arthel: buckle up with the summer campaign season is on right now were going to take a life look at iowa's roast and ride. i was governor kim ronald speaking now for this is hundred joni ernst annual event. this year nearly the entire gop presidential field will be th there. riding motorcycles, flipping pork, giving speeches and trying to woo potential voters. welcome to "fox news live" i am arthel neville hi eric. space bar white does that look

like a lot of fun. their politics there today to enter tim scott from arkansas governor asa hutchinson both expected to speak in this hour. we will bring their remarks live when they speak. top story percy prime suspect suspect in the top 2005 disappearance of natalee holloway. remember this question ricky is one step closer to extradition. jordan is serving time in peru for a separate murder conv conviction. was transported to maximum-security prison in the capitol city today. he's about to be transferred to the united states. you may recall natalie went missing 18 years ago with high school vacation trip to aruba but she was declared dead in 2012 but her body has yet to be found. meantime in alabama grand jury to indict and 2010 on charges he tried to extort money from her family. claim he could lead them to hurt remain so will his return by the

break the family needs? and so desperately want? charles watson with the breaking development in the fast-moving case hi charles. brexit afternoon eric. family is certainly hoping for that an official interval tells fox digital that joran van der sloot was being moved from the prison he was house out in southern peru to a maximum security facility in the peruvian capitol early this morning. interpol chief down in peru said the transfer would happen at midnight and joran van der sloot would land in the lima, peru by sunday morning hubie offered to the fbi for temporary extradition to the united states where he is expected to face charges related to an alleged scheme to sell what turned out to be false information about the whereabouts of natalee holloway in exchange for $250,000 from holloway's mother with a teenage girl from alabama went missing in aruba during a high school senior trip back in

2005. van der sloot is currently serving a 28 year sentence for the murder of a 21-year-old woman in peru in 2010 has long been the prime suspect in natalee holloway's disapp disappearance. her mother, beth, percy told fox news in the state of the extradition would give a chance for justice to be served writing empire quote i was blessed to have had natalie in my life for 18 years. and as of this month i have been without for exactly 18 years. she would be 36 years old now. it has been a very long and painful journey but the persistence of many is going to pay off. together we are finally getting justice for natalie. according to court records van der sloot previously admitted to shoving the alabama teen so hard that she hit her head on iraq and died back in 2005. however his touring has shifted several times over the years his own lawyer has questioned his credibility and natalee holloway's body has never been

found to definitively prove it. it is not entirely clear when van der sloot will arrive here in the united states. he is expected to be here for the next few days when he does get on u.s. soil we do expect him to be taken to birmingham, alabama where he will face a wire fraud and extortion charges in federal court. support we can only hope will finally be answers for the family. charles thank you. arthel: now are going to back to the race for the white house as 2024 gop hopefuls gather in iowa for senator joni ernst annual roast and ride fundraiser. lots of bikes, barbecue and a hefty side of the political speeches. for most of the gop field declared and undeclared candidates. one who will not be there from her present donald trump, senior national correspondent rich edson is alive and des moines, iowa with more and i was senator chuck grassley is speaking right now. how is the crowd is that crowd

jazz, rich? it is jazz and everyone is in a really good spot right now. many of them took the motorcycle right over here. we talk about who is not here tonight you have the bulk of the republican field senator chuck grassley speaking right now for before that you had the governor of iowa kim reynolds. she spoken joni ernst kick things off a short while ago. this is her event. this started a couple hours ago. should presidential candidates all getting in your trying barbecue and talking to voters is the first caucus state in the nation on the republican side. the person or group of voters is going to weigh in on who they want to represent their party in the presidential election pretty spoke to one voter here who had been meeting with the candidate he is better he is a republican. i asked him what he plans to vote on trump again or support them in a caucus question he said look the field is open i will take a look. listing some of the speakers i asked and plan on caucusing you look at look at as if i was

crazy this is iowa caucusing is in our blood here. we have several months before we are going to actually have to cast some votes here and in the corner of a gym that's out stud humor that began earlier today with a motorcycle ride. the first is that mike pence. he was the only one to join senator joni ernst on her right over here with the other writers of course. we spoke to sandra ernst about this race after this was going to be a competitive primary or it is a done deal performer president trump? >> not at all. again, you can see by the level of enthusiasm here today that people are really interested in these other candidates. while president trump is a favorite out there across iowa, i do hear people say they want to hear from other potential candidates. so they are keeping an open m mind. ernst said she didn't bite from her present here as she did all

the other candidates we will soon hear from pensacola florida governor desantis florida un ambassador nikki haley, senator tim scott among others who spoke with scott today asked him how he breaks through in this field? >> i believe conservatism anchored in optimism is the way we start winning elections. seven of the eight popular votes for president we have lost the gop the great opportunity party has to give americans reasons to be optimistic and to look forward. alexander scott and the others are soon going to have company former new jersey governor chris christie is jumping in, north dakota governor doug burgum in pence an ounce in iowa within the next week. arthel: rich, i heard senator ernst to say yes listen president trump is not here for their people interested in him. and he of course looms large over this presidential race on the gop side. but senator ernst they don't take iowa for granted. this is important. hands are been shaken there is

some wooing to be done do you find the crowd is actually open? >> many in the crowd are. there are still very strong trump supporters here. you go outside their truck flags over the former president was here a couple of days ago for he met with faith leaders here. he spoke with others here. he held a rally here and of course happy town hall with sean hannity. he is pulling well ahead of the rest of the field right now. many islands are open they want to hear they have to say. it's interesting to watch how the different candidates are trying to finesse that former presidents and we support his policies but a particular candidate is best to deliver this policies about the tweets, without the drama without this. there is development on who can do that for the difficulty of course is going to be making sure you can break through wooded rep for president trump, governor desantis behind him still trailing him but will have the rest of the field. and how does everybody else

stand out? going to events like this is meant to establish. arthel: do not know it center grassley's and behind you but the crowd is giving a standing ovation. alright rich will let you get back to thank you very much will talk to you little bit later, thank you. eric: arthel, joni ernst has her roast and ride do you think chuck grassley could be concordant would chuck or something. president biden was yesterday he was talking about the debt ceiling bill. guess what, you just sign the price a bipartisan agreement during a rare oval office address last night. the crisis is settled a four in one comment back on our radar defense secretary lloyd austin and defense form in singapore today sang the u.s. will not stand for china bullying our allies. this is a china warship reportedly came within one or 5n destroyer in the taiwan strait. another close call with china at

lucas tomlinson live at the white house with more on this. hey lucas for quick say eric first of the debt ceiling bill moments ago the white house and president biden signed the debt ceiling bill and i have to say here at the white house not a lot of fan but no sign of the marine corps band just eight marie or corporal standing outside the west wing which indicates the president is in the oval office. perhaps posing for pictures. back to china to mention the harrowing incident in the taiwan strait a chinese destroyer across an american destroyer during a straight transit. lloyd austin speaking in singapore, this is what he said earlier. >> united states does not seek a new cold war. and competition must not spill over into conflict. the region should never be split into hostile blocks. instead, we are working to strengthen the guardrails against conflict. >> of course eric many lawmakers say that's exactly with the u.s.

is in right now. a new cold war with china. this morning more attention is a mention taiwan strait appeared nato warships in american guided missile destroyer in the canadian routine transit waters but beijing calls those provocative relenting chinese warship cut across the bow of the american destroyer the risk of collision exists for all students reference to bowling perhaps a reference to the giant chinese spy craft that float across the u.s. and the weeklong odyssey or to this the tiny fighter jet that recently thumped the u.s. air force reconnaissance plane in the south china sea putting its jet wash in front of the american spy plane causing turbulence. as you can see the pentagon glass of the chinese in the circus tent. former national security adviser to vice president pence of the u.s. military by this offense chief need to do much more. >> he needs to act tough and talk tough. you need to remind the chinese we are a global power in a very powerful power as well. >> and back to the debt ceiling bill the president just sign,

many are public and lawmakers say biden's defense budget included in this bill is not large enough they look at china's name of the largest navy in the world today the u.s. fleet is about cap the size it was during the cold war. >> meanwhile beijing. lucas of the west, thank you. arthel: lucas and eric thank you for the iconic track the time to the kentucky derby will suspend racist after this weekend. churchill downs says a temporally shutting down will investigate a dozen horse deaths deaths there over the past month including seven in the days leading up to the kentucky derby. all races will be moved to other tracks. let's go to cb cotton she has the latest now. >> ti arthel dozen horses have died in churchill downs is now suspending racing in its historic trek in the middle of the spring meat. racist for the remainder of the meat will be held this weekend at churchill downs a pickup next weekend at another tracking contacted two hours away, ellis

park the about of course dust of the past five weeks has brought mounting pressure from federal regulators who called an emergency meeting this past tuesday to examine why the horses have been injured at the track the ceo of a horse racing integrity and safety association telling the "new york times" to issue a recommendation on wednesday this week. churchill downs announced friday afternoon fault line with the recommendation to temporarily pause racing at the track. adding that while investigations and that indicated any surface issues, factors are even patterns linked to the deaths the company still decided to relocate the meat to conduct a quote talked about her review. this move comes a day after churchill downs and horse racing oversight authority put in place new safety initiatives to discourage trainers from running a vulnerable horses than it measures a pause trust -based incentives not only the top five finishers will receive payouts these rules will be in effect in the spring meat moves to ellis park.

of course some question churchill downs plan to move the spring meat and the new precautions. the president of kentucky horsemen's benevolent protective association saying these are unprecedented steps adding that he thanks there should be discussion of allowing trainers and vets use medications for the horses. despite there is abuse horse racing experts have said some sort of action and something has to give. >> has been an improvement but we've got to continue to imp improve. this level of catastrophic injury is multifactorial. >> the deaths again at 12 horses in a single month event a dark mcleod of the triple crown season next week's triple crown finale belmont stakes begins next saturday here in new york. arthel i think i'm slated to cover that. back to you. >> okay hopefully it will be positive as it usually is. cb cotton thank you. let's arthel let's go back to

iowa the roast and ride event that is sponsored by senator joni ernst. eight hopefuls making their case right there senator tim scott let's listen. some doubt now in the goodness of what america would one day be. he taught me that if you have faith in god, faith in yourself, and faith in america all things are possible. thank god almighty for a man who understood the american story. and as you have heard before likely i was raised by a single mother in poverty. my mom worked 16 hour days to keep food on the table and the lights on. she was a nurse's aide. our job is changing bedpans enrolling patients. she looked at me and gave me another motivational lesson. she said we can be a victim or we can be a victoire.

she chose a victorious and i am so thankful she did. she also taught me that there is dignity and all work. that is why i know if you are able bodied in, you work. every single able-bodied american should go to work. and i will say this as a president of the united states i am running because i believe america can do for anyone what she has done for me. we've got to restore hope for a rethink about restoring hope i think about your governor kim reynolds who passed the most monumental choice and the history of the great state of iowa. every child should celebrate the governor.

i am a person who believes the closest thing to magic in america is a good education. i believe that because as a young kid i went to four different elementary schools by the fourth grade. my mom struggled to find the right school. had we had governor kim reynolds back in the day, my life would have been even better. and the kids today in this state because of her hard work but actually see their highest dreams. their greatest potential being achieved because they will be equipped with quality education. it is one of the ways we restore hope as a nation. the second thing i would do as president of the united states is to create opportunities. opportunities do not happen in washington d.c. they happen or small businesses create jobs. in the american economy rises to the occasion. those are the issues i fight for

the third one. as a president of the united states we must protect the america we love. that starts with our southern border. it is time to build a wall and close our southern border. eric: tim scott with the very powerful personal story of course. he's given to the voters of iowa is running on a campaign of hope and optimism for america. perhaps taking a patient ronald reagan himself in his campaign. we will follow up with asa hutchinson the former governor of arkansas. that center is also speaking will follow him when he comes on stage. house hearing next week will look into the department of homeland security handling of the end of title 42. this as a suspected corporation they are caught in texas with rifles and juveniles but will get reaction next from arizona congresswoman, there she is on

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border authorities a five suspected members of a drug cartel are under arrest for this after they illegally crossed into texas.

they had rifles, technical gear and at least two juveniles with them. claudia has more. >> these arrests illustrate the growing turf were happening along the southern border and have kids are being recruited to control highly profitable smuggling routes. the sound we are talk about the northeast cartel. what of mexico's most ruthless criminal organizations for this individual was spotted moving through the brush. you can see from the back he was heavily armed it is if he was captured. these five were caught and arrested yesterday according to the texas department of public safety these men are suspected members of the northeast cartel and along with the weapons they had to minors with them. they were reportedly terrified. these boys 15 and 16 years old. more teenagers and younger kids are being swept up part of the mission to train the next generation of smugglers. whether they like it or not.

>> a lot of these individuals are being taken by force by these cartels. they're going to fight for them or be killed. so that's a lot as young teenagers the lot will be recruited and forced into these training camps. then it cartel the artwork fighting for control of territory and smuggling routes for the making their presence known in the rio grande valley and elsewhere making it even more dangerous for migrants crossing into the u.s. not to mention border patrol agents and people who live along the southern border. arthel: claudia thank you very much. right now we want to dip back into the iowa roast and ride event or former arkansas governor asa hutchinson is speaking right now. so let's listen in. >> so literally i parked my car and hitchhiked over too memphis

to date susan. that gave us a 49 good years of marriage. i am proud of that start. and by the way do not hitchhike. do not hitchhike. now i had the highest compliment i have ever had campaigning anywhere this last week in iowa. i campaign here in iowa at a small event and i'm shaking hands and get into a conversation with someone. and after a little visit they come to me and say you know, you seemed like a normal person. [laughter] is that not just the greatest compliment you could have customer. [applause] and guess what, iowa can spot normal from a long ways away. that is important would look at the authenticity of a candidate. who they are, what they believe in. and yes, iowa plays an important role this next year.

first in the nation test i will be here taking advantage of that and trusting iowans to make the right decision. so thank you for leading. [applause] and i am normal because i love an egg state. small communities that thrive on families and commitment. when you look at my background growing up on a farm and yes i learned how to clean out chicken houses. chickens, cattle, anything you could do to make a living on the farm. my dad was a usda poultry inspector. but because of education i have had opportunities in life. as joni mentioned, i've had the opportunity to serve the united states congress. i've had the opportunity to actually balance the budget in the united states congress. the last time we did as a nation and we are way overdue.

i served the bush administration is head of homeland security, border security respons responsibilities. transportation, protecting our country from the next terrorist attack. in times of crisis for our nation, i have been there. i headed up the u.s. drug enforcement administration as tim scott mentioned, we have a challenge with fentanyl and our country. before it started campaigning again i was here in iowa campaigning against methamphetamine. educating is saying we got to supply. the supply reduce the burden in our communities. today the challenges fentanyl but i understand the crisis that is ahead of us. as governor, came back to arkansas got elected governor and for the first time in the history of arkansas we had a republican governor with a republican legislature. [applause]

and we tried to follow i was example. arthel: from farm i took congress the former governor of arkansas is touting his vast experience as part of his plea for the presidency. starting at the beginning sent one of the potential voters there gave him the best compliment saying you know, you seemed like a normal person. keep an eye on this. >> i mean you are dealing with transnational multibillion-dollar organizations and they are pretty sophisticated brit rural parts of the stater started to see things we've never seen before. we have got to be able to respond to it progress arizona sheriff on the need for more resources to fight the mexican tart cartel. arizona governor katie hobbs announced $25 million more in grants to try and help authorities in the busy yuma sector do just that. local officials say that would not be necessary if the federal government is taking more action

meantime house homeland security subcommittee this coming tuesday will look at the department of homeland security preparations for the end of title 42 for the acting deputy commissioner for customs and border protection is among those expected to testify. what we find out arizona republican congressman part of the border security caucus joins us now. congresswoman, welcome. what do you think congress wants to investigate as it relates to the end of title 42? >> i think we want to know exactly what is going on. it does not appear the bite administration wants to secure the border. instead i believe their priority is to process more illegal immigrants into the united states. case in point and yuma, arizona what you just discussed about 15 months ago the president and secretary may orchestra promise to close the gaps in the border wall.

they still have not done it. i talked to the yuma county supervisor just this morning they said the number of murderers going on just across the border in mexico is really getting frightening because the different factions of the cartels are fighting for control. it is spilling over into yuma. so the tourism is down. the amount of winter visitors is down because people are afraid. farmers in arizona have to hire 24/7 security just so illegal immigrants and cartel members don't cross over their fields so they become contaminated. when you think about it this new cbp app is going to process 3000 illegal immigrants per month. that is in addition to the 30,000 that are coming and on

parole from certain countries and then they are increase the number of other refugees coming in. their priorities are mixed up it's really a problem. the need to secure the border. over 1.3 million fentanyl pills were apprehended just in one location in arizona last wee weekend. and they said that accounts for about 10% of the fentanyl pressing our border. we need to secure the border. >> a mi break to think you just said. first, that app. the biggest surgery that was going to come apparently has not materialized. this takes down to 70%. that is been redirected as you said to the app. 40000 a month applied to app. they come through a legal point of entry. what you are saying is they are just funneling these people officially through the app to get them into this country? >> that is what it appears like.

that is when the priority of the biden administration as most of the democrats all along. the more illegal immigrants here they just figure out a different system to dubai. we know with all kinds of fentanyl pills crossing the border with unaccompanied children crossing the border. they're still not letting the adults the unaccompanied children are being sent to virginia foxx is a chair of ed labor committee is going to a hearing on child labor and how they're being into that. before that is so heartbreaking so heartbreaking to go think you pointed out as a violence on the board from the cartels that require the u.s. army? or post the army on the border? should the military be brought into this if the cartels bring firepower and violence and attacks on our side of the border? >> certainly if it comes over to the american side which it

already has a little bit. but to the extent that it is needed, of course our military and national guard has to protect u.s. citizens there has been almost 100 people they've apprehended so far this fiscal year that on the terrorist watch list. and then they apprehended an ied i think it was douglas, arizona couple weeks ago. these are not just nice people coming over for a job. many of them are but there are dangerous people coming across our border. there are offenders. there are people raping the women, raping the girls. kids are being sold into sex slavers but cartels are not nice people they are doing this for money and they are ruthless. and so we really need to secure the border. biden, that is not his priority and that is just sad. it's a sad state of affairs. but you are right that may 6a

pipe bomb wrapped in an eminem box was confiscated. what is it say finally, congressman not just the people in others but a pipe bomb trying to smuggle a pipe bomb allegedly into our country? >> we need to secure the border. under president trump and yuma, arizona deck 25 -- 35 people crossing the border that they apprehended every day now it's 38 -- 500. right before title 421 awareness one -- 2000 a day. that is just in one small town in arizona. this is a huge problem. we need to secure the border for our national security. for the sake of our citizens. but quite frankly also for the sake of the illegal immigrants that are being abused and used. eric: congressman debbie lesko of arizona.

thank you for joining is always good to see you. >> thank you. steve all right, eric we're going to go to a feel-good story now for most 12 -year-olds do not have college other mines quite. this 12-year-old just became the youngest person to graduate from california's fullerton college graduate two weeks ago in fact with not one, but 5 degrees for clovis are attending college when he was nine and he says he is not done yet. i mean i cannot wait to speak with clovis. i believe are going to bring him in he is on vacation in jerusalem if i'm not mistaken. we are waiting to get connected to clovis. in fact we are going to reestablish his shock and get back to you in a moment. you are not going to want to miss this, cannot wait to talk to him. eric: looking for to that meanwhile the how the very

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customer coated you know? >> in second grade my mom found out i was different from the other kids. so my mom pulled me out and tried when you're homeschooling. and she found out i had a very special ability. there she pulled me and put me in college. i tried a first class history class and found out that i like it so i kept moving on from there. >> you were in the special admit program at fullerton college which allowed you to take college courses while your mom is homeschooling you. try to juggle the workload? did you have a strict schedule? >> yes i had a schedule. i plant my schedule. also i had my pets were my emotional support. my family supported me. my mom kept me in my schedule. and my dad would commute. he would take me too school every day.

arthel: didn't you say you have a pet? you say that you have a pet, clovis? >> yes, i do. i have my dog his name is chip chip and a cat called cotton. arthel: i love it, and limit you gotta have pets they help us all and believe you grinned you graduated may 20 you had five associate degrees and went to list them for our audience history, social sciences, arts and human expression, science and mathematics social behavior and self-development. so i'm going to stick with that last when social behavior and self-development. what do you find a most intriguing about the way adults behave these days? >> there is no different way, but everyone is different i believe. arthel: do you think adults have a proper manners and good social

skills? >> yes they are more auteur, they talk to more people. but like i said each and every one person is very different. arthel: you're right that is good. when you realize that, that is a good point you make there. when we realize that we accept everybody as different and that is a good thing we are all not the same prints out next on your agenda was getting your pilot license or trying to get that important years which i'm sure you will. you will be 16 years old when you get that license. how do you plan to use your pilot license? >> in the future i either want to be an aerospace engineer, a pilot or a pediatrician. so my pilot license will help me pursue my aerospace and pilot in the future. arthel: to many summer vacation plans you are a hard worker you need a break at some time at some point? >> yes indeed. right now i am in tel aviv it's a very nice place people are

really nice here so yes i have fun. arthel: having some fun all right listen i am very proud of you i know your mother is she's got to be beaming. you are very, very awesome but really appreciate your conversation. i appreciate your outlook on life. you just keep doing what you are doing you are a great example to not just young people but to adults as well. thank you very much. thanks thank you, thank you for having me. arthel: of course you later. eric: now to our exclusive investigation of what happened to jimmy hoffa. our show riddle the search for james r hoffa streaming now on vaccination. we break the story of gabe he is the last living fbi jimmy hoffa suspect. >> did you kill jimmy hoffa? >> no way in a million years. >> be part of this squad the mob ties to kill jimmy hoffa? >> away in a million years but they never asked me anything

about where i was. not even once we. >> wait, wait that's the most important thing. they never asked you where you were when jimmy hoffa disappeared? >> no never did. >> is each on the truth and what did happen to jimmy hoffa scott bernstein joined us now from detroit is on the top profit case experts in the country to his website, take a look at it gangster report. i covers all things in mafia. there it is for you can listen to his podcast original gangsters he has been covering this case. scott, welcome to deceive. we just heard the words of gabe do you think he killed jimmy hoffa? >> no i do not believe he killed jimmy hoffa. >> why is that? >> i believe this was from top to bottom a detroit mafia homicide, conspiracy, disposal. i think the new jersey crime family were the tony pro guys were which was the brothers, i

believe if there was any role played in that conspiracy it was incredibly minor. and if gabe has any knowledge i don't think it will be substantive. >> he denies all of that. what is so interesting about all of this is this house as we have covered it, continue to >> what's called the east coast narrative. this was all anthony provenzano. capitol of the crime family you see that in the movies we saw that in the irishman. why has that stayed in the public's mind for so long for so many decades? and what can be done about it? >> there is nothing that can be done about it. there is east coast bias when you're writing but in the level of crime in america.

the general consensus among reporters as well as probably regular civilians if it is happening in the mob it's happening in new york. city like detroit is treated like it's a city in montana not michigan. [laughter] eric: what does that mean? >> it means it's easy for people like yourself and your network and other reporters and media outlets in new york to dismiss our marginalized detroit. when in fact when it comes to the mafia when it comes to jimmy hoffa there is nobody bigger more influential more powerful and more adept at pulling off gate than the detroit mafia. they were the cadillac of organized crime families in the ivy league. >> a new art sense how did this play out? how did the whole thing break down in terms of detroit?

x half it was kidnapped from the restaurant parking lot on the afternoon of july 30, 1975. probably to 245 and 3:00 p.m. i believe is driven a car that was occupied by billy jack who is a cop on the detroit mob. from tony was a soldier at that time. i believe they drove him to a house that was connected to members of organized crime is probably a two, three, four minute drive from the red fox restaurant when they were supposed to meet. i believe shortly thereafter murdered either before he got to the house or once he came into the house. his body was then disposed of the cyclic central sanitation which was a mobbed up sanitation company about a 25 minute drive. i would say by 4:00 p.m. that afternoon there is no more jimmy hoffa like literally no more

body. we have been running around for 48 years looking for something that does not exist. and mythology feeds on itself. eric: do you think someone will finally talk? you mentioned billy jack and vito jack malone it was a member of the detroit crime family. >> yes do i think, he's been dead for 11 years. his brother tony jack in my opinion the tip of the spirit when it came to this conspiracy quarterback all the details the site back in 2001. jackie, if yes the fbi right now jackie is the boss of what is left of the detroit organized crime group. he was 25 years old when this happened. i don't believe he had any involvement. so you can ask him, he did he said he didn't know anything just like gabe i tend to believe

him. so far you believe basically jackie does not know anything. >> he might have some quality secondhand information but in terms of first-hand info, information that is not you note given to him that he saw firsthand i do not believe he has any valuable information for the investigation. if arms are go-ahead regrets i think everything he had to be circumstantial. there were not many firsthand information. eric: do you think someone will say something to finally put the end to this to provide solace for the hoffa family and for the country? >> i hope the fbi comes out at some point in the next couple of years may be of the 50 year anniversary mark and closes it down and say this is what we believe happened were 99.9% sure this is how it happened. i know they have a blueprint of

what cap and they are 99% sure that's exactly what happened. come out with it publicly. name billy jack and tony as the guys who killed him and let it go. as a jackie said to you guys, you have honestly hit a dead end pretty echoes the sentiments of a lot of members of organized crime there scrutinized over this as well as the public. and frankly as well as reporters like myself. do not know what more we can get out of this. you cannot get blood out of a stone. seaport let's hope the fbi does at the 50th anniversary is july 30, 3025. but the gangster report in the original gangster podcast. good to see. scott is in our special by that of course thank you scott as always. for more on the gym a half a case there is our new show episode number six riddle, the search for james are prophets called the last living suspect about gabe and so much more

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