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be fair as they investigate the leading political opponent. trump's 2024 rivals are under pressure to respond. >> you do not have to be a republican to see injustice. >> as republicans we stand on the rule of law. >> we break it all down for you. live with one of the former president's lawyers and head of the court appearance. we get reaction from former attorney general bill barth who says there is more to the indictment than partisanship. in the 2024 field could add yet another big name very soon. we will talk with miami mayor about his political future. and the president brushes off controversy as house republicans clash with the fbi over a document with troublesome allegations about biden's time as vice president. >> this is serious. this is legitimate. this is credible. our sunday panel will take you

beyond this spin all right now on fox news sunday. ♪ you are now looking live at palm beach. that is in florida. allegedly storing boxes of classified documents and varying rooms at its moral lago estates. some of the contents are at the center at the federal indictment the other indictment to the former president on state charges in new york. trump is accused of mishandling and at times sharing highly classified materials. also accused of hiding his possession of the documents when he was asked to return them. right now, he is the presidential republican front runner. this week and after a campaign trail key will appear in a miami courtroom. in a moment we will talk about what comes next with one of the former presidents lawyers. an advisor that is been by the president side in recent days.

first let's turn to jonathan who joins us live from miami. we will soon see the former president in court. jonathan. >> that is right, shannon. former president trump posted on social media that he has been summoned to appear at this federal courthouse in miami tuesday afternoon at 3:00 p.m. speaking at state gop convention to georgia and north carolina saturday. mr. trump launched out against the justice department and accused democrats of using the doj to suppress his political ambitions. >> the ridiculous and baseless indictment of me by the biden administration's weapon eyes department of injustice will go down as among one of the most horrific abuses of power in the history of our country. >> the former president has been indicted on 37 counts related to the alleged mishandling of classified white house document stored in various locations around his mar-a-lago estate in palm beach florida. some containing sensitive

information on the u.s. military capability and strategy. in one incident, president trumps golf club alleges during an audio recorded meeting with a writer, publisher into members of his staff, none of whom have security clearance, mr. trump showed it described a plan of attack from the department of defense. according to the indictment, trump also said as president, i could have declassified it and now i cannot. but this is still a secret. shannon, mr. trump says even if he is convicted, he will continue to run for president. he tells politico "i will never leave." >> jonathan, thank you. joining us now is one of the former president's attorneys and confidants. she does not represent the former president and the specific federal case with the indictment. welcome to fox news sunday. >> thank you. thank you for having me. what is his mood? multiple of these charges could be decades in jail.

has that sunk in? >> i don't think that he is thinking of it that way. i don't think it is a realistic way, he has done nothing wrong, he said that. this is completely politically motivated. election interference at its best. two, you know, his credit, and the world should understand, and indictment is a one-sided document. he has a defense. the defense is real. he has the defense records act which only he has in play. hillary clinton did not have that, biden did not have that. we will put that defense on. the team he will have a strong and knows exactly what they are doing. >> a speedy trial. definitely something to benefit the defendant. is this something he would rather push past the 24 election. the timeframe for this kind of federal case. >> you know, that is a strategy question.

i really cannot answer. that would be internal discussion that i have with my client. we will make that determination very soon and he will make that public when it is time. >> any chance he would take a plea deal, he has the state indictment in new york. he is facing another potential indictment january 60 of the special grand jury, those indictments could come in august. is there any thought in the presidents mind you have to focus on the campaign which is in itself an exhausting very consuming process. >> no. i could never imagine. i know that i would never advise that. especially when he has not done anything wrong. you take a plea to make it go away. that is an admission of guilt. he would never admit guilt because there is nothing wrong with declassified documents, taking documents with you. the only thing that was wrong was the raid on his home in the complete dual tier system of

justice that we are seeing here when the biden family is being treated completely differently from the trump family. to plea is exactly what they would want. this is very simple. we sought set on them as nbc. maybe he would just say i will not run for office simply out that way. no way. it makes no sense. you plea when you have done something wrong or you have no shot. we have strong defenses. >> we heard the former president twice or multiple times yesterday and the speeches that he gave in georgia and north carolina. saying he is not leaving the case no matter what. again, this is uncharted territory. a moment in america that has never happened before. we will watch as this continues to proceed. let's talk about a couple of the things in the indictment. this is a one-sided issue. the trial jury will be very different and you will have an opportunity at defense then. this actually comes from a recording memorial day shows

from one of the former attorneys. he had a number of conversations with him i don't want people looking through my boxes. there was a subpoena in place. what happens if we just do not respond or do not play ball. what happens if we just told them we don't have anything here. one of the things he is accused of in this indictment is giving false statements and forcing other people including legal members of his team to give false statements. >> yeah. i think, you know, i cannot get into details on tv, obviously. we saw a picture that is being widely publicized, right, of a box that flipped over. what is in that box? newspaper articles, pictures, things that are momento's, things that he has a right to take. so, if i am someone with documents that i have a right to have as a president who left the white house, do i want people rummaging through my personal items? no. i think you have to remember, again, like i said, there is

context that will be brought out on defense. that will be our opportunity, we have not had an opportunity to give our side and that is the image right there that i'm discussing. newspapers, pictures, momento's. shannon: the indictment also says in looking at that picture, spilled onto the storage room floor. they say in the indictment it includes documents containing secrets relative to usa five eyes which denoted the information that document was releasable only 25 eyes intelligence that consists of australia, canada, new zealand, canada and the uk. that is in part of the documents at spilled out. >> first of all, i have never seen anything spilled out. i don't know if anybody has been to any of donald trump's clubs or residences, but he does not operate that way. that may have been the way it was when they came, but i do not know. i also do not know what was in the boxes before and after. there are a lot of questions here. what i can tell you is he has

every right of classified documents that he declassified under the presidential records act. yes, they are making it sound like a five alarm fire. it is not. it is a very simple thing that everybody, we have seen numerous people able to take it and frankly he was the only one that could take classified documents at the declassified under the presidential act. shannon: alina, thank you for your time. we will watch. we will look for that defense as well. thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> former attorney general bill barr who served in the trump association. mr. attorney general, welcome back. >> thank you. >> what about this argument that comes up for the president's allies and legal team but should've been handled under the presidential act not the espionage act charging other federal statutes here. >> it started under the presidential records act and the archives trying to retrieve documents that trump had no

right to have speared it quickly became clear that what the president was really -- government was really worried about was these classified and sensitive documents. i was shocked by the degree of these documents and how many there were, quite frankly. the government's agenda was to get those, protect those documents and get them out. i think that it was perfectly appropriate to do that. it was the right thing to do. that counts under the espionage act that he willfully retain those documents are solid counts. now, i do think that we have what proves to be true, but i do think that what andy mccarthy said, if even half of it is true, he is toast. it is a very detailed indictment and it is very, very damning. this idea of presenting trump as a victim here, a victim of a witch hunt is ridiculous. yes, he has been a victim in the

past, yes, his adversaries have been pursued with phony claims. i have been on his side defending against him when he is a victim. this is much different. he is not a victim here. he was totally wrong. those documents are among the most sensitive secrets that the country has. they have to be in the custody of the archivist. he had no right to maintain and retain them. and he kept them, in a way, at mar-a-lago. if anyone cared about national security, their stomach would turn out it. >> the russian hoax from the durham report. you see these as two totally separate tracks. >> yes. there was no problem or issue underlying the russia gate claim. mapping him out with a false claim. here, i don't think government acted responsibly.

they gave him every opportunity to return those documents. they acted with restraint. very deferential with him and very patient. they talk to him for almost a year to get those documents and he jerked them around. they finally went to a subpoena what did he do, according to the government, he lied and obstructed that subpoena. and then, they did a search and they found a lot more documents. i don't even think they are short now whether they have everything. so, they acted in a very patient way and what they were met with was, according to the government and the indictment, very egregious obstruction. >> let me ask you this and clarify. the justice department went over again this is not something garland the attorney general was involved in. jack smith has complete autonomy. he makes these decisions. with the special counsel statute, would this have to go to the attorney general for some

kind of decision making process before this indictment happens and goes public? >> under the regulation, you know, the call can be made just by the special counsel. but, i am sure they had worked out in agreement where biden would keep the attorney general in the loop and if the attorney general had strong feelings he would voice them. i think the attorney general said pretty early on he would be guided by the recommendation of the council. we cannot forget here that this entire thing came about because of reckless conduct of the president. if he had just turned over the documents, which i think every other person in the country would have done, the government documents, unofficial records, not his personal records, battle plans for an attack on another country or defense department documents about our capabilities are in no universe donald j trumps personal documents. they are the government documents. shannon: what about, okay, when it came to president obama,

president biden was vice president when some of these documents that he allegedly has that's a different question. obama or clinton, the case with clinton, bill clinton, listen. >> to big lies, i think, they are right now, these other presidents took all these documents, those were situations where they arranged with the archives to set up special space under the management control and security provided by the archivist to temporarily put documents into libraries were ready. it was not put in their basement. okay. the idea that the president has complete authority to declare any document personal is facially ridiculous. that opinion had to do with the distinction between unofficial records which are records prepared by government agencies for the purpose of government action and personal documents as

opposed to official documents which are things prepared by the president such as a diary or notes which are not used in the government's deliberations. and, yes, stuff that the president himself generates, the president has some discretion. these are official documents. it is arguable. the president's daily brief provided by the committee is not shannon: i am guessing you will not join the civil team. [laughter] do you still talk to the president? how will he feel about your public take on this case? >> well, he has been angry with me for a while. i defend the president on russia gate. i sit up and called out bragg's politicized hit job and i have spoken up for 30 years about the abuse of the criminal justice

process to have influence politics. but, this is simply not true. this particular episode of trying to retrieve those documents, the government opted responsibly and it was donald j trump that opted irresponsibly. shannon: presumed innocent until otherwise proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. jackson said that in a court of law when he talked to us on friday about this. i want to make sure that while we have you here asking you about this fbi document that they have been warmed over, this 1023, the top democrat on house oversight has said, because he has seen it, too, there was something there that under your administration that it was closed off, it is linked to rudy giuliani, some back and forth. i stand at 100% by my statement that we were told by the fbi team that visited us monday junt

determined that there were no grounds from the initial assessment surface by rudy giuliani to a preliminary or full-blown investigation and was therefore closed down. was rudy giuliani connected. >> the investigation of the allegations made in that document was not closed. as i have repeatedly said, i set up a process at the beginning of 2022 vet evidence before it went to the open pending investigations. further example won in delaware. apparently, there still is one adele of their. shannon: with hunter biden. >> in the financial transactions and so forth. we were worried because a lot of stuff was coming in, what the source was before it was disseminated to investigations. the pittsburgh office vet today.

they did some great work. they went back and develop more information that apparently had been overlooked by the fbi. and they develop this 1023 that has a lot of detail and then, they took it to the delaware and other offices and briefed them on it for their use and for follow-up. the reason that the pittsburgh people did not escalate it is because they were not authorized. they were simply performing a unique and limited task of betting information that would then go to pending. already opened investigations. >> again, allegations of the source coming to the fbi saying they had information about payments to the biden family from foreign executives. quickly on the rudy giuliani point, true or false. >> my recollection is false. this did not come from rudy giuliani. it actually came from the fbi. shannon: okay.

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>> you have this maniac, i call him a deranged person. jack smith. his wife hates trump even more than he does. we get treated very unfairly. >> former president trump with harsh words for jack smith.

the lead investigator over his mishandling of classified documents. bringing in three voices to the indictments and comments to moments ago. chief news analyst brett hume, host a sunday night in america and georgetown university law professor jonathan. you heard the sound bite from the president there yesterday saying that jack smith is deranged. he mentioned his wife as well. if he was your client, what would you say to him about making statements now that the indictment is out there? >> i would resign. you cannot control this client. that is the thing with president trump. he has been treated differently and worse than others. but, that is crystal clear. to say that the prosecutor is deranged, i am pretty sure that that is like a medical diagnosis that he is not competent to give. i think that he undercuts his

legitimate arguments when he argues by hyperbole. >> well, okay. let's play a little bit more of what the president had to say yesterday. campaigning and speaking publicly after the indictment landed and was unsealed. >> biden is trying to gaol his leading political opponent, an opponent that is beating him by allowed in the polls. just like they do in russia or communist china. >> he clearly -- he is running away with it in the polls. the last indictment helped in fundraising as well. is there a limitless for gop. this is all proving my point that they are after me. >> knowing what the effect will be, but a significant has stood by him through thick and thin name may very well stand by him through this and be prepared around the country for the split

field which means he could still get the nomination even in the face of these obviously serious charges. that is one side of it. the other side is, certainly he has been treated unequally in a number of instances. the most conspicuous example of that is a hillary clinton case in which there was clearly grounds for a case. james comey who was the fbi chief at the time said as much. no prosecutor would bring the case. prosecute at your own discretion which was exercised in her favor in a case with striking similarities to this one. she does not get prosecuted, he does. biden and others who have had classified documents perhaps that were not prosecuted and he could make an argument that trump was defiant with his and they were compliant about theirs. in the end, the hillary clinton case sticks out like a sore thumb. never in my judgment thinking

this was a legitimate prosecution no matter what. shannon: prosecutor, you have heard from his legal team. no way he would ever entertain a plea deal. you also hurt his former attorney general say, if a good chunk of the sticks and there is a good conviction, his words were, i think i'm a key is toast. federal criminal statutes that have years in prison attached to them. >> the problem is, he has to run the table. all the government has to do is stick the landing on one count and he could have a terminal sentence. talking about crimes that have a 10 or 20 year period as a maximum. the evidence here is quite strong. we have not heard their other side. generally the indictments are a lot stronger. they may be able to knock down some of these issues. some of these evidence is coming from his former counsel. these are very damaging. they are damaging statements

made against him. it may be hard to move those. the fact is both things may be true. yes, out to get him, but he made it easy. if you look at what is being described in this indictment, confronted with someone he thought was trying to get him, he could not have made it more easy for them to do so. >> i want to ask you about the point that the professor makes there. a lot of what is in this indictment comes from his attorneys. a decision for the attorney-client privilege, there was a ruling on that. how much of that may be booted from the actual trial. they keep noting there has been no defense of the former president in this grand jury proceeding. that's not how it works. they get to hear one side. is it possible that some of the evidence will be thrown out or sealed out so a trial jury never sees it? >> well, the most damning piece of evidence to me is the audio tape. you want to talk about

consciousness of guilt, you want to talk about knowledge and intent, those are the darlings of the prosecutor's nursery. that came from president trump's own mouth. look, i think jonathan is exactly right. here is what i think people are wondering. jack smith brought up hillary clinton. brett hume did not bring her up, i did not bring her up, jack smith included that in the indictment. is that relevant how the bureau and department treated hillary clinton versus donald trump in a trial? will a jury ever get to hear about the disparate treatment because, look, like o.j. simpson, the police can frame a guilty person, both of those can be true. the police framed you and you were guilty, i will be curious what a jury does with that.

>> you have covered washington for a long time. a lot of presidential campaigns. have you ever seen a moment like this? >> never. this is truly unprecedented. i've never seen anything quite like it. let's keep in mind, shannon, arguing that this indictment or even a conviction would not prevent the supporters from standing by him. if he wants to be elected president again, he will need a lot of people that did not vote for him the last time around, they voted for joe biden. in any real world that you can imagine what people in light of this and all else that happened after the 2020 election going to vote for him this time who did not the last time, that is hard to believe. >> a lot of this will depend on the schedule. assuming the defense will waive the speedy trial, there is a reason why smith wants a speedy trial. i cannot imagine the defense would not waive it. it would put this trial within 70 days. you can often kick it out to 120 days, but that is not counting

appeals. so, this will be a race to the end of the runway and whether smith can make it. if it goes beyond the election, you have this looming question of a pardon or even a self parted by an electric hundred elected donald trump. shannon: thank you all very much. >> thank you. shannon: the republican mayor of miami that is thinking about a residential bid. a grand jury in his home state indicting former president trump. we'll be right back. ♪

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joining me now so that we can ask about his 2024 plans and get his reaction to the trump indictment. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> are to be with you, shannon. >> what do you make of this indictment coming they are in your backyard in miami in a federal court? >> well, you know, what i've been hearing from republicans that i've spoken to is a growing frustration that our institutions, not just the press, which has an all-time low rating interest, but also justice, which is a pillar of a democratic society. the trust in our justice department has been eroded as well. these are core institutions that in a democracy must have the people's trust. when you see things like this that have political overtones, it is very frustrating for people. i can tell you in miami talking about safety and security, we want to make sure that all our citizens know that they will be able to express their first

amendment rights and at the same time, we will keep them safe and make sure that there is no disorder. >> you and i are both attorneys. i assume you have read the indictment or heard the details of it. while there is a lot being pointed at the justice department, reading those allegations, knowing the statutory law in the grand jury that came up with this, do you think that there is some narrative to proceeding with the case. the president is presumed innocent and will have his day in court. >> definitely should be presumed innocent. the part of this is did it have to get to this point? this is unprecedented. someone running for president in the united states and is being prosecuted on multiple fronts. there may be more prosecutions coming, you know, coming down. this just feels un-american, feels wrong on some level. i think people are very frustrated that they do not see the equal application of justice. they don't see the same intensity of investigations and

prosecutions on the other side of the aisle. i think that that is where a lot of the frustration lies. >> you have said you did not vote for president trump in 2016 or 2020. you say now if you were on the ballot today you would vote for him for president, but in the meantime we have had january 6, the fights over the legitimacy of the 2020 election and now these two indictments. tell me why now you would be i guess i'll president trump and nancy are critics who say that may be political in nature that you may be hoping to join the ticket. >> i am considering myself running for president of the united states. if i would decide to run i would be voting for myself. i want to clarify that. the poor get poorer. in america where in america gets weaker. in america where the possibility where china be the lone superpower is something that frightens me to know into. i am a father of two. i have a nine and 5-year-old.

that is not the kind of america i want them to grow up in. what has changed and happened as we have gotten a taste of what a dysfunctional government can do to destroy our country in a short period of time and if you take that out into the future, it is incredibly scary. that is what motivates me. shannon: you mentioned china and i want to talk about something that popped in the news this week. the wall street journal broke the story. china has entered into an agreement in principle to pay billions of dollars to cuba to put an eavesdropping station there. the wall street journal said that it would be 100 miles from florida. chinese intelligent officials to scoop up communication throughout the southeastern u.s. where many military bases are located and monitor u.s. ship traffic. the white house and pentagon said some of these details were inaccurate. they have since said a senior administration official, we had awareness of some of these things, we inherited this, some of this was already happening before the biden administration

got here. be it as it may, that is a reporting now. reports that the secretary may be headed to china. if he does, when he does, what the message should be in your estimation. what should it be to the chinese about these operations in cuba? >> this was completely foreseeable. i said on july 11 when you sell the spontaneous protests in cuba that the united states had to act decisively. another biden failure in another consequence of no coherent policy in our hemisphere to deal with the rise of socialism and now cuba that went from an ideological threat is becoming a national security threat. again, when there is an action, there are consequences. their message would be under a swore his presidency, this would not happen and cannot happen. we cannot convert countries in our hemisphere from ideological threats into national security threats. that is going in the wrong

direction and that is making our country and citizens less safe. shannon: as you talk about a presidential run and we know you have a event at the reagan library, there will maybe be an announcement there, we will be standing by. in the meantime, more national scrutiny on that. your work as a real estate while serving as mayor. reporting on a $70 million project that. to be stalled until a call from an aid in the mayor's office to the zoning director there in miami but then it moved along. local officials were looking into it. the fbi and sec have now open investigations. they seem to be focused on the developer here who is a client of yours. they question a witness this week whether the payments constitute bribes in exchange for securing permits or other favors from the mayor for location ventures your client misused in coconut grove.

we paid $100,000 from that client since 2021. what do you say to those that say there is an appearance of conflict of interest between your public and private work? >> i've been in a public official setting for 13 years. most people do not know that 31 out of 34 mayors in our county are working mirrors. what i would say is that i have had an unblemished 13 years in public service without any allegations of any improprieties. now all of a sudden my local newspaper which is a liberal organization and everyone would admit that that is the case is all of a sudden did assign three reporters and is coming up with all of these allegations in advance of what appears to be a major announcement next week. in some ways it is a blessing. you said it correctly. if you do decide to run for the presidency of the united states, it is the most scrutinized

endeavor and any person's life. you have to expect attacks. you have to expect the press to look through your life and criticize you. listen, i have no problem being criticized. that is part of the business. that is part of the job. when the press selects facts and start shopping things around to investigatory agencies, that is when you have to draw the line. that is why so few people have trust in the press today. it is really unfortunate. >> you were being paid by this developer and then this aid of yours made a call. there was an e-mail afterwards from the client saying please thank the mayor for his assistance and help with this. after that change a call to the zoning director which ultimately the project got moving after that.

>> look, i don't know the details because i was not involved in that chain of e-mails. what i can tell you is it is very common for people to want to thank the mayor when at the end of the process they feel the process is moving or is successful. we have a director that appears to have handled it in a way that hundreds if not thousands of cases have come to our office in the regular course. from what i know which is very little it was not a controversial decision and no one has complained about it. something that the miami herald is complaining about. and incredibly liberal institution, liberal columnists liberal editorial board. it is not surprised that after 13 years of an unblemished record a few weeks before a big announcement all of a sudden, you know, throwing a bunch of things at the wall to see what sticks. it is an unfortunate part of the business. why good people decide often times not to serve. as a society, we have got to find a way to reinstitute trust in our institutions like the press and of course a justice system. shannon: we will follow the local and federal investigations there. you have referenced a big announcement. any clues you want to give us? >> well, my announcement is to stay tuned. next week i will be giving a big

speech in the reagan library. i think it is one that america should tune into. we talk about what the future of our country should be. a future that creates prosperity not poverty. a future that promotes a freedom and liberty not cancel culture like we have seen. we have had our forefathers fight and die for our freedom. we are seeing it eroded every single day. a future that confronts our enemies on all fronts and does not project weakness and incompetence like we are doing now. most importantly, a future where we are not scared to compete. we are in incredibly disruptive moment in our history. we need to step up as a country and understand where it is going so that we can position ourselves. i have traveled across the country have been to iowa, new hampshire, south carolina could, nevada and when i take it to people they want to hear more. if i decide to run next week hopefully i will make the debate

stage on august 23 and continue to be part of this stage. we need to have not just a chance to win in 2024, but a chance to win for generations into the future. >> we will be watching. our time is up. congrats on that front. great to see you. >> anytime you want. any time you want. shannon: the sunday group on the growing board of house republicans and democrats over an fbi memo containing serious allegations about president biden's time as vice president.

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>> reacting to details of the trump indictment. politico reporter and juan williams, town hall political editor and host of getting hammered mary catherine. welcome, everybody. welcome. an interesting morning. here is a thing we have to think about. how this man impacts a 24 field in the race. the ap says this. the new indictment throws trump back into this and denying his rival space to break through to voters just as formally have launched their campaign. this is where they are at. they are all being forced to rush to his defense, to. >> there are two things going on. the original sin of the legal fights of trump. the fabrication of russia gate from ironically through the

hillary campaign. people on the right understandably gop voters are weary of anything coming out of here. then there is a hillary clinton which they find to be not proportionate. i think that that is a fair assessment. i do think that there is something going on where people are out to get him. in the end, though, these guys have to make the case, why is trump helping them so much? in this indictment, he seems out to get himself. you do not have to trust the feds, you can trust his own words in this indictment and that will be the problem. they will have to prosecute that case eventually. >> the grand jury is one sided. he now gets to go and make his case. he starts out by at least a public part of this to big fiery speeches yesterday where he said he will never back down, he will keep fighting this. what about this idea that now all the other contenders have to

talk about it and they are also talking about whether they would pardon him. coming out quickly and saying i will pardon him if i become president. they will have to answer that question. >> it's hard to stay on message yourself and this is swirling all over the place and a lot of the republican base is caught up in it and very interested in what is happening. when it comes to the substance of this i was struck in the opening segment today of the huge gap in terms of the quality of arguments being presented by trump's attorney versus his own former attorney general. i mean, when we look back at the new york city indictment, andy mccarthy former federal prosecutor very conservative, then jonathan turley he was a guest on the show today and then bill barr, all of them said this is political, this is a witch hunt, this is an incredibly weak case. they are three-three. calling it damning, devastating extremely serious. serious as a heart attack.

that matters. the substance of this matters. i will not contort myself to try to defend any of it. as andy mccarthy said half of it is true, trump is a very serious trouble. that is on the substance. that is on the merits. the hillary clinton comparison i think is apt and is something that will be cited by a lot of conservatives and other americans concerned about a two-tiered system of justice where democratic doj on one side said we will not prosecutor and a new democratic doj will say very similar case in a lot of ways. we will prosecute him. that is a live issue in my mind. >> bringing up the issue of the hunter biden investigations that we assume are still proceeding as far as we know. the u.s. attorney in delaware. the timing of this provides for the perfect position of the federal government's handling of two different cases in the media's coverage of both stories. that is going to be as guy talked about over and over again.

people pointing to hillary clinton in other cases. a lot more leeway, a lot more. >> i think this is like a poker game. people bring up hillary clinton. they bring up hunter biden. they do not say, here, i have a good defense for this indictment against the former president. even in terms of the drama that has been playing out on capitol hill this week, the potential hearing against the fbi director christopher rae, the document that they are looking at, this secret document that was demanded does not indicate that there was a bribery payment to the president. it indicates that there was a secondhand allegation that was reviewed and as we heard this morning from bill bar you asked about it and they were not authorized for that investigation. this is a determination made

under the trump white house. >> sent over to an already open investigation in delaware. >> investigation of hunter biden in delaware going on right now. we do not know. this is an effort to distract from what we know it is on the record in terms of the indictment of president trump. the reality is that with president trump's base, two indictments now, finding a liability sexual assault twice impeached, they are locked into his personality and they are seeing him as a victim for some reason, a victim. they identify with the idea that the justice department's weapon eyes. the elites, the big government are attacking us. that is what this represents. if any of his opponents think while i'm waiting for them to drop out. shannon: no way. he made that clear in his speeches yesterday. i think they love that fighter attitude and they love that is where you will go and that is where he will stay. to the point of this at -- fbi

document, this is what he said after seeing it. >> this is a critical point. they're reporting to this point has always been that joe biden denies any knowledge of what hunter and his brother jim have been doing. according to the document we have that is a lie. joe biden absolutely knows and has been engaged in this throughout the entirety of this corruption scheme that has been going on. >> knowing about it are benefiting from it are very different things. the allegation is that there were payments. allegations from one source. also told by somebody that's all the document that it does not include payments to joe biden. not a direct investment to the president. >> it does mention hunter biden and payments and sort of conversations about how these things will be hitting through different shell companies and there are references that you are seeing members coming out and talking about that they are

trying to suggest leads back to the president. i covered the rush investigation of one of the big things i learned was when people are coming out you will see both parties messaging in a way where a classified document owns up helping our political objectives. i am also just a little bit wary sometimes when you see people coming out and talking about what they saw. more scrutinizing than what they are coming out and saying. >> i appreciate this lesson. the lesson was not learned in real time during rush a gate. the fairness matters. it really does. it matters and how they perceive the doj. how those things were dealt with and how it matters to how they approach his case with trump. shannon: thank you very much. we will see you next sunday. we will be right back. is

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