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over things like migrant flights and the threat to throw him in jail. desantis thinks it's time for gavin to man up and get into the race for the white house. >> you know what? stop pussyfooting around. are you going to throw your hat in the ring and challenge joe? are you going to get in and do it or sit on the sidelines and chirp into throw your hat in the ring and then we'll talk about what is happening. >> i guess gavin likes being on the sidelines. here he is repeatedly ruling out a white house run. >> are you considering running for president in 2024 or 2028? >> no. not at all. it's not my ambition. it's not the direction that i'm leaning into. >> how many times does your phone ping a day of people saying you need to get in this race. >> i see where you're going. >> i'm asking. >> i'm not answering.

>> that doesn't mean that newsome would not relish the chance to debate his faux. >> you would do a two hour debate with desantis? >> i would do three, on a day notice, with no notes. i look forward to that. >> i'm just dieing to see a four-hour debate between gavin newsome and ron desantis. i always listen to politician's words very closely. he said it is not my ambition. it's not the way i'm leaning right now. that could change at any moment, right? i think a lot of people wonder if he might do a lyndon johnson. the signs are not in that direction right now. i think there is every reason to think that is a possibility. i think in some ways this is good for ron desantis because it draws him out. i talk to a lot of people that

say where is he? they want to know where he is not out there more. not doing more interviews. i know he spent time in iowa and new hampshire and that work is important to do, but i think a lot of folks like to see him drawn out and the donald trump issues sucked the oxygen out of the room, which happens all of the time, right? but he needs to find his way to get in and make his mark in provided him an opening to get in the conversation. >> you know, greg, what do you think would be more interesting? a three-hour debate between desantis and newsome and watching that or joe biden going into a debate with donald trump? >> this is a good question in is like a boxing bill, right? the lower card, the under card. big boxing fan, greg gutfeld.

you have gavin newsome versus ron desantis, but it's really about the toll card which is joe versus a volcano, but ron is being honest about it. he threw his hair in the ring, but gavin is pretending that he is not running for president, he is all glory, no hole as we like to say, but gavin is defective that he is running for president, he managed to run for president without declaring he is running for president. he is definitely not governing california. none of this has to do with california. who is running california? it is just like joe with the united states, who is running it? it is really strange. i don't think democrats actually run anything they're in charge of if is clear that he is on a pr crusade to erase any flaws or

obstacles that will show up next year and around february 2024 you'll see when joe drops out, gavin will step in with the my pillow, and then he will -- >> thanks. >> and that undercard, what do you think? do you think joe will drop out? >> i think gutfedl needs a drink and ribs. but gavin's wife talked about something that happened very tragic between her and her sister. her sister died and it is a very sad situation. it's like get this out because we're getting ready to run. >> gavin is not going to primary joe biden. they're going to make gavin newsome the heir apparent. he just has to attack desantis. it doesn't matter about trump,

biden has that covered, he is arresting him. they need to run up desantis's negatives right now. it never looked good when joe biden attacked desantis. joe was old looking, desantis was young and competent looking. so they're sending a younger more liberal guy out there and let's attack him on issues that joe can't handle. i'm graduation and trans. that seems to be the issues. de esantis is attacking newsome and not joe biden. pussyfooting around it a great line. i'm glad he used it, and he use it'd in a humorous and casual way. he said this guy is obsessed with me. he just dismissed him. but they're on a collision course. you a big governor and a big

state, thank you young, nice looking families, energetic, combative, and sooner or later they will rip each other's faces off. >> given what is going on right now, richard, with comer, the house, and the unclassified 1023 and now allegedly tapes in addition to all of the money flowing into the biden family, is there a chance that bide listen step down and this is part of a bigger plan? >> i don't think so at all. in an interview he said he wasn't sure if the tapes were legitimate or not. >> do you think he has to listen to them? >> i don't know what comer is doing. >> he couldn't get it. >> if they had the evidence they would have had a hearing. >> wait, he just got it from christopher ray. >> all he does is television interviews and he has not had a

hearing yet. back to newsom and desantis, the one dumping on desantis is donald trump. it seems to be working to martha's point, no one knows where he is. i think in this clip here, ron was signing the state's budget and you find out he is in-fighting with trump again. he signed a $20,000 investment in the nursing section. he also approved money for opioid treatments. he wants to make the fight between him and gavin newsom, but it seems like desantis seems more like he is trying to win

this primary. >> why is everybody moving to florida. >> i'm talking about the polls. >> i'm talking about people moving with their feet, not the polls. >> well then i will. >> sure. >> right now he is running for president of the united states and he is losing to donald trump by 20 points in the last pole. 30? even worse. you spend so much time talking about drag queens maybe he wants to be one. he talks about what they should do, where they should perform -- >> this is such an old argument. it's like someone introduces an idea that maybe you debate. why are you so obsessed with it. >> i prosecuted pedophiles my whole life -- >> that is different. i was obsessed because i hated what they did. >> i think a drag queen and a

pedophile is two totally different things. but the idea of -- >> who said what? >> i don't think you -- okay, coming up next, i don't think you should be accusing anybody. >> anybody of what? >> i don't know what you're talking about. >> everybody knows. >> what? okay. coming up next, barack obama thinks liberals are a bunch of snowflakes.

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are you booing billy joel? >> someone has to. >> no no. former president barack obama is scolding liberals who don't like it when journalists ask tough questions, watch. >> we have tended, at times, on the progressive side to tip into a scolding social etiquette police and virtue signalling.

there is times when reporters are asking questions that don't fit the accepted narrative, or are inconvenient for progressives around certain issues. and just by raising the question, or pointing out facts that don't fit the neat narrative, we'll jump on them and say why are you aiding those attacking us. and i do think that it is important for us to not fall into that trap. >> but it looks like president biden is not taking the advice of his former boss. look at what happened when biden was asked this inconvenient question. >> why is that -- >> why do you ask such a dumb question? >> richard, what kind of warning is former president obama sending to the president and to

his own party about the way that they are shutting people down if they don't like the narrative or the question being asked? >> i think this was a good episode and a good chance to listen to the president. throughout the episode he talks about this ideal of the entire political system and how we are all engaged in this polarization where we listen to the loudest folks in the world and forget the middle. i think this particular clip that he is talking about, i think joe biden's answer could have been look, my son is a private citizen. the house oversight committee says they have this evidence. i urge them if they have it to have a hearing. >> you could have said of course i'm the big guy, can't you tell? >> i think there is a lot of conjecture. there is more time on television than in hearing room.

i think the president had an opportunity to clear this hot. we'll come down here, we'll testify, and -- >> that is a whole other story. they're not touching it, so they're never going to get to that because they can't get their hands on the evidence because the laptops have been sitting there for years and it is comfortably on the back burner. >> we have seen this movie playout before. this happened a few years ago. risk went down there and testified for 17 hours and nothing came up. >> of course. >> she did all of this stuff, 17 hours, and she testified. >> and the truth started to come out. my point here is that if they have the evidence, send out some subpoenas and have a hearing, the end. >> it made me think of the moment this week when jean pierre just shut down this ewtn

reporter that said what do you say to parents concerned about near daughters playing sports with biological males. one girl got a concussion playing volleyball with a biological boy. >> the democrats are pleaing reporters and now they're scared to ask questions, and if you're scared and you're working you get hurt, that what's they say in football. when you play scared you get injured. all of these reporters are 30 years old, looking for friends, trying to build a career. if you're getting os -- ostracized. one second, we'll get to the hearingings but right now we're

doing depositions and subpoenas. it is difficult when there is a cover up at the highest level. you didn't see the six million they took from china they lied about? let me finish. joe biden and barack obama have to understand this democrats are not fun any more. obama is a guy -- guys don't get offended around other guys, it's when the girls come around. then we are offended so we look sensitive. michelle said the same thing, our daughters and friends are annoying. if we say indian instead of native american, you can't even have these people at your company any more. they'll throw you a lawsuit, a hr complaint, they'll budlight you. it's nerve racking and now people are offended on behalf of the minorities. it's a liberal white woman who is offended on their behalf.

richard and i are respectful enough toward each other, but richard is not offended by me and i'm not offended by richard. i don't think he wants to speech police me. he probably wants police reform. he probably cares about policy. >> but you're speaking for me. >> you can't even talk policy with democrats because if you say illegal alien instead of undocumented -- >> you critique liberal white women and you're speaking for me. >> so it also shuts down the reporter, he never got an toons his question. he just got shut up. he was basically just told shut up. >> i think it is rich for barack obama, the president who created this division between the press and the white house, when he started treasuring fox news and conservatives in his time as

president to come out and say, you know, they should not this. i'm happy he came out and said it, i really am, but why is he saying it? is it a message to joe like joe get off of the stage? joe you're being ridiculous? i don't know what his motivation is. there is a reason he did this. >> he may be sending the message. >> at some point we'll figure out what the reason is, but getting joe off of the stage is what i think ultimately they all want to do. i think they recognize that the democrats are vulnerable with joe as a candidate. who knows what they will come up with. and you can say yeah yeah, subpoena them, they won't even answer a question. joe is so out of control. that's a lot of malarky. that's a dumbass question. this one is a pain in the neck. if you get close to an issue that discusses or touches upon

his international contacts through his son and the money that comes in or the big guy, that's when he shuts everything down. there no way he will talk about any of that. by the way. 53% of those who voted said they would have changed their vote, who voted for biden, who would have changed their vote if they knew about the big guy. along with his head of the fbi that would not let out an 1023 that is an unclassified document -- >> he is still there under joe biden. he works for joe biden and he will not let -- he did not want to let it out until they threatened to hold him in contempt of court. that has all of the information they need to get to the rest of the nine banks and an insurance policy by the president of burisma saying you got $5 million from me, you better deliver that policy.

>> yes, do you have a question for me? i would be interested in a question. >> what do you think president obama is getting out here? why is he calling out his own party for shaming people if they're not on the same page. >> this is an excellent question. there is a subtlety to this. he acknowledged that they're all on the same side. that the press and the party are on the same side. and if you just give them a little slack it will look better, right? let them look like they're doing their job, but he says we tend to virtue signal. it is not a lot, but you have to take it, right? thank you, that is good. he under estimates the problem. the signal and the aggression is the only web that the democrats

use these days. maybe you're secretly a drag queen, who knows. don't gay shame people here, and he should talk to his old vp that is deep in the wounds. he is supposed to unite the country. i would love for joe biden to finally say this issue, fill in the blank, is not about race. he will never say that. either because he is incapable of completing a full sentence or he is not allowed to say that. when he was talking about the train over the indian ocean. it better not go any further, i might get in trouble, he told on himself. he is not in control of his words. at least obama, i wish he would be more forceful about this.

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like hands. >> i think it is a big concern and that's why i left twitter. i'm looking forward to this, i'm tired of being sexy. do you know what it is like to look like this? it is disgusting, judge. you have to understand that i i'm brace homelyness. i want to be fat and ugly so i can be alone with my little dog. this makes sense, we're evolutionary creatures, we're influenced by our environment over time why keep breeding r rugid creatures. you see it happening. you see it in the elevators, you see the women, you see the women in the elevator, holding their phones like this. their head and neck is cranked

like this. their head is tilted. they look like this. this is every woman coming out of the elevator, right? >> i see plenty of men hunched over and jesse has constant fear of tech neck. >> you can do a better jesse. greg says he believes in evolution, what do you think? >> i don't know what to think. since the pandemic, 55% of the people at work say they're willing to work remotely and take a cut in pay. that means to me they're lazier. the problem with working remotely is everyone looks like a slob. they ware their pajamas on the

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times, and they hold too many formal meetings and they use outdated language. let's start. >> it is fair play. we did countless segments. so it is about time they get their fair share but, you know, just remember if you're young now you'll get old. if you're lucky you'll look like this. if you're unlucky you'll look like jesse. that's all i have to say. >> end on a mocking of me, that is great. my name was brought up. >> go ahead. we don't want tech neck and we don't want to look like elderly.

we use outdated language because it is easier. >> i don't like it when younger people complain at work. it is like you're too this or that, bhab they should show up at the office and learn something by being around people that have been doing it a long time. i try to think of the answer first before i start googling. no no, i think i can remember if you just give me a second. >> i like what judge said. you only keep them around here because they're cute. you remember when you said that. >> yes, and let me tell you i'm a baby boomer. i call when i'm not supposed to call. i reply all on the e-mails, guilty. okay, direct, oh, and apparently they say that the boomers say good morning, good day, good night, not guilty, i just get

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did you notice the reason why cvs standing for that is they were so lazy they wrote that down on a cocktail napkin, and it reflects the nature of all of these drugstores in america that are all plain, unimaginative. when you wac in there is nothing more depressive than a walgreens or a cvs, clean up your act, be part of where you work. they need to add an exclamation point. >> jokes aside, they had two names because there was cvs store that's did not have pharmacies. they sold sundries, health and beauty supplies. >> i like that there is fun stuff in the aisles, but you know, cvs, you know what i hate? checking out myself and scanning

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totally freaked me out. >> that person was john wayne gacy. >> in the third grade i read "number in the stars" and i thought the nazis were coming to get me. >> i went down a wooden slide once, and i had to go to the hospital because ouch ouch ouch. >> a wooden slide? >> yeah, you know -- go to hell all of you. >> upstate new york had wooden slides. >> i'm trying to think of what irrational thing were you scared of as a child? >> guns. >> so irrational, right? >> what section do you hit first while grocery shopping? okay, judge. >> fruits and vegetables. >> why? >> to get the best ones. they die sooner. >> no, it's because i want to.

>> fruits and vegetables overrated? >> i'm a cook, guy to fruits and vegetables first. >> you people don't understand. you don't understand. do you know what a store is? you walk in and it's all separated. >> emma tells me the fruits and vegetables are right away. the first thing when you walk in is where i go. you go right to the meat, milk, and eggs. >> sometimes i take a raw pound of chuck and smear it on my chest. >> when you walk in it steers you right into bakery and d dell -- deli. >> i have been doing these cinnabuns late at night. >> what was your favorite book growing up? >> "little women." >> "boxcar children."

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kids lo me. but i actually found the first video game. it's called snakes and squares. and this is amazing game. you can play it at home. it's a -- what you do is you get some brick and you get like a snake. >> dana: what kind of snake is that? >> greg: the first video game was actually on a flip phone. >> judge jeanine: that's disgusting. >> greg: i'm tired of you offending my snakes. >> judge jeanine: okay. i'm going to take my turn next. in case you are wondering where i was yesterday i was in arizona shooting something for fox nation, when i say shooting i mean shooting. >> jesse: so was alex baldwin. >> judge jeanine: there we are. >> dana: that is awesome. >> judge jeanine: you will see it on fox nation. it was great. archery, haven't done it in years and it was fun. well, that's enough. i just wanted them to see me with the archery. jesse, hit it. >> jesse: i'm going to wish my dad a happy father's day today

so i don't get are forget on monday. celebrating the eagle's super bowl victory there. you see where i got my sense of style? >> judge jeanine: no. >> jesse: there he is at the top of the city and there in maine. see you there in august. happy father's day, dad. tomi, lehner, curt schilling. >> emily compagno and aubrey marcus tonight at 7:00. you are in for the day, richard? >> richard: all right, all right. last week my sister got married. married the love of her life in virginia. they met in elementary school, y'all. and they met second grade. and it took them years to finally make an official couple. finally they became official june -- july 4th, 2017. >> greg: that's amazing. could you imagine marrying somebody from second grade? >> jesse: there is laws against that. >> greg: tell me about it. second grade. theyen weren't cute back then. they were kids.

>> richard: beautiful wedding last weekend. i was there along with the rest of my family. congrats to char crean and kareem they are honeymooning. >> jesse: i love that their names rhyme charlene and kareem. >> greg: that doesn't rhyme. >> jesse: yes it does. charlene and kareem? eem. can are you deaf? >> martha: summer camp. all the things can you teach your kids. talking about covid and spending so much time at home. learn how to do these things, make your bed, how to water things. clean up. it sounds like a lot of fun. >> judge jeanine: how old is it. >> greg: is this a camp for stupid kids? >> martha: they're little 6 years old and 3 years old. >> judge jeanine: 3 years old.

>> martha: started this camp to help kids. jean that's child labor. >> martha: keeps them off their phone all summer long. >> judge jeanine: let them play outside. anything you want to say, greg? >> greg: just i'm going to go home. >> jesse: he has said enough. >> judge jeanine: that's it for us. we will see you on monday have. great weekend. and. >> bret: welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. the verdict is in for the gunman who carried out the deadliest anti-semitic attack in u.s. history. a bipartisan group of lawmakers working together to protect critical u.s. infrastructure in the wake of a major cyberattack. and a house republican again seeks punishment for democratic congressman adam schiff over the trump-russia probe. ♪ ♪ >> bret: tonight in our democracy 24 report better late than never for president biden as he prepares to hit th