because of you, we're happy and i know it. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. please call or go online right now to give. if operators are busy, please wait patiently. or go to loveshriners.org right away. >> all right. the republican presidential field is growing. it could grow some more, one thing is not changing, fact that donald trump is way ahead of the pack and we'll go into detail about that, talking about senator tim scott who has joined the crowd right now. not polling well, but it's early that 2% or so level that he has right now is about where jimmy carter was at this point in 1976 against a lot of other party luminaries, who fell by

the wayside and jimmy carter was that year's nominee. that was then and this could be different. let's go to alexandra hoff and look at this. >> you have to look at fund raising and the campaign season over, caucuses, new hampshire primaries eight months away. that's where the candidates are circling. governor ron desantis will kick off des moines, iowa on the 30th. and president trump arrives the day after. and he thinks that the top g.o.p. contender is moving to the left. >> i don't know what happened to donald trump. this is a different guy today than when he was running in 2015 and 2016 and i think the direction that he's going with his campaign is the wrong direction. >> desantis' long awaited candidacy announcement was hit

with glitches, but record breaking 8.2 million dollars in donations in the hours after. former president donald trump has since offered this. >> the question, is rob just young experienced and naive or more troubling, is he a fool who has no idea what the hell he's doing. >> you hear he calls him rob there. nikki haley's campaign says this, while other candidates struggled to launch, nikki haley worked the granite state and showed how to campaign the new hampshire way and tim scott, i know you're going to be speaking with, offered a different take. >> i think the road to socialism runs right through a divided republican party. everything we say about each other the democrats will weaponize against all of us, no matter who the nominee is. >> you mentioned the poll. former president trump leads with 53% among primary voters

and then desantis and then former vice-president mike pence and he has not announced a bid yet, neil. neil: thank you for all of that. have a safe weekend. i want to go to karl rove or should i call him chris? you heard the former president call him rob. and what do you think of rob desantis' launch and glitches, 8.2 million raised in the first hours. >> a pretty impressive amount. donald trump announced last year and 136 days between his announcement and the end of the filing period, march 31st, he raised 17.8 million dollars in 136 days. ron desantis gets in, first day he's in, he raises 8.2 million dollar. half as much in one day as donald trump raised in 136

days. how much do you want to bet when we get to the june 30th end of this, july reports are due that ron desantis has raised more money than donald trump has. neil: let me ask you about the polls. you remind me, karl, the one that counts is the one closer to the election, but they look very bad for ron desantis and a lot of other republicans, even though he had the good number and a strong second, he's a distant second to donald trump right now. now, we're going to be cycling through some other polls in other years that showed eventually nominees who weren't doing well, right now, for example, tim scott with whom i'll be speaking, and his thought on this, he's at 2%. jimmy carter was around that and even less when he was running at this point in 1976. so history teaches us, be careful about the snapshots. once snapped, they're shot. what do you think about the polls. >> donald trump looks good, looks strong and the presumptive nominee and the front runner.

as you say, look, go back to 2008, rudy giuliani looked like he was going to win the nomination in 2007 and looked like he was ahead and looked like the nomination and didn't. hillary clinton led in 2007, 2008 didn't get the nomination. and a month before the 2012 iowa caucus, newt gingrich was leading and mitt romney became the nominee. you're right you've got to be careful reading too much into it, even though president trump, former president trump does have good numbers. while we're talking about numbers, there are numbers that this week we're not talking about that really are the most explosive and most important of all, do you think that joe biden is a strong leader in the fox poll? 33% say yes. republicans only 8%, you'd expect that. think about that, 21%, only 21% of independents say i think he's a strong leader and 36% of democrats say i don't think he's a strong leader. so, it's a real problem for the sitting president to be in that

condition and too old to be effective. this was the quinnipiac poll. republicans of course 90% of them too old to be effective. seven out of 10 independents too old to be effective and the democrats. i'm the alien from mars looking at this, these are more important than what the republican presidential sweepstakes are, and general election sweepstakes are, this is what i'd look at. there's a fundamental flaw, who thinks he's going to look younger and stronger? joe biden is in terrible shape and the democrats are -- will find themselves in a bad place if they end up with him as their nominee. neil: i'd like to get this on the debt ceiling negotiations, there's a reason i don't want to bore people here, but i found it interested this go round and the polls could change, to your point, karl, most americans are aligning

themselves with kevin mccarthy's approach to this, to tie spending to the debt ceiling and that's different from the prior shut down battles and republicans had their heads handed to them. what do you make of that? >> well, i totally agree with you. think about how this came about. it came about because the democrats decided the white house decided its approach to the debt ceiling was going to say no negotiations and it's up to the republicans to offer a plan. what's your plan? what are your numbers? offer your plan and lo and behold kevin mccarthy with a narrow margin in the house delivers a plan. and not only that the elements of the plan was let's claw back the unspent covid money, let's have spending restraint where we limit discretionary spending for a number of years. require people who are able-bodied who are receiving welfare benefits to work. all of these things turned out to be popular, so the administration put itself in this predicament by starting

out by saying, okay, you can't get a plan, it's up to you to come up with numbers and when the republicans did, they found themselves boxed into a box canyon of their own creation. neil: i wonder what happens if we score the deal, avoid default, but like 2011 have our credit downgraded and as you know, invests already has that on negative watch. so, if that happens, a pox on both parties or any impact at all, what? >> well, the pox is primarily going to be on the president because the president is the guy in charge and again, right now, americans instinctively understand we spent too much in 2020, 2021, 2022, that the government was pouring gasoline on inflationary demand and understand that the deficits are too big, the debt is too large and need to put our fiscal house in order. the republicans are the people who sound like they want to do that. the democrats sound like let's

spend more money on more things that, you know, sound good, but don't particularly have a big impact on the lives of most americans except to the degree that they encourage inflation. neil: let me go back to the republican battle grounds and states and know that a lot of money governor desantis is raising to focus on iowa, and new hampshire, as you call it a state by state battle and that's where the money for the ground game will pay off. what do you think of that? >> i think it's an interesting strategy and really smart because super pacs, we're talking about the desantis super pac. boast put most of their money into television advertising. the problem with that, candidates under federal law given the lowest unit rate. cheapest price for a tv ad. the super pac that buys the ad in exactly the same time or same station, two, three, four,

five times as much for that spot. the desantis said wig wag signals to the desantis campaign, we're going to plow most of our money for a ground game, 2,000 organizers to knock on doors and we'll do that and you can use your money on the advertising effort where you get more bang for your buck. if the campaign was spending money on the ground game like the super pac is, they'd be spending the same amount of money, getting the same amount of effect if the campaign spends its money on television and the super pac doesn't, the campaign is getting more bang for its buck than the super pacs would ever get. >> i'd like to see how the various candidates handle donald trump. no one has found a way to do it and with the race getting more and more crowded every day, we

could be back to or close to the number of republicans fighting it out for the nomination that we were in 2016. we know famously what happened back then. donald trump picked them off one by one and had an attack strategy that was quite the attack strategy. ron desantis has come out and mentioned a couple of things to say that donald trump isn't the same guy he was in 2015 and 16 to talk about $8 trillion more in debt, that his default comment and said all of that. what is the proper attack line here in you're going to take on donald trump, who's proved brilliant at it up until this point, maybe up to this point. your thoughts? >> well, first of all, i think it's smart to realize people want to know more about who you are, what your values are, priorities and what you think you want to do if elected president and need to establish themselves. anybody who comes out and starts, you know, taking a 2 by 4 to the former president is not going to advance themselves

very much. they may hurt the former president, but people need to know who you are and what you're about and two things are at play here. i think the former president has been too negative on ron desantis in a way that caused people to scratch their heads. ron sanctimonious, what does that mean? and i think that people will find ways to be critical of the president. and he said he would build a wall and have mexico pay for it. he didn't finish the wall and mexico never paid a dime. and said he would change the trade from china and did nothing to stop the theft of intellectual property and instead of tens of billions of farm products, they did a fraction of that. people over course of time, mr. president, you know, we like a lot of what you did, but you failed in important ways and more important than that, i've laid out a vision for the future i'm looking forward and not backward.

all you seem to care about is the 2020 election. we'll see how that works over time. i think it's a smart move for each of these people, tim scott, nikki haley, ron desantis, to come out and sort of say, i'm talking primarily about what i'm about and what i want to do and i'll counter punch when the former president takes a shot at me and find some weaknesses in his records that i can exploit with voters who say, i like sort of what he did, but i think we ought to turn the page. it's the best we can do a 78-year-old republican and an 82-year-old democrat running against each other. neil: you know, it's a big if, but it sends up-- if donald trump doesn't get the republican nomination and doesn't throw his support behind whoever is nominated, we don't know if that would even happen, then what? . well, he can't run as an independent candidate, the laws of the states are such that

it's going to be hard to get on the ballot-- >> but his supporters could sit it out? >> that's the key. the key does he say, don't vote for the republican, you know, and then do people follow him and that's a risk, but you know, it makes him look small if he doesn't win the nomination, it makes him look small if he then takes that kind of a step and i'm not certain he wants to be written up in the history books that way. neil: we'll follow closely. karl, we always learn a lot. or is it chris? and thank you, karl. >> my middle name is christian, so-- >> that makes it easer. former house chief of staff, karl rove. some of you are running into great weather and loving it, a lot of others, not so much. we break apart the country and you decide whether you want to

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>> all right, i'm in the northeast, new york city, where the weather is beautiful right now. for a good swath of the northeast, that's the case. and to the middle of the country. not everywhere, it's a half and half choice depending where you are. the fox weather meteorologist on what we could be looking at across the country. hey, jane. >> the southeast is a washout. some places aren't that bad. atlanta still with sunshine, greenville, but it's the coastal low that's going to bring in big time problems. the fox model tracking rain, we'll see widespread showers, heavier at time, especially from charleston through the outer banks of north carolina. that's all going to spread into charlotte, too. the appalachian mountains going to see their own soaking of rain as the coastal low pushes on shore tonight. we could lose some of the

showers along the coastline and that could be beneficial for beachgoers, nonetheless, if you're trying to hit the lakes and the boats, tough going carolinas, tennessee, smoky mountains as we go into the end of the day on sunday. monday might look better. through monday afternoon, we finally get the coastal low and we'll lose some of the rain showers, three to five inches expected in places like wilmington along the coast. and it's going to squeeze out through the mountains and it's a soggy forecast. now, it's already slowed things down along the airways today about 3,000 flights rushing around the country getting things going and 870 delays. denver, playing pickup from thunderstorms yesterday. they've cleared things out this morning. houston, in fact, leading the top for cancellations and new york, leading the top for northeast. the northeast is looking fantastic, as far as their forecast goes. we could see some delays because of this coastal low, rain, wind, is going to be a

big time problem, wind gusts, 4 to 50 miles per hour, inland as charlotte as we go through the day tomorrow. that will slow things down regionally across the southeast region. as we close out the holiday weekend, it's a much better forecast across the southeast and a lot more people will be able to get to the beach if you're in the carolinas. especially in florida. northeast, new york, 80 degrees, the jersey shore is packed and across the lakes, it's a beautiful forecast as well. chicago will be well into the upper 70's, to close out memorial day. neil: all right. for the most part nice, thank you so much for that. following the very latest on the weather. more on the market weather. the political weather, if i told you they were joined at the hit. the stocks surged big time because they think a deal is close this time. are they right? after this.

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>> all right. follow the markets. they are really moving on the possibility of a debt deal. better it looks the better for stocks, that's certainly the case for friday. the worse it looks, the worse it looks, that was certainly the case on monday. again, where do we stand on this and how much is that influencing what our politicians do? chad, the easiest man on capitol hill, what have you got? >> they're inching closer, but did not secure an agreement last night. house speaker mccarthy did not say whether he was disappointed, but more time slipped off the clock. >> we do not have a deal. we are not there yet. we did make progress. we worked well into early this morning and we're back at it now.

some things we just have to finish out and we've got to make sure that we've got the right agreement for the american people. >> the announcement by the secretary of the treasury, janet yellen, that the new deadline is june 5th, gives them breathing room, but it could unintentionally slow things down. if they get text today, a house vote could come as early as tuesday. >> you've been consistent in saying 72 hours and is that an actually 72 hours, in other words, three days? so if you get text today, that could be late in the day on tuesday? >> yes, 72 hours. look, i've watched too many times in in house where there'll be sometimes with large bills and i've watched a former speaker say you have to pass each bill in the agreement. and this is a bill everybody should be able to read. >> remember the market lost

then record 777 points in synchronicity with the tarp vote failing on the floor in 2008. so far the markets have only seen modest losses over the debt ceiling. >> there's this sentiment out there, at capitol hill. once the markets get spooked and played out outside of the washington bubble, congress will start to act. we're close to something we've never been close to before. it may have seemed like it, but this is much, much closer. >> that's why a deal could help the market. but if it comes later on or consumes more time or a strumbling block. the markets could react in a negative fashion, neil. neil: chad, i don't want to put you on the spot. leaders on both sides, democrats and republicans, they stop and clearly have great respect for you to answer your questions because they know you're not some fire breathing fool, and that even the 72 hour thing got to the point is the clock running from that moment.

how, the closer they get to something or you get a sense that something falls through, how do they show that frustration. bottom line, there is no deal yet. how are they dealing with it? >> as i asked the speaker later, i said, is it hard to get a sense where the votes are without having members here in washington? it's easier to look them in the eye and get a sense of where they are and determine if a member is yes, no, or leaning one way or the other. the other issue here is the relationship between hakeem jeffries, the new democratic leader and the new speaker of the house kevin mccarthy. there was no relationship between nancy pelosi and kevin mccarthy. and how good a vote counter is hakeem jeffries? we don't know. i asked the speaker a few minutes ago, have you communicated yet with hakeem jeffries, indicated no, he's not. again, you get pen to paper, you get the deal.

i talked to somebody last night, you know, close to the whip operation on the republican side of the aisle, if we can do that remotely, but it's going to be a little hard unless you have people there. and inevitably, neil, you always get toward the end on a big deal like this and there is some hiccup. we don't know what the issue was, the ethanol question a couple of weeks ago and the republicans tried to move the bill through the house and you could have a hiccup and that will slow everything down. neil: got it, my friend. they respect you and it shows, thank you for that. >> thank you. neil: want to go to ted weissberg, on the markets, a a iconic figure. and after a failed house vote on tarp, the asset relief

program. that caused them to rush back and vote on it again and pass it and the irony was the market would continue careening after this. does the market always have it right or do we overobsess about it? >> well, neil, my sense is that the market more or less always gets it right. i think the fight-- number one, never fight the fed and number two, don't fight the markets, rather, somehow the markets figure it out sooner than a lot of folks, but i do remember, i think nancy pelosi was head of the house in those days and i remember when that market failed and there was a pretty ugly day and they went back, voted again and it passed and at least for the moment, all was well. who knows now? i mean, for me, this is sort of kabuki theater going on. i think perhaps in 90 plus times since the late 1930's have the congress been in this

situation and each time, somehow or other, they managed to figure it out and my guess is, they'll figure it out again because the alternative is completely unacceptable, no matter what the politics are. so, you know, they're going to jerk us around and the headlines are going to move the market around and perhaps sharply, but at the end of the day, this deal will get done and the real question for the markets, how much of it is already priced in? i think most folks, rightly or wrongly assume it's going to get done. neil: and then you get to the point, what if we're downgraded? fitch credit has us on a negative credit watch. in 2011 avoided the fall, but s&p intervened afterwards and downgraded us, took away our rating. it was upon that downgrade that we started falling off. so, that could be an outside event for the markets to digest. are they expecting something like that, as you see them now? >> well, you know, that's

really hard to kind of game, neil. you don't know what the credit rating agencies are going to do. quite frankly, if it was your finances or my finances or a lot of your viewers' finances they probably would have put us into bankruptcy, in the bankruptcy court long before now because, i mean, the fact is the government simply is spending too much money, has way too much debt and nobody seems to have the stomach to do anything about it. so at the end of the day, what's going to happen, they're simply going to kick the can down the road and will that result in credit down grades? well, perhaps they're well deserved and maybe it should. in terms of the stock market, the markets will digest it and we'll move on because at the end of the day, what drives stock prices, quite frankly, are corporate earnings and good guidance going forward. this all comes into the mix, but at the end of the day, it's

going to be corporate earnings and that will determine where we're going as far as the stock market is concerned going forward. neil: i hope you're right on that, and corporate earnings save the day, we're already at the point we owe more than what we're worth as a country. 20% more. does that worry you? do the markets eventually come to the reality, hey, that's a problem? >> yeah, that's a huge problem, but for some reason, neil. we live in a world where the shelf life of these issues is relatively limited. at the end of the day, the government is out of control with its spending and what's really interesting now, you have the fed raising interest rates, trying to deal with inflation on the one hand and trying to engineer some kind of recession to bring things under control as far as inflation is concerned, and then on the other hand, you have a government that's spending money with wild abandonment. the two are working at opposite purposes. it makes no sense.

neil: okay. >> but this is politics and it drives, i think, a lot of folks completely nuts. the financial press loves it because it gives them something to write about and the markets get jerked around, but at the end of the day, it's still going to come back to corporate profits and how companies do long-term and that ultimately will drive the stock market and where stock prices go. >> financial press guys they could be so annoying, dead. >> you know how they are. >> always good seeing you. ted weissberg, before i say goodbye. he's the best. ted, thank you. what does tim scott think about the back and forth and debt nonsense. what would he do if he were president, scott, after this. o shake 'n feed. that's it. miracle-gro. all you need to know to grow.

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>> all right, the big announcement politically last week with ron desantis joining the race and a few days before that, tim scott doing so. a lot of people weren't giving tim scott what he deserved. he's already raised $20 million. his plan is to bring the party together. easier said than done. take a look. >> this race is less about me and more about america's future. i believe america can do for anyone what she's done for me. it is time for us to restore hope, create opportunities and

protect the america that made my life possible. that's why i say made in america is my story and we have the most authentic path forward. we are the best candidate to destroy the lies of the radical left. vict victimhood.dead. and show why america remains the city on the hall, the beacon in the midst of the storm. my life disproves the lies the left. put me in coach. neil: and it might work. we've focussed on the polls, senator, myself, included. i think it would be fleeting and often are. i'm reminded back in 2008 when it didn't look like barack obama had a chance, second to hillary clinton. >> exactly. neil: by a country mile, i can go on with even john mccain who would go on to get the republican nomination, but at the time it was rudy giuliani's to lose. we're reminded again how wrong

these things can be. you still have to get to the point of building up on that and i'm wondering if this could be a redo of 2016 when we have a whole lot of republicans in the race and any more could be coming, and i'm wondering if that environment whether it serves donald trump well and not necessarily you well? in other words, he could divide and concur that environment much as he did back then. >> well, what i'm learning right now, neil, sitting here in new hampshire last night and in iowa, town hall, standing room only. the optimistic, positive message with a backbone anchored in conservative principles is working. the more my message gets out the more i travel around, the more excited people are to join the team. neil: you have not called other potential programs, ron desantis, nikki haley has. criticized the launch. what do you think of the

launch. >> the road through socialism runs right through a divided republican party. everything we say about each other the democrats will weaponize against all of us no matter who the nominee is. i'm going to focus on the real problem in america, the prial problem in america is the feckless leadership of joe biden. it is time for america to take a stand and elect a president who understands how it feels to be on both sides of the tracks, who understands the broken pieces become a whole opportunity in america. we cannot just continue to look to your left and right on who is on the stage and attack vehemently those who want to represent the greatest conservative party in modern american history. that's a great opportunity party, if we do what we're supposed to do. america agrees with us on the economy, on the military, on foreign policy, but we've not had the candidate that adds to the movement today. we have to stop dividing. neil: and to get back to it,

you're being a gentleman again, regarding ron desantis' rough launch on twitter. do you think your opponents, including the former president and others, as a candidate support as nominee? >> all republican candidates would be better than any democrat candidate. as the nominee, i look forward to choosing a good vice-president between the names that you've mentioned and perhaps some other ones. neil: when it comes to ukraine, we get mixed signals out of some of your opponents, including governor desantis and maybe any extension to donald trump, and whether that's worth the good fight and whether you as president would support the fight. >> as president, i would, and the conflict with putin and ukraine, one of the most we

should have is degrading the russian military. we are preventing attacks on the homeland as well as our n.a.t.o. partners that are contiguous that means american soldiers-- >> ron desantis said this was more of a border dispute. and donald trump talked about one day i would end this thing, i don't know how he would end this thing. what do you think of those approaches? >> well, the bottom line we know it's more than a territory dispute. we know that degrading the russian military is in america's national vital interest and we also know we do nothing with a blank check. we need accountability as part of the apparatus that we're using in order to continue to provide resources to the ukrainians. finally, i'd say this, neil. our border crisis on the mind of americans, when you see 70,000 americans losing their lives because of mexican cartels tracking fentanyl across our border and president biden is not even addressing

our southern border, which is a national security exposure, americans wonder, we can go across overseas, but we can't deal with our home front? that's the kind of feckless leadership that allows a new president, president tim scott to come to the table and offer a solution to the american people that we can all embrace, common sense leads to common grounds. we can get it done, one american family, working together. neil: we are senator, much has been made about the age not only of donald trump of course, but more important these days of president biden, whether you could be too old and some calling for a competency test, and some depends on the age and the -- can you be too old to run for president? >> the problem with our current president has nothing to do with his age. i'm not giving a way out. we should measure the

performance by the performance. beside his age. let's not give him wiggle room, do your job, joe biden until it's no longer your job in november of 2024. that job is going away. we are going to have a republican in office. it's going to be there by november, 2024 and i look forward to being that candidate. neil: all right. tim scott hitting the political road and millions of americans just hitting the roads. unfortunately, they're hitting something else, traffic. ♪ it real and talk about some risks. with type 2 diabetes you have up to 4 times greater risk of stroke, heart attack, or death. even at your a1c goal, you're still at risk ...which if ignored could bring you here... ...may put you in one of those... ...or even worse. too much? that's the point. get real about your risks and do something about it. talk to your health care provider about ways to lower your risk of stroke, heart attack, or death.

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and don't expect that to last forever. the latest right now on where that stands. >> memorial day weekend is here, neil, so is the traffic. people are slowly moving behind me. kind of been the case the last couple of hours. because 42 million americans are planning on travelling this weekend and of that group, 37 million expect today get to their destination by driving. everyone is going to be paying a pretty penny for gas. gas is currently $3.57 a gallon on average. that's up 23% compared to memorial day pre-pandemic. despite the lofty prices it's still down a dollar from last year, when gas seemed to be on the verge of nearly $5. at the pump, you can't control the price of gas and on the road you can't control the traffic. we want to speak how they can control ap managing this weekend.

>> don't look at the credit card bills, spend the card and hope for the best. have a fun weekend, life is too short to worry about that stuff. >> excite today spend it on the beach and have a great weekend and week. >> spend time with family and friends, take a break from the hectic work week and enjoy time with them. >> triple-a says the worst time to drive is from right now until 6 p.m., neil. so, i don't know about you, but i think that your viewers, they should stick around and no use getting on the road at this point. it's too late. wait it out, watch the show, enjoy time at home and then hit the road and hopefully avoid some traffic, neil. neil: i can't think of anything better to do. brilliant. in the middle of all of that, the fact is planes are packed and resorts are packed, if you can book them at all. theaters are packed and broadway shows are packed. what does that say about us? after this. ♪

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>> all right. a look outside the los angeles international airport, lax they call it. people are getting to their destinations and a lot of them pay top dollar. and prescient about the strength of the consumer, but not that he or she are indestructible. how do you see this sorting out? >> neil, we could be headed toward recession, but americans are headed for vacation first. we saw this in the traffic shots and the airports and first from the person interviewed, that man that said i'm just going to go on

vacation and look at credit card bills later. we're certainly seeing americans see more on the credit cards and dip into the savings they built up on the pandemic and hit everyone square in the face in a couple of months. neil: in other words, waiting for the bills to come due. what are we spending right now? >> accord to go my research we're seeing people spending less on big ticket items, but more on things like clothing, things for the home. according to hahnemann manhattan benefitings, retailers are servicing the customer, to the we'll provide everything for you. while the customers is not necessarily buying big ticket items, but going to the macy's and nordstrom's and possibly

buying for their vacations and they're utilizing digital ads and i'm a scroller and i sit on the scroller and sift through instagram. you're seeing a lot of small businesses, according to the institute, spending about $10,000 per annually. buying more digital ads to target that consumer. neil: interesting. who is more reticent than let's say they go to the fall and then what happens? >> i think we're going to definitely see the consumer pull back, you know, of course, obviously. but we have to understand one thing and i've been on air with you for a very long time. the consumer will always find a way to spend and whether they're dipping into savings or whether they're racking up credit like crazy, this is a national pastime so we're certainly going to see that consumer spend. it just may not be in the way that we're seeing it before.

those big ticket items. we saw this in the reflection of earnings for home depot, for example. neil: right, right. >> people are not spending for their home yet, they'll buy small things for vacation. neil: a lot of the retailers that you refer to, consumers are settings in home depot, but bigger jobs and smaller jobs. >> as before when we saw people putting money away and the stimulus check coming in, for some people it was just free money. those big ticket items were aplenty and buying those things. if you're actually looking at the retailer. the retailer are merchandise are more specifically to that consumer so what we're going to see, neil, going into the next couple of months and of course, into the next years, retailers starting to plan for those smaller ticket items. neil: got it. thank you very much.

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