>> harris: former president donald trump is now aboard his plane, about to depart to miami, florida, where he's scheduled to appear in federal court tomorrow afternoon, 3 p.m. eastern, to be exact. when he arrives in the courtroom, he'll be in a place no other former president has stood before. facing federal counts, 37 of them, relating to mishandling of classified documents. trump denied any wrongdoing and

mocked it over the weekend. americans are revealing their thoughts on the indictment against trump with a new abc poll finding nearly half of americans, 48%, agree with the department of justice charges. 35% disagree with the case against trump. however, that same poll found that nearly half of americans believe the charges against trump are politically motivated. guess it depends which team you are on if you like the charges or not. hello, everybody, you're watching "outnumbered," i'm harris faulkner here with my co-host kayleigh mcenany, here with lisa boothe, host of kennedy saves the world podcast, saving us all, kennedy herself and jason chaffetz, author of

"the puppeteers." jason, your thoughts? >> jason: begs the question, why didn't the president give the documents back? i'm telling you comparison to hillary clinton and joe biden, i was chairman of the oversight committee, i issued subpoenas and preservation letters and hillary clinton bypassed federal record act on the same day she started her senate confirmation hearing. untold number of people without security clearance had access to the documents, some so classified, i as chairman could not go back and read them because they were that sensitive. >> harris: some papers biden were accused of or they took, they haven't done all cherrypicking, you have to go through 1850 boxes at delaware university they pulled. some documents, he took when he

was a u.s. senator, that's against the law. >> jason: absolutely against thellow, you are not allowed to take one document, joe biden took uncounted documents. why didn't they go in guns ablazing. >> harris: don't we know? i think we do. kennedy. kennedy there are differences here between hillary clinton. anyone seeking presidency, if they mishandle documents, they should be prosecuted, should be equal of the law. you are right. the differentiation are the conspiracy and obstruction charges and those are the one that have 20 years each and why peez facing so much time, not just having the documents.

what struck me was specificity in the indictment and i wonder if that was to contrast with the bragg indictment we saw in new york city, which was so incredibly vague and this one on the other hand laid out in such great detail. >> harris: or skill, one has has more skill doing that. vivek ramaswamy, who is running for president and for gop nomination this weekend took the media to task over coverage of the former president's indictment. let's watch. >> with due respect, it is shameful i as a competitor in this race have to ask questions the media is not asking. the media is to hold the u.s. government accountable and we are doing the bidding of u.s. government. ask the question, get to bottom of what biden told garland, if the same shoe fits the other foot, do not take their word

now, get to the bottom and restore journalism in this country, that is missing is getting to the truth. >> thank you. >> harris: what vivek ramaswamy is showing, this is now a gop primary issue and it may come down to money, who can raise the most, as far as he's concerned, he's ready to pardon the president on his first day in office should he get elected. >> kayleigh: why aren't journalists asking what the attorney general knows? it is the key question. here is why. we got rid of independent council stat uts, independent, a special counsel is not. i talked to a former doj official who said special counsel report to the attorney general, you can go back and look at code of federal regulation that say significant moments are reported to the attorney general. we're at a most, our country is divided and this will divide it further, we need to hear from

attorney general merrick garland. he need to hear from chris wray, if we don't after this indictment happens, i will have serious questions as to why, particularly when you point out polling, it shows cbs, republicans 61% say the indictment won't change their view, 14% says it makes their view better. you asked half the country who views one way through political purview and we need to hear from the attorney general of the united states. what i'm picking up from what you are putting down, lisa, if you take infusion of support for trump and add to that, third of the base, what does that mean? how does that translate to politics? >> lisa: the biggest frustration for conservative is unequal application of the law, we have all seen and witnessed under the biden administration. probably helps in the primary, i feel it hurts him in the general

election and that is the concern. if you look at the abc poll, 38% of americans have a favorable opinion of donald trump. 31% have a favorable position on joe biden, so equal in that. we are living in time of bias in the media, time when fbi is interjecting itself and fighting an unfair fight heading into the 2024 election. my belief is that democrats want to make this entire election on one man, about donald trump. if that is what happens, we lose in the general election, then we're not focusing on issues that matter to the american people. making choice between two men versus issues driving the conversation. >> harris: how is that any different than his four years as president and he still got stuff done. this media took him on at every account, if not them, being impeached by democrats on the hill.

>> lisa: of course he faced uphill battle and worked against the odds, sadly a lot of what he's done has been reversed, it is changed next time you get another president in the mix. i worry, i want this election to be about more than two individual people. i want it to be about issues facing the american people. so many americans are suffering, whether the economy or looking at things happening along the southern border that is impacting all of america. when you make the election about one person, perhaps more people don't like him than like him, that harms us heading into the election. >> harris: interesting, it will help in the primary, does it grow the tent and let us drill down to things that matter. i want to get to you, jason, i want to put this out. democrats scoffing at the idea that trump could be elected if

found guilty and talking about impeaching trump if elected again. look, it's eric holder. >> the notion you could have a trial, defend it be convicted, win election and sworn in as president whenever it happens, that seems inconsistent with our notion of fairness of the rule of law. that point, i hope impeachment proceeding might be considered, considered and brought and ultimately he would be removed from office. the notion a convicted felon would serve as president of the united states is absurd. >> harris: it is founding principle, innocent until proven guilty. they are not getting that? >> jason: pretty rich in someone who believes in law, he was held

in contempt of law, eric holder, the law says shall be prosecuted for district of columbia and they decided they shall think about it and decided not to. that is an absurd notion. again, i think they're trying to win this case in the court of public opinion. it is not about the rule of law for them. that is why they released the photos the way they did, those were gra tuittous at best. look at photo of the spilled box making it look sloppy and zoom in on it, it is newspaper clippings and pictures of the picture. nothing classified. >> harris: former president pointed that out on truth social. >> jason: they released the oop before the indictment, they are fighting in the public's mind, they want to defeat him and can't on the merits, they want to fight him and make sure he does not become the next

president. >> harris: we have to go. >> lisa: helps in southern district of florida, jury of -- >> harris: that at least means there could be playing field that is more even with cannon in there. south florida is key here. >> lisa: i live there, yeah. >> harris: might be why democrats are thirsty to get a change of venue. >> jason: they will not have a trial before the election. >> harris: we'll see. okay. california governor gavin newsom sits down with sean hannity. nothing was off limits, we'll get into it next. hey all, so i just downloaded the experian app because i wanted to check my fico® score, but it does so much more. this thing shows you your fico® score, you can get your credit card recommendations, and it shows you ways to save money. do so much more than get your fico® score. download the experian app now.

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>> kayleigh: if you want to be president, take the hard questions head on. gavin newsom did that with sean hannity, leaving some to wonder about his 2024 ambitions, here is what he had to say on that. >> do you think he is cognitively strong enough to be president? >> i have conversations with him all the time, yes. i've been in marine one, been in the limo with him. >> you never answered directly, how many times does your phone ping because people agree with me he's not up to the job? >> i see where you are going with that, sean. >> i'm asking, >> i'm not answering. >> mr. newsom saying, i swear the president is great and up to the task, fox poll 53%s he doesn't wear about people like me, 57% do not think he is

trustworthy. 60% say he doesn't have mental soundness to serve. my dad would simply say joe biden is a lost ball in tall grass, seem like majority agree. >> i think your dad is spot on and poll over poll bears this out, harvard, abc news, "washington post," all the same thing and he's now seen as being mor morally questioned. now they are like, no, his family is a bunch of grifters and i don't trust him and he's abusing power of his office. i have respect for the california governor, he did sit down for edited interview with sean hannity. you know a golden rule, never do something edited, you never know how you will come out.

sean hannity will give him a fair edit. vice president harris never sit down with sean, neither should the president. i think you will see a threshold, so if r.f.k. jr. gets above 20%, gavin newsom will come in and have majority of his party support if he does do that. >> kayleigh: is that what is going on? you interview with sean hannity, he is taking shots at ron desantis, why is he doing this if not for higher political conditions? >> jason: my guess is joe biden will not be the democrats nominee. they want to show they have chops to take on conservatives. sean hannity will be a fair interview, but a tough interview. he does it now to show like kennedy says, he has wherewithal to take the fight to republicans and stand in there. i think he's in the mix in terms

of where do they go next. i think susan rice is in the mix, kamala harris and joe biden issue not so much. >> kayleigh: he praised trump and said he was a fair wheeler and dealer during covid and didn't pull punches, interesting to watch that. >> harris: yeah, okay. california wasn't open. i don't know, that is politics to me, saying that. i will say this, with gavin newsom. how does he get past kamala harris? i'm curious, how do you get past her? been compartmentalized, race card, women card politics, i guess that is why he floated reperations, he had to float back, that is not going to work out. i cannot wait to see this interview, if asked about kamala harris, he has to get through the primary and i agree, i'm hearing more and more, joe biden may not, what will they do about

classified documents? you said you want to hear from whom, christopher wray, the attorney general and that is because the bidens need to be look at, too. >> kayleigh: exactly right, sean asked gavin newsom about hypocrisy of biden flying illegal immigrants around the country, interesting answer. >> joe biden just wanted to help people. >> will you apply same standard to joe biden? >> coordinating them. coordinating them. >> excuse me, you know what, they are landing 3:30 in the morning, not at laguardia or kennedy, westchester, they are sneaking them in. >> not perfect, but coordicoordinating different level of engagement. there is humility. >> isn't joe biden dumping people in florida? >> he doesn't dump people, that

is what desantis is doing. >> what is the difference in what they are doing? >> representation, spirit. >> lisa: rules for thee, not for me, same thing we saw when he was dining at french laundry when he locked down his citizens and he continued to do so. i don't worry about gavin newsom to be perfectly honest. his state had seen decline for the first time in the state's history, you had 500,000 people fled california. he is second california governor to face recall in the state's history, i don't worry that much. i think the french laundry scandal underlies who he is, he's a jerk. does anyone say, i align with this guy?

no issue he's a coastal elite. i do not worry if he were the democratic nominee in 2024 or 2028. >> kayleigh: he only became the wonder boy after cuomo lost his seat. catch sean hannity's interview with gavin newsom tonight here at 9 p.m. eastern. don't miss it. why the biden administration is being accused of disrespecting the american flag and violating a u.s. code over pride display. the elevator can be tough for young homeowners turning into their parents. "maximum weight -- 1,200 pounds." good thing i got on before lunch. [ chuckles ] progressive can't save you from becoming your parents, but we can save you money when you bundle home and auto with us.

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>> kayleigh: the white house is facing backlash after it alleged ledisrespected the american flag for pride month. the display features rainbow progressive pride flag hanging over the south lawn with two american flags flanking it on each side, not in the center. critics were quick to recognize arrangement as violation to the nation's flag code. one section reads the flag of the united states of america should be at the center and highest point of the group when a number of flags of states or pennants of society are gruned. new polls reveal america's views on changing one's view on transgender athletes are trending in the more trad

traditional. the president is saying we do not own our own children, we are not in charge as parents, take a walk down memory lane. >> when you see our kids and i truly believe that they are our children, they are the children of our country. >> these are kids, our kids, they belong to all of us. >> you have heard me say about our children, it is true, they are all our children. not somebody else's children, they are yours in the classroom. no such thing as someone else's child, no such thing as someone else's child. our nation's children are all our children. >> these are our kids, our neighbors, all our kids. >> harris: begs why as to why now we want to sexualize young children to bring them into the conversation about lgbtq+. i don't have a scientific reason for that. i don't believe the left does

either. we're talking puberty blockers, surgical mutilation of minors based on their feelings at very young ages and i've talked with doctors, including marc siegel at fox news that say we don't have post science to tell us how that will change human beings psychotropically and physically temperature tends to castrate young boys when you use puberty blockers issue the surgeries can be irreversible, especially for women who are trans men. there is a lot we don't know, why inject people in society that have no vote on this because they are minors and why tell us as parents, the people in charge of little ones that our voice counts les than the federal government? >> kayleigh: great question, this is backfiring on the left,

i brought receipts issue siting this kff poll that show people agreeing with republicans, i have more receiptings to pull up. recent poll public religion institute found two-thirds of american think there are only two genders. gallup say 69% say if you join a sportses team, it should match your biological gender, that is up. democrats are stepping in on this, no doubt. >> jason: for all the progress the lgbtq+ community has made, they are taking 15 steps back by trying to target kids and religion, do things radical in terms of mutilation of children. if this is where they stand, they'll have a rude awakening when it comes time and people go to the polls.

what was done at the white house is offensive, it is united states of america. i would hope all more thanes, no matter your political perswaysion issue the red, white and blue and stars and stripes stand for something, they are front and center and just as the statute says, there is no ambiguity, folks, you can't put up a political flag, that is what it is. the flag of the united states of america, that is our nation's flag. >> kayleigh: amen to that. lisa, decade high is the number of people saying they are socially conservative at 38%. 29% say socially liberal, backfiring in a massive way. >> lisa: i have gone further to the right, i don't know, we're living in crazy town, it is insane, country with no moral compas anymore.

if you look at the trans issue, anyone encouraging children to mutilate their body in the name of transgenderism is evil. i interviewed chloe, who was 12 years old, she thought this was the way, puberty blockers by 13 and regretted it a year later. she had a double masectome, it is not reversible, if you are pushing this and patient of it, you are part of the problem, it is evil and wrong. target, for 2023 pride collection, partnered with a satanist. what does that tell you about where we are as society? it is disgusting and wrong. >> masectomy from kids was never a rallying cry. >> we have to be careful to separate issues so it doesn't become a blanket anti-gay, anti-pride thing, there are a

lot of people who live in the shadows and could not have relationships out in the open. they were ashamed and ostracized from their family and we have to be careful talking about these things and i agree, i think there should be open category for trans athletes to compete in the name of fairness and in the name of what our grandmother and mothers fought for women to have seat at the table in athletics and everything else. >> harris: voting and suffrage, i've had a heart for the lgbtq community be used politically. we had gotten to a point where the pride flag was embraced and we watch the parades, fifth avenue is behind me. i wonder if this doesn't pit americans against them again and take us backward and as person

of diverse background, you don't want to go backward, go forward. what is this conversation we're having and where is their part in it? >> if you talk to gay conservatives, they don't align themselves with this lgbtq point of view. what is presented with pride month is not what they believe in, this is pushing a political agenda and a lot of gay voters and people are saying they do not agree. we should not be encouraging young children to mutilate their body. >> harris: or fake nuns to do poll dancing on replica of the cross. >> kayleigh: pride thing has been going on for years and years and years, we recognize

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>> harris: the u.s. supreme court could decide a case with major implication for the future of affirmative action, weighing whether colleges and universities should consider race when deciding who gets in and who does not get into their admission program? group of asian americanun stereos brought the case claiming unfair treatment because of their race. laura ingram has this new fox special. >> i got an 800 out of 800 on

math, and 79 out of 800 on reading. my gpa was 4.65, second highest gpa in my graduating class, i applied to mit, cal tech, carnegie melon and uc berkeley. >> he was rejected by all of them, he says he was warned. >> just talking with my friends and guidance counselors they said it is tougher to get in as an asian american. >> john wayne divulged his identity even though it may cause him problems. >> there is risk of backlash on social media. he is happy at georgia tech, has no regrets about placing himself in the middle of one of the most

c contentious debates, he says it is the right thing to do. >> i just think it was an opportunity to fight for what is like and fight for asian americans that are younger than me. >> harris: kayleigh, why does this play in the 2024 election? >> kayleigh: this is basic fairness and john roberts, who saved obamacare is a hawk on this. he has written some of the best court case opinions on affirmative action. i think this gets rolled back and makes live issue, policy issue. >> harris: talk about discrimination those in the asian community are feeling. >> this guy is a rock star, had 1590, and i was looking higher than averages at mit or harvard. this guy was told by counselors and teachers, you will have a

harder time because you are asian americans. he had the model run and they said you have 20% chance getting accepted as asian american. >> harris: discrimination is ability to do well on test. last night i said to leo terrell, this feels like some sort of weird discrimination against people of color, saying, if you're black, you need help at all times, you cannot succeed unless we dumb it down for you to succeed, that is also insulting. >> kayleigh: if you're bright, you're bright. >> kennedy: if you can ace the sat, have the red carpet rolled out wherever you are, last bastion of acceptable racism and the system has to be dismantled.

two cases against public universities unc, and the other against harvard. asian americans suffer, asian women suffer the most. they are targeted each more and excluded from college and universities. >> harris: quick follow-up, kennedy, i thought the role in america, you have a dream. you don't have to come from millions of dollars, you can apply yourself, study hard and go to ivy league and rise and go be a doctor. i thought that was what it was about. >> kennedy: my dream is to have a surgeon who got a 1590 on his sat and has a beautiful brain translateed into profession that could save my life. >> harris: boom. >> lisa: that dream is dead, it is about equity in america. the fact this is a group of

asians that are suing and taking this to supreme court gives it higher likelihood than if it were a group of white students and we are not in a racially driven america and unfortunately we need to get back to merit-based society. >> harris: why are we tolerating that? because the president of the united stateses if you don't vote for him, you are not black? is that the reason we're focused on race? he needs black votes? sincerely. >> jason: in short, yes, democratic party is one of division, try to divide us. most articulate is tim scott, he talks a lot about this. as endee said, it should be based on merit. my goal, i could tab the sat and get combined score to achieve

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af affair this year. >> kayleigh: moms for liberty labeled a hate group, that far left organization put them and other parental rights groups in the same -- if you're an american parent, you should be paying attention, splc map could lead to government crackdown on you. your ability to question school officials, testify at school board meetings or be involved in curriculum your child is fought. we will keep fighting and we will win, no one fights harder than parents fighting for their children. lisa, whether dod saying look at parents, the athlicks memo that was rescinded and now meeting with members of the splc, wow.

>> lisa: moms for liberty is an awesome group. we're in a fight for the future. if you control the mind of the youth, you control the future. that is what the fight is about. you saw the quote from joe biden, they want to control your kids. or mcauliffe who said he doesn't think parents should be involved in their children's education. whether labeling inner pas domestic terrorists because they want to control the future through the minds of our youth. >> kayleigh: southern poverty law center, cited splc as hate groups in that memo, traditional catholic memo. they seem to be a key player and we know they are far leftist. >> jason: they hate religion and hate that moms and dads are

concerned about their children or might ask questions. the reason they are going after moms for liberty, they are over the target and highlighting problems in this country and these moms, politically, you get moms fired up about kids, look out. this organization will continue to grow. not about hate, about love for kids. >> harris: some groups on this list, you talked with tiffany, one of the co-founders, i had her on last week in prime time. she said it is because of the circular of who they think they are associated with. i said, start there, are you actually cajoling with hate groups? that is what southern poverty law center has accused moms of liberty doing. she said absolutely not, anybody who expresses hate is not in the group.

they have 100,000 members, that is a problem, that is a lot of mama bears and i'm sure they bring papa bears to the meetings with them, it can get politically sticky. you can't guess how they vote, these issues unite everybody, this is a problem for democrats. >> kennedy: remember when rochelle walensky said she was taking guidance from randi weingarten because teammaters union was a stake holder, parent are the ultimate stakeholder in their children's education, they deserve a massive seat at the table, they demand it. thank you for poking mama bear, we appreciate it. >> kayleigh: hear her roar, no doubt. more "outnumbered" in just a moment.

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wear snowboard boots on a plane if it meant i could check fewer bags. >> and i would expect the woke folk to stand up and defend us if we look like we have stuff that made us look a little round. i would expect to get some love. >> no shame in the game here. >> if my cargo pants stuffed make me look 300 pants, i better get some love. >> as a guy who puts his butt on airplanes every week, don't encourage people to do this, they sit by me, and i don't want to sit by somebody who has their carry-on luggage on their body. >> brilliant, i'm heading to bass pro, not really, pass -- pacifiers. >> everybody is getting hosed in

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