the community through profits and maybe do bark at the park night. that doesn't cause any controversy. stay away from this stuff, you're going to al nate your fan base. >> rachel: that's for sure. i can't unsee what i saw. thank you, joe. always love having you. >> thank you for watching jesse watters prime time i'm rachel campos-duffy don't forget to catch my podcast from the kitchen table with my husband sean and catch friends weekend 6:00 a.m. to 10:00 ♪ >> trey: good evening i'm trey gowdy thank you for joining us whchlt merrick garland was sitting before the senate judiciary committee asking to be confirmed as the attorney general for the united states he made certain promises, he promised to be the lawyer of all people. he promised an office devoid of partisan politics and fairness without regard to political orthodoxy and not an extension of the president. he promised the department of justice worthy of your respect. he promised to reign in the

abuses of those in power to take your liberty, your property, your reputation, and, inin deed, your life. he promised a humility so often found with the powerful embrace fairness as their foundation. it sure doesn't seem that way, does it? >> gary sappily is a supervisory special agent for the irs where he's worked for 14 years. in january 2020, he was assigned to what he calls a high profile investigation. >> who's the subject of the investigation? >> i can't confirm or deny the subject of this investigation. >> why not. >> because part of the tax secrecy laws don't allow it. >> he can't say it but cbs news learned the investigation was the probe of hunter biden by the trump-appointed us attorney if delaware. cbs news has obtained this letter his lawyer sent to congress monday alleging irregularities in doj's handling of the investigation. schapley is seeking legal

protections from congress so he can share specifics of his allegations. >> there were multiple steps that were slow-walked at the direction of the department of justice. >> had you ever encountered that before. >> i have not, no. these deviations from normal process and each and every time, have seemed to always benefit the subject. >> trey: that is a federal law enforcement agent complaining become prosecutors acting too slowly on a case involving the son of the man merrick garland works for. deviating from what would happen to you and each and every deviation benefits the suspect. what about law enforcement? law enforcement officers have no more power than what you give them. they are not born in power to search or seize or arrest. these powers are to be used fairly and justly and based on facts and never as retribution. journalist matt taibbi was the target of some unusual irs tactics after he uncovered

government wrong doing in the twitter files and here's what he told john roberts about that experience. >> i'm curious that they opened an investigation into you on christmas eve of last year, which happened to be a saturday. how many folks at home think that they could ever get in touch with anybody from the irs on christmas eve, particularly on a saturday, yet they're coming an investigation into you. >> yeah, they're opening an investigation into me on saturday, on christmas eve, on the same day that i just released a report about the ties between the fbi and other enforcement agencies and tech platforms, and it was a three-year old case and i didn't owe them any money. so all of those factors combined to make the optics of this really strange. you would wonder what supervisor would be calling an agent on a saturday and asking them to come into work to open up a case on that day. >> trey: which brings us to the fbi. the former director admitted he

did something to president trump he would not have even tried with president obama. former deputy director met with agents to hatch an insurance policy in case a certain republican won the white house. the lead fbi agent in charge of investing republican presidential candidate said he could smell the supporters of that candidate in a wal-mart. former general counsel for the fbi wound up finding a home at twitter while other agents, removed from the bureau, found a home on liberal cable news channels. people in charge at the bureau have changed but has the bureau itself changed? inspector general's been critical. special counsel's been critical. and at least one candidate on the republican side for president has promised changes if he is elected. >> i would not keep chris wray as director of the fbi there would be a new one on day one, iity that's very important. in terms of the attorney general you need someone with a very

strong backbone. you need someone who knows if you're going in there and you're taking care of business, the washington post is not going to like you. new york times is not going to like you. you're going to get attacked by cnn and you have to wear that as a badge of honor. you can't try to please polite society because otherwise you'll just get captured by the institution itself and i think the doj and fbi have lost their way. i think that they've been weaponized against americans who think like me and you. and i think that they've become very partisan. as president, you have a responsibility to be involved in holding those agencies accountable, clearing out people who are not doing the job, and making sure that they're doing the people's business and they're not abusing their authority. >> trey: if and when the obituary for this country is written, it will include a line about the day the department of justice was politicized. politics tends to ruin everything it comes in contact with and the department of

justice is no exception. joining us now is a man who used to work for the department of justice, he was the u.s. attorney for the great state of texas, he served in the house and was the director of national intelligence, john lee ratcliffe joins us now. director been a terrible seven years for the bureau and the department. let's just start with the allegation from a federal agent that prosecutors are dragging their feet in a case involving the president's son. i mean, look, this is not like a complicated crypto currency commodities case. it's like and buying on a firearm application and some tax matters. >> right. well, trey, you know, one of the things in the durham report that was confirmed, there's been so much talk about a two-tiered system of justice, some would say a 2-party system of justice, the durham report confirmed that. remember, he basically talked about, when it came to hillary clinton and investigations into her, it was a red light. everything stopped, slow walk it. don't investigate. when it came to donald trump, it

was a green light. in fact, it was warp speed, how fast can you go. and even if you look at how that russia hoax opened up, trey, compare that where a guy walks into the fbi and says, hey, i was in a bar in london, i toqued some guy that works on the trump campaign and they're talking about russia, and 48 hours later the fbi opens a full field counter intelligence investigation, opens up on four trump campaign associates, and the fbi director's pushing to go to the fisa court with a fake dossier. compare that to what you just heard, a guy like gary schapley, saying hey i worked for the government my name's gary schapley and i'm saying under penalty of pushingry this thing's being slow walked, hunter biden's getting preferential treatment. the names have changed but the problem is the same. instead of clinton now it's biden. and, you know, it's a cultural problem that is continuing here.

>> trey: you know, director, i can't speak for you. being a prosecutor was the best job i've ever had. i suspect it's among the best you ever had. i wonder what changed and when? what happened to the department? i mean, can you put your finger on a time and say, that's when the blind fold slipped from lady justice? >> well, i think where we saw it, trey, was back in the obama administration. and i don't know, you know, how they went about, you know, staffing at the department of justice and at the fbi, but really we can trace it back to, you know, from that be point forward, it has been a really political justice system. and, unfortunately, most of the abuses have gone one way. it's gone against one party most of the time. i mean, you talked about, you know, the fbi director, you know, the problem here, trey, is this is a cultural problem.

i heard the answer that ron desantis gave and i would expect every republican running for president to say the same thing. en a's not personal as to the current director but things at the fbi and the department of justice are getting worse, they're not getting better. trey, you and i raised the issue of possible fisa abuse. the fbi told us it was nonsense we shouldn't look into it t inspector general came in and agreed with us saying there were 17 violations of law and the fbi director, the current director, came out and said it was wrong to spy on the trump campaign but this will never happen again, we are putting in policies and procedures to prevent it. well, then we find out last week that that very same tool, the foreign surveillance intelligence act was used 270 times inappropriately to conduct warrantless searches on americans and only one out of every 1,000 was appropriate. so, you know, things are getting worse not getting better, and

what the fbi and the department of justice need is someone who's going to put the interest of the american people in front of the interest of the fbi. we need an informer a disrupter, someone who's going to put the american people's interest first and we haven't had that for the last six or seven years at least. >> trey: director i'm going to do something i don't get a chance do very often which is to quote chuck todd. chuck todd, even chuck todd said the bureau needs to be looked at. he lovess the phrase a church style commission. i don't care what style commission it is, but you've got people on the left also complaining about the bureau. you've got people on the right who have had seven years' worth. look, if a republican wins, director radcliffe, they're going to ask you to either be the attorney general or be the director of the fbi, one or the other. so you need to come up with your answer to them or you can tell

us what reforms you would make if you said yes. >> well, i don't know. i think, you know, one thing that i would recommend to whoever the next republican president is, is you need to change the dynamic here. when i talk about a disrupter, i'm talking about doing something differently. we've had bob mueller, we've had jim comey, we've had christopher wray all former federal prosecutors and lawyers have a tendency to want to defend their client and they want top defend the fbi even when those interests conflict with, you know, interfering with the rights of the american people. and i think that what we need is someone who's going to look at it differently and really undertake a full reconstruction. we don't need to defund the fbi. we need to reform it completely and align its interests where it's supposed to be, which is to protect and serve the american people, not the fbi itself and not to defend the fbi but to defend the american people. and we haven't had that. >> trey: i think you put your

finger on it. i think when your number one objective is to defend the reputation of your entity above everything else, this is what you get. director john lee radcliffe, thank you for joining us. >> you bet, thanks trey. >> trey: oprah for senate, rumors are swirling california governor gavin newsome wants to replace dianne feinstein with the media titan oprah winfrey. raymond arroyo joins us with more. and cancer drugs are facing massive shortages. what are physicians having to do to provide treatment? more after the break. ♪

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>> all right, open your boxes. open your boxes. one, two, three [cheers and applause]. >> you get a car! you get a car! you get a car! you get a car! you get a car! everybody gets a car! everybody gets a car. >> trey: you would think dianne feinstein was a republican the way she's treated by her own party. first she was chpgd in 2018 by a candidate who ran to the left of her and got 48% of the vote and

then senator feinstein made a huge mistake of hugging one of her republican colleagues after a committee hearing. you can't do that. the left wing of her party wanted her replaced as the chair of senate judiciary and now the left wants her to resign so governor gavin newsome can appoint a replacement. feinstein has already announced she's leaving at the end of this term but that ain't quick enough for some. three members of the house from california are already running to replace feinstein including barbara lee and katie porter and adam schiff. if senator feinstein does decide to leave early or more aptly pushed out governor newsome has said he will replace her with a black female which seems to rule out schiff and porter. but does it rule out oprah winfrey? rumors are swirling that newsome would pick the media titan but why would she take that job. joining us now is raymond arroyo. raymond why in the world --

first of all, if she gave me a car, i might support her, too. it has not happened yet. i haven't gotten a whole lot from either one of my senators. i haven't gotten a moped. but why in the world would oprah winfrey want to go to the united states senate? >> well, first of all, gavin newsome the governor of california has committed himself to a pointing a black woman to replace dianne feinstein if given the opportunity. now i guess queen latifah and angela bassett weren't available so oprah was the next on the list. who knows. but, look, trey, there's no way oprah's going to take this job. she's queen of montecito. she has spent a career, decades, telling her audience, what to eat, where to move, what to drink, she's not going to reverse that as you know being a public servant and having the audience tell her what to do. ain't gonna happen. i get did it, people are reading her commencement speeches which we just heard about a week ago

in tennessee and it does sound like the running platform of the democratic party but i just don't see her doing this. and tonight her spokesman said oprah is not considering the seat should it become open. now, i like the vagaries in that, she's not considering it but she could take it, but i rather doubt it. i don't think so trey. >> trey: she is wildly popular, you know, politics aside. i mean, wildly popular. i can think of nothing that would jeopardize your popularity quite like running for office. >> right. >> trey: so she's a billionaire. if she wanted, she could make a movie about being a senator and come out much better financially and, quite frankly, still be much more popular. so i don't know. i mean, whether it's michelle obama or oprah winfrey, i hear these rumors that people are going to run for president or the senate but they have great lives. why would they ruin it and be in the u.s. senate. >> no, these are fantasias trey.

you know the cost of being in public office, this is a tough life. you have to hear everybody griping about you, whatever decision you make there's a group in your constituency that hates you for it. oprah does not want to be in that position. but i'm glad she taught gavin newsome the one line, you get a senate seat, you get a senate seat you get a senate seat. but at the end of the day the real story is gavin newsome preying on a base of the democratic party pandering shamelessly to them by locking himself in to not only a female appointee but a black female appointee and he's only doing that to cover his hindquarters because he gave kamala harris seat to a white guy, alex padilla and this is to make up for that. so put oprah aside for a second and look at the raw, craven political calculus at play here and realize what newsome is about. oprah i don't think is going to be taking this show on the road. >> trey: i served with adam schiff, it's been a little while

since i have a seen him but i don't think he checks either one of the boxes, either one one of the requirements that gavin newsome has set so why in the world is he running? >> well, i think he wants that seat. that's the other obstacle to all these people. newsome, oprah and your friend adam schiff. dianne feinstein is still in the chair and she has not decided whether to let go of it or not they're going to have to wait and it looks like dianne feinstein looks to serve out her term. so whoever gets it it's not going to be any of these three candidates who so desperately want it katie porter barbara lee or your friend schiff. and oprah she's going to be at the next michelle obama event but she ain't going to the senate i can tell you. >> trey: i can tell you raymond, if this were a montana senate seat, they would not be pushing them out because that's a red state but california they want to push her out. raymond arroyo, thank you so much for joining us. >> we are living in a magnificent time as it relates to medicine and our ability to stay well, or recover from

illness or injury. there is seemingly a therapy or a cure for most everything, or at least a way to treat it. what if the technology was there but you could not quite reach it? what if the cure had been found but you could not access it. our country is facing a shortage of cancer drugs and other lifesaving medications. how did we get here? and what can be done about it and how quickly can it be done given the fact that life literally hangs in the balance. joining us now is dr. marc siegel. thank you so much for being here, doc. i guess people are wondering how did we get here? is it a supply chain issue? is it there's no profit in some of these drugs? how did we get here. >> let me tell you how we got here. 90% of the drugs we use for these life-saving conditions that you're talking about are generic. generics have a very narrow profit margin. if the drug's been around a while, a generic company like

teva in israel is not going to compete with 15 other companies. they look for a market that they can control. and if the government isn't paying enough, hello, welcome to that. listen to our government. medicare and medicaid paying less and less for these drugs tgenerics are not going to produce them and then the government starts regulating. look at the inflation reduction act saying if you raise prices faster than inflation you have to give a rebate. guess who gets the rebate? not the patient, not the hospital. it's the middleman, the middleman that's putting it all together just to make sure that the drugs get into the hospital. all of that going on leads to a shortage. and you know what that means for a doctor like me? it means i can't prescribe the life-saving drug i need. i've got to delay treatment for things like cancer, for intravenous for life threatening asthma. let me give you one specific example you're going to be amazed at. bladder cancer. for bladder cancer we use a

local bacteria that we insert into the bladder. that's now great shortage. you know what we have to do? we have to give more powerful, more poisonous chemo therapies to patients that we would give that treatment for if we could get it. government. >> trey: sounds like it is economics, not supply chains, not government regulations it's the economics of where drug companies can make money or is that a simple minded way of looking at it. >> you are naefr simple minded that is exactly right. i will a put it another way. we have so much exposure in the media about greedy drug companies we lost the headlines. we're 300 drugs short right now, huge numbers. but it's generics. generics stay out of the headlines they don't get the headlines. we talk about drugs, adderall, but not chemotherapy or intravenous drugs because janer i cans make them. they don't make money. they don't make the same kind of

money so they don't have flexibility or resilience. and then what if their manufacturing plant gets hit by a citation? here we go again with government regulation. now that may be fair. i want to be protected. i don't want a contaminated drug but that costs money. >> trey: you're rightment lot of discussion about weight loss drugs and not so much about pediatric cancer. dr. marc siegel thank you so much for joining us. >> great to see you. >> trey: conservatives are fighting back against companies that align with the left. target is the latest corporation in the cross hairs. more on that from senator tom cotton from arkansas next. ♪ meet the team... behind the team. the coach. the manager. and the snack dad. all using chase to keep up with their finances. the coach helps save goals here, because she saved for soccer camp there. anddd check this out... the manager deposited a check. magic. and the snack dad? he's getting paid back. orange slicesss. because this team all has chase.

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>> trey: target is a department store which certainly seems appropriately named because it is a target of anger from some of its customers, which means it will be a target for anger from other customers which makes you wonder why companies get involved in issues which are sure to anger someone.

is it good for business to sell provocative clothes designed by a self-proclaimed satanist. is it possible for a restaurant to just be a restaurant anymore or a clother store to just sell clothes or has everything become part of whatever issue seems to be the issue of the day? is everything a proxy for the cultural issues of the day? and what did target think would happen after watching bud light? target has had a very bad week and that was even before the devil got involved. senator tom cotton saw combat duty in war but this is a different war fought with bathing suits and children's tanks and not guns and tanks but he joins us now. welcome. i've been trying to avoid getting run over in new york all week so i missed this story. i think that you have been following it based on your twitter feed. give us your take on it. >> trey, it's remarkably bad judgment by yet another company

that's been hijacked by left wingers at its corporate headquarters. we've seen this before with delta and coca-cola when they attacked the georgia election law, the los angeles dodgers rec recently ccurrying favor and now target. these ceos with their multi mill stock packages would have as much common sense as a 20-something basketball player did when michael jordan said republicans buy sneakers as well so target shouldn't be surprised they've seen millions of dollars drop off their market cap. they shouldn't be surprised if that continues because they've been attempting to market trans clothing and other items directly to children contrary to their own claims. and, of course, parents don't appreciate it. >> trey: all right, i don't know of anyone that doesn't leak tom cotton but let's assume hypothetically there is someone. they are free to not vote for you. they are free to work for your

opponent in your next reelection. they're free to not donate to you. so what is different when people who don't like what target is doing just decide they're going to shop somewhere else? i mean, that, to me, i don't know what the right word is, my mom walked me out of grease when i was a teenager it's been going on a while, a consequence of making decisions. you can laugh but i never got to see grease. it's a consequence of decisions and people have the right to do it right? >> exactly trey and now target is criticizing its own customers for being upset about this for the fact these displays are right next to childrens sections in the front of a store where a child goes by. they shouldn't be surprised a customer shops somewhere else that doesn't take such an overt political stance and force this in the faces of young children, three, four, five years old making parents answer very uncomfortable questions.

this could have all been avoid again if they would simply take the line that michael jordan did back when he was a young man that republicans buy sneakers as well and if companies would focus on flying their airlines like delta or selling share sugary beverages like coca-cola or target selling its wears in an apolitical or non-partisan way they wouldn't face these consequences >> trey: tom senator i think it winds up back firing your memory's better than mine but i think they moved the all-star game out of atlanta and it does nothing but hurt the businesses in georgia. but, i mean, maybe my memory's flawed but i thought they moved the all-star game, did they not? >> they did trey. major league baseball quickly moved its all-star game out of atlanta, i think they moved it to colorado, and ironically enough, the braves went to the world series and won the world series that fall yet i didn't see major league baseball trying to cancer the world series their

premier snooevent senator tom cotton from the great state of arkansas thank you for joining us look forward to seeing you soon. >> thank you trey. >> trey: bryan kohberger has been charged with slaying four college students in idaho studying criminology where it is alleged he entered a home and stabbed four people to death. but was that his first criminal act? did he really begin with quadruple homicide or did he start earlier? his parents have been called before a pennsylvania grand jury investing the death of dana smithers, a 45 year old mother, who went missing in may of last year. police issued a statement saying kohberger is not a suspect in the death of dana smithers so why would the grand jury need to hear from his parents? that's a good question. i think i got exactly the right ghost. former nypd inspector and lawyer and somebody that i like to rely on for legal issues mr. paul mauro. all right, paul, i'm rusty. why call his parents to the grand jury? is there another explanation? >> so, you know, this gets very

legalistics but the way i see it is two possibilities. this is all coming, we have the caveat off a grand jury leak, single source so we don't really know everything going on, but first possibility i see is that they may be trying to validate the supposed alibi of his. this could be based on digital evidence, stuff that sun sets, not all this ding sal stuff hangs around forever, phone pings do terminate they get washed out. there's that. they may going to the parents to get some anecdotal evidence to validate where he was. the other possibility is they see some sort of commonality between the way ms. smithers died and something in idaho. and you really have to say on yourself, is there something there? because according to the reporting, the only thing that kohberger has anything to do with this is the fact that he was living 30 miles away from where ms. smithers' body was found. that's pretty thin. yet a grand jury and his parents

in a grand jury, there has to be something there, just stands to reason. and the nuance is the judge in pennsylvania has put in a sharing order. the grand jury testimony, as we know, is secret and yet, apparently, this judge is willing to have the testimony from pennsylvania shared in idaho. that's not that common. and so we have to say to ourselves why? it just stands to reason, you don't have to be a lawyer, what is it that's going on in pennsylvania that he feels is jermaine to what's going on in idaho. >> trey: my old job, paul, i didn't like to speculate, but once you get in television, you do it a lot so i am going to speculate, i'm going to ask you to speculate sort of. it is rare to start with quadruple homicide. most people who kill four people don't start there. so is it smart for law enforcement to at least look at him or rule him out in other unsolveds in another geographic region. >> of course it is. there are instances where people

out of the box commit four homicides, like the man son family very infamously started with a multiple murder. but in a case like this where things feel so personal, of course they should. and in light of the fact that there was this long delay after the arrest ryou know, ostensibly there was going to be nine months until they had the first preliminary hearing, my read at the time was they want time to look into exactly that. is there something going on in pennsylvania that they're going to be able to see that could have indications for idaho? and that's another reason the grand jury could matter here, because the other thing it does is it increases pressure on the defendant. again, he's innocent until proven guilty. we all understand that. but by putting his parents into the grand jury, he's not going to know what is said. even though if they visit him in jail he's never know if they're telling him everything. also don't know who else has been in a grand jury in pennsylvania. so it puts him in a spot where he doesn't exactly know what's being said about him out there and what if his parents don't cooperate and they're held in

contempt? well that means jail for them, more pressure. and so these are things that all come into play in pennsylvania that could have a big impact out in idaho. >> trey: when a decision is made on whether or not to seek the death penalty in his idaho case, i need to have you back and we will talk about that and we'll talk about the strength of the case. in the meantime thank you for joining us. thank you for having me. >> trey: atlanta residents have come up with creative solutions to the city's crime problems. that and more after the break. ♪ i'm christine mahon. i'm retired from public health nursing and from the army reserve. my retirement funds allow me to enjoy what i love to do. as long as you can make an impact, why stop?

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jurisdiction where leaders have a different view of public safety? what if you live in an area where it seems like the violence is winning? we do not have vigilante justice in this country but we do have the right to self-defense. and the defense of others. a suburb of atlanta, georgia has begun to take some matters into its own hands because the violence is too much. our local atlanta affiliate had this to say about the plan. >> a plan to keep buckhead safer. details from the buckhead safety alliance expected one day after two people were shot trying to break up a fight in the area. police say the violence happened outside the trader joe's on peach tree road just before 3:00 sunday morning. officers say one person was shot in the stomach, the other in the leg. police are still looking for the shooter. it's the latest violence grabbing headlines in the busy buckhead district. easter sunday a 16 year old armed with a gun tried to rob two people near lenox square mall.

>> i don't like crime anywhere so something has to be done about this lawlessness that exists here. >> trey: there is also a new app called black wolf for people who feel safer with armed drivers. kerry king brown is the creator of this app and joins us now. welcome to you, mr. brown. what led you to give people the option of riding with someone who is armed? >> hey, guys. i just wanted to bring a safer ride, a safer environment because, again, living in atlanta, you know, we see what's going on in the streets, schools, stores, whatever the case may be. i wanted to provide a sense of security for everyday people. >> trey: and what has been the reaction? how have your friends and neighbors and fellow georgians responded to your app? >> the response has been beautiful. we're up to 200,000 downloads. i've been getting a lot of great

praises for it. people are loving it. they're seeing the necessity of it. so i've been getting a lot of great responses. >> trey: this is what -- when i read this story, the first thing that entered my mind is, if you wanted to take it to other states, you would have to navigate a laborethene series of laws because every state has different gun laws. so are you thinking about sporting this idea to other states and, if so, how will you ensure compliance with those gun laws? >> yes, sir, we are actually going into other states. that is the plan. very soon as well. and the way we've been moving is very strategic. we've been teaming up with security companies, law enforcement operators in each of these states, learning the laws and moving very slowly but speedingly and at the same time, you know, we're learning the rules of the land, getting to know the people, but the most important thing is is connecting with those who are already in

the field, law enforcement, those who have been in the security field for a minute. you know, we've been connecting with them to learn more about it. so we've been taking the right steps and the precautions to get into each state. >> trey: was there a specific incident or occurrence that led you to this, or was it just the cumulative impact? i mean we see something it seems like every day. >> right. >> trey: but was there something specific that led you to say, i'm going to do this? >> well, i mean, i've been in the field for so long. it wasn't really one thing it was just multiple things. i was thinking like, how can i create something in order to protect people, because it's my field. you know, the thought initially started with me protecting children and women creating a transportation line to and from school, because i've seen a lot of mothers, you know, who are single and with their children, you know, going to sports events and i wanteded to see how can i help create a transportation line. so it started there and then it just kept evolving.

i thought, you know, i can do this more than just women and children i can do this for all people so the idea came with that. and then as it kept growing, you know, i thought about more things through the app, which it has a lot more to it. but that's how it initially started. >> trey: kerry kingbrown we'll be watching to see if you sport this other states appreciate you joining us. >> thank you. >> trey: joe biden wants to lead america into a green future but has he put the power in our homes at risk? a new report warns that two-thirds of the country could face power shortages this summer. golly moses. more on that next. ♪

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>> trey: is it easier to take things off to get cool or add layers and warm up? it's a debate.

we don't want to find out. we want to set our thermostats on a precise number and leave it there. what is the power grid goes out. what are the chances of a massive grid crisis in the summer. chuck knows about the energy and the economy and how public policy impacts our power. we remember what happened in texas in wintertime and california with the rolling blackouts. what do you think will happen this summer? >> well, we have an increased likelihood of blackouts in the western two-thirds of the country. it's being driven by federal policy especially president biden's federal reduction act. it had everything to do with green energy pork. what is happening, the more wind and solar you add to the grid,

the more coal fired power plants you retire, the more unstable the grid becomes. the more difficult it becomes to keep that grid energized 24/7 for 365. >> trey: staying cool in the squirm and -- summer and warming up in the winter it's serious. hospitals and others depend on energy sources to stay alive. it's not just i will sweat a lot this summer. it's more serious than that, isn't it? >> well, it is more serious. afford ability and reliability. not only talking about people's lives in the power fails. we are talking about certain types of manufacturing. if you want to manufacture computer chips, you need a reliable supply of

electricity. that's in danger. another thing is that we are getting close to have winter problems. in summer on hot days you don't have wind power. in the winter you don't have a lot of wind and solar is not very strong either. trey, what they have not confronted yet is the storage technology to store energy from wind and solar is highly costly. i would like to see republican candidates who run for president talk to the public about this. so far all i have heard is from governor ron desantis and his talk about nuclear power as an option. the people of good will, if you are concerned about emissions,

then nuclear power has to be part of that equaggas. -- equation. how will people forward it? >> trey: quickly address this. it's too late this summer. you said the western two-thirds? >> yes, sir. >> trey: i don't think south carolina is in the western two-thirds. anything they can do other than move? >> well, first you need to contact your lawmakers about this. this is not a statutory problem. it's a legal problem with environment laws. what you will see is a lot of demand reduction. they may monkey with your thermostat. you may see factories close down to conserve electricity. maybe buy a generator.

>> trey: chuck, let's hope summer is better than it's forecast. thanks for joining us. see you soon. have a great evening. pete is in hear sean hannity. >> pete: now it's everything. gas stoves. god it. -- got it. >> pete: welcome to "hannity." i am pete in for sean. a dangerous new era continues at the fbi and dodge. -- doj. federal officials are drunk with power. dir dire