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on fake and fabricated charges of which he and numerous other presidents would be guilty. right in the middle ofilty. presidential election in whichs he is losinglosi very badly. >> no other president, even those who kept far more documents that i has ever been even investigated, let alone charget alond with a crime. >> it's joe biden and his corrupt department of injustice those who think they are above the law, never before have the two standards of justice in our country been more starkly. o and that same type of cheeringhe you just heard at the clubar was also heard organically hours earlier, hundreds of supporters showed up outside the miami courtroom whercoure pre. tha president trump was arraigned and after that, dozens more wens t to a cuban restaurant in the city where they sang happy birthday to former president trump and took selfie after selfie with him. desp

now, one thing is clear here. now, despite all the naysayersit ,his support is still very strong and perhaps this is unprecedented among modern political figureprecedens. but instead of asking why that might be, our sneering and vindictive press corps, they're just out for blood. >> donald trump could face many years in prison if convicted. i think the sentencing guidelines dictate serious sentences here. quick calculation of them. they are in the neighborhood of more than ten years. i think he he, you know he he in line for a jail term. >> is out comes out to 8 to 12 years depending on some of wrt. rinkles tha but the truth is what they're doing is alienatin ag of millions of americans who now think the government plays politicsit with criminal prosecutions and that the entire federal systederampli is working and plotting against so tnary, hardworkinngry, g fams and the values they hold dear. so the momentary excitement it'

that official washington is feeling right now, well, it's goings goin give way and w important data points. but everyone, everyone shoulntsd focus on tonight. according to a reuters ipsos pollin a, 81% of republicans believe that the trump indictment politically biased, 81%. now, remember, in 2020, bidenis was promising all of us he wasal going to get country back to normal, was going to be all that dignity everywhere. but is how the bidens and the te clintons actions were treated versus how donald trump's were treated? is thains weret. s that is that dignified? this petty revenge play we'ree seeing play out? is that helping biden'ng plasde' bringing the country together? no, no, no. ing thuntry toand no. the biden doj has maden a tremendous mistake here. they've made our country intod h a laughingstock arounde to the world. and they did more to hurt americans. trus hur ericans't their government than decades of soviet and chinese propaganda. one,

so no one no one thinks trump has any nefarious motiveso by holding these documents, and he shouldn't have kept them. but nocu shouldn't way there wa to be a threat to national security. that is absurd. co the doj might might be able to meddle in another election courtesy of federal investigatiof fen. but soon enough, there will beis a critical mass of americans who simply say, i will not compl, y. and then what are they going to do? put them all in jailn jail. but the truth does occasionally seep out, doesn't it? nothing is guaranteed once the ball rolls at trialsl, rtail and certainly not in a high profile criminal case. juryy is going to be critical and you're going to need someone that knows how tono select a miami jury. you win the trial. almost more important than the evidencethe of the judge is how you select the jury and who's on that jury. there's a concept called jury nullification. if you could plant the seed in nue juror that despite evidence, despite the elements of the crime, despite what the

judge tells you about those or e jury instructions, a juror has the ability to follow their own inclinationsctions a. own >> whether this is a just prosecution or not. it takes one juror. joining me now, david schoen, formerjoinin trump lawyer, saul wisenberg, former deputy independent counsel and former assistan t u.s. attorney, as well as mike davis, founder and president of the article, three project. so let's start with you. what about that lastlet'with po? >> lay out the process, ifproces you would, for jury selection in this type of case. how long would take? is how critical is it? well, when you say this type of ease, there really is no cas just like this. a former president indicted and going to trialo . unfortunately, in most federal criminal trials, unlike in state trials, very limited what we call voir dire in some parts of the country texaborder in texas, where you get to question the jury before you select them there is very limited border hereit's

by the attorney. it's almost all done by the judges almos, the federal federt judicial system. >> my guesion is thas is that t will be loosened up a bit in this particular case . k it's but also, i would like to say that i think it's a little pessimist to have to say we're going to rely on one juror t to in jury nullification, because i think the president has some reae prel defensible issues here. this is a winnable case. i'm not saying he would definitely win it or it's a slam duns butk him. but there are some real issues here and i don't think he's going to have to relyo hav' on jury nullification necessarily. >> i'm going to get back to that in a momentet bac. david, i want to play a moment from obama's s.g. earlier todayr . he's not president anymore. >> get to you know, when you leave the president home, documents as a, take souvm this is the people's information. ruat's whyatio have such a robut set of criminal rules to protect againstrotect mishang

of it. trump just spit on all of thatfh tecording to thiat nothing i've heard, you know, tells me that he has a viablllen defense. >> david, again, it's just declared no defense at all. pick up where saul just leftft off. >> well, i addressing what the solicitor generasolil said, apparently it's really outrageous for a justice department y official to saynd try something like that and try to color things in that regardt . they have an obligation to the system and the integrity of systth to not put out that, th kind of statement. listen, you know, the presidenee is unique. a former president is unique. congressional researchl researpt put out a piece in february talking about the protocols that. former presidents regularly get the intelligence briefings . so the former president, like a president, has that knowledge in hiss mind . what if president trump had just talked about what was in the document s? is that covered by the by the charges in this case? this case is documents. there are all kinds of defenses in this case, starting with,o th

you know, the presentation of evidence they had to the grand jury with the even corker notes. you've got sipa,a issues here. they're going to have to be played out. and you have mainld t,y the mens rea in this case. whether president trump will act it willfully, which ine this context means knowingly did something the laere wnc prohibited. all of the evidence that we've seen so far indicates exactlsee the opposite. >> he believed he was entitled to do what he dientitled d. now, mike, as a former practicing myself, a white collar criminal defense, you know, if i were advisingar t client a regular client, i'd say like, don't try to litigatea in the press. that's usually a loser. bullt this is a different situation. but is there still a danger for president trump to speak out publicly about the caspr oute ae did tonight, given how we know they try to use everything against him and they can use it, anything he says

publicly against him at trial? >> well, we all know that not wm lawyer is going to muzzle, president trump and frankly, they shouldn't. this is a politicothey well indictment against him. they are ignoring the presidentialg thpresiden act the biden justice department, they are ignoring the 2012 clinton software case. they are ignorincag the 2019 office of legal counsel. legal opinion thatse you generally obstruct investigations in into i non crimesnvesti. hese know that president trump had the right to these records under the presidential recordsact act. they know that the presidential records act does not have a criminal not component. and for them to charge espionage for foump r trump just simply retaining not even using, not eve nn harming our nation's national security, simply having his presidential l ,which he's allowed to have under the presidential records act, is not goin to stag stand as alaw. matter of law. >> so i want to ge>> laurat tha back to your point earlier that you believe there are deficienciest u believ, at the t in this indictment.

what is the numberity, y one vulnerability you think the prosecutioouthn has with thg charging document? i think that they're the number one vulnerability has to do with the information that came formercame from lawyers, because i think there's an assumptioere'n that e witnessesoing to b who are going to be friendly to the government and hostile to the president. a hostio e and in my experienc, these are lawyers,me the governmentnt cam in and they broke the attorney client privilege. they convinced a judge in washington ege, they the crime fraud exception to that privilege applied and. t that's why they were ablehe to question these former lawyers that areformer l therese referenced in the indictment. so these lawyers aren'ren't goig to necessarily get on the stand and give the same interpretation to presidentstatm trump's statements thaten the prosecutioat then apparently wants us to believe. so i think that's a vulnerable a

a vulnerability. i think their strongest >>counts arer strot co the obstn counts. and,ra: and, david, media constt during this past few days has been the attacks on judge elaineck cannon, who's presiding over this case as federal district court judge. nocasew continued today. >> watch this. the judge does not have greattay experience. most judges there and certainly judgdge canne cannon does not he experience. she's proved that certainly with her decisions, earliere rulings after the search at the. she doesn't have experience when actually the case is going to be argument ->> doesnexperiei and arguably she doesn't evefin understand the different: david, the different levels of security. >> now, david, i'm not surote iu andrea mitchell has actually heard any of the oral arguments at the supreme court, bumeat thet ketanji brown jackss on the court of appeals for whatals for , six months? med i don't i don't recall l about hereing al experience to be a supreme court justice.

but now this this district court judge can handle it. i mean, on. >> it's extraordinary and it'ss offensive. this is a judge pick by random selection. she's an american successhe's ae story. daughter of a cuban refugee, worked her way up in miami. stellar academic credentials, clerked for a great judge, stredentia for a big firm and hs been a career prosecutor, a law and order judgprosece, very bril person, very well respected. they point to of these scraps e of you know, she entered an opinion earlie r, this case that was reversed. every great judge in this country has been reversed. evgreae in thiy has beyeah.plus and plus, we know that you don't use judges decisions for recusal purposes. all of these same people then challenge lawyers who sugges tlenge the judge in new york who wasn't picked randomly, who was assignedth nwho wa handpicked fr the original trump organization case, the bannon prosecution , and now this trump case. that judge is perfectly fine with them. and no lawyenor to suggest otherwise, even though a federal court has said this cond picking process they use

in new york supreme court in new york county is subject to a questionun an as to whether its the appearance of partiality. mike, do you think the mr.. now, who irtialials also a, you, another defendant in this case, the order from the judge, was that the president could not speak with him about the cas wae witnesses, including him, was how ously being charged alonudig him. how concerned are you about that, giveu n the fact that obviously he still works with the president on a daily basis? >> well, i'm not concerned about this. lo, i this indictment lays out bad facts and this is just an . these are just allegations. remember, though, that therel de serious legal deficiencies with this indictmentfi wit can e be challenged as a matter of law. and at the end ohef the day, think about what biden and his justice department are trying to dstice deo, trying to put in. biden's political enemy. they f they want him to die in prisonea because they fear that he's actuall

y to win back the white house in november of 2024. >> and that's what this is all about. david, thankabout. you so, mikel of you, stay with us. now, the media has been particularly egregious in how it's behaved as an ally, ost not as a check on the trump prosecutors. liberalsor are are usually all ? innocent until proven guilty. right. but with trump, it's guilty until the jury says otherwise. now, for the nearly two years that robert mueller was hounding trump, journalists, virtually no questions about his tenure or his mission. ssio. ditto for jack smith. now, the special prosecutor in this documents case. he in their eyes, he's thecoun consummate professionacil, alwas above reproach, no focus on his wife donated to joe biden in 2020 twice, and worked on a no fy extolling the virtues of michelle obama. no focus on one of his deputies who donated to biden and obama'o michels presidential campaigns and faced misconduct allegations back in 2009. not interested.

backnow analyzing the teleprompr readers on the other networks, well, that's easy. if they're not devoting proper t personal time and resources to covering biden's stumbles bi they're just hacks who throw hissy fits. >> foo >> food for everyone. food for food for everyone. the he says they're tough. so this is this is this is the visual he wants. >> this case isn't going to be legallyy in a cafe. t it's going to be settled inhe the courtroom for the facts and law. the folks in the control room te who i don't need to see anye more of that. this he's trying to turn this in. he's tryin he's tryg to turn it into a spectacle, into a campaign ad. that's enoug. gh of that >> trump has gone to reallye a famousto place that ally republican candidates actually probably democratic candidates go as well. that's the picture cratic ctes go as . >> your brilliant words. we don't need to see that anymore. heaven forbid the networks show trump in his element sho with rl

people shaking hands down rea to control people, to controle room people, to pull away from that chat room. well , understand this.goin everything you're going to see from the media's coverage of this casg to ee over the next y, year and a half is going to be, geared toward one thing, convincing the voters that donald the trump is unfit for t the presidency, that republicans should choose a conventionalhapublicanose re, someone maybe more in the mitt romney mold. and this means you can expect a lot of time devoted to elevatingofd and featuring a candidates who are nice peoplerh but they have zero chance of winning the nomination, certainly zero chance of beating joe bide n as longe bide as they are the anti-trump, though, in their views on key issuesn.e anti and the views ofs the man those candidates will be sparedidates temporaril> least if this indicted is true, if what it sayiss is actually the case. president trump was incredibly reckless with our security. >> this case is a serious case

with serious allegations, and there's going to be constant probing const of establishment gop senators like lisa murkowskilisa. >> we cannot take this lightly. so to to to kill the messenger does not does not account for the gravity of of the indictment that is out there. we have to take this we seriously havtake . oh, is that right, lisa? do we take seriously happening in our border? you ever hear her talking about the border that way? orrder tt the fa how about the ? we're losing ground with china? she ever spoken like that about ever wy? g prices climbing again? no. look, the press knowno s that o honest coverage of our economy means actual coverage of biden'ur coverags failures, bu, they're already looking forward to the nex g fot indictment. >> we also know from may our reporting that there maylihd be other indictments. >> in all likelihood, this is jus, thist the second of four indictments. we will see donaldindictment fag the special counsel, also

looking into trump's role inn th the january six attack on the capitol and his efforts cas ofrturn the result the 2020 election. >> you know, of courseelection, the while the press puts on its best show acting reall, rey, rey hard to pretend that they're not enjoying every minute of this t for the country and for history. i think it's a day we look back on and in sorrow no to se one wants to see a formee rctedi president of the united states indicted in a federal court having to san y not guilti >> this is not a days is for celebration is a sad day. hi i mean, what a historic and historically sadst. i think it's sad for the country. country.oh, please. these people haven't been happier since the windows were smashed at the capitol januows on january six. and they don't even feign interest in. night the blockbuster news from last night that numerous tape recordings reportedl that y exid documenting that bribes were exid to joe and hunterly by a burisma executive. now, this whistleblowee.r hast

the goods. then how is that not one oft spok the biggest scandals of all time? >> so the president spoke to this. e tothis i t he wai think he wad a question about this at the thursday press t conference. and i'm just going to quote hima and say it's malarkey it'sy. fn >> yet over the past 24 hours, t this is all we could finhed on. >> the biden bombshells from all the major networks. oh, that's right. >> well, network news didn't even cover it. and we couldn't find any mentiodn't eve and wuldn't fn os outside of fox. nothing. what a disgrace. and these people raise about whether judge eileen cannon should herself from a trump case based on her political bias there wagging finger, is always pointed right back at them. >> joining me now, congressman jim cramer, chairman of the house oversighrmanthe t com congressman, your reaction to everything that's swirling around reaerything tonight, whan today at the courthouse in miammiami, ai and?e

you heard the crickets. they didn't cover anything about the tape recording s. count it's a sad day iryn the history of our country. if you look at ou look what they'rechargi charging donald trump for and what we on the house oversighng thet committee have the already brought out on the biden family, creating sl 20 shell companies to launde crn money through six american banks to non biden famil y members from foreign nationals in china, in romanian chin and n we're just now getting to the bank records on russia and ukraine. and yet the media won't cover anything joe biden or the fact that he could potentially be compromised if in fact he has been recorded accepting a bribe from a foreign national. well, we have china and ukraine. that's nol. i mean, they're not big stories right now. and both countries couldw d we be involved in the scheme. how could it not? could they not d be? they could be. that's why we've been investigating this from day one. we fea thir that this presidents compromised and we have the fact have thats to back thad the fact that his family has

taken millions and millions of dollars ofs from foreign nations in some of the worst countries on our plane t, and we have no idea what the family did to earn that money. thate wasg of valu provided to those foreign nationals to compensate co receiving tens of millions? we don't believe that the president's son or brother i had the ability to produce anything of that magnitudetyce t value. we believe and we fear that this president didresident. you don't trust their financial acumen to be bringin bringing tn value to the table. separate from joe biden, though, i've seen their bank >>s. dna it's really bad out now.d ur trump tonight said variousa. things about the prosecution and the timing of this cas case >> it's also no coincidence that these charges against me came cam down the very same day, $5idence revealed joe biden took a $5 million bribe from m ukraine, took a $5 million bribe. >> butbut th the fbi and the jue

department don't even want to talk about itta. s well, congressman, is he saying basically what we justai said? but i mean, it really is giving people a sense of two levels of justice and the scalesht. not equally weighted. no one believes this was a coincidence, thaa ot on the same doc day the fbi produced a document showed they've been sitting on allegations of a biden bribery for that. donald trump just happened to be indicted by the specialann counsel for for mishandling ofg classified classif documents whe joe biden himself mishandled classified documents on a much greater scale than what donald'a trump dirdd. >> lau and we haven't heard a thing from that special counsel. where are those taperae ars? well, according to the fbi, for the oligarch told the informant formanthat he kept those tapes n insurance policy for giving the bidens a bribe in hopes that they would produc

e something of value in return for the for the millions o they did produce. well, we we believe that firing the prosecutor in ukraine was part e the deal.hat fo we believe that foreign aid wasa part of the deal. and if you grt of o back, look e joe biden was during this time, everything fit. and look at what we producedng . romania, less than two weeks after joe biden left romania, talking aboue t foreign policy and foreign aid, his family started receiving wire hiss thrh their shell companies from a romanian national while joe biden was president.>> lau none of this is impeachable, though, i'm sure. now, congressman you've issued n a subpoena to devin archer to appear for a deposition in the b this investigation of the biden family. idily.will show. and what do you expect to learn? i'm confidenvat will show. per and devin archer's is a key person in our investigatioson, and he knew very well exactly what the bidens doing in ukraine, in russia, especiallyw ,he knew whether or notand wh joe biden was involved and whaat

want to know from devin archer is what exactly did the bidens dohe to receive the millionsfrm and millions of dollars from russia and ukraine that they received? how did they get so rich? i have to say this every night on the show for the next year and a half, how did the bidens get so rich? nobody still know this answer that question. no they they talk about their businesses. we have they have nod about lee businesses that i have found toilet paper. >> i mean, what's thato he's still getting money for that lousy art of his g by unknownor. well, that's that's what he's had to do. now that the gig's up unknhe influence peddling, he's artist now but we don't know who's buying the art. and you know we're concerned d about that. hundreds of thousands of dollars for. all right, congressman g, and, to see you tonight. thank you. all right. as we mentioned, hundreds of tondlee miamied outsid courthouse today where trump pled not guilty. fox's griftrumf spoke to a few r us to find out why they came out and here to support mr.to sp trump, because he's not guilty. this is a pure harassment. it's an injustice. they're coming after him for no

reason at all. just because he's runnins ing.ge he's out of the race, that's it. they win. he cannot drop out no matter oug what. this country is going downhill. if not for donald trump. >> this country's gone. this is all bull. te his he says they went intort the white house. i starteedd with them and they'e afraid of them. do you think the other candidates should pledgege t to pardon trump if he's convicted? he ain't going to be becausee peop the people has the power ilenpo the united states is getting a raw deal. he's probably the most investigated.bably th politician the history of the united states, and they've always uni e up with nothing so focused their energy on investigating the biden family. and it seems like the biden family and the democratspretty t pretty much do whatever they want to and they don't get the kind of media scrutiny. >> if president trump is reelected, should he pardon? the biden family? no. >> hno. upt,go all this is corrupt. this is a corrupt administration. corrupr such a corrupt administration. when we have people in, e wh

the white house peddling influence for money and we have the laptope from and we have 33,000 emails that were hillary acid washed clinton and she's allowed to walk free. oneno one does anything about f well, the biden crime family, needd to be if they're convicted, they need to pay the price because they actually been pri moneye bn and they've been bribed. it pay for play. they have sold out america. if trump gets reelectey and, he pardon the biden family. absolutely not. thi absolutely not. there's two tiers of justice in this country right now. and that's it's ridiculous. so trump 20,so 24, let's go,>> u baby. af thank you, grasbergra: thankt that was cool. now, while americans are not afraid to stanstan sayd up and y what they really think about this indictment, many of the establishment gop ers are just staying oddly silenodt. they think that by doing that and letting biden do whatever he want execu bras wite

executive branch, that they're protecting the national securityg th. but they are not. they're simply allowing thosed e agencies to become more and more discredited in the eyes of the public eye. every every republican senator who wants to have a strong fbi h should be furious with what the biden administration bi its actionsse are weakening a vitall us institutionu.s. and thus the endangering the united states. united sone senator is giving it back to the democrats. ohio's j.d. vance threatened's to block all of biden's judicial nominees until merrick garland stops using his agencies to harassoe joe biden's political opponents. senator vance joins me now. joiy >> senator, any otherouef your colleagues are going to join your effort? >> ink a i think a few ofread my colleagues will. a few my colleagues are already pretty actively pushing back against joe biden's department of justice. ant here's the crazy thingrtmene is we actually have some authority and we can use it use to do something goodr the american people. what so many senators, i think, arwhat so e of doing is giving g

the constitutional authority the american people have given us, the political appointees ute the department of justice. the way to look at them is foot soldiers forsoldiers turning thm into political activism instead of activel iy doing the job of enforcing the law. why should we be giving whe biden more foo t when he's using them to attack his political opponents and conservatives all across country? >> it's insane. now, cnn, not surprisingly, >> your today.r an >> watch this. here's a supporter just doubling down. we are seeing not just from dow donald trump,donald republican senators undermining the justice department tnators o law. so it's not the fact that tht they are applying justice unequally. it's by actually using your constitutionally authorized, you know, positionno to say, no, no, you have go givyou havee information or e not going to comply. >> that's exactly right. i'm undermining the rule o f law

by doing the job of the united states. senator, it's totally insane. w byg thi think one of these pen actually accused me of obstructing justice myself by actually going down on my own. the only motivated appointees here. >> but this is insany motie hert it's the president's constitutional prerogative to declare's onal pre fire or classify whatever documents he wishes. th that joe bidenam and hillary clinton before joe biden ever became e president get to mishandle classified information, face no and joe biden gets away scotawas freeco and donald trump is goine to be put in prison for the rest of his life. that's res his what they're tryg to do for declassifying documents as he has the constitutional authority to do. it's crazy. and we cannol thority t continue the department of justice free reign to set themselves loose on the american people, unlimited funding, unlimited and unlimited personnel. we can, as a u.s. senateperson, effectively grind the appointments process. and merrick garland, the department of justice to aa

halt. >> why don't we do it? the american people, i think, expect it. doha you thinklt your colleaguen leadership who are more establishment and, do1% o they understand that 81% of republicans thinf k this indictment is politically motivated? are they aware of wher motivae political winds have shifted in the going the they just like it's 24 all over again? >> i think they're awarey're ofd laura, but they're so caught up in the dc media environment ofaten they don't remember the implications of this. if we sort of step back, thinkrc of the trump presidency. ever. n itle alleged scandal there was this initial rush of news and then it turned out when you look at the detailst t wasn't nearly as bad as the d.c. press corps would lead us to believdce. i think they need to remember here that all of the the sensationalism around thisd indictment, we're going to learn the truth. and i suspect the truth is not the goingg be nearly as bad asn reported on cnn. >> the day after the indictmente . what's happened to the public's trust in is, i think, far more significant than a bunch of

documents being kept sloppily, sloppily in a bathroom. e the american people have at least half the countryig believing they can't trust the fb ttrust thi, the justicet department. how significant is that? and again, dist?oan republican colleagues realize what this indictment is going si to do to that? it's hugely significant. and this is thfi e i make look, endor i obviously i've endorsed donald trump, but i would make this argument to peoplsee who ae not going to support donald trump. this is really not aboutt su who was president. it's about the office of t it's a pf. oliticl do you use that officeal to harass your political opponents or opponen? do you use that office to enforce the law? what we're seeing herewhre is sh selective enforcement that you're absolutely right, it's going to destroybsolutelt the s faith in equal administration of the law. if you have democrats facing one set of principles and republicans facing harshest application of the law, then you're going to eliminate people'she faith that the law is about what you do

and whether you do it the right way and not about that military. >> who's going to sign up? that's milit >> tha exactly right. why are you going to sign up for a military that is applying justice unequally? kid why are you going to send your kids to to law school? why are you goinhool, whg to yo taxes? the entire foundation of this countrof thiy that whether you' democrat or republican, we all face the same justic e system. joe biden's department of justice is going to war against that principlenciplethey'r. they're going to break the country unless we stop it. j.d. vance, great to see you a ss than thanks for coming in tonight. now, why is the biden white house sayingksg ight what are thi they saying about all of this? well, kevin corke has a live report in moments,s and then we're going to examine it. >> so stay there. donald trump stole classified national security documents. he about it. he obstructed the government's effort to get them back. >> and even his allies and lawyers say it was wrong. there was obstruction in keeping the documents from the government, trump said he didn't have any documents when he knew that he did. i think donald trump's in a lot of trouble here and it's his

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a sleight of hand. let me explain. yes, it is true. esidenthe president and his tops have taken a vow of silencileth on the federale indictment of his predecessor. that is true. and, yes. , the even has explicitly ordered the dnc and his reelection dnc to do the very same. however, and this is some reallyhowevell important for co several left leaning outside groupsleft outside of biden'sa control, but with a wink and aav nod, have already commissioned ads about trump's legal woes, d which democratic operatives believe helps to do the dirty work for the administration. and that, in fact, is the point. so be sure to pay attentiot.e s. what happened, not just to what is said, although for good measur j measure, it should be noted that the first lady, joe biden, didn't exactlyde buy into the nd talk talk. he admonition she ventured a public comment bemoaning republicans for standing by mr. trump in the face of som the indictment. still, there are some democrats out there who worre demo y that biden's decision could frankly cost him in thisnkly cos.

it cost him a chance, they argue, to underscore the seriousness of the moment,v as well as perhaps deliver a political blow to his chief political rival. but there are those who sabut ty he's his hands full with enough trouble. he may want to stay silentnough altogether. laura. thank you, kevin.lent. >> i'm glad you're not silent. all right. joining me now is byron york, chie nf political correspondent for the washington examiner and miranda devine, coew york post" columnist. both are fox news contributors. all right. why do you suspect biden wantsn his surrogates to remain side on on this? well, joe biden would be the bidemate beneficiarye if donald trump goes down. joe bide tn the ultimate mean, beneficiaries. i mean, the reason we're talkin theg this is because it's the first time in us history that a sitting president, hisenh administration hasis prosecuteds his main political rival. so, of course they do. and also the other thing is anyl

timey , especially inciple the democratic party, any time a principal wants to remai rn silent and let all his allies in the press and on pr, they don't do that for him. it's easy to do. yeah rk for miranda and you pointedd. out, i think a while ago on this show that remember back in march, i think it was last year where we the new yorke timememberhes, had that piece ot said that biden let it be known that he was annoyed with merrick garland on the january investigation, i guess, to acting more like a judge instead of more ae, j prosecutor. and it was like he just made comments to his staft mments tft that. but it was in the new yorkso times. so the idea that biden t didn't let it be known what he wanted done to trump just he doesn't rd talk directly to merrick garland is ridiculous. peop points out, we got enough surrogates for the biden peoplee pres in the press. biden why should he talk? oh, exactly. i mean, it beggars belief thatfl he wasn't fully aware ofof

what was going on and allowed te thoughts to be transmitted and he is responsibly e this for this disaster really, that's befalling the country. but he you know, donald trump is is sitting pretty basically. joe biden and doj has just writn written his campaign pitch for him. that speech tonight was pitch perfect and that will be what he will run on. and it's completely out the other candidates in the race. no>> laura: now,w byron, speakis allies in the press, biden's allies, they're still tryingil to understand why trump supporters are so loyal cl him. >> watch this.e couple people explain it to me like this thatme lik to them, t' is a team sport and they're going to root foreng tr their ne matter what. one guy likened it to like a college football ll game gamt and that the federal government is on the other side. that's the otherhe team, jack s,

the justice department. they're opponents. >> that's a sophisticated>> analysis lau there. byron, i don't know if i can even follow it. it's so complex. welcome to american politics. w you have one team and the other. shocking. i think the biican politicg pror haven't been paying enough ineny the last seven. enough attention in the last seven years. in attentithe laeveni talked tof republicans last week in iowaonw and every single one of them, even the ones who would like to move on froho likm trump, thl believe that trump was unfairly targeted for . 81% of republicans right now believe this is political. ght so but they look back all the way to 2016. alno bl way to the russiabeliev situation, and believe that thump has been unfairls y targeted by investigators, by democrats on the hill and bey the. and so when they hear about another investigation orr abouio another indictment, they fit it into their preexisting beliefele that trump has been unfairlyhat'

singled out. and so that's why they really aren't paying even that much attention to it, because they think they already know what they're while in russia, russia, russia now. jack smith. jack smith. jack smith. all miranda, you mentioned trump's primary opponents being drowned out, but ja it's notprimar more than that, though. i think it's more than that because vivey k ramaswamy was down in miami today saying that all other candidates should affirmatively promis alle to pan donald trump should they become president themselvesnald tru. a smart move on his part. ot rea well, it is a smart move, butll it's not really up to hitome dictate to the others what they do. but i think it would be smart for all sl of them to say that they would pardon him. this is obviously a political prosecution. it feeds into the whole durhamel report and the entire politicization of department of justice and the fbi. and you saw ron desantis comei

out today with his plan for a day politicizing the fbi and the doj, basically gettingim them out of washington, d.c., would be one way of breaking upc the swamp. so iso i think this issue is terribly important and it does will dominate the campaign. dominate thet with reason, becas probably the greatest threat to the country is this justice department, this fbi that is completely out of control and is assistingntrol an one sip politics to prosecute their political enemieols. t no. now, this seems to strengthen trump, at least right now. >>randa and byron, thankmirand you for coming in tonight. now more from our legal panel. plus, we will hear froal m for the first time from former fbi assistant director chris swecke sr. >> this his thoughts next. they've been after trump from the beginning, but questions swirl around president biden's handling of classified documents found in president biden's garage.

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37 count indictment very carefully. and, you know, i sum it up in one sentence. i'd say there's probably evidence that of things that are alleged in their. but the case should never have been brought forward as a forwn. a case so it's there's it's a case of prosecutorial discretion, the hillary clinton case that went one way and the investigation was conducted inucted differently. nt in this case, it was it wentay another way. and that prosecuto r discretion went towards prosecuting and not only prosecutingecuting loading up 37 counts in an indictment, which one core set of facts. i call it unbundling. you know, one core indictmenth and turning it into a bunch of micro indictments. veryof different treatment herei versus hillary clinton. >>l, harvard law prof. larry tribe thinks that the president records act might mike cites this a lot won't helpke trump in this case.n this >> watch this.e. there's no question the presidential n act provides no defense for donald

trump because e. it specifies that these defense related and the classifieddocumt and secret documents, at thernimum belong to the united states government. there is no legao legal. the only defense that i think he's mounting is the defense of time. so i don't. sure. time is th sure e of defense.>>w but your reaction to that? well welell, of l, first of alls just one possible defense. it's illegal defense. it will be litigated. but there are many othere ar possible defenses, as david pointed out earlier. the most point important may bee mens rea required the level of intent. they've got to show willful intent on former president trump's part. and chris made a very important poin p's pat about the the investigation of hillary clinton in the emaile-mas. 's nt it's not just the prosecutorial decision. it's the way je prosecut that ss

treated with kid gloves the was that she waste allowed to bringe ten orop 15 people in when she was questioned, including a lawyer who was w a in the case who never should have been allowed in. the it's it's striking the comparison betweend to the aggression showed to president trump. so i wanted to make that particular point. now, mike, andrew weissman spoke to his mueller investigation experience todayon . >> if you arhee on the team, t you feel incredible burden of history. hie e are career prosecutors and knowing that they have to do justictodoe, they haveectu to respect the rule of law. they have to respect due process of the defendant. but this there's an enormous satisfaction in representing the united states and taccountability. : mi now, mike, they all likekehe to pretend they're on the set of a feel good man or somethinyg here, like.'r right. come on. and it is just pouringe justng t

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