show heads to myrtle beach beautiful south carolina for an exclusive town hall with 2022 or presidential candidate senator tim scott and we are back it with a live audience. go to hannity.com. tickets are $1 million apiece. no, they're all free, i'm getting. that's all the time we have left this evening, thank you for being with us. let not your heart be troubled, laura ingraham, how are you? >> laura: hey! >> sean: hey, say hello. [applause] >> laura: i like the guy with the striped shirt. >> sean: structure? >> laura: the guy with a blue shirt. all the gals. all right, i'm going to pick it up where you left off with your great audience and i'm laura ingraham and this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. this is another day when i say thank goodness merrick garland is not an associate justice on the supreme court.

as imperious as always, he emerged today if he's going to take any questions to defend his departments actions lea via president trump yuri to speak on my role is to be completely consistent during the special counsel regulations. following the regulations. >> laura: let's be very clear here. the issue is are you acting in good faith or part of a political operation to get a conviction of trump by any means necessary? 81% of republicans believe this about -- this is all about politics and protecting one of the more destructive presidents the united states has ever had joe biden. and they are right. consider the situation this way. no one believes that merrick garland would still be ag if he didn't, hadn't green light a special prosecutor in this case. everyone at msnbc and cnn

believed that merrick garland's trying to put trump in jail. no matter where the facts leave. otherwise, they would be calling tonight for his removal. it's really not that complicated. any of the lawyers on tv and the presidential candidates are former officials with very big titles who claim that trump is called "toast" or act like it's a "slam-dunk" case, they are embarrassing themselves. they know or should know that every piece of information about this case has been presented by the federal government to a trump hating media and been framed in the worst possible light for him. the entire narrative has been skewed by jack smith and merrick garland's doj. it has been presented to a public that is generally unfamiliar with how the legal process works or what the indictment is. but going forward, we are going to learn a lot more about this prosecution. the tactics and the methods of

jack smith and his merry band of prosecutors. if we are going to learn all of it by the way. if trump is able to keep some good lawyers around, it will all be carefully dissected by his legal team. one issue being raised regarding the raid of mar-a-lago and the fact the fbi did not seek consent on the president's attorneys and even dismissed concerns to raised by the florida team. we will dig into those issues and whether they doj tried to subvert the attorney client that protects communication between lawyers in those moments. i used to do white-collar litigation and my lawyer days. at the defense usually doesn't tip their hand. they go to the united states attorney office or they doj and they present their case in the attempt to get the government to change their mind and not indict. but we know that jack smith's office in this case had already made up its mind.

the fact is, this indictment is the best they've got. the facts that were outlined in the indictment the best they've got. i am not that impressed. there is no evidence the president was engaged in the attempt to profit personally from the documents or traffic national security secrets to foreign entities or even that he misplaced any of the documents. however, with joe biden, there is increasingly credible allegations that he and his family did personally profit from his position in government as vice president and president. to the tune perhaps of millions and millions of dollars. the sad truth is our media, apparently, does not believe there any real national security implications for the family of a sitting president or vice president to be setting up shell companies that will funnel foreign money back to the family coffers. presumably in exchange for influence. why else would they do it? lewhat's a hunter biden shows up and says he has a consulting

firm and offers his brilliant consulting services to companies in places like ukraine and china. now, certainly they are not paying for the business acumen of the sky. >[bleep] crazy [bleep]. >> laura: so it's all apparently hunky-dory with jake tapper and the group at cnn that this takes place, not a security concern. do any of these people with the furrowed brows over trump habits, do any at all care that a u.s. senator like chuck grassley's making allegations that our president is being paid and has been paid by foreign interest? if you do not care about that,

then "the angle"'s not going to take anything that any of the media type say about national security concerns seriously. because we do have national security issue sit facing us tonight, serious ones, they have nothing to do with trump and boxes of documents in a bat bathroom. those boxes of mar-a-lago documents can cause 13 service members to be slaughtered during the botched afghanistan pull out? to the boxes that mar-a-lago convince the pentagon that we now have such a weekend industrial base that we can't beat china if they take time one? or do the boxes of documents at mar-a-lago leave our border open to potential terrorists and now we are worried about chinese agents in the united states? of course, the answer is no to all of the above. joining me now, former attorney for president trump, tim. great to see you tonight. what do you make of the tactics of merrick garland's doj,

especially with the attorney-client privilege question? >> you know, litigating these type of two cases against the doj as i usually do, this team acted so radically different from every professional u.s. attorney's office i ever dealt with. they've shown no regard for attorney-client privilege. it's more than just the issue of corporate. i went before the grand jury myself. if not subpoenaed, i went involuntarily -- >> laura: why did you go involuntarily? >> they wanted to hear about the searches we did for additional documents and they wanted some stepper for mar-a-lago to go down and not able to really talk about it so i voluntarily went in because as a criminal lawyer, the opportunity to speak directly to the grand jury, i wanted that opportunity. 45 separate times, you cannot make that number up. 45 separate times they asked me about my conversations with my client. at one point, we kept getting

into the fight because it kept implying you are keeping this from the grand jury and you will not let them know this. no, the ethic rules prohibit me from saying. >> laura: there are some exceptions to the attorney graham privilege which they rely on in the indictment the crime fraud exception. but how they determine whether there was a probable cause for a crime to have occurred here, that's in question as well. we do not have the documents on how they filed of those motions, do we? speech are correct, what they did when i was there, one of the exceptions is waiver. well, president trump is so cooperative, why don't you tell us about all his conversations? when they go to the crime fraud exception as you mentioned, the litigation over evan corcoran's notes, that happened in the context of grand jury where they made a motion, we had to respond to it. if we were not allowed to read the motion because covered under gragrand jury secrecy.

go into the hearing, you made the argument, turn to the government, government had to respond and tell them to leave the room. you got kicked out. you come back in. well, how do you respond to what they just said? jim trusty is sitting there saying respond to what? so ultimately, you get the decision which even that we couldn't read saying there's a crime fraud exception and all of a sudden the notes go over to the government. >> laura: what happens if they didn't have the notes? how critical where the notes to the prosecution? >> to me, they do not reveal anything seriously critical. what they do reveal is ordinary attorney-client coord communican which they use to take to the grand jury and then use to put into their indictment things that should never be said outside of the attorney-client communication setting. to try to separate evan corcoran

from the legal team so he becomes a witness instead of a lawyer. >> laura: they wanted to turn them against president trump. how poisonous is this to the legal process if you can't -- especially someone like a president who's been such a target for so many years. you can't actually hire attorneys and expect the government's not going to try to flip them against you using whatever means necessary. >> the president jack smith is trying to cite is when clients ask us questions, they didn't go to law school. our -- what are we allowed to do and what we have to do? in this case, president trump says i read about hillary clinton and her lawyer david kendall the leader 33,000 emails. can we do the same thing? under jack smith's rule, any question the client asks, we say no, you cannot do that. that's a problem. >> laura: that upends all the attorney-client privilege ethics rules i learned in law school.

oh, my god! >> i believe this case there's going to be serious litigation in the pretrial stage of her muscular misconduct by the stand which could entirely up and the case. we may never get to a trial, we may never have to address any of the substantive issues because of the misconduct that jack smith and his team. >> laura: do you believe he has a backup plan to go over there that a president in new jersey where the bedminster club is, that was floated on cnn and elsewhere. >> that i do not believe. that is something they put in the indictment about that conversation. they never found the document that would be associated with that conversation. to try to bring that as a separate case there would be consolidated anyway and there'd be a double jeopardy issue because that's already alleged in the indictment. >> laura: do you agree with my comments on "the angle," many of the officials who goes on tv and says he is toast essentially?

>> i have problems with any attorney who goes on tv and makes pronouncements of the case they have not seen yet. i represented the man for a year and even i am sitting here saying if the discovery, if the discovery bears this out, people that have never seen a shred of it cannot possibly go out and make the pronouncements. >> laura: tim, thank you for joining us and i appreciate it and we would love to have you back soon. a political organization called no labels promotes centrism, bipartisan some, unity. a working to get a third party candidate on the ballot and a prospect that terrifies the media and think it might help a trump. >> the no label efforts to create a major third party. it's a scary prospect because it's one way i think that you could create political fission splitting apart the electric and no way saying donald trump could be reelected by carrying swing states in the way he could not

otherwise. >> the no labels effort is frankly like a donors pipe dream i do not think will do anything other than probably tough up the more extreme side of the republican party. >> the no labels group that's potentially looking to run somebody. if they are in contested states pulling people away from voting for the democrats, all that does is help the republican nominee and presumably donald trump. >> laura: the biden team heard the message loud and clear. while the doj attempts to jail trump. bill kristol met last week to work to derail any third-party effort. now, talk about an effort to separate the democratic process. from the self-proclaimed defenders of it. they do not want any competition. joining me now, kellyanne conway, fox news contributor, chris bedford, executive editor for the comments in society. i laughed so hard this morning when i saw this and like you're

stupid enough to let all of t this. >> proud of this. >> laura: defenders of democracy but nobody else run for office and put the other guy in jail you're running against probably. >> from the meeting inside the beltway in washington, d.c., let's exclude the country's attempt to maybe have a different voice and a different choice. if biden were remotely competent and kamala harris were remotely confident, they'd worry about that and i want to focus real briefly on the people who were there. you've got everybody from joe biden's chief of staff ron klain echoing chief of staff to his campaign manager from 2020s husband is there. then three democratic senators who lost. i was wondering what happened to them after they lost to north dakota, alabama, missouri. and then you've got republican at the table who nobody paid attention to before they left the republican party win against trump. the easiest thing in the town is to be resistant to once supported trump. they grab you no questions

asked, they love it. what's the purpose of the meeting? they got nothing done except to embarrass them self. i don't think joe biden is vulnerable to no labels, he's vulnerable to cornell west, rf kennedy jr. but 1992, he won 19% of the popular vote and zero electoral votes. bill clinton won 68.8 of the delegates at the electoral. he became president with 43%. they know it can happen with trump and they are scared. >> laura: this really does beg the question about the veracity of their claims to be the defenders of the normal order, dignity, the democratic process. the insurrectionist's are coming again. get the fence is going around the capital. >> the whole idea they changed parties because of donald trump. bill kristol doesn't like any republicans. he's working to elected joe biden. >> laura: is he still waiting for that?

>> he went on twitter and talked on labels. his brain is so broken, he truly believes going on twitter is going to change things. there's a reason for democrats to be worried. you've got mary ann williamson pulling in five, six, seven. she's pulling higher than mike pence and what campaign does she have? you've got kennedy jr., pulling like 20% or so almost as high as ron desantis. he has not even run a campaign ad, he's going on podcasts. >> laura: they do not want any of the people to face off. how can you do that? how can you do that? how do you do that? >> there's an analogy to the republican field because that's growing by the day and they're going to debate. you'll have many people crowding the debate stage. at the dnc made very clear no debates against joe biden. he debates the teleprompter and loses. there's no way they're going to

let him debate people in progressive policy. how has the democratic party not learn the lesson no matter what they did to nullify with the left was not enough. he's being challenged not from the left, but from the right by a few of them. no labels also had a lot of problems in the investigation and all thing. the donors all love it. by trying to kick off people who got valid access, the woman in maine, somebody in charge right there, the secretary of state telling the people of maine maybe you were duped and you did not realize you were changing your party affiliation and you thought you were doing something else. at the same people completely incurious about what happen in our last couple of elections. >> laura: speaking of incurious, i don't believe there is any richey media i like to call coverage of the alleged tape recordings that would document essentially the bribery scheme from foreign entities to the biden family.

like tumbleweeds are blowing through nbc, not about the trump indictment, no talking about it. we are talking about everything on the show. if biden are talking about the big guy, where have we heard that before? it came out against the debates against joe biden, who is the big guy? a code name hunter using and so how did joe biden go from amtrak joe to the guy who is so wea wealthy? i mean, not the book deal. maybe you did by the book, but not in this current days in age. there are such dissatisfaction with joe biden and even amongst the democratic party. that's why the voters do not want to back them. >> laura: your poster, young people in joe biden, latinos and joe biden. >> he will do worse among them. among some other core groups like women, but he was able to run the tables against the

weaker candidate with mitt romney. some candidates will challenge him and unless democrats get him off the stage. >> laura: both of you, thank you. coincidently, we will speak to cornell west tomorrow night on "the angle." i'm next, when g.o.p. presidential candidate asking his fellow running mates to pledge to support a pardon of donald trump. as vivek ramaswamy heard from any of them? he's going to tell us after t this.ce ♪ ♪r . ♪ ♪ today's a good day. ♪ ♪ i screened with cologuard and did it my way! ♪ cologuard is a one-of-a kind way to screen for colon cancer that's effective and non-invasive. it's for people 45 plus at average risk, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider for cologuard. ♪ i did it my way! ♪

♪ ♪ >> this is my commitment. if i'm the next u.s. president to pardon donald j. trump for these offenses in this federal case. i have demanded that every other candidate in this race either sign this commitment to pardon on january 20th 2025 or else to explain why they are not. >> laura: to make sure all the candidates heard his demand loud and clear the, vivek ramaswamy followed up with a written letter to each one republican and democrat. the first to respond publicly, eisha hud hutchinson. >> it's wrong to be discussing a pardon when they have not gotten the facts out.

>> laura: did he forget that walmart? joining me now, vivek ramaswamy, 2024 presidential candidate. great to see you tonight. at first, your respond to eisha hutchinson. what he said that this should not be part of the campaign and all the facts have not deve developed. >> look, we know enough to know that the most facts are generally in the indictment. to assume it's the worst case for trump and let stand for what we actually believe. if you believe those are politicized charges, than actually say so and it should be an easy decision, laura, to say january 20th 2025, we will issue a pardon. i understand it be more convenient for all of us, myself included, if donald trump were not in the race. but that's not how i want to win the art of the way we actually should want elections in the country is that the people in the country get to decide who actually govern, not federally

administrative police state. give credit for them being clear about where they stand even though i strongly disagree with them both coming back with her responses in the negative. more frustrated by our party and the absence of willingness to take a stand which is actually what we heard from the vacillation's among much of the rest of the field. my view is i'd rather speak truth in every step and forget about who wins the election and let's speak truth then play a little gold snakes and ladders and our movement needs to graduate from here and >> laura: do you agree there's a lot of establishments on republican types who'd frankly rather have a second term of joe biden than the populist conservative trump, yourself, ron desantis actually be in office? >> i think so. it especially as it relates to some of the hot button issues such as how to engage in foreign policy. i laid out a clear foreign

policy vision that calls for breaking up the russia and china alliance. at that would involve trading off sacrifices in ukraine. these are beyond the pale, outside the overton window in the establishment of the republican party. i do think that there is something deeper going on in the country, where the real distinctions not even between republicans and democrats right now. it is between those who are unapologetically pro-american. i call it more of a -- i call myself a now nationalist, not in the way it supposed to be inflammatory, by nationalist i mean i stand for the ideals of this country and i will not apologize for it. and the antinationalist, anti-american streak in our country that wishes to apologize for the nation founded on our ideals. both exist in both parties. that's more divisive than republicans and democrats. >> laura: we are enjoying your campaign and we appreciate you joining us tonight. come back soon. >> this is what we are talking

about, this piece of plastic and i'm holding it here, but i will not holding on june 1st because -- >> laura: i want to hold it now because i don't want to be a felon. >> that's the big threat to america is a piece of plastic. >> laura: and he brought it back, the piece of plastic called a pistol brace used by disabled veterans by the way, but a new atf rule would reclassify pistols that use one of these into short-barreled rifles. that means you need a federal license to use one. late last night, house republicans voted to overturn it. joining me now, congressman tom nancy. the white house is pledging to veto this. your reaction? >> they must assume it's going to pass the senate and it could pass the senate. but what it has done on june 1st it made felons out of tens of millions of americans -- >> laura: slippery slope take on this. >> sheila jackson lee came to the floor and said that this is

a legal distinction. it you can buy the brace and the gun, it is just a different classification. i pointed out and when a deranged killer uses a gun, they're not worried about is this a short barreled rifle, a pistol, what classification am i using? they will not care but the legal classification will make felons out of millions of gun owners. >> laura: do you travel with this? i don't want to ask if you slept with it but right now. >> it's days in my office until something comes and takes it. >> laura: right now it's still kosher to be carrying this. >> as long as i don't have a pistol in near proximity because then they would get me for constructive possession. >> laura: it looks like something -- >> it's rubber, not even plastic. >> laura: congressman, i have to turn to january 6th because we have no idea who placed that pipe bomb, pipe bombs near the dnc and the headquarters. if you sent letter to the fbi

director and what's in the letter and what do you expect to hear from him at this point? >> jim jordan and i had a chance to interview the guy who's in charge of the d.c. field office in charge of finding out who the pipe bomber was. it turns out we are 900 days later they do not have a suspect and i think the biggest things i learned in the interview with him was that the phone data was corrupted. i asked him and i said, we saw in the video the suspect the night before who think planted the bomb and use the phone a few times. how did you use the phone data and he said basically, well, you're not going to believe this. he use the word conspiracy theory and he didn't want to tell us because he thought it would fill more conspiracy theories that they went to the phone providers and the data was corrupted. >> laura: states camera's weren't working or something. >> we have the ability when they were looking over people's bank records, geo-fencing, tracking with the cell phone tracking

technology. no suspects? it's all because the technology was not working properly? we've got cameras on every inch of capitol hill. >> that's when he claims. at the geo-fence data was corrupt. the other question i asked him is because the bombs have gone off? i asked him to explain how that one our kitchen timer could set a bomb off 17 hours later and he admitted for the first time and this contradicts what he said in the media before that it could not. the other thing i asked him was given all of the coincidences, within the people who discover the bombs be suspect since the bombs were basically unearthed and found within 20 minutes of the first breach of the capital? he said that his investigation 101. yes, both of the people would be suspects and i said who found the second bomb and he said i don't know. he doesn't know. we've got video ad capitol. i think we've got video of who

found the second bomb and we will be back to the fbi and say why didn't you follow-up with this person? >> laura: hit the home plate from yankee stadium from outer space but we cannot find the one guy. tongass men, thank you for being honest. the fact-checkers and protectors of the truth our backs, but who will protect us from them? a chinese blockbuster is released with a purpose. raymond arroyo in studio with all. "seen and unseen" is next. ♪ ♪

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biden administration, daniel day-lewis back in action and he saw his shadow. >> president trump delivered so many lies and wildly misleading claims about the indictment that i want to go through a whole bunch of them quickly. he said they were his own documents and that's not only absolutely false, it is upside down world. about every other president has done what he did again absolutely false. >> the nitpicking. this guy, he is to be on tv. the media did a whole thing on this. every day he was on tv, he mentioned every day of the trump administration and now he gets the airtime of jeff toobin. he's working his way back and he found an opening. >> laura: has he ever fact-check joe biden stories about the lawyer and how his son died? >> i've only found a handful of biden checks and there were minor things. what amazes me is the media have covered donald trump's every move from the house to the car to the courthouse to the car to the plane.

i'm surprised they didn't have a camera in the men's room. but then when trump finally lands in new jersey and addresses supporters post indictment, they do this. >> during his remarks live because frankly he says a lot of things that are not true and sometimes potentially dangerous. >> we do not intend to carry their marks live. as we said before them the circumstances, there is a cost to us as a news organization to knowingly broadcast untrue things. >> wait, there is a cost to us as a news organization to knowingly broadcast untrue things? how she never seen the rachel maddow show? all of the shows are riddled -- >> laura: i don't think we are going to explain it. >> deal with the 2016 election interference. they still deny it and cannot admit to it or break about it as sure as much they love to appear to speak to all the data suggest children may suffer less than

older americans from the disease, reopening in person education will cause the virus to spread more. >> we know the vaccines work well enough that the virus stops with every vaccinated person. >> the cdc would disagree. their statement said the vaccines do not protect and that's ridiculous. of but it's. they are nitpicking about the loose language of president trump. when they engaged in stories, lower outcome of the known lowly endangered american lives with vaccines and the covid -- >> laura: who knows how many people got for us to take the vaccine and had a horrible effects. speak to their misinformation lead to but multiple inpatient t attempts. you know june 19th is your birthday. the president, you may not know this, the president posted a juneteenth concert at the white house and thus set up

might need some translation. >> to paraphrase maja angelo, people will never forget how you make them feel. we need a motion in the country in the world that all men and women are created equal. the good lord brought us this far to leave us behind. >> he didn't bring us this far to wish t laura ingraham a happy birthday. but you didn't get in invite to the concert. >> laura: no, i was left out, it's very sad. >> we will send you an nft of that. finally, i was looking at the arts for what's coming. one of the biggest hits in china is a film called "king of the sky" realized the mug released in u.s. it sort of a chinese top gun and

mention that only that this time the enemy is clearly an american one who is intruding on chinese airspace even the economists see the propaganda for what it is. it china is selling a war with america to its people and using a feel-good action film. imagine stealing the intellectual property of maverick to create a propaganda and home. >> laura: the problem here for the united states is that most of the planes technology, the supercomputing technology for the munitions and so forth, that's all stolen from the united states. whether intellectual property rights or the theme of maverick or the actual weaponry itself. of most of came from us. >> the chinese are focused on paper patriotism and preparing people for the battle to come. >> laura: we were finding that

the pentagon does not believe we have the industrial base to support a war with china. they are laying the groundwork for if biden wins, we will get along with the chinese because we are out. >> he said we are managing the competition with china, this is no competition. this is an adversary. >> laura: great to have you with us. a bombshell report revealing what could be the biggest cover-up in world history. sounds hyperbolic, guess what? was covid born out of chinese efforts to build a bio weapon? one that you helped to fund a? you will come of the american people h us.nt stay wit .♪ ♪ i needed something to help me gain clarity. so i was in the pharmacy and i saw a display of prevagen and i asked the pharmacist about it. i started taking prevagen and i noticed that i had more cognitive clarity. memory is better.

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♪ ♪ >> laura: now, this story should be the biggest news on the planet, but it is not. why is this? it's because it implicates the u.s. medical establishment and the global medical establishment and perpetuating potentially the biggest cover-up in world history. now, let's go back to february 18th, 2020, when dr. anthony fauci came on the show and tried to convince all of you that china was operating in good faith at the beginning of the pandemic. >> laura, let me explain, the chinese scientists we have dealt

with, i've dealt with myself personally if not for years, decades. i have faith they are not distorting things. >> laura: you're satisfied with all of the transparency coming out of china today about the trajectory of the disease and the origin of the disease? >> i cannot say i'm satisfied with every single bit of information, but i can tell you in my direct interaction with chinese scientists and chinese health officials, that i can believe what they are telling me. >> laura: well, of course "the angle" was right not to trust china from the start and a brand-new investigation from the sunday times reveals what we expected all along. that this was man-made. scientists in wuhan working alongside the chinese military were coming the world's most deadly coronavirus is to create a new mutant virus just as the pandemic began. u.s. investigators say the chinese military was funding these pursuits in the search of a bio weapon.

they were working on a vaccine before the pandemic began. if a country could inoculate the population against its own secret virus, it might have a weapon to shift the balance of world power. joining me now, jimmy metal, former member of the w.h.o. expert advisory committee on human genome editing and also the founder and share of one shared world. dr. stephen quaid, physician, scientist, author of origin of the virus. it lets start with you and you came on with us during the pandemic a lot. but like me, you probably are not surprised of yet another report confirming the lab leak origin, but what about the stated goal of the research by the chinese themselves in this new bombshell? >> welcome a laura, i'm not at all surprised of course that the circumstantial evidence continues to weigh heavily in the direction of the research

related origin for covid-19. as you and i have believed for a very long time. i'm also not surprised that to learn that there is a lot of work happening at the wuhan institute of virology. some by civilian authorities and may be those were scientists that dr. fauci interacted with the aerated but it also looks increasingly like there were military authorities engaged in military scientists engaged in secret activities and it looks more and more like there was an accident followed by a criminal cover-up. that is why these allegations that this is just something that came randomly out of nature are increasingly absurd and need to keep deegan to get to the right answer. but all the evidence is leaning toward the research related origins. >> laura: here's what the times uncovered about the experiments on mice with nonhuman logs.

scientists selected the viruses by mixing it with wv one which had been shown to infect human cells. they were injected into mice with human lungs. the mutant virus killed 75% of the rodents and three times as lethal as the original. scientists had created a highly infectious super coronavirus with a terrifying kill rate in all probability would never have emerged in nature. doctor, give us your reaction and unpack that for us. what happened here and why the campaign to dissuade anyone from thinking this was man-made was so disingenuous from the star given what we now see? >> look, i would leave it to jamie to talk about the politics of this. i'm going to talk about the genetics of the virus itself. one of the most striking features is the protein in sars that causes a symptomatic

transmission and suppresses the immune system and makes it hard to form antibodies against it. those kind of re- church activities are typically not civilian civilian research activities. it's quite remarkable of the virus would have properties that are unusual and look like they came from synthetic experiments. that would lead to such important bio weapon like characteristics. >> laura: at this point, doctor, we see this idea that the kill rate would be so high, and yet we were in part funding the research through these sub-grants for the eco-health alliance. it looks like money was used in wuhan and we do not know exactly how fungible it was but the gain-of-function research that was being done and everybody now knows. that was in part funded with u.s. tax dollars it looks like. >> that's correct. >> laura: if that's true, how

significant is that? >> it significant it came from the u.s. and when they give them money, they asked to have guardrails around the research and said what stop what you're doing and get back to us if you produce a virus that is ten times more lethal. we now know that the virus exceeded that by 10,000. about 1,000 fold higher than that and they did not stop experimenting and they did not tell nih about that until much later in the process. i think there are some important investigations that need to be done. >> laura: now, we are going to have much more of the interview tomorrow night and we will talk about the ongoing experiments in wuhan that are happening right now and why they could actually lead to civilization ending pandemics. i kid you not. i'm next, a major league pitcher shows us what it means to stand up for your beliefs, really stand out. "the last bite" explains. ♪ ♪

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