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charges of which he and numerous other presidents would be guilty. right in the middle of a presidential election in which he is losing very badly. no other president, even those who kept far more documents than i, has ever been even investigated, let alone charged with a crime. it's joe biden and his corrupt department of injustice who think they are above the law. never before have the two standards of justice in our country been more starkly revealed. >> laura: and that same type of cheering you just heard at the club was also heard organically hours earlier where hundreds of supporters showed up outside the miami courtroom where president trump was arraigned. now, after that, dozens more went to a cuban restaurant in the city where they sang happy birthday to former president trump and took selfie after selfie with him. now, one thing is clear here,

despite all the naysayers, his support is still very strong and perhaps unprecedented among modern political figures. but instead of asking why that might be our sneering and vindictive press corps, they're just out for blood. >> donald trump could face many years in prison if convicted. >> i think the sentencing guidelines dictate serious sentences here. quick calculation of them, they are in the neighborhood of more than ten years. >> i think he, you know, he is in line for a jail term. >> it comes out to 8-12 years depending on some of the wrinkles. >> laura: but the truth is, what they're doing is alienating tens of millions of americans who now think the government plays politics with criminal prosecutions. and that the entire federal system is working and plotting against ordinary, hard-working families and the values they hold dear. so the momentary excitement that official washington is feeling right now, well, it's going to

give way. and a few important data points, what everyone should focus on tonight. according to a royeders insos poll 81 piers of republicans believe the trump document is political bias. 81%. remember back if 2020, biden was promising all of us he was going to get the country back to normal. it was going to be all that dignity everywhere. but is how the bidens and clinton's actions were treated versus how donald trump as were treated, is that normal? is that dignified? this petty revenge play we're seeing play out, is that helping biden's popularity bringing the country together? no, no, no, and no. the biden doj has made a tremendous mistake here. they've made our country into a laughing stock around the world, and they did more to hurt americans' trust in their government than decades of soviet and chinese propaganda. so no one, no one, thinks trump

has any nefarious motives by holding these documents. he shouldn't have kept them but no way there was any intent to be a threat to national security. that is absurd. so the doj might, might be able to meddle in another election courtesy of federal investigations. but soon enough, there will be a critical mass of americans who simply say, i will not comply. and then what are they going to do? put them all in jail? but the truth does occasionally seep out, doesn't it? nothing is guarantied once the ball rolls at trial, and certainly not in a high profile criminal case. >> jury selection's going to be criminal and you need someone that knows how to select a miami jury. you win the trial almost more important than the evidence or the judge is how you select the jury. there's a called jury nullification if you can plant in one jury despite the evidence or the elements of the crime or

what the judge tells but in the instructions a juror is able to follow their own inclination whether this is a just prosecution now. >> it takes one juror. joining me now david former trump impeachment employer and seoul former assistant u.s. attorney as well as mike davis founder and president of the article three project. saul, let's start with you. what about the last point? lay out the process if you would for jury selection in this type of case, how long could it take, how critical is it? >> well, when you say this type of case, there really is no case just like this, a former president indicted and going to trial. unfortunately, in most federal criminal tries, unlike in state trials, very limited, what we call voir dire in some parts of the country and voir dire in texas, where you get to question the jury before you select them, there is very limited voir dire

by the attorney. it's almost all done by the judges in the federal judicial system. my question is that that will be loosened up a bit in this particular case. but also i would like to say that, i think it's a little pessimistic to have to say we're going to rely on one juror to engage in jury nullification because i think the president has some real defensible issues here. this is a winnable case. i'm not saying he would definitely win it or it's a slam dunk for him but there are some real issues here and i don't think he's going to have to rely on jury nullification necessarily. >> laura: i'm going to get back to that in a moment but david, i want to play a mope from obama's sg earlier today. >> he's not president anymore. he doesn't get to, when you leave the presidency, take home documents as a souvenir. this is the people's information, that's why we have such a robust set of criminal rules to protect the mishandling of it. trump just spit on all of that

according to this indictment. nothing i've heard, you know, tells me that he has a viable defense. >> laura: david, again, it's just declared, no defense at all. pick up where saul just left off. >> well, addressing when the solicitor general said, apparently, it's really outrages for a justice department official to say something like that and try to color things in that regard. they have an obligation to the system and the integrity of the system to not put out that kind of statement. listen, you know, the president is unique. a former president is unique. congressional research service put out a piece in february talking about the protocols that former presidents regularly get intelligence briefings. so the former president, like a president, has that knowledge in his mind. what if president trump had just talked about what was in the documents? is that covered by the charges in this case? this case is about documents. but there are all kinds of defensess in this case starting

with, you know, the presentation of evidence they had to the grand jury with the evan corcoran notes, you have cipa issues here, they're going to have to be played out, and you have mainly the mensrea where he knowingly did something the law probed, all of the evidence we've seen so far indicates exactly the opposite, he believed he was entitleded to do what he did. >> laura: now, mike, as a former practicing attorney myself for white collar criminal defense, if i were advising a client, a regular client, i'd say like don't try to litigate this in the press, that's usually a loser. but this is a different situation. but is there still a danger for president trump to speak out publicly about the case as he did tonight, given how we know they try to use everything against him and they can use anything he says publicly against him at trial? >> well, we all know that no

lawyer is going to muzzle president trump and, frankly, they shouldn't. this is a political indictment against him. they are ignoring the presidential records act at the biden justice department. they are ignoring the 2012 clinton sock drawer case. they are ignoring the 2019 office of legal counsel legal opinion that you generally can't obstruct investigations into non-crimes. they know that president trump had the right to these records under the presidential records act. they know that the theal records act does not of a criminal component and for them to charge espionage for trump just simply retaining, not even using, not even harming our nation's national security, simply having his presidential records, which he's allowed to have under the presidential records act, is not going to stand as a matter of law. >> laura: saul, i want to get back to your point earlier that you believe there are deficiencies in the very least in this indictment. what is the number one

vulnerability, you think, the prosecution has with this charging document? >> i think that the number one vulnerability has to do with the information that are apparently came from the former lawyers. because i think there's an assumption that these are going to be the witnesses who are going to be friendly to the government and hostile to the president. and in my experience, remember, these are lawyers, the government came in and they broke the attorney/client privilege, they convincedd the judge in washington that the crime fraud exception to that privilege applied and that's why they were able to question these former lawyers that are referencedd in the indictment. so these lawyers aren't going to necessarily get on the stand and give the same interpretation to president trump's statements that the prosecution apparently wants us to believe. so i think that's a

vulnerability. i think their strongest counts are the obstruction counts. >> laura: and, david, another media constant during this past few days has been the attacks on judge aileen cannon presiding over this case, federal district court judge. this continued today. watch this. >> the judge does not have great experience. most judges there, and certainly judge cannon, does not have experience, she's proved that certainly with her decisions, her earlier rulings after the search. she doesn't have experience -- >> the case is going to be -- >> doesn't have experience with classified documents and arguably doesn't understand the different levels of security. >> laura: david, i'm not sure if andrea mitchell's actually heard any of the oral arguments at the supreme court, but ketanji brown jackson was on the court of appeals for what, six months? i don't recall the media being all worried about her experience to be a supreme court justice. but now this district court

judge can't handle it? i mean, come on. >> it's extraordinary and it's offensive. this is a judge picked by random selection. she's an american success story, daughter of a cuban refugee worked her way up in miami, stellar academic credentials clerked for a great judge worked for a big firmen a career prosecutor, a law and order judge. very bright person, very well respected. they point to all of these scraps of, you know, she entered an opinion earlier in this case that was reversed. every great judge in this country has been reversed. >> laura: big deal. >> yeah. plus we know you don't use judge's decisions for recrews al purposes. all of these lawyers then challenge the judge in new york who wasn't picked randomly, hand picked for the original trump organization case, the bannon prosecution and now this trump case, that judge is perfectly no fine with them and no lawyer should suggest otherwise even though the federal court said the hand picking in new york

county is subject to a question as to whether it gives the appearance of partialiality. >> laura: do you think mr. noda another defendant in the case, the order from the judge was he could not speak with him about the case, any witnesses including him obviously being charged along with him. how concerned are you about that, given the fact that obviously he still works with the president on a daily basis. >> well, i'm not concerned about this. look, i get this indictment lays out bad facts, and this is just an indictment. these are just allegations. remember, though, that there are serious legal deficiencies with this indictment that can be challenged as a matter of law. and at the tend of the day, think about what biden and his justice department are trying to do. they're trying to put in prison biden's political enemy. they want him to die in prison because they fear that he's actually going to win back the

white house in november of 2024 and that's what this is all about. >> laura: david, thank you, sol, mike all of you stay with us. new the media has been particularly egregious in how it's behaved as an ally, not as a check, on the trump prosecutors. liberals are usually all about 90 until proven guilty, right? about you with trump it's guilty until the jury says otherwise. now, for the nearly two years that robert mueller was hounding trump, journalists raised virtually no questions about his tenure or his mission. ditto for jack smith the special council in this documents case. he's the consummate professional. no focus on his wife who donateded to joe biden twice, no focus on to michelle obama, and who donated to campaigns and faced financial consequences back in 2009.

not interested. now analyzeing the tell prompting readers on the other networks, look, that's easy. if they're not devoting pro parboil time and resource toss covering biden's stumbles, they're just hacks who throw hisy fits. >> food for everyone. food for everyone. >> food for everyone. he says there: so this is the visual he wants. >> this case isn't going to be settled, legally, in a cafe it's going to be settled in a courtroom with the facts of law. >> the folks in the control room i don't need to see anymore of that. he's trying to turn it into a spectacle and a campaign ad. that's enough of that. >> trump has gone to really a famous place all republican candidates, actually probably democratic candidates go as well, that's the picture over your brilliant words, we don't need to see that anymore. >> laura: heaven forbid the networks show trump in his element with real people shaking

hands. >> tell the control room people not to show that. i'm going to see everything you see from the regime media over the next year, year and a half, is going to be geared toward one thing, convinceing the voters that donald trump is unfit for the presidency that republicans should choose a conventional republican in 2024, something more in the mitt romney mold. this means you can expect a lot of time devoted to elevating and featuring candidates who are nice people but have zero chance of wining the nomination certainly zero chance of beating joe biden. as long as they are the anti trump on the key issues, then those candidates will be spared temporarily, at least. >> if this indictment is true, if what it says is actually the case, president trump was incredibly reckless with our national security. >> this case is a serious case with serious allegations. >> laura: and there's going to be constant probing of

establishment gop senators like lisa murkowski. >> we cannot take this lightly. so to kill the messenger does not account for the gravity of the indictment that is out there. we have to take this seriously. >> laura: is that right, lisa? do we take seriously what's happening at our board? do you ever hear her talking about the border that way or how about the fact we're losing ground with china? ever spoken that way about that? energy prices climbing again? no. look, the press knows that honest coverage of our economy means actual coverage of biden's failures. but instead they're already looking forward to the next trump indictment. >> we also know from our reporting that there may be other indictments. >> in all likelihood, this is just the second of four indictments we will see donald trump facing. >> special council also looking into trump's role in into the

january 6th attack on the capitol and his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. >> laura: of course all the while the press puts on its best show acting really, really hard to pretend that they're not enjoying every minute of this. >> for the country and for history, i think it's a day we look back on in sorrow. no one wants to see a former president of the united states indicted in a federal court having to say not. >> this is not a day for celebration, it is a sad day. >> what an historic and historically sad day. >> i think it's sad for the country. >> laura: oh, please. these people haven't been happier since the windows were smashed at the capitol on january 6th. and they don't even feign interest in the block buster news from last night that numerous tape recordings reportedly exist documenting bribes were paid to joe and hunter biden by a burisma executive. now if this whistleblower has

the goods, then how is that not one of the biggest scandals of all time? >> so the president spoke to this i think he was shouted a question about this at the thursday press conference and i'm just going to quote him and say it's malarkey. >> laura: yet over the past 24 hours this is all we could find on the biden bomb shells from all the major networks [crickets chirping]. >> laura: oh, network news didn't even cover it and we couldn't find any mention of it on cable news outside of fox. nothing. what a disgrace. and these people raise questions about whether judge aileen cannon should recuse herself from a trump case based on a political bias? their wagging finger is always pointed right back at them. joining me now congressman jim comer chairman of the house oversight committee. congressman your reaction to everything that's swirling around tonight, what happened today at the courthouse in miami, and you heardd the crickets, they didn't cover anything about the tape

recordings. >> it's a sad day in the history of our country. if you look at what they're charging donald trump for and what we on the house oversight committee have already brought out on the biden family creating 20 shell companies to launder money through six american banks to nine biden family members from foreign nationals in china and romania and now we're just getting to the bank records on russia and ukraine, and yet the media won't cover anything about joe biden or the fact that he could potentially be compromised if, in fact, he has been recorded accepting a bribe from a foreign national. >> laura: we have china and ukraine, that's all. they're not big stories right now and both countries could very well be involved until this scheme could they not be? >> they could be. that's why we've been investing this from day one. we fear that this president is compromised and we have the facts to back that up, the facts that had is family has taken millions and millions of dollars

from foreign nationals in some inn some of the worst countries on our planet and we have no idea what the family did to earn that money. what thing of value was provided to those foreign nationals to compensate the bidens for receiving tens of millions of dollars. we don't believe the president's son or brother had the ability to produce anything of that magnitude in value. >> laura: yeah. >> we believe and we fear that this president did. >> laura: you don't trust their financial acumen to be bringing their own value to the table separate from joe biden's name. >> i've seen their background credentials it's really bad laura. >> laura: trump tonight said various things about the prosecution and the timing of this case. >> it's also no coincidence these charges against me came down the very same day evidence revealed joe biden took a $5 million bribe from ukraine. took a $5 million bribe. but the fbi and the justice department don't even want to

talk about it. >> laura: well, congressman, he's saying basically what we just said. but, i mean, it really is giving people a sense of two levels of justice. >> right. >> laura: and the scales are not equally weighted. >> no one believes this was a coincidence that on the same day the fbi produced a document that showed they've been sitting on allegations of a biden bribery for years, that donald trump just happened to be indicted by the special counsel. for mishandling of classified documents when joe biden, himself, mishandled classified documents on a much greater scale than what donald trump did. and we haven't heard a thing from that special counsel. >> laura: where are those tapes? >> well, according to the fbi informant, the oligarch told the informant that he kept those tapes as an insurance policy for giving the bidens a bribe in hopes that they would produce something of value in return for

the millions of dollars -- >> laura: well they did produce. >> well, we believe that firing the prosecutor in ukraine was part of the deal. we believe that foreign aid was part of the deal. if you go back and look where joe biden was during this time everything fits. look at what we produced in romania less than two weeks after he left, his family started the receiving wires from their shell companies from the romanian national while joe biden was vice-president. >> laura: none of this is impeachable i'm sure. you issued a subpoena to devon archer to appear for a deposition in this investigation into the biden family. will he show and what do you expect to learn? >> i'm cvad he will show, and devon archer's a key person in our investigation. he knew very well exactly what the bidens were doing in ukraine and russia especially. he knew whether or not joe biden was involved. and what we want to know from

devon archer is what exactly did the bidens do to receive the millions and millions of dollars from russia and ukraine that they received. >> laura: how did they get so rich. i'm going to show this every night for a year and a half. how did the bidens get so rich. nobody's asked this question. >> nobody. they talked about their businesses. >> laura: what businesses. >> no legitimate business i have found. >> laura: toilet paper art? he's still getting money for that lousy art of his for an unknown buyer. >> that's what he has to do now that he's given on the influenced pedaling, and we have no idea who's buying that. >> laura: congressman great to see you. hundreds of people gathered outside the miami courthouse today where trump pled not guilty. fox's griff jenkins spoke to a few for us to find out why they came out. >> i'm here to support mr. trump because he's not guilty. this is pure harassment. >> it's an injustice coming after him for no reason at all, just because he's running.

once he's out of the race, that's it, they win. he cannot drop out no matter what. >> this country is going downhill. if not for donald trump, this country's gone. >> this is all bull. since he went into the white house they started with him and they're afraid of him. >> do you think the other candidates should pledge to pardon trump if he's convicted. >> he shouldn't be convicted because the people have the power in the united states. >> he's getting a raw deal. he's probably the most investigated politician in the history of the united states and they've always come up with nothing. focus their energy on investing the biden family. and it seems like the biden family and the democrats can pretty much do whatever they want to and they don't get the same kind of media scrutiny. >> if president trump is reelected, should he pardon the biden family? >> hell no, he needs to go after them. this is corrupt, this is a corrupt administration. we've never seen such a corrupt

administration when we have people in the white house peddling influence for money and we have the laptop from hell and we have 33,000 e-mails that were deleted, acid washed by hillary clinton, and she's allowed to walk free. no one does anything about it. >> the biden crime family they need to be, if they're convicted they need to pay the price because they've been taking money and they've been bribed. it's pay for play and they have sold out america. >> if trump gets reelected should he parreden the biden family. >> absolutely not. there's two tears of justice is in this country right now and it's ridiculous. so trump 2024. let's go, baby. >> laura: thank you griff for giving us that. that was cool. now, while americans are not afraid to stand up and say what they really think about this indictment, many of the establishment gopers are just oddly silent. they think that by doing that and letting biden do whatever he wants with the executive branch,

that they're protecting the national security agencies. but they are not. they're simply allowing those agencies to become more and more discredited in the eyes of the public. every republican senator who wants to have a strong fbi should be furious with what the biden administration is doing because its actions are weakening a vital u.s. institution. and thus they're endangering the united states. one senator is giving it right back to the democrats, ohio's jd vance today threatened to block all of biden's judicial nominees until merrick garland stops using his agencies to harass joe biden's political opponents. senator vance joins me now. senator, any other of your colleagues going to join your effort? >> i think a few of my colleagues will. a few are already actively pushing back against joe biden's department of justice. here's the crazy thing here is we actually have some authority and we can use it to do something good for the american people. what so many senators i think are terrified of doing is using

the constitutional authority the american people have given us. the political appointees at the department of justice, the way to look at them is foot soldiers for turning the doj into political activism instead of actively doing the job of enforcing the law. why should we be giving joe biden more foot soldiers when he a is using them to attack his political opponents and conservatives across the country. it's insane. >> laura: cnn not surprisingly went after your announcement today watch this. >> supporters doubling down. we are not seeing just from donald trump republican senators undermining the justice department and rule of law. >> laura: so it's not the fact that they are a applying justice unequally, it's you by actually using your constitutionally authorized, you know, position to say, no, no, you have to give us information or we're not going to comply. >> that's exactly right i'm undermining the rule of law by

doing the job of a united states senator one actually accused me of obstructing justice myself. >> laura: you're the next in miami. >> of politically motivated employees here. this is sane here. it's the president's constitutional prerogative to declassify or classify whatever documents he wishes. the idea that joe biden and hillary clinton, before joe biden ever became president, get to mishandle classified information, face no consequences and joe biden gets away scott free and donald trump's going to be spot in prison for the rest of his life, that's what they're trying to do for declassifying documents as he has the constitutional authority to do is crazy and we cannottive to give the department of justice free reign. >> laura: funding. >> unlimited funding unlimited resources and unlimited personnel. we can as a u.s. senate effectively grind the us department complex and merrick

garland's office to a halt. why don't we do it. >> laura: do you think your colleagues and leadership who are more establishment types, do they understand that 81% of republicans think this indictment is politically motivated? are they aware of where the political winds have shifted in the gop or are they just going like it's 2004 all over again? >> i think they're aware of it laura but they're so caught up in the dc media environment they don't remember the implications of this. if we sort of step back and think of the trump presidency, every single alleged scandal there was this initial rush of news and then it turned out when you looked at the details it wasn't nearly as bad as the dc press corps would lead us to believe. they need to remember here that all of the sensationalism around this indictment we're going to learn the truth and i suspect the truth is not going to be nearly as bad as reported on cnn after the indictment. >> laura: what's happened to the public's interest in institutions is, i think, far more significant than a bunch of documents being kept slopry in a

bathroom. >> absolutely. >> laura: we now have, the american people, at least half the country, believing they can't trust the fbi, the justice department. how significant is that? and, again, to your republican colleagues realize what this indictment is going to do to that? >> it's hugely significant and this is the argument i make. obviously i've endorseed donald trump but i would mark this argument to those not supporting donald trump. this is really not who was president it's about the office of the presidency itself. do you use that office to harass your political opponents or do you use that office to enforce the law? what we're seeing here is such selective enforcement. you're absolutely right it's going to destroy in the people's faith in the law. you have democrats facing one set and republicans facing the harshest application of the law you're going to eliminate people's faith, the law is about what you do and the right way. >> laura: who's going to sign up

for that military. >> that's exactly right. where are you going to sign up for a military a applying justice unequally, why are you going to send your kids to law school, why are you going to pay your taxes? the entire foundation of this country is that, whether you're a democrat or a republican, we all face the same justice system. joe biden's department of justice is going to war against that principle. they're going to break the country unless we stop it. >> laura: jd vance great to see you as always thanks for coming in tonight. what is the biden white house saying about all this, kevin corke has a live in a moment. and we're going to examine it so stay there. they're promises. promises of all shapes and sizes. each, with a time and a place they've been promised to be. a promise is everything to old dominion, because it means everything to you.

>> laura: joe biden has no problem, no problem at all commenting on donald trump while joe has instructed his campaign to take a different tact. fox news national correspondent kevin corke is here with all the details. kevin. >> good evening, laura. they're saying they're not going to talk about it but frankly this is a bit of slight of hand. let me explain.

yes, it is true the president and his top aides have taken a vow of silence on the federal indictment of his predecessor, that is true. and, yes, the president even has explicitly ordered the dnc and his reelection campaign to do the very same. however, and this is really important for context. several left-leaning outside groups outside of biden's control but with a wink and a nod, have already commissioned ads about trump's legal woes. which democratic operatives believe helps to do the dirty work for the administration and that, if fact, is the point. so be sure to pay attention to what happens not just to what is said. although for good measure, it should be noted that the first lady jill biden didn't actually buy into the no talky talky ad mow anythings. she ventured public comment bemoaning republicans for standing by mr. trump in the face of the indictment. still, there are some democrats out there who worry that biden's decision could frankly cost him in this way, it costs him a chance, they argue, to

underscore the seriousness of the moment as well as perhaps deliver a political blow to his chief political rival. but those are those who say he's got his handful with enough trouble he may want to stay silent all together. laura. >> laura: thank you kevin. i'm glad you're not silent. joining me now is byron york and miranda devine new york post columnist both fox news contribute tours. byron, why do you suspect biden wants his surrogates to remain silent on this? >> well, joe biden would be the ultimate beneficiary. if donald trump goes down, joe biden is the ultimate beneficiary. as a matter -- i mean, the reason we're talking about this is because it's the first time in u.s. history that a sitting president, his administration, has prosecuted his main political rival. so of course they do. and also, the other thing is, anytime, especially in the

democratic party, anytime a principle wants to remain silent and let all his allies in the press and on criminal. >> laura: yes, they don't need him. >> and do the work for him it's easy to do. >> laura: miranda you pointed out awhile going, remember back in march the new york times had the piece out that said biden let it be known that he was annoyed with merrick garland on the january 6th investigation i guess acting more like a judge instead of like a prosecutor. and it was like, just made comments to his staff about that but it was in the new york times. so the idea that biden didn't let it be known what he wanted done to trump just because he doesn't talk directly to merrick garland is ridiculous. but as byron points out, we have enough surrogates for the biden people in the press. biden, why >> exactly. i mean, it beggars belief that he wasn't fully aware of what

was going on and allowed his thoughts to be transmitted and obviously he is responsible for this, for this disaster really, that's bee falling the country. but he, you know, donald trump is sitting pretty. basically joe biden and the doj has just written his campaign pitch for him, that speech tonight was pitch perfect, and that will be what he will run on and it's completely drowned out the other candidates in the race. >> laura: now, byron, speaking of his allies in the press, biden's allies, they're still trying to understand why trump supporters are so loyal to him. watch this. >> couple people explain it to me like this, to them this is a team sport and they're going to route for their guy no matter what. one guy likened it to like a college football game and that the federal government is on the other side. that's the other team, jack

smith, the justice department. they're the opponents. >> laura: that's a sophisticated analysis there by ron i don't know if i can follow it. >> welcome to american politics, one team and the other team. the problem is, they haven't been paying enough attention in the last seven years. i talked to a lot of republicans last week in iowa, and every single one of them, even the ones who would like to move on from trump, they all believe that trump was unfairly targeted four years. >> laura: 81% of republicans right now. >> but they look back to 2016, all the way to the russia situation and believe trump has been unfairly targeted by investigators, by democrats on the hill and by the media. and so when they hear about another investigation or another indictment, they fit it into their pre-existing belief that trump has been unfairly singled

out. and so that's why they really aren't paying even all that much attention to it because they think they willer know what's going on. >> laura: mueller mueller mueller, russia russia russia and now jack smith jack smith jack smith. miranda you mentioned his primary opponents being drowned out, it's more than that because vivek ramaswamy was down in miami today saying all other candidates should affirmatively promise to pardon donald trump should they become president themselves. smart move on his part? >> well, it is a smart move but it's not really up to him to dictate to the others what they do. but i think it would be smart for all of them to say that they would pardon him. this is obviously a political prosecution. it feeds into the whole durham report and the politicization of the department of justice and the fbi and you saw him come out

today to depoliticizing the february and the doj basically getting them out of dc would be one way of breaking up the swamp. so i think this issue is terribly important and will dominate the campaign but with good reason because it's probably the greatest threat to the country is this justice department and this fbi that is completely out of control and is assisting one side of politics to prosecute their political enemies. >> laura: seems to strengthen trump, at least right now. miranda and byron thank you both for coming in tonight >> more from our legal panel plus we will hear for the first time from form fbi assistant director chris swecker on this. his thoughts next. your wyndham is waiting...

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♪ >> laura: back with me now is sol weisberg and mark davis and chris psycher former fbi assistant director. chris given all your experience with the fbi and as a prosecutor, your reaction to the breadth of these charges versus what, of course, we've seen the bidens and hillary clinton, what they were subjected to. >> yeah, i mean, i've read this 37-count indictment very

carefully, and, you know, i'd summit up in one sentence. i would say there's probably evidence of things that are alleged in there but the case should never have been brought forward as a prosecution. so it's a case of prosecutorial discretion in the hill cline case it went one way and the investigation was conducted very differently. in this case it went another way and that prosecutorial discretion went toward prosecuting and not only prosecuting but loading up 37 counts in an indictment which involves one core set of facts. i call it unbundled, you know, one core indictment and turning it into a bunch of micro indictments. very different treatment here versus hillary clinton. >> laura: well, sol, harvard law proof larry tribe thinks that the presidential records act, mike cites this a lot, won't help trump in this case. >> no question the presidential records act provides no defense

for donald trump because it specifies that these defense-related documents and the classified and secret documents, at a minimum, belong to the united states government. there is no legal defense. the only defense that i think he's mounting is the defense of time. >> laura: sol, i'm not sure time is the defense but your reaction to that? >> well, first of all, that's just one possible defense. it's a legal defense. it will be litigated. but there are many other possible defenses. as david pointed out earlier, the most important may be the mens ray a, they have to show willful intent on president trump's part. and chris made a very important point about the investigation of hillary clinton and the e-mails. it's not just the prosecutorial decision, it's the way that she was treated with kid gloves, the

way that she was allowed to bring ten or 15 people in when she was questioned, including a lawyer who was a witness in the case who never should have been allowed in. it's striking, the comparison between the aggression showed to president trump. so i wanted to make that particular point. >> laura: now, mike, andrew weisman spoke to his mueller investigation experience today. >> if you are on the team you feel an incredible burden of history. these are career prosecutors and, knowing that they have to do justice, they have to respect the rule of law, they have to respect due process of the defendant, but there's an enormous satisfaction in representing the united states, an accountability. >> laura: mike they they're like a few good men here. come on. they're just pouring it on at this point. >> let me respond to the good

professor lawrence tribe. >> laura: tribe. i knew you were going to hit him. >> so the presidential records are any records created or received by the president or his white house staff, including classified records to advise the president and the presidential records act let me read it to you specifically says the presidential records of a former president shall be available to such form for president or the former president's designated representative. that's 44 usc-section 2205 subsection 3. maybe larry tribe should read the presidential records act says nothing about excluding the national defense records that are excluded, that is a bogus argument by them. they know former presidents are allowed to have their presidential records acts. that's why congress gives former presidents security office space and protection.

>> laura: chris, you have a problem with this putting the prosecutors -- they're putting themselves up on the pedestal as it's truth, justice, the american way where -- quickly on that. >> purely political. i mean, i think this is a way for prosecutors to make a name for themselves now, every tin horn prosecutor in the country wants to get a piece of it and it's just not how our criminal justice system needs to work and it shouldn't work that way. >> laura: panel great to see all of you tonight. thank you for your expertise and we'll be tracking this case with you throughout. it's going to be a long haul, so thank you >> kamala does her best dr. evil impersonation. how can that be true? d gear for hunting and camping, before the two shelves of tackle in the back of the liquor store, before the early mornings, and the short nights, before the first road trip, even the first tournament. before all of that, there was fishing,

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