direct quotes from speaker mccarthy just now is that the debt ceiling bill is easy for republicans to vote for. we'll see what else he had to say there. we'll check back in with chad pergram on the hill shortly, as we just were able to catch him live. fox news alert, teen violence caught on camera, a mob beating a trio of marines on memorial weekend. >> john: it happened in orange county, san clemente, the marines were on leave, they say it started as they asked the group to stop shooting fireworks. sandra smith from new york. >> john: john roberts in washington, all happening on capitol hill. no arrests yesterday in the san clemente beating but the investigation is in full swing. >> sandra: the mayor joins us

now. thank you for jumping on with us, our viewers have new seen it, what was your reaction when you learned this happened? >> well, thank you, sandra and john. thanks for being on with us today. yeah, this is a marine corps town, we were shocked, saddened and disgusted. >> john: we understand the marines were on leave from camp pendleton, some teens were lighting fireworks and i don't know if it was a simple request, or if it was some sort of pointed request from the marines to stop doing it. what happened then? lay it out for us, mayor. >> yeah, we understand that we had some local youth gathering down at the beach for the end of the school year, you know, getting kind of excited and then they had this confrontation with the marines, we understand that they were setting off fireworks and the marines did tell them to stop. and at that point these youth really turned on the marines and started attacking them. this is completely unacceptable

thankfully we have fired four more deputies, and we are going to hold people accountable. it's a safe beach down, where richard nixon's western white house was of course and a marine corps town, so we have to do more here to keep our city safe. we are facing increasing crime like a lot of areas. so we are going to get on it and make sure everyone knows it's a safe and wonderful beach town to visit. >> sandra: because we have obtained this video in the past hour, i want to make sure the viewers see it here again. we are told this is a mob of up to 40 teens who viciously beat these off duty marines. they say they were merely asking them to stop lighting fireworks on this california beach. what can you add to the story as very little information was first known about this, but the

video is obviously very telling. >> yeah, i mean, we are continuing to gather more video footage and i hope will be able to identify some of the assailants. but reports of kind of unruly behavior at the beach as this does increase during the summer, this is -- we are a beach town and people do congregate at the beach at night. we had reports the teens were kinds of getting angry and getting frothed up and then looks like they wandered toward the pier bowl area, where the incident took place and there was this confrontation. there's no justification for this and that's why we are going to make sure there are consequences and accountability for those involved. nothing the marines could have done would justify this, and if in fact they were trying to prevent fireworks, then they were doing what marines do, stand up for our country and make sure things -- that we are all safe. so i think we are going to get to the bottom of this. i trust our deputies to work and investigate and then we are

going to use this as a -- and we can increase patrols so these incidents don't happen in the future and get the message out to the teens at the schools and parents this is completely unacceptable and this won't happen again and be tolerated in san clemente. >> john: i don't know if it's just me, but seems to be an increasing amount of unruly -- apparently we have to jump here. >> sandra: kevin mccarthy on capitol hill. >> have you had any conversations with members of the freedom caucus that have been against this bill and now saying they might -- >> many whether they are for or against the bill. i'm not sure what in the bill people are concerned about. largest savings of 2.1 trillion we have ever had. it's the first time in history the largest rescissions, pulling money back from the hard working taxpayers that are going to china. are they opposed to work

requirements for welfare, should someone continue to be able to sit on the couch, able-bodied with no children and not be held to find a job. are we concerned for the first time to be able to change environmental review. in 40 years this, so we can build things in america faster. i'm not quite sure where they are opposed. or the ability to even have congress work again to do the job, the appropriation bills, consequences for that. but to be able to take a trump executive order pay go and put it into effect with this president to stop him from spending trillions of dollars. if people are against saving all that money or work reforms in welfare reform, i can't do anything about that. >> are you worried about anything coming out of the rule here? we know mr. roy has a problem with it, mr. norman, both members of the rules committee. mr. massey met with you, you are

not concerned with the rule or the committee on the floor? >> look, this -- since we took the majority i wanted to change things in washington. and nancy as speaker had broken this place, people could not read the bills. this is 99 pages, 15 of them of just rescinding the wasteful washington spending. everybody has an opportunity to read it, opportunity for their own opinion so they can say their own opinion. that's the idea of congress. >> speaker mccarthy, how many conservatives can you lose on this bill and still pass it? >> well, we'll work through it and make that happen. >> any reason why we would not expect a vote tomorrow night and clarity, would the debate not start until after 7:15? >> talk to steve, he manages the floor. >> have you spoken to leader jeffries about democratic votes. >> i haven't talked to him today. >> is that necessary to do -- >> always two parties vote at

the end. the thing that's very interesting here is the largest savings in american history, the unshackling of finally wasteful washington spending getting rescinded. add up all the money they rescinded and add them together, this is higher than that. and the idea we fought so hard to get those work requirements and welfare reform, or the idea that you can make the president, if he wants to add a new regulation that now he has to offset that. we have not had that before. so, i'm not sure what everybody wanted. we couldn't get everything we wanted and when we have this debate, you couldn't talk about the whole budget. so in essence, we are only able to focus on about 11% of the budget and when you -- when the freedom caucus talks about wants the spending back to 2022, the nondefense is back lower than 2022. veterans get more money and defense gets more money. so i think this is a place, and we cap for the next six years,

look, i've always said a debt ceiling is like a family having a credit card. the family has charged all the way up. so what have we done? well, we made sure next year -- this year we'll spend less than last year, put a spending cap for six years so we can't keep spending the way we are. we have looked around for things we bought that we can return like covid money, money to china and others, we are bringing that back. we might have a child that has no job, no dependents but sitting on the couch, encourage that person to get a job and have to go to work, which gives them worth and value. we are going to look at other things, too, to make the economy stronger so we are reforming. you no longer have to spend years in environmental reviews, limit to 1 to 2 years. these are major victories. i understand people get upset about walking through a debt ceiling. but this is a house, a senate and a presidency. i think when you read the wall street journal, you read "the

new york post", listen to economists, they will say it's the strongest debt ceiling we have ever had and if i compare it to when republicans were in the majority, they just added more money, didn't cut anything. >> are you having conversations with the hold-out votes? >> john: so there you have it. chad in front of the camera, listen to chad -- we'll give him his moment to get ready. you heard him say a debate and vote tomorrow, sandra, he's expecting a favorable outcome from ways and means this afternoon. >> sandra: obviously he's answering questions why it does not go far enough to please the conservative base of the party. let's get back to chad pergram. you got a couple questions in there. what was your take away from what you just heard from the speaker? >> the key he's trying to figure out the vote matrix between democrats and republicans to understand where the votes lie. the key here, he had this

meeting with thomas massey, a member of the rules committee, if they were to lose three members you cannot get the bill out of the rules committee and put the bill on the floor. it's as though you are going to play baseball today and you have to agree upon the rules and if you don't agree upon the rules you can't play the game. that would be the debate tomorrow. one of the concessions that kevin mccarthy made to the freedom caucus was that he was going to let their voices be heard on the rules committee. so that's ralph norman, vehemently opposed, and roy, and thomas massey has not announced how he's going to vote on the bill but it was interesting, on sunday kevin mccarthy named thomas massey saying one of the provisions to tamp down spending is in here and thomas has indicated he is going to announce his position on the bill. in other words, if we put your

provision in the bill you ought to vote for it, but we'll start to know at 3:00. again, they have to get that out of the rules committee. we expect a very lengthy meeting, you never get the minority to vote for rules. so if the republicans don't have enough votes on their side as i always say, it's about the math, you would then have to turn to the democrats and as far as we can tell, i went back over the weekend through reams of documents and years and we cannot find an instance of a minority member on the rules committee voting to get a rule on to the floor. we should note this is a bipartisan agreement between the president and the speaker, so maybe would the president have to lean, but that's pretty much unheard of here on capitol hill. the other thing i asked the speaker, when will the debate begin, he indicates tomorrow. but again, this bill would ripe

en if he adheres to the so-called 72-hour rule some time around 7:15 tomorrow night. it was interesting to hear from ralph norman and some conservatives railing against the bill the bill was dropped on them, that they had not had enough time to read it. the speaker has said for days they would have at least 72 hours to consider the bill. the 72 hour clock expires tomorrow night. back to you. >> john: play the role of tom emory, how many republican votes for it. >> i spoke to one that said it was not going as well as it should and you heard from the speaker, he says i'm not sure what some of the reservations are on my side of the aisle. thought they may lose 20 to 40 members minimum, down into the 180s and if you need 217, 218,

you 23450ed 30, 40 democrats right there. we think the number is going to be less than that. i am told for sure that they would have a majority of the majority, in other words the majority of all republicans. here is the other dynamic to watch, though. if you don't see all the republicans on the board who are for this, that they need to provide on their side, this is where you could have attrition on the democratic side. and they say wait a minute, if the majority is not even going to vote for this bill why should we haul the freight? and that's where there has to be the special level of trust between the house speaker and jeffries that each side is balanced in this. in 2008, i stood in this spot in september of 2008 and they did not have the votes to pass the tarp bill and the market went down with the vote on the floor. the reason is that there wasn't enough trust between the democrats and the republicans that they knew how many votes each side was going to provide.

and that was a problem, and that's why the vote failed that day and the market lost a then record 777 points. >> sandra: it's a good thing to note as all this is happening on the hill, if we can pop the dow up, it's a great point because the markets are following all of this. right now, down 156, just a half a percentage point on the day, but certainly will -- it will go up and down based on where they think this is heading. real quick final on that, chad, you were able to get a follow-up question in there on whether or not or when the last time you met with jeffries or what he is hearing on that front. what was your take away from mccarthy's response to that? >> i'm surprised there is not more of a liaison between mccarthy and jeffries. a lot of democrats are upset, don't think they have enough, believe the republicans extorted this out of the president so they are not willing to vote yes. that does surprise me. but guess what, around 2:30

eastern time we are going to hear from jeffries, he has not said a lot since they cut this deal over the weekend. kevin mccarthy has spoken multiple times to the press, appeared on "fox news sunday," the president only spoke a couple of times over the weekend, we hear from jeffries tonight and remember there is a more relevant relationship between kevin mccarthy and also between hakeem jeffries. nothing between nancy pelosi and jeffries, but here is the other thing. kevin mccarthy historically through his career, going back to when he was whip, he did not demonstrate that he was terribly talented at counting votes. jeffries is -- an untested water there. the person who did know how to count votes was nancy pelosi, she was almost always right so you are rolling the dice putting this on the floor if you don't really know where the votes could be. but you generally don't go to the floor unless you are confident the bill would pass. if we get tomorrow night, 7:30, 8:00 or later and they pull the

bill off the floor or go into what we call recess subject to the call of the chair, you will know they are having trouble getting the votes or trying to count the votes. >> john: we saw what happened to john boehner when he didn't have the republican votes to pass things and resigned as speaker, and one of your colleagues brought up the motion to vacate the chair that mccarthy agreed to taking back to the one vote threshold in order to become speaker. does that get play in this at all, or is that just people asking the questions? >> it's interesting that scott perry, the chair of the freedom caucus, he said at a press conference earlier today he said no, i don't want to address that. our colleague, kelly farris asked the members of the freedom caucus, raise your hand if you are willing to make the motion to vacate the chair and dan bishop did and suggested there should be consequences of this. some pretty exchange language from the freedom caucus, ralph

norman calling it insanity, other language here, but nobody has gone after the speaker just yet with the exception of dan bishop at that level. and john, i'll tell you where they think it might really come, they might give him a pass now. the real thing to watch is in september. they have to fund the government by the 30th of september, the end of the government's fiscal year and if kevin mccarthy cuts a deal to avoid a government shut down they don't like that could be when the hammer falls if it is to fall. >> sandra: can't wait for another deadline. chad, actually our next deadline as you mentioned is 2:30, we are going to watch for hakeem jeffries, important to hear from him, the democrat leader in the house, 2:30 p.m. eastern time, and reaction from the white house on where things stand when the white house press briefing is expected to begin 2:45 p.m. eastern time today, about 30 minutes from now. keep us posted from the hill. >> absolutely.

>> john: you said is expected to begin. we should say scheduled to begin. when do they ever begin on time? >> sandra: true, i shouldn't say jinx, we like to get it. >> john: i left my wallet in my office but i've got a dollar that says it does not start before. >> sandra: unofficial start to summer is here, time for barbecues, beach, blackouts? according to a major electricity regulator, warning two-thirds of america could face blackouts as summer heat increases demand for electricity. >> john: the strain on the power grid is a major problem, thanks to the biden administration recently implemented green energy guidelines which will limit the hours of operation for fossil fuel power plants in 22

states as well as the push to rely on renewable energy. >> sandra: dagen is moments away, whether democrats should wake up with what people are facing with the power grid. >> john: kelly, are officials concerned how well the electric grid will hold up? redondo beach, california. >> good memory, we were talking about the same thing and folks are worried. california is no stranger to rolling blackouts, and now the report sharing most of the u.s. could face power shortages that concern is increasing. i want to share a map of what folks across the country could be looking at. the good news, if you are on the east coast, except for my friends in new england, you are probably okay. but like you mentioned, two-thirds of the country could be facing this, it's nearly every state west of the mississippi may not have enough supply during peak demand hours

according to the new report, could mean elevated risk to conserve power or some extreme cases, dealing with the rolling blackouts. this is happening because of an increased demand for electricity during the peak hours as well as a rapidly shifting power mix. on the first point, the push for electrification has been full steam ahead, especially in states where i am, like california, setting extreme deadlines in the push for the green transition and that's potentially putting more strain on the power grid than it can handle in the near future. so we spoke to a ceo in the energy space, exacerbated by a decrease in some supply. >> demand is growing in this country, and supply is not keeping up. in fact, in some cases we are shutting down power plants that have more useful life but are not replacing them with the same generating capacity. so the delays have real consequences when the supply-demand mix gets too close for comfort. >> and that gets to the second

point around the shifting mix of power. so liberal policies are seeking to make the grid less reliant on fossil fuels, more reliant on resources like solar and winds, but it has to be windy and sunny, and traditional experts are not saying the green push is bad but we need a transition plan in place. and close with this, john, rural areas of the country, heart of manufacturing and agriculture, it could have economic implications as well. back to you. >> john: it's going to affect everybody if the power goes out. thank you so much. appreciate that. let's hope we don't have the same problems this summer that we had last summer. kelly, thank you. sandra. >> sandra: and the blackouts concerns not appearing to stop california democratic governor gavin newsom pushing forward with his climate goals no matter the cost to people who live there. >> we have to accelerate our

transition. so we have laid out ambitious markers, 2045, not just 100% renewables as it relates to our electricity grid, but carbon free future in the state of california. the question now is how do we deliver the reliability of the grid, how do we achieve the affordability that is foundational in this transition. >> sandra: shouldn't they figure that out before they push it? dagen mcdowell, he made the case against his own policies. they are not ready for the transition yet are mandating them on people and killing jobs in the meantime. >> now he's asking the question now that they have the policies in place. last year, california in late august banned the sale of new gasoline cars, takes effect in 2035. one week later over the labor day weekend, because of rolling

blackouts and a heat wave, they told all of california please limit your charging of your electric vehicle so not ready to ban gasoline powered cars or the sale of new ones, this is the idiot in chief and clearly wants to run for the presidency and more frightening, the people in washington, who are democrats are clearly taking this state's lead because joe biden has the tail pipe emission limits that they introduced are aimed at making sure that electric vehicle sales make up more than two-thirds of all the cars sold, electric vehicles, two-thirds by -- in less than a decade, 2032. >> sandra: you know the president's own energy agency, their own forecasts, e.v. will

make up 10% in the country by 2050. what they are not doing is planning for the transition. in many ways, make the case based on what you just said, they don't have -- the power grid can't support it and also the jobs. what about the people losing their jobs in the fossil fuel industry. it's u.c. berkeley report on the disp displaced fossil fuel workers, study shows a year after they were laid off, 26% of respondents were unemployed and of those who found new jobs, many said it came at a cost, including much lower wages. newsom was pressed on that, your buddy, dagen, he was pressed on that and how he responds to that challenge. listen. >> we are talking about all these green jobs, what about the jobs lost in that transition? >> we put down hundreds of millions of dollars to support the retraining and support communities that are impacted by this transition. we already have six times more

green energy jobs in the state of california than we have fossil fuel jobs. we have already transitioned. we are not here to leave people behind but we are mindful that we are going to live in a fossil free future. >> sandra: not here to leave people behind but -- it's a big but. >> we covered that on "the bottom line," the study, 6:00 p.m. on the fox business network, plug that. electric vehicles require fewer than half the numbers of workers to assemble those cars. is the united auto workers union paying attention to that? i'll note the u.a.w. announced it's going to withhold its endorsement of biden. quick on the instability of our electric grid going into the summer. one of the reasons is because of biden's epa has finalized the power plant regulations in almost two dozen states, about 22 states. so these power plants are going to have to basically run light

at times of a power crunch. did you know that there's this glitch in solar plant conversions when they have to convert from d.c. to a.c., and it screws up the whole electric grid? i could go on -- this is moronical myopathy. they have no idea what they are doing but they love spending money. environmentallism protecting animals, nobody gives a shinola about the whales, or the desert animals, they want the solar farms devastating our deserts. >> sandra: where are the environmentallists. a lot of people are asking those questions. >> john: the prime suspect in

the disappearance of natalee holloway is expected to be extradited to the united states, as his attorney says he was savagely beaten up in a peru prison, he's been serving a 28 year sentence for a separate murder. jonathan. >> yeah, his attorney says his clients suffered cuts to his fingers and bruises over his body in the prison attack in peru. claims that he was defending another inmate saturday when a third prisoner attacked him in a complaint filed, the attorney asked them to move van der sloot to a different wing, saying regardless of the crimes he committed it's crucial to remember all inmates from the right to fair and humane treatment during their time in prison. he's serving 28 years in peru for the 2010 murder of a 21-year-old woman named stephanie flores, but that

country has agreed to temporarily extradite him to the u.s. to stand trial for alleged financial crimes against the family of missing alabama teen natalee holloway. >> in the process of pretrial discovery, if they can get additional answers related to what happened to their daughter natalee, then that will be icing on the cake. >> natalee holloway was seen with van der sloot just before she disappeared on a high school graduation trip to aruba, exactly 18 years ago today. he was never charged in the disappearance but was indicted for extortion and wire fraud after he offered to provide natalee's mother with the location of her daughter's remains in exchange for a quarter of a million dollars. investigators say after he received a down payment, he provided natalee's mother with a bonus address and to this day no body has been found. john.

>> john: jonathan, thank you. >> sandra: police are searching for a tennessee mother missing since early this month. nikki set off with her boyfriend on a cross country trip and has not been heard from in weeks. disturbing similarities with the gabby petito case. nancy grace is joining us now. what do we need to know about the missing tennessee mom who vanished on the trip? >> well, they have been gone for a month, she and the boyfriend, steven tyler, take off with her dog and her 2013 black jeep wrangler and they are going to o.c., orange county to visit an uncle, the tag, bgl3539. she has two children. they are with family, but she has not checked back in on them and she seemingly dropped off

the radar, problem, torrence county, new mexico, domestic assault. a witness sees boyfriend punching her, she's bleeding, cops show up, red marks on her arms, about her body. the brother of the victim tells us she had black eye, broken wrist and tbi, traumatic brain injury, could mean a concussion. now, here is the kicker. over this weekend she is spotted again alive and there's no doubt in my mind it's her. look at those injuries, she's trying to sell her phone at an eco atm. the problem in new mexico, domestic assault, the boyfriend is also bloody, he says he got hit, too, the same thing as in gabby petito, they separate them, two different ways and then they rejoin each other. we know how that turned out with gabby petito. she's dead, brian lawndrie

killed her. a family friend tries to bring her home, she says she has a bad feeling, she looks for tyler, has not been seen again until she pops up on that video, and eco atm where you are sell your cell phone. where is he? why would she sell her cell phone, only contact with her family. we have learned in tennessee there is a theft warrant for him, steven tyler, the boyfriend, and a very unusual nationwide warrant has been set in motion to bring him, tyler, back to tennessee. >> sandra: but this is currently still being treated as a missing person case, right. because they still haven't produced any evidence that would indicate that alcares is dead.

the passing truck driver saw her, 33 years old, boyfriend also 33 years old, and her dog, saw them fighting, the truck driver called the police, neither, when the police arrived, wanted to press charges. despite photographs that the police took of her black eye, a friend was alerted by family, came to new mexico to meet her, but she wanted to reunite with the boyfriend, on may 6th she went to find him and they both vanished. should the police have done more when they found her with the black eye? >> absolutely. this has all the ear marks of domestic violence, and let me tell you, in addition to prosecuting felonies all day, i man the hot lines at the battered women's center nine years at night. classic behavior of a domestic assault victim. the battered women's syndrome,

the beaten, and the honeymoon period and the escalation starts all over again. right now she's missing, she's a missing person. we don't know what's happened to her but i can tell you this much. what woman in their right mind would sell their cell phone, the only way they have to communicate with their family, their children back home. police should have separated them and don't call this a fair fight because he says he was attacked, too. she is the victim. this guy weighs about 200 pounds from what i can tell of his history. she doesn't have a chance against him. and now she's alone with him again and selling her cell phone? this has every ingredient for a tragic ending. >> apparently he was dropped off several junctions away, it has been reported, police did, she spent the next two nights in a motel with a friend who was called to assist. the brother says i don't think she's dead out there somewhere but it's all a possibility at

this point and says he's really scared of that but praying that is not the case. nancy grace on that for us. we'll keep watching this story closely. nancy, thank you. >> thank you. >> john: familiar story. keeping an eye on the capitol, we expect democrat leader to speak about the debt negotiations any minute now. he's walking out right now, apparently. so let's pause on the tease, and here is hakeem jeffries. >> appreciation to president biden for arriving at a resolution that does three important things. first president biden has avoided a catastrophic default, which would crash the economy and hurt millions of everyday americans. second, president biden has arrived at a resolution that would suspend the debt ceiling for at least two years. and avoid a hostage-taking

situation for the balance of the 118th congress. third, protects incredibly important democratic interests. the resolution reached by president biden protects social security, protects medicare, protects medicaid, protects veterans, protects the clean energy tax credits, protects the american people from the type of draconian cuts included in the extreme maga republican default on america act and protects vulnerable communities like the homeless and like individuals who are aging out of foster care. thankful for president biden's leadership and confident we will avoid a catastrophic default. >> what is your message

progressives concerned about the deal? >> we will continue to have a friendly conversation throughout the day, later this evening and tomorrow in terms of the caucus. what we all are interested in is how many votes are the republicans who negotiated this resolution going to produce. initially we heard 95% of the house republican conference supports the agreement. that doesn't appear to be the case. but, we also are committed to making sure occurs is that the house republicans keep their promise to produce at least 150 votes, period, full stop. >> asking for a number? >> speaker has not asked me for a number. >> are you committed to ensuring [inaudible]

that many votes? >> house republicans will keep their commitment to produce at least two-thirds of their conference, approximately 150 votes. democrats are committed to making sure that we do our part and avoid a default. >> the speaker has said that democrats got nothing in this bill. would you agree with that? >> i just outlined three broad areas that president biden is to be commended around in terms of democratic priorities, and things most importantly good for the american people. avoiding a devastating default and crashing of the economy is good for the american people. taking us out of this hostage-taking situation and suspending the debt ceiling until at least the early part of 2025 is good for the american people. protecting social security,

protecting medicaid, protecting the tax credits, protecting the american people from the devastating cuts the republicans proposed on the default on america act is good for the american people. >> if democrats vote yes in the rules committee to make sure it goes to the floor. >> my expectation there will not be issues getting the bill out of -- >> some of speaker mccarthy's members have said the motion to vacate the chair should be on the table, speaker mccarthy should be ousted because he came to an agreement with president biden, the agreement to raise the debt ceiling. what's your response to that? do you think he should have the confidence of congress right now? >> we are not interested in political gamesmanship, you have too many extreme maga republicans playing an inside game as opposed to doing what is right for the american people. we should be focused on lowering costs, better paying jobs, safer

communities, defending democracy, fighting to protect reproductive freedom and building an economy that works for everyday americans as opposed to the palace intrigue on the other side. >> i've talked to a number of progressive democrats, what outreach are you doing as the leader of the democratic party to get to a yes. >> i'm thankful the white house is engaged in an incredible amount of activity to communicate with all aspects of the house democratic caucus. we had a pretty extensive briefing that took place virtually on sunday, it went three hours of briefings, where every single member who had a question in some cases multiple questions had the opportunity to ask that question and have those questions answered. three hours of virtual briefings continuing to take place today. the white house and high level administration officials will be

present here at the capitol tomorrow for in-person caucus meeting. and the administration at the highest level continues to engage in one-on-one conversations with progressives and new dems and blue dog and members of the cbc and the chc and the women's caucus, kpac, and all points in between and i've been incredibly pleased with the level of authentic engagement from the white house. >> [indiscernible] two-thirds, will democrats -- >> it's our expectation that house republicans will keep their promise and deliver at least 150 votes as it relates to an agreement that they themselves negotiated with the white house. >> is that a no, is that a no? >> no, no, house democrats will

make sure that the country does not default. >> what message does it send not only was the deal negotiated between republican speaker and democratic white house, but the only way this is going to get passed is with cooperation with the parties. >> from the very beginning, house democrats along with senate democrats and president biden made clear the only way to avoid a catastrophic default is to find a bipartisan solution moving forward that allows for common ground to be found, thankful that president biden has been able to thread that needle and present a resolution that both avoids a default and protects incredibly important democratic interests. >> some of your members have complained the white house has not been communicative throughout this process, in particular when the deal sort of in principle emerged that they waited a full day to brief the caucus. curious, the white house said they are going to be more clear

going forward now that the deal is reached. have you seen that improvement and have your members felt that improve by the white house? >> i think you are talking about two different things. there were issues as it relates to whether the white house was communicating in a very public-facing way, i had no problems with the approach the white house decided to take because they were in the middle of high stakes, high intense negotiations. in terms of whether the white house has been communicative with democrats from the moment in which the agreement in principle was announced i haven't heard a single person complain about any shortcomings relative to the manner in which the white house has communicated. if anything, they have overcommunicated and good thing. last question. yeah. >> are democrats willing to step in -- [inaudible]

>> we are making sure we avoid a catastrophic default, don't allow the extreme maga republicans to trigger the job killing recession, many want to do because they believe it's in their political interest in 2024, that is incredibly irresponsible, unpatriotic and un-american and thankful for president biden's leadership and making sure he protects the u.s. economy. >> john: all right, so hakeem jeffries, the minority leader in the house expects mccarthy to bring at least 150 votes, which means that the democrats would have to contribute at least 68 votes to get this thing over the line, and sandra, he is saying there that democrats did get something out of this bill because they protected social security, medicare, medicaid, veterans benefits, which were never on the table. >> sandra: he labelled as protecting democrat interests, also pointing out and commending

the president for extending the debt ceiling for two years and avoiding what he called a catastrophic default that would be coming. interesting to get republican reaction to that, john. >> john: why don't we do that. south carolina congressman ralph norman, one of dozens threatening to vote against the new debt deal. start with hakeem jeffries, he has a commitment from mccarthy to bring two-thirds of the republican conference on to the yea side of this, at least 150 votes. does the speaker have that? >> you know, it's a moving target, john. and i will say all i know is there's been a lot of the votes that they have whipped have not been good. a lot of people have issues with this, and the minority leader says and what's actual truth is two different things. to say the white house has been working hard on this, they have been earnestly, the president

took off 97 days, a clean deal, not $1 out of this. the republicans came and mccarthy did a good job getting 218, had 0 democrats. ironic now they are saying they are on board and that just shows me and you've got a lot of republicans who said this isn't a good deal. i don't buy janet yellen's position, i think it's posturing that the sky is falling, we are not going to -- we are going to default on social security and medicare and medicaid. that never was on the table anyway. she's moved the date three times. the x date was june 1st, then came to june 5th, and now june 8th, time to go back to the table. no deal is better than a bad deal, and when you look at the bill we sent over that had the

vast majority of the support of the members that gave mccarthy guardrails to protect the interest of this country financially and then to come out with what we did, it's no excuse for this. so, i'm a no vote, it's time to go back to the table and negotiate and call their bluff on the fact that they are going to default. we are not going to default, we are going to pay the bonds, pay social security, but to give the shop away as mccarthy has done in my opinion is unexcuseable. >> sandra: that's a big statement, to give the shop away. do you believe that's happening? >> go down the list. 1.5 trillion to go through march of 2024. mccarthy went to unlimited, he could raise the debt ceiling 4 trillion, 8 trillion, until january of 25. he does not want to deal with it in the presidential election. let's look at the using the 22

budget for the 24 budget with the caps, that's gone. let's look at the work requirements. kevin says we have something out of it, he took out medicaid, which is the biggest driver of work requirements. 96 million people are enrolled in medicaid. let's go down the issue with the student loan fiasco of paying student loans. i don't know of anything that was not given and to give the shop away is a good example, describes it. >> john: so congressman bishop of north carolina says it's not there yet but he would consider a motion to vacate the chair. would you consider a motion to vacate the chair over this? >> it depends how mccarthy deals from here on out. i mean -- think about it, john. we were over memorial day and to get a call to come and support a

bill, the negotiated bill we had not even read is like the pelosi days. you have to pass it before you can read it. this needs -- >> john: he is giving you 72 hours to consider it before you are asked to vote on it. >> pelosi didn't do that, and peace the 20 of us in january, we got that. but really, for this serious of a bill affecting the dollars that it is, and the financial security which is national security, you want to have a lot more time and i think -- >> john: only 99 pages. >> what? >> john: only 99 pages, not the 2,000 plus the affordable care act was. >> well, and the -- one of the biden bills was 4,180 pages we had less time to read on. but no, this is a serious issue, we have serious concerns with it. at the end of the day i think we gave away way too much and time

to negotiate and go back to the table. >> sandra: mccarthy spoke on the hill saying he's still confident it's going to pass, even with defections like yours. back to the janet yellen comment. you all contract that deadline as well, right? i mean, those are numbers you can get ahold of and track when it will happen. sounds like you are calling politics on her deadline. >> that's exactly what i'm doing. she knows the true numbers. we haven't received anything from janet yellen to show the true facts and figures. why does she keep moving it? why -- you know, the tax revenues that will come in in june -- >> sandra: it is a moving target, a moving number. it's not -- there are some variables there. >> there are some variables there, it's up to her to provide them. as of this date we had not heard anything about how she justfies the dates. the whole thing is a fiasco and

smoke and mirrors and if not now, when are we going to address it. you know, we are actually avoiding a future default. the cliff is right ahead of it and this is just slowing the project down and getting a much better deal and i'm tired of hearing well, the senate won't pass it. i'm not in the senate, i'm tired of hearing we will cut but it's tomorrow, no, tomorrow is now. we have an administration laid out their agenda early on, no cuts, clean debt ceiling, and he got everything he wanted, we got 0. >> john: typically the way the debate has always gone, talk about cutting spending tomorrow but right now we have to raise the debt ceiling. we'll be following this debate, it's going to be there for everybody to see all day tomorrow and a vote tomorrow night according to the speaker. congressman, thank you for joining us. appreciate it. >> sandra: thank you, congressman. vladimir putin is blaming ukraine for a drone strike in moscow. could this escalate the ongoing

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>> john: drones hit residential areas in moscow since the war be gain. russia blaming ukraine on the strikes. ukraine has not said they were behind it. let's bring in kurt volker. a former u.s. nato special representative for ukraine negotiations. this is eight drones sent in to the center of moscow targeting an area home to moscow's business and political elite. vladimir putin called it terrorist activity in an attempt to scare and provoke moscow. this idea of being it's terrorist idea, what the flip has putin been doing in ukraine the last three months? >> well, that's exactly right. they've been launching multiple drone attacks against ukraine every night. this weekend, we've seen about

50 a day going at kyiv. so this is something that russians have been doing to the ukrainian population for well over a year. this case, we don't actually know who is behind this and how they're doing it. it's a long way to get to moscow from the ukrainian border. so it could be something happening from inside russia or it could be coming further from ukraine. and there's groups now that have organized themselves to oppose putin that are russian groups. they're the ones that took responsibility for the attacks last week. so we don't know what is behind this. i think the purpose of it seems clear. it's to let the political elite in moscow know what it's like for them to be facing some risk, which they have not faced at all but the ukrainians face every day. >> john: so to any of these political and business elites being targeted or given a wake-up call, do any of them have the sway to get to putin saying continuing this war isn't a good idea?

>> at some point, that is what will happen. i don't know how or when that could possibly occur. right now you have more public criticism of putin than we've ever seen during his rule in russia up to this point. of course, it's coming from the far right. it is debilitating criticism saying they have utterly failed and weakened russia. everybody in russia now starts to understand that this is not working. putin's war is not working for russia. how they change this, how they deal with that, first off, it can only happen internally. can't happen from outside. secondly, we don't know what will be going on there, how that can take place. >> john: if this was ukraine and the u.s. military believes the drone attack that took out the flag center at the kremlin was ukraine, it could be an aspect of psychological warfare in anticipation of the launch of the counter offensive.

do you have any idea when this counter offensive might begin? we're starting to get pretty late in the day here. >> right. well, i think we have to not look for one big bang of a counter offensive. i think we're already in the midst of it as we're seeing ukrainians have logistical supplies of russian forces, further and further back. disrupting their communications, making it impossible for the russian forces to advance and ultimately to sustain themselves. remember, when the ukrainians took that city of kherson last autumn, they didn't actually fight the russians to do it. they cut them off and the russians with drew. i think it's going to look more like that than pitch head-to-head battles. >> john: real quick, a few seconds, how much is riding on the ukrainian counter offensive? >> well, i think for the ukrainians, it's very important that they show progress on the ground to keep confidence both in their own population and in

the western countries supplying them with arms. >> john: ambassador, great to get your take on things. >> thanks, john. >> john: what a busy afternoon, sandra. we're just back from a holiday weekend. >> sandra: off to a rocking week. thanks for joining us. >> sandra: i'm sandra smith. >> john: i'm john roberts. "the story" starts right now. martha is not back so trace is here. hi, trace. >> good to see you. good afternoon. i'm trace gallagher in for martha maccallum. the debt deal that could prevent a calamity for the u.s. economy facing its first big test in the house right now. just days away from a potential catastrophic default as the white house puts it. karine jean-pierre is about to take the podium there. we are keeping an eye on that briefing as the debt deal struck by president biden and kevin mccarthy faces opposition from the spea