week on your local fox station or sundays at 2 p.m. eastern on the fox news channel. that is it for today. thank you for joining us. i'm shannon bream. have a great request week, we'll see you next "fox news sunday." ♪ word. ♪ ♪ [music] mark: hello america, i'm mark levin this is "life, liberty and levin." all that debt talk and ceilings and you are for it or against it. i hope watch carefully our program tonight, we're getting to great stuff. before we do, that let's set

table. i have here the government accountability office document that nation's fiscal health. may 2023. issued a couple weeks ago, this was issued to every leader in congress by the executive branch. the gao is one of the best of the entities our government has, what do they say. why t do we care. it says: >> balance of current revenue, resolve in debt growing faster than the economy, this s this is unsustainable. the government never writes reports like this or speaks

like this. it continues: cbo, has stated high and rising federal debt i is a fiscal crisis. underlying conditions driving unsustainable fiscal outlook post, social challenges have not addressed. they are trying to say, the economy could collapse. could collapse. they go on: they are saying

we're not at war, the economthe economiesq economics balancedded 3 out of last 4 years. for example, debt held by public, grew during economic expansion of june 2009 to february 2020, it did not grow during the economic expansion from march of 1991 to march of 2001. prior decade. this is pretty shocking stuff from the bureaucracy. independent a a an -- analysis emphasize:

>> twice the size of the economy by 2051, get your whithis report is available to the public. how much -- how mu how many news reports refer to this document, none and there is more, soa social security and medicare, they issued a report, they put out a message to us, right out of internet. it says:

>> what are we talking about? the hostile insurance trust fund will be able to pay, medicare 100% of total scheduled benefits until 2031. 3 years later than report last year, at that point funds will become depleted. 2031. funds reserves will be depleted. old age and survivors insurance. bulk of social security trust fund pay 100% of total scheduled benefits until 2033. 2033. that is frightening. so they feel that both these funds when combined, if you combine their period of time, 20 another 34, then there is nothing, your government stole all of the

money. so, how many people have read this report? this report goes from trustees and exe executive branch on leaders in congress, it comes out of the executive branch as does the gao, it is executive branch and biden who are pushing spending in ways that we've never seen before, here is the letter that goes to congress. when you watch the this debate. they don't talk about this stuf stuff. you say, mark, that is why kevin mccarthy cut a bad deal. you then deal that originally voted for it would put us on path to fiscal sanity. i hate to tell you this, nothing that republicans

propose will put us on a fact to fiscal sanity, you could take more conservative member. and nothing they proposal fix it. they might slow it, there mate be a respite of a year or two, reasons the house of representatives is up for election every two years. number two, system is broken. kevin mccarthy i think has been a terrific speaker of the house. he has pushed the investigations, they passed laws involving parental rights and on the border, and they sit there in senate, they have done a great job as far as that, and pulled together his republicans as best we can, we have some that are upset with fiscal situation, i think to myself, what are they going to do about it there was a senator tom from

oklahoma, a great man. he got cancer, he retired from senate two years early. he immediately joined convention of states. he said i've been here a long time. i've been fighting this battle on the budget, nobody did it better, he said this is hopeless. this system is broken. rather than trashing kevin mccarthy, or trashing any of these people, maybe he could have gotten a better deal, maybe not, does not really matter. it doe doesn't matter, i read to you where we're going, nothing they discuss last we're addresses social security or medicare. the trajectory keeps going up, it might about like this up and up. i want to read article 5 of u.s. constitution. the congress:

>> the first mode, 2/3 of both houses proposes an amendment, that has been done 27 times, and second method before done. september 15, george mason, one of great founders, really under appreciated, he stands up and says we cannot

lefleave it to congress to fix congress. they added language, here is what george mason said: >> the government i is on is opri oppressive. they look at record and one observer said nothing, there is nothing to suggest that framers intepped t intended to be freedo process.

in constitution wrote about the method of amending the constitution. when nullification was growing, in 1830, states, slave states in particular, well before the civil war, said we can get out here and nullify what federal government does, mad so madison said you can't do, that you bounding your yourself to a constitution, your citizens of u.s. citizens. check outletter to edward

everett, a scholar the opening act if you will, he gave speech the battlefield. in letter he says no, and references nullification, why does this matter? our conestuti constitution can save us, we have conservatives in house and senate who are upset, not one gets up on floor and talks about article 5. why? they know, i know, you know, if you didn't before, you do now. we're on a horrendous path, no bill passed by congress will face it. i'm all for taking as much conservative principles and applying them as possible. but we have a structural problem. if didn't happen yesterday, it has happened over a hundred years, our constitution gives us a way out. if the state loa

legislators and senators would understand their power. under article 5, there are now 20 state legislators that adopted a resolution for a convention. not a constitutional convention, a convention of states, that say meeting of state delicates, they used to have before a constitution, you don't have a constitution constitutional convention. you still need 34 states to ask for it and 38 states to ratify. it is not easy. but i have to ask myself, where are my fellow conservatives in the house and senate? where are the conservatives running for president, ron desantis, vivek ramaswamy, they have supported this. perhaps there are others i'm not aware of, if you want to save the country, fiscally, this is what you have to do. what should we propose?

i wrote a book, the liberty amendments, i want to read this to you, spending: >> you have to meet the deadline. seconsection two:

>> i propose that needs this be in the constitution. section 3: >> period. second 4: >> that allows growth in the budget. but it puts a gdp cap on it you are not going above that amount, that was freeman's idea, it is brilliant. section 5:

>> we have a debt, we can pay it it needs to be within the budget amount. >> section 6: mark: in case we go to war. the bottoms increase during war. and section 7:a. >> it is out of control now. this amendment shall take affect in fourth fiscal year after the ratification.

. . i have a tax section too. seconsection 1: >> section 2: >> you pay your taxes, next day, if you vote in person, you vote. the consequences of acts of congress and president, are known and felt the day you vote. section 3: >> when someone dies, leave them alone. section 4: >> i was thinking you limited 15%, i don't want them to get around it wit

with a value added fact or national sales tax or some there are scheme. and section 5: >> my question to you america, while they are putting around in congress, mccarthy vehicle done better, maybe, we should have done this or, that they are playing on a field that has almost relevancey to where we are headed, the system is broken, congress broke it the president broke it they broke it under fdr, and ever ever since, we have courts involved and bureaucracy and irs involved. enough, convention of states article 5. state legislators time to step up, 20 of them have we need 14 more, you want to fix the country that is how you fix it, if you are a conservative in house stalk about it in the senate talk about it. you have no role, you can

help us promote it. that is' at least in significant part. how we etestical effectively try to address this, i'll be right back.

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mark: welcome back america, one of my buddies, one of my favorite guests, with fiscal matters, charles payne, making money with charles payne, a contributor on fbn, what do you make of brouhaha that has tak taken place. >> full of fury, signifying not much. not worth hysteria and talk of implosion, we ended up with sort of a deal, run of the mill deal we end up with. the key issues, concerns a lot of people have, what was striking to me going into this public. general public 80% of republicans say this is right time to cut spending.

two-thirds of independents and about half of the democrats, general hu public thought this may be a golden opportunity to sword of bend of curve if you will, we got more or less the same, kicked can down the road, unfortunate that we pushed it beyond the next election, 2025, a lame duck section with less accountability to american public. all in all this a disappointing -- another disappointing moment. maybe change could have happened. mark: charles, i look at this and the republical proposal that republicans -- original proposal that republicans had, difficult to wobble together. there are liberals welcome republiwithins republican party. i have to be honest with you, the first proposal,

they are great, if you can get them through. but even if biden did sign them. i'm saying we have such a structural problem right now, that we do not seem to have the ability under the system to sit down and say, okay. that is not doing it. that will not doe it. we have to put some kind of a cap on when we're doing, if you have elections every two year, one congress can blow ouc off another. >> we have crossed the rubicon. the idea that you could never go back across it again. at some point the worse case, plays out at some point, we do go off the proverbial cliff, we're paying the price for it, 31 trillion, soon to be 35 trillion, the numbers are so mind boggling, at-this-point maybe we're numb to them.

there are consequences, at some point the consequences that can knock america off its perch. mark: last 3 years have been a disaster, pandemic used as an excuse, mostly by democrats, partly republicans but mostly democrats to go nuts to spend trillions of dollars we don't have into two biden years they billed on top of that and expand government, and they want to destroy our energy independents and create climate change, and subsidize corporations, money flowing out everywhere out of ever federal government. happens again. mitch mcconnell and 18 republicans vote for the omnibus bill that drops to lap of republican majority that was not even sworn in with kevin mccarthy and so

forth. i said this is not going to work, all of the chest beating, if they only passed by bill. those guys too. they bill would have have done a hell of a lot, i'm concerned that unless we have some serious discussion about structural changes, we're in deep trouble. >> unfortunately, there is a major move structural change. but not the direction you want but in the pop sit, you described it. modern moptar monetary theory, the idea that government can never be too big or print too much money or never you know, always the last solution for everyone to everyone of our problems. if we allow government to get large enough we won't have any problems and that is what we're learni living underwrite now. mark: probably problem is iron fist of the police

state. they will decide who gets what and how to distribute it, we'll be right back.

to "life, liberty and levin." mark: welcome back america. we're here with charles payne. you look at private sector, corporations having a lot of say on what goes on in washington, banging on doors of members of coming, they want more subsidies, they want budgets passed. >> no one likes free money more than corporate america. let's talk about auto industry. imagine if your industry is with tens of millions of cars on road, there is a way

of legally replacing them all overnight, and selling people new ones in form of electric vehicles. think of the opportunity for companies that have been poorly run for fords of world and general motors, they action like, you know -, they sign on the bottom line it say huge amount of money. all of this stuff, in the name of climate change, i saw a headline in "washington post," climate change sends insurance rates up, what? things that happened forever, cyclones and 4 seasons and winter and string aspring and fall, everything now is fault of climate change, it must be created through government and ending, but on other end of that government spending, there is someone making a lot of money, the corporations that are making a lot of money, you know company that benefited most when barack obama was in office, florida power and lights, it is now next era. are all of those billions of dollars for solar panels and

this and that, so, in industry in account round table showed their hand. they changed their out look, before they were efficient botto-- for the bottom line, that is they stood for. you create a business and profit sharehol shareholders, then they changed to stake holders, that is the environment, this fuels the bottom line. in a way they get things the way they want, they have to live with more regulations. they do fatten up their bottom line at the expense of thes from per f prosperity for the average american. it hollowed out the hopes and dreams for a your honorer generayounger generation, this is dumb,

what we're doing by forcing people to drive electric vehicles when they don't want to, where do you se charging stations, just look at germany one of the most powerful economies in world, they are surpassed right now by china, they are shutting down nuclear plants they have no fossil fuels, they think a bunch of windmills will power an industrial economy, they are nuts, we're watching it and we can't wait to join them. >> this unbelievable, do people in this country vote for this. >> they vote for the utopian version. you know, you ve seen sci-fi movies, things fe fonphenomenal, it is equal, but they fall into a trap

door, they see this a phony life. easy to sell, and big problem there is no counter sell. that is the big problem. someone needs to counter sell this. >> you are good, 100%. you are not only good on finance, but culture, you nailed it thank you, charles, keep up the good work god bless you. >> you took my friend, thanks a lot. mark: we'll be right back.

mark: welcome back america. you know i came across a book. almost like -- timing is. -- the puppeteers, people who control the people who control america. by jase kn jason chaffetz. he would know something about this.

the steamithe timing is unbelievable. tell us about your views about what is going on. relate it to your book. >> well, thank you, mark. i have never been more concerned about the future of our country, i wrote puppeteers over a couple years. it seems that elections we have them, but they don't make a difference. we wonder, we elected someone, then what? if you go and look at it bidens and democrats and obamas and others have done, they put in bureaucrats. the perso perpetuity of government continues mo matter what happens in the election, they could lose white house and lose congress, but government continues, we had that debt

ceiling fight, we were arguing with less than 10% of the budget. 75% of it is mandatory program. but not just med ca medicaid and made care and social security there are others, we argue over less then 10%. if you don't do a balance basketball amendment that is tied to g gdp you will never solve the problem, you have to understand who the purposepuppeteers olik are, like susan rice who just left government, we talk and argue as republicans about all these different issues, but guess what, they have an apparatus using federal government to get out the vote. there is all these hidden gems, we follow th the money, we name the names, we tell the stories and will scare the living daylights

out of you. >> a great book. you can get it on johnny joamazon.com, a brand-new book it relates to what is taking place here today. one of big points you raised this massive administrative state, over 2 million people. then you have contractors, american people have no idea what is taking place. you have the people there, they are to be objective and partial. a lot are not. most of the law making takes place in the bureaucracy. not in congress, is that correct? >> i tell the story of the bteam, a member of congress goes to meet with can be cacabinet secretary. they are not there it is just staff, senior staff

said you are meeting with the bteam, we be here before you and after you and we be the ones that mic make the decisions. that is what is happening. mark: the bureaucracy just continues to push the democrat party, left wing agenda, when you have a republican president, they there are is sabotage the republicans the conservatives, i remember during reagan administration, during the trump administration. leaking his taxes and everything else, you don't see that when democrats are in was on the. >> no, it is north of 95 % of federal employees that make a donation go to democratic party, some agencies and departments it 100%, they could leverage the department of justice, but security and exchange

commission, they use different levers to get after america and do whatever they want. which is to implement the far left agenda. do you think that joe biden and kamala harris are making these decisions? no. absolutely not. it is the put puppeteers. mark: a great book, we need push back systematically. by using the constitution. a great book, you can get it on amazon.com. we'll be right back with jason chaffetz.

mark: welcome back america. you know this is really quite amazing, i talk about books that i really like, by

authors i feel you really need to be exposed to. some you know. this book, so timely, president puppeteers, i encourage you to get it on amazon.com any major bookstore, if is in plain english, tells about your own government from someone who was there and saw it, jason chaffetz, what can states do? >> i think the states are the solution, your governor your attorney general they could get after some things, but state famili financial officers are sleepy races, democrats are pouring millions into the races, democrats have an association, we got our hands on a document no one has seen before. it is in the book, it talks about how they will change 50 to 100 thousand dollars for a corporation to sit with the state financial officer because, the

democrats control trillions of dollars, they use that with their proxy voting to go into the corporations and make the changes on dei, and esg and all things we hate, i do are doing it behind scenes, the public is be on live yo oblivious to. those of puppeteers that make a difference, combine with ran ran randi weingarten. and susan rice. and the executive order that biden put up you about won't show it to us, talking about how they will manipulate election if their favor with federal employees and federal assets and federal facilities, you get through that and you are shaking your head, we're fighting the wrong fight, we have to

go win and we have to know how to the democrats are fighting. mark: shouldn't be is using some of their strategies and tactics again them, idea a state treasure, you are so right ki can so influence who a board of directors does. so many of woke. pushing this agenda or that. do you think at least that your book would bring this to attention of enough republicans. >> i hope so. when donald trump came in, he had larry kudlow, the economic council person, and biden comes with brian deetz, he is a climate executive, he worked forever black rock, his objective was to esg and other things. if you are not aware of this

you are be on livei -- you have to clear out inch who everyone and starve the beast, stop feeding them with money, that is how a grow. mark: that is the problem, stop feeding them with money, i have argued, you do a blood vess beautiful job on the book on this bureaucracy is an apendage of the democrat party. when they lose elections, they still win. when they win elections they claim a mandate and use it to further power the unelected parts of the government this a fantastic book, great cover too. i want to encourage you folks to get a copy. at any major bookstore goo good luck with this jaso

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>> welcome back american charles and jason, perfect >> charles and jason, perfect guests for this evening. thank you. if you want to learn about convention of state go to convention of states.com. i am one of the members. somebody is probably saying what is on his lapel? they look like colonels with stuff on it. not me. this is unique to me. i am and always have been a big fan of john wayne. this pin is from wayne enterprises, very good employee would get a pin. i don't know the rest of the history. the diamonds around it, i'm a

very good employee. i'm looking for the perfect american flag to put on this one. thanks for watching the program. god bless you, i will see you next time. >> good evening and thank you for joining us, i'm trey gowdy. america, we have a new time and we're grateful you are here with us. washington, d.c. was on alert this afternoon, a cessna aircraft doubled back for unknown reasons after reaching long island and flew right over dc before crashing in george washington national forest in southwest virginia.