>> secretary of state antony blinken headed to beijing today for a trip that was delayed for months after a chinese surveillance balloon was shot down in american air space. the secretary is set to meet with senior officials during his visit in hopes of easing rising tensions with china. welcome to fox news live i'm aishah hasnie. griff: i'm griff jenkins. and explaining one of these

during the visit assuring that u.s. and china don't veer into conflict. lucas tomlinson is ticking things off for us, hey, lucas. >> ahead of the trip to china, proib president biden appearing to downplay the chinese balloon on the week long odyssey across the country. including flying over american nuclear missile bases. >> i don't think the leadership knew where it was and knew what was in it and knew what was going on. i think it was more embarrassing than it was intentional. >> and as aishah mentioned, antony blinken departing last night for beijing months after canceled abruptly after the spy balloon. the first visit by a secretary of state to china in more than five years. >> intense competition requires sustained diplomacy to assure that competition does not veer into confrontation or conflict

and that's what the world expects of united states and china. >> blinken's trip to china comes after recent provocations in addition to the spy balloon. remember the air force jet that was buzzed in the south china sea and the missile destroyer. and the white house accusing china of spying on the u.s. from the communist island of cuba. biden's defense secretary was recently snubbed by the chinese counterpart during a trip to singapore. some republicans want to see a more muscular china policy. >> i think it's important for us to have conversation or adversaries to lower the temperature, so to speak, but we can do that best from a position of strength. i think there's a perception that the biden administration has been weak when it comes to china. >> ahead of blinken touching down, a number of american

businessmen arrived in china, including bill gates, to meet with xi jinping. he told him, you're the first american friend that i've met with this year. we're not clear if he'll be meeting with the chinese premier. >> we're joined by mark montgomery, the senior foundation for defending democracies. welcome to the show. there are some national security experts out there, admiral, that feel that beijing is in the position of power in this meeting, that they have the leverage. and republicans out there don't like this as well. they say it shows a sign of weakness. how do you make this? >> well, first, thank you for having me, aishah and i think your question really hits the mark there. you have to be worried about a policy that advocates for engagement like this headed over to china without hoding them accountable for a series

of inappropriate behaviors. your reporter mentioned the spy balloon case where i have to disagree with the president, the idea that they did not know they were sending over air bases might be ridiculous. he maybe projecting his own not knowing what's going on to president xi. he knew what they were doing with the fighter jet in front of ours and what they were doing we theirs cut in front of the u.s.s. destroyer. and someone who repeatedly operates inappropriately without holding them accountable. >> why do you think that china is apparently getting away from it all. and reminding what they did with the fighter jets for our viewers, and spy balloon, and confirmation from the white house that they have this spying activities out of cuba.

you know, right here in our back yard. why does this administration conti continuously allow china to get away with this? >> first of all, you're right, this is not how you speak with someone or your child, you don't overlook the bad behavior and reward them. that's what we're doing here. we're going over and reengaging after the behavior. you mentioned the spy base, that's an important one. the administration first denied the existence of the base and tried to blame it on the trump administration. this isn't about the biden or trump administrations, it's about china coming into our back yard and establishing, you know, more aggressive and more capable spying facilities on our east coast. again, you know, engagement without accountability is rewarding chinese bad behavior and i think we're going to come to regret it if we don't hold

them accountable. >> i think it's very apparent from our national security folks, china is trying to sideline the u.s. in foreign affairs, we see that in the mideast, and ukraine, getting cozy with russia. how do we thread the needle here? we don't want a war with this country, but how do we show them strength and at the same time make sure that we're not leaning into something that we don't want to be a part of. >> that's an excellent question. i just spent the last week in taiwan meeting with their senior officials that are are-- a group of us met, and what we're doing is preparing ourselves and preparing our allies and partners, showing a strong deterrent front, demonstrating to the chinese, if you act inappropriately we're both capable and have a credible belief that we will do something to prevent your

actions, so, building up a deterrent capacity should actually be the first step in this to demonstrate to the chinese that we're serious, that our allies and partners like japan, australia and taiwan are serious. if you do that first then your ingaugement goes much smoother. >> we'll see how the secretary of state handles this, that's the elephant in the room during these meetings. thank you for joining us. >> thank you very much. griff: for more reaction to the tension was china and how they're playing into campaign 2024, we're joined by vivek ramaswamy. thank you for taking time and let's get your reaction immediately here to the blinken trip and now we're learning that president biden saying today that he believes that spy balloon that traversed the length and breadth of some of our most sensitive nuclear

missile sites, that he believes it was more embarrassing than intentional. your reaction? >> look, there's little doubt that if that had been a russian spy balloon travelling over half the united states we would have shot it down and ratcheted up sanctions instantly. the reason we didn't do it for china, frankly we're frightened, we're dependent on china economically for our modern way of life. that's the reality. i'd say as president, the top for china is economic independence. china is testing us day by day, i believe the spy balloon is more likely to be intentional than accidental. see what they're doing in the south china sea and the spy base reportedly built in cuba and they're sensing our weakness and we need to project strength. the first thing we need to do to project strength is declare economic independence.

which is part of my policy. griff: and how would that differ from the past policies of the trump administration? >> so the number one objective for me is separating russia from the alliance that it has with china. that's the number one threat that we face as the u.s. today. so, i would actually end the ukraine war specifically on terms that would require putin to exit that military alliance with china, with that xi jinping no longer has the confidence to go after taiwan because his bet the u.s. won't want to go to war with china and russia at once. if we pull russia out of that alliance we deter china from going after taiwan. one difference from president biden, i would re-enter some of those trade relationships with japan, south korea, southeast asia, australia, because that puts us in an even stronger position to actually declare economic independence from china, so when i'm sitting across the table from xi jinping we're going to cut the cord economically, he'll know

that i'm it because we have the hand that we can play, which is stronger if we're partnered with other allies around the pacific. griff: vivek, what do you make of the fact that bill gates is talking with president xi and this is secretary blinken's first visit of any administration official to china? >> what i make it is that china recognizes, u.s. companies are pawns, foot soldiers in their game of strength versus the u.s. whether it's bill gates, whether it's larry fink or jamie dimon or elon musk. china recognized that u.s. companies will jump if xi jinping says jump, they'll say how high. the question is they're using access to the chinese market as a carrot to get u.s. companies at least on their side, if not neutral. that's why i think we need to declare economic independence, totally decoupling from china, in a strong position to think on the time scales of history rather than quarterly earnings

reports or election cycles. keep in mind we never depended on the u.s.s. r for our modern way of life and we do for china and that makes this threat unique and i'm going to set our economic and foreign policy accordingly and protects america short run and long run over the top threat, which is chinese independence. griff: and former president obama is attacking to nikki haley and tim scott. listen a little to president trump's comments. >> i think there's a long history of african-american or other minority candidates within the republican party who will validate americans, say everything is great and we can all make it. griff: your reaction? >> so look, i actually spoke

out against obama's comments on behalf of tim scott, nikki haley and frankly myself in this race. there's a toxic philosophy on the left. i describe this in my book "woke inc." several years ago, the color of your skin predicts what you're allowed to say about this country, that you can't say systemic racism doesn't exist if you have black or brown skin. congresswoman ayanna pressley of the squad summarized, we don't want any more black faces that don't project a black voice. i reject that dogma, based on the color of someone's skin, that's racism and psychological slavery, and i reject that saying that each of us can speak independently and frankly i was disappointed in barack obama. i think he sets a poor example for the country when he tells us we can't think independently regardless of the color of your

skin. and i probably don't go to presley's definition of a brown voice, but to speak openly on my part, i do that the rest of this campaign trail and i think it's unifying for the country. griff: you've talked a lot about this. do you believe that we as a nation obsess too much about diversity itself? >> i think we do. our diversity is not our strength. our strength is what unites us across that diversity, that's what makes america great. and i tell you, i'm 37 years old, i'm the first millennial ever to run for u.s. president as a republican. i grew up into a generation that taught us to celebrate our diversity so much that we forgot all of the ways we're really the same as americans. we say eplur business unum for a reason. it means from many one. that's the dream i'm running to revive and i think most americans still share that vision we just need to have the courage to say it out loud and revive it. that's what we're doing on this

campaign. griff: well, you're talking about running to get the nomination you and i ran into each other in miami outside of courthouse this week and i put to you the same question i did then, and how do you intend to rise to the actual nomination when you, and some of the other candidates, are really just supporting the front runner, who has multiple double double digit lead in the polls? >> i'm supporting the american people against the overreaching administrative police state in this country. that's a great threat to liberty and if they can do it to trump, they can do it to anybody. that's who i'm standing for. i stand against two standards of justice, one for antifa, one for peaceful protesters, one for julian assange, one for chelsea manning and one for biden. >> do you believe that some of the charges against former president trump are indeed

serious and could be devastating to him personally? >> i think the charges are politicized. however, i would have made different judgments than trump did. bad judgment is not the same thing as a crime, but i'm in the race for a reason. we have to stop looking back at retroactive grievances and moving forward as a country. stop running from something. we've got to start running to something. and that's what i'm leading and you want to talk about a path to the nomination, it starts on the debate stage. i'm looking forward for the debates in august, start to this fall. i'm polling where trump was, and i'm speaking in a way that unrestrained and i think the debate stage is a crucial catalyst for the stage. even though i'm running for the nomination and easier for me if trump were eliminated i stand against that type of federal police state corruption.

the with an i i'm going to win this election is convincing the citizens of this country that i'm the best candidate to take this forward not by eliminating my competition. griff: vivek ramaswamy, i look forward to your campaign and hope you make it to the debate stage. >> we'll be on there, thank you. >> the race for the white house heating up and today for the democrats, too, live images from philadelphia where president biden is soon expected to speak at his first 2024 campaign rally. comes more than 50 days after he announced his reelection campaign. the president's reelection rally from lagging poll numbers and growing concerns tied to his age. alexandria hoff is live for us, and all the details on what we can expect. hi. >> earlier as the rallies were taking place, the president was up in the sky surveying damage

caused by last sunday's tanker crash, that deadly crash that led to the closure of i-95 and northeast philadelphia. even as the president is in town holding the first rally of his reelection campaign, that travel catastrophe locally has still been the center of attention so right now what's happening is a temporary structure is being installed while more permanent fix can be constructed there. and minutes ago, the president provided an update how they're aiding in the reconstruction efforts. the president's appeal to union workers will be here in philadelphia. it's hosted by the afl-cio which handed the biden-harris team their earliest endorsement in history. the president and first lady will address this room of workers around 2:15. >> the only reason we're going to philadelphia, it's my

wedding anniversary and i figure my philly girl, we'll go to philly. you can smile, it's okay. it's a lousy joke. the reason i'm excited about today is just like what we did last week with the environmental group, i think i'm told this is the first time ever this early that every single union has enforced me. i've been told that's never happened before. >> so there are about 6 0 unions within the afl-cio, it's a powerful collective. they don't always vote as a block. saw that in 2016 and 2012. you have poll numbers to contend with. the president has to focus on that. the campaign rallies as they continue, the messaging is going to have to be clear. as the president was in connecticut, one line, that was

not clear at all. take a listen. >> all right, god save the queen, man. >> all right, yeah, he said god save the queen. the queen passed away last year and the white house explained that the president was speaking to somebody else off stage. the president was asked today, aishah, if he thinks this contest is going to get nasty. he says it depend who the nominee is, presumably speaking about the other side. >> interesting comment about the queen. alex hoff live in philadelphia. we'll touch base with you once the president takes the stage, thank you. griff: did you see this? thousands of protesters gathered outside dodgers stadium in los angeles to protest the team's decision to honor a group of men who dress in drag as nuns and are accused of anti-catholic rhetoric and actions. the details next. i brought in ensure max protein with 30g of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks. uh...

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low monthly payment financing. >> the dodgers are facing backlash for celebrating their pride night with the sisters of perpetual indulgence last night. and thousands of protesters were outside the stadium blocking the entrance. >> claudia cowan has the details on the fallout.

>> weeks of controversy for the dodgers came to an end with thousands protesting outside the stadium and relatively few people inside to witness the ceremony that sparked the uproar in the first place. the previously disinvited, but reinvited lgbtq plus group of satirical nuns were honored with the team's community hero award, but handed out an hour before the first pitch for safety reasons, the dodgers said, and just two of the nuns were on the field while very few fans were in their seats. >> but outside the stadium, take a look at the video. 2,000 protesters, including fans and people of faith, were very upset this group was being honored. not because of their charitable work, but because of the sisters flamboyant outfits and

makeup that many catholics feel mock not only nuns, but religion itself and some calling it outright blasphemy. the l.a. archbishop held a mass to quote, heal the harm caused by the dodgers. a smaller group counter protests and they say they're target for homophobic attacks. >> these are not just i love jesus people. these are people who are fighting for our future. a one-sided genocide against all the people they hate, against lgbtq people and in in a blue state, drag queens dressed up as nuns, this is what happens? like this is atrocious. >> the protests were peaceful. there were no arrests a meanwhile, the dodgers will be holding christian faith and family day on july 30th. an event they've held in the past, but not since the pandemic and for those who came out for the baseball, a bit of disappointment for dodgers fans, the dodgers loss the first of three games to their

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>> a new video is surfacing of the woman who alleges that ufc superstar conor mcgregor sexually assaulted her at a nba finals game. reportedly showing the woman and mcgreggor together shortly after the alleged attack. cb cotton is live with the new details of the video. what do you see. >> they show a video showing mcgreggor and the woman 30

minutes after she alleges she was sexually assaulted by him. and this was on the heels of a previous one obtained by tmz, saying it shows mcgreggor leading the woman into the bathroom where the alleged sexual assault occurred. woman's attorney telling that her client has always maintained that would be videos of before and after the alleged incident adding in part about the latest video. this again is another video that supports what my client has been saying and supports what she told police since the inception of this incident. mcgreggor and his attorney have repeatedly denied the woman's claims that she was sexually assaulted. and telling that the woman's story keeps changing and the latest video reinforces mcgreggor's denial. and new york post with demand letters, seeking settlements with the miami heat and mcgreggor. both the miami heat and the

police are investigating. and back in 2018, mcgreggor was accused of raping a woman in his native ireland. they investigated, but declined to pursue criminal charges and at the time telling the new york times, the allegations were quote, categorically rejected and the woman did later sue. aishah. aishah: cb cotton live for us. thank you, cb. so the federal reserve decided to not raise interest rates this week, but warning that more hikes could be on the horizon. if inflation doesn't cool. for more on this, we're joined by president and ceo of the job creators network, alfredo ortiz. thank you for joining us on your saturday. >> absolutely, thank you for having me. >> let's dig into this report because it shows that inflation, at least the rate, is cooling, it cooled in may, but the core inflation number, that's the one to look at. .4%, still up more than 5% from last year. so, what it means is really, at home, we're still feeling it.

>> yeah, absolutely, aishah. i have to read a headline from the babylon bee that describes what is going on. biden brags he's destroying the economy at slightly slower rates than before. aishah: by the way, that's satire so our audience knows. >> that's right, that's right. and it's one of those things that really, i mean, he has nothing to crow about. when you think about what's happened over the past two years, inflation is actually still up 15% and in some cases like food prices, we're up 20%, so, yes, the rate of increase has come down, but we're still in a position where consumers are hurting and small businesses are worrying about access to credit because the federal reserve has increased the interest rates over the past year by over five points. aishah: let's quickly pull up how inflation affected food prices, 5.8%. we feel it in meant as well,

personal care products there. you know, alfredo, some economists believe what is leading to higher prices not inflation, but what they're calling greed-flation where companies are raising prices for profit. is that what's going on? >> aishah, look, the reason we're in the position we're in is because of the fateful day one of the biden administration to attack our energy production. he disrupted the global energy market by doing so and that's the root cause of where we started getting the inflation from. and so, frankly, an easy way to start addressing this, outside of just increasing interest rates by the federal reserve, is really to start drilling domestically and get our energy production back to the point where we're a net exporter. that's one of the biggest ways that we can fix this issue, but overall, we're here because of the crazy domestic spending

that the democrats have put over the past few years on the overall economy. aishah: alfredo, let me ask you the final questions with 30 seconds left. obviously, the fed is not going to raise interest rates anytime soon. >> right. aishah: that doesn't mean we might not see that happen again. is that any indication we might be able to avoid a recession and hit soft landing instead? >> look, the federal reserve is doing a decent job trying to get to the soft landing, but i still expect, aishah, that we're going to have some kind of recession because i'm concerned about the consumer, first of all, which has record high debt, almost a trillion dollars on their credit cards now, and small businesses, they can't access credit and two-thirds of new job growth is in the hands of small businesses. if they're not feeling great about the economy, they're not going to be hiring people. aishah: alfredo ortiz, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. griff: ukrainian military officials say their troops are making advances on russian-held

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correspondent greg palkot is live on the ground. >> yes, griff, there are several movements on the fronts. missile targets. and today in the eastern city of kharkiv, two people were killed after russian shelling. the guy responsible for this all, vladimir putin, he's in a conference in st. petersburg today, talking about tactical nuclear weapons he's now transferring to the neighboring country of belarus. he's basically saying he won't use them unless he has to. and yes, ukraine's counter offensive against russia, on villages, admits progress is slow and the enemy is dug in. the human cost is very high. take a look at what we saw and heard near here. the ukraine war continues, many soldiers victim of harm, like in april a mine blew, hitting him with shrapnel.

>> it still hurts a bit. >> and last november, a blast struck his jaw and legs. >> it was close fighting in the trenches. >> in common, the will to get better. they and others at a rehabilitation center outside of kyiv funded by the u.s. based charity revive ukraine. headed by ukrainian born irena, she came to the u.s. as an athlete and later started the group of amputees and paralyzed soldiers to the united states and now she's back home. >> we've got a great team of rehabilitation specialists. >> why is she doing this. >> i feel obligated and owe this people for what they're doing for my country. >> there's a strong desire of many to get back in the fight. >> hopefully i can get my hand better and then be able to go back. >> is it worth it and will russia be defeated? >> i have no doubt about that.

>> i know, griff, that you've been here, too, and you've chronicled these tales and truly profiles in courage and a strong american supporter as well. griff: profiles in courage indeed. greg palkot live for us in kyiv. thank you. aishah: listen to this, a number of refugees around the world, a new record, 108 million people were displaced in 2022, up 19 million from the previous year. that's the biggest increase ever. those new numbers released by the u.n. refugee agency as it pleads for leaders to avoid further conflict. and i spoke to one of the agency's leaders to find out what's going on. >> we're joined now by the deputy high commissioner for the u.n. refugee agency kelly clemens. good to see you. >> thank you for having us on the program. >> i want to start off with this stunning report and this top line number which is so deeply troubling to see, the biggest increase ever in the

number of refugees around the world. what's driving this? >> we have conflict, of course, the primary driver of displacement. add to that tremendous inequality. climate is also adding to this mix. in the last couple of years, of course, we've seen wars and conflicts like we haven't seen in recent history. ukraine, of course, last was year was the primary driver of people leaving their homes. sudan in the last months, two million people already displaced refugees to neighboring countries and internally displaced inside sudan. aishah: you mention ukraine, kelly, and i look at the number here where ukraine ties with afghanistan as number two in the countries where the refugees are coming from. more than half of refugees around the world are from just three countries here.

what happened to those people? how are you helping them now? is there rebuilding going on? a lot of folks gave a lot of money. what's happening in ukraine now? >> you know, so we saw tremendous generosity by the neighboring countries, families, mostly women and children leaving in large numbers and it's still a very dynamic situation, the war rages on. families continue to be displaced. this is a war that, of course, is needless, we had he a -- we'd like it to stop immediately. it's too soon to talk about rebuilding or process of rebuilding. we're trying to within the u.n. with the partners and the ukrainian government trying to provide support quickly, but it's still an active emergency situation and we are obviously prepared to respond and continue to respond. aishah: kelly, really quickly, tell me about, you were

recently in afghanistan and folks are having a lot of issues with the taliban, especially with the education of girls and women. how is it like with the u.n. working with the taliban? >> you know, this is a country, of course, we've been in and engaged in emergency support to the afghans for 40 years and we have, of course, millions of afghan refugees, most of which have sought safety in the neighboring countries, but inside the country, of course, our engagement, we've been able to expand our presence while trying to make the point strongly about human rights standards and about the need for kids to be educated and in school. the need for women to be part of the economic life of a community inside afghanistan. so, our engagement with the taliban is strictly on operational levels, trying to get as much access to the people so that we can help to save lives and so that people can support themselves. >> and then finally, you know, we have a crisis here at home

at the southern border, people are leaving south america, but we're seeing people come from countries like india and china. do you see that flow just even growing in the next year? >> well, you know, i was just in brazil and i was in panama as well, and i have to tell you, aishah, the stories that i heard from families are just heartbreaking. they're staying within those neighboring countries because they want to go home. those that have moved, you see a very dynamic situation, including when i was in brazil, meeting afghan families that had literally come from that situation we just talked about that didn't have other choices. so it is a very interconnected situation where refugees are fleeing and trying to find safety wherever it is possible. aishah: as a granddaughter of refugees, i can tell you that nobody wants to be a refugee. nobody wants to leave their home and i think that everyone can agree that avoiding global conflict is the number one way

that we can bring some of these numbers down. kelly clemens, deputy high commissioner of the u.n. refugee agency. thank you for joining us and please come back soon. >> thank you so much. aishah: for full disclosure, i sit on the board for a nonprofit arm for the u.n. refugee agency and the reason i sit on the board is this refugee crisis all over the world, 108 million people on the move is, i think, one of the greatest crisis of our generation. we're dealing with it here at home and these were the numbers that were released before sudan happen so those are likely higher. griff: what a great interview and talked briefly about the darian gap and i've seen her operation there, with really the entire world coming through that to get ultimately to our border. good job. aishah: on it. griff: another cyber attack strikes several u.s. government agencies and universities. the details next. we're here today to set the record straight about dupuytren's contracture.

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>> new details emerging in the global cyber attack that exploited several u.s. governmental agencies along with hundreds of other companies and organizations and institutions. we're now learning the university system of georgia was also among the targets. a group of russian cyber criminals is reportedly behind the attack. for more on this, joining us is

ann marie, the chief security officer and a fellow at the national security institute. marie, how significant is this? thank you for being here. how significant is this attack we're hearing about more and more? >> it's a significant attack. it's not like solar wind where you had a pervasive attack on i.t. systems. although this is large, we're trying to figure out the scope of it, but it's serious in a different way than solar wind or the colonial pipeline attack. griff: what do you make about who is behind this? i was struck that we actually had a statement from the russian hackers, which really reads almost as if it were a joke. they say this, if you're a government, city or police service, do not worry, we erased all of our data. are they sort of mocking this? or-- >> you know, it's funny because

the same thing happened with colonial pipeline. there was a sort of mea culpa, we didn't mean it, it wasn't exactly what we thought it was going to be. and interesting to see who it happened again. as far as who the actors are, we think it's a group called clap, which is a russian-speaking threat actor group. not necessarily backed by russia, we don't know, but there are several organizations that are crime is a service, organized crime that pretty much anybody can rent out, and attribution is hard that way. it's interesting to see a group not only take responsibility which is common, but to issue a statement which is-- >> yeah and the cyber security folks put out a statement. although we're very concerned about this campaign and working on it with urgency, this is not a campaign like solar winds, you mentioned, that presents a systemic risk to our national

security or our nation's networks. that's the statement, however, we had a group of lawmakers, went down to north carolina for a field hearing early this week, as well worried about vulnerability of power grids. i ask you, how vulnerable are we? >> well, there are two different things, our power grids are something to obviously pay attention to and there are very old vulnerabilities that we need to fix, but this particular tact is focused on accessing data. unless there is-- there could be a bunch of data that can give you then the keys to the kingdom or help you learn more about a specific system, so that you could perform an attack later, that would be something to worry about, but this particular hack does not involve access to actual i.t. systems where then you could shut something down or manipulate something. it's mostly focused on exfiltrating and looking at data you shouldn't be able to

look at. griff: last 20 seconds we've got. how concerned should companies, private companies or individuals be? >> i think on an individual level, some of the victims are dealing in consumer information, so you may see an uptick in impersonations, phishing attacks or someone trying to steal your identity. you want to be vigilant as ever. check your credit report. make sure you're not clicking on things that you don't know or engaging with folks that you don't know either text or e-mail. griff: do you believe that companies bear a greater responsibility now to protect themselves from these threats? >> absolutely. i think that security needs to be part of the definition of quality and good and services that we provide. it shouldn't be a bolt-on at the end, but a standard. griff: we've got to leave it there. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. griff: president biden set to take the stage this afternoon. we'll bring it to you when it happens. nts to support immune, muscle, bone, and heart health. everyone: woo hoo!

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♪ ♪ ♪ >> president joe biden just a couple of minutes away from speaking at his first campaign rally. he is expected to ache stage soon in philadelphia hot on the heels of picking up who key labor endorsements. i'm aishah hasnie, hey, griff. griff: hour two, here we go. i'm grefe jenkins. amid lagging poll numbers and i growing concerns surrounding his age, alexandria hoff is live in philadelphia with the very