing to do that, you takeaway one of your biggest tools and it is always been about leadership. >> yeah. >> we look at homelessness and it is a problem. what's causing the homelessness and you mentioned of drug used and abused. and mental illness leads to homelessness. i think these liberal cities have to rethink their policies. this is the end consequences of really bad policies they want to try out. let's go back to a different direction of working in conservative cities. i don't think they'll do that. that's how you address homelessness is change the policies in the state. >> policies when mayor newsom of san francisco failed, the homeless population went skyrocketed and we went onto

being governor. are all those west coast cities incentivized to being homeless. it is shameful. more "outnumbered" in a minute. ♪ ♪ where do these homeless ♪ ♪ where do they come from ♪ ♪ why is nothing being done ♪

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equity plan. when bus passengers tested the new addition, many said it was too narrow to provide any shade for even one person. notice they chose those of us darkest for the shade because we gave up on the tan? what is that. $10,000 for that. shawn. >> we are $32 trillion in debt as a nation, cities and states almost bankrupt and to spend 10,000 on this, outrageous. government is out of con control. >> they want us really thin to get some shade. >> it is hot there. i guess why people need a shady spot. >> the other day i saw a blind man sitting in the direct sun at a bus stop with zero shade. tax dollars need to be utilized better. this is a joke. know where your tax dollars are going, demand they go to good use, not ridiculous use. >> and not just for minorities. if you or i walk up to it, girl, you can have the

shade. i am just saying. >> it is just fake. >> they're allergic to the truth. then you need more shade because you have a rash. thanks for watching. "america reports" is next. >> i don't know if we have a thing going round and round. he knows where we are. this deal won't solve all the problems. the president took a lot of things off the table but this will put us in the first step. >> that was house speaker kevin mccarthy, giving an update on where debt talks stand today. we are seven days out from potential default. any moment press secretary karine jean-pierre is set to brief