and help understand the bible. we don't need this. we don't need this. >> i don't know what i would ask him, honestly go back to the bible, read the book, i like the book. >> absolutely don't like this, they were asking about hamsters, it's totally mockery. one jesus, he lives in your heart. >> and we use all of our prayer power for the people stuck on the titan submersible. may they come home safe. "america reports" now. >> sandra: any moment we are expecting the briefing to be underway from the u.s. coast guard after the dramatic development and the race to find the missing crew on board the submersible, exploring the wreck of the titanic. i'm sandra smith in new york. >> john: i'm john roberts in washington, this is "america reports." late last night officials said a canadian surveillance plane detected underwater noises in 30 minute intervals in the remote area of the north atlantic where

the submersible had disappeared, raising hopes the five people on board the titan might still be alive. >> sandra: looks like the presser is going to be underway shortly. time is quickly running out to get the necessary rescue equipment to the search area. the presser has begun, let's get to boston. >> provide an update on the search efforts for the titan submarine. these individuals represent only a small fraction of the many dedicated professionals working around the clock. we understand it's an extremely difficult time for the families of the missing crew members aboard the titan and our thoughts go out to them and the crew. the unified command team is working tirelessly to bring all available assets and expertise to bear as quickly as possible in response to the complex

operation. we remain in close contact with the family members and crew to make sure they are fully aware of our current and future search efforts. additionally, we have been in close contact with the british and french consulates general to make sure they are aprized of our efforts. we are grateful for the spectrum of international assistance, including an expert submariner from the royal navy serving aboard as a critical member of our team. additionally, a team of highly trained french rov operators are en route to aid the search. moreover, our canadian partners have been providing critical leadership and significant response capability since the beginning of our efforts. again, this is an incredibly complex search operation requiring both surface and subsurface elements, and our

unified approach is critical. the location of the search, 900 miles east of cape cod, and 400 miles southeast of st. john's, makes it difficult to mobilize large amounts of equipment quickly. in spite of challenges, we have provided air and search assets as well as additional rov capability to search below the surface. we have five surface assets searching for the titan and we expect ten total surface assets in the next 24 to 48 hours. there are two rovs actively searching and several more en route and will arrive by tomorrow morning. we receive incredible support with aviation assets from our coast guard air station in elizabeth city, the air national guard and canadian armed forces. today there are two back-to-back p3 flights, one as i speak, 14 hours of continuous on-scene coverage and two c-30 flights

today and into the evening. p3 detected underwater noise in the search area. rov searches have yielded negative results, they continue. additionally, the data from the p3 aircraft shared with the u.s. navy experts for further analysis, considered in future search plans. surface search is approximately two times the size of connecticut and subsurface two and a half miles deep, expanding the size of the search area. also factor ever changing weather conditions, currents and sea states. enormous complexity due to the location so far offshore and the coordination between multiple agencies and nations. we greatly appreciate the

outpouring of support and offers for additional equipment. unified command prioritizes assets and resources to provide the best capability in the most timely manner. this includes weighing multiple factors to identify the resources available to the response operation. with careful consideration to timeliness of equipment arriving on-scene, usefulness and ability to deliver assets to the search area. over the past 48 hours we have through incredible unity and effort, response capability. and two subject matter experts from the navy, search coordinators on-scene. so i've been stressing unity of effort a lot in this statement, that's because it is absolutely critical to this complex operation. again, our thoughts and prayers are with the crew of the titan and their loved ones.

we will work as hard and as quickly as possible in an effort to locate them. i will take a few questions, but before i do that, i do want -- i'm going to have each of the members of the team here introduce themselves and i'll take some questions. >> good afternoon, i'm paul hahnkins, director for salvage operation with the u.s. navy supervisor of salvage. >> hello, karl heartsfeld. >> good afternoon, rich, exchange officer serving on the submarines at norfolk, virginia. >> good afternoon, lieutenant commander christie butler, working closely with captain frederick, search and rescue coordinator. [inaudible]

>> so a couple things. one, when you are in the middle of a search and rescue case you always have hope. that's why we are doing what we do. with respect to the noises specifically, we don't know what they are to be frank with you. the p3 detected noises, that's why they are up there, doing what they are doing, that's why they put sonar buoys in the water. what i can tell you is we are searching in the area where theis no -- where the noises are detected, and the intent to search in the areas where the noise were detected, and continuing to be detected and put additional rovs in the last known area where the search was taken place. >> regular 30-minute intervals as reported. >> i had not heard 30-minute -- when i can tell you. so, i am not a trained ear for

underwater aquatics. that's why we have a team of experts that are analyzing the data. the data was sent immediately to the navy last night and it was analyzed overnight, they are still looking at it. i can tell you it's inclusive. but we are searching in the area where the noise was detected. >> can you talk about what timeline you are working on? >> timeline in what respect. >> how much oxygen they have left on board. >> okay, in terms -- i think you are all tracking the oxygen number. that's just one piece of data, there are a lot of pieces of data we need to consider and you know, we are continuously looking at that and will do that throughout the search. but that's not the only thing that's important, and right now our efforts are focussed on the search, that certainly is a dialogue that's happening.

but we are focused on searching at this point. >> recovery or rescue at this point? >> this is a search and rescue mission, 100%. smack dab in the middle of search and rescue and will put every available asset we have in an effort to find the titan and the crew members. >> captain, how far down are the rovs and can you confirm a rectangular object has been spotted, some report about that. >> a couple things. rovs, each brings different capability. diving today, what's the depth -- 4,000 meters, and they -- additional rovs arriving tomorrow have additional depth capability. yesterday one of the aircraft did see an object. in search and rescue missions, when aircraft are flying there is stuff in the ocean that is floating. we went back, we looked at it, it wasn't -- we did not determine it to be debris, don't think it correlates with the

case and it is not uncommon at all during an active search to see things and then we look at them. >> when were these noises first heard -- [inaudible] >> so several p3 flights have heard noises yesterday, and we put assets there. we relocated assets immediately. with respect to food and water, it's my understanding there are some limited rations. i can't tell you exactly how much they have aboard but they do have some limited rations on the vessel. >> speaking to the families, how much hope after hearing the noises? >> you need to be careful -- we need to have hope but i cannot tell you what the noises are. the most important point, we are

searching where the noises are and that's all we can do at this point. >> [inaudible] status of the submersible, and are the noises continuing now, have they stopped? >> so it's my understanding the p3 heard noises today as well, invite karl to the podium to talk a bit about -- he has more expertise in underwater acoustics and maybe speak to that in general. because again, you know, there are noises below the surface of the ocean and so i'll turn it to karl. >> karl -- >> carl heartsfield from the woodsville oceanographic institution. the ocean is a complex place. obviously human sounds, nature sounds, and it's very difficult to discern what the source of those noises are at times, but i can tell you that this team has

multiple sensors that are in the area, they are sending data back expeditiously to the best in the world people to analyze that data and then they are feeding the results back to the unified team and they are making decisions. so, we are here in an advisory role but i see a very tight operational loop making decisions based on data and nothing is ruled out. >> heard the noises this morning. are they still continuing on a regular basis? >> there have been multiple reports of noises and every one of those noises is analyzed, tracked, looked for patterns and reported upon. >> can you describe what the noise sounds like that they are hearing? >> well, you know, the noises again very complex in the ocean. you have to be an acoustic analysis and you have to have context. they are trying to put all the pieces together. the noises have been described as banging noises, but again,

they have to put the whole picture together in context and they have to eliminate potential man-made sources other than the titan. >> ship in the ocean, is it possible a ship in the ocean or even some mammals out there could mimic that kind of sound? >> with my experience of acoustics, there are biologics, but these people are trained. there are a lot of vessels in the area and they each make noise. all of that has to be eliminated and it's analysis over time plus as the captain said, the team is searching in the right area so if you continue to do the analysis, look for different patterns, and search in the right area, you are doing, you

know, the best you possibly can do with the best people on the case. >> captain -- >> [inaudible] -- and how long it would take -- >> which system. what's the system you are talking about? >> [inaudible] >> it's a hydraulic -- it's a cane. >> so that's a piece of equipment, it's a crane piece of equipment. there are a lot of pieces of equipment flowing in through st. john's right now. one thing i did want to mention i think it's important, some of the rov capability that's arriving soon is really great, incredible capability. the french team that's coming in to serve aboard with their equipment aboard a french ship, they bring some state of the art

equipment and so once they get on, we are going to have more assets down to look and we will continue to put them where we think the best location is. >> are you still -- are you still optimistic that you are going to find them? >> how many days -- so -- well, so we have to remain optimistic and hopeful when you are in a search and rescue case. so we are right in the middle of the search and rescue case. i don't want to get into a discussion when that would end. i'm happy to explain to you kind of how that process were to work, the coast guard prosecutes search and rescue on a daily basis and sometimes we don't find what we are looking for and you have to -- you have to carefully consider all of the factors and there are a lot of

factors you consider. and then after you consider all those factors, sometimes you're in a position where you have to make a tough decision. we are not there yet. but if we continue to search, potentially we could be at that point. but again, we are not there yet, and that's a discussion that we will have with the family long before i'm going to discuss that here publicly. >> [inaudible] >> i can't put a number on the -- i'm not going to -- i don't have a percentage number. what i would tell you is that is just one data point and there are more -- there are more data points than that that we have to look at. right now we continue to search. >> heard the noises -- how often do they hear the noises? any more specifics? hear them this morning, 30-minute intervals, just give us more specifics. >> so the report -- the noises

were heard by a canadian p3, and that was this morning and some yesterday. i don't know specifically over the 30-minute intervals but i think the important point is we are in the air, we are searching there. moved assets and we are searching there and will continue to do so. [indiscernible] >> [inaudible] >> whether it's opperable, or sea calm, or the surface, it's all speculation. and we are not in the business of speculation. we are in the business of searching and putting everything we can with the data we have, one more question. >> a bit more about the navy and

assistance [inaudible] >> so we -- we asked for some additional subsurface support and got that through the navy, through a liaison officer, one of member team members and appreciative of the british government. >> daily update on this? >> the plan is to do a daily, i'm not going to lock into this, but if there are major developments we'll let you know. thank very much. >> john: captain james frederick of the u.s. coast guard, and the headline, the noises picked up by the p3 surveillance plane continued into today, they have been recorded, they have been sent to the navy for analysis. heard the fellow from the woodshaul oceanographic institution say there are a lot of noises in the water, but

still holding out hope, hope against hope, perhaps, that maybe they are still alive in the submersible. >> sandra: holding out hope and so many praying for their survival. tom maddox is joining us now, and co-pilot of a submersible that traveled to the wreck of the titanic in 2005. thank you for joining us. can i get your reaction to what we just heard there? it does sound like the experts are telling them to take these noises seriously, and that they could be indeed human-generated. what was your take away? >> good afternoon, john and sandra. yes, absolutely. that was really probably the best news that i've heard through the beginning of this whole ordeal. the sounds banging, possible banging on the sub would be the first and best noises we could get to be able to locate the sub. no salvage can happen until we locate the sub or until they locate the sub, obviously.

so, yesterday when i heard the report about the noises and we did hear, and the coast guard referred to the 30-minute interval, that was extremely hopely, today they are not so clear whether they are intervals or not, but the good news, they heard them again today. probably the brightest spot and the best news to come out of this whole situation since its beginning. >> john: tom, if we are looking at what the source of those noises might be, and let's just suppose that they came from the craft, would that be from the bottom of the ocean, would it be somewhere in the water column, is there a way to know? >> well, we don't really know, but after all this time the days that passed, i would assume that the craft has settled to the bottom. if it were in the water column between the surface and the bottom, it would be carried by drift, by currents and wind, or the waves, and it wouldn't be

on-site. so i'm not sure where they located the sound in relationship to the dropoff point or where they started their descent, but if it's close by we would probably assume they are close by on the bottom. >> sandra: tom, since you have made the voyage to the titanic wreckage site, trying to wrap our minds around this and you can help us do that. we put together some of these graphics so our viewers can understand better the challenges that this search-and-rescue operation is facing. just to plainly show the depth challenges they are dealing with. the deepest human scuba dive, just under 1100 feet. you no longer see light at depth under 3,000 feet. you stop seeing things like the whales diving around 10,000 feet. the average depth of the ocean floor is 12,100 feet. you are talking about the

wreckage down here at depths of 12,450 feet, tom. that is the reality of what they are dealing with, and as the coast guard has said time and time again, they have never had a search-and-rescue operation at these depths before, tom. >> you are right, sandra. at those depths in the ocean and beyond are the most extreme environments in the world. you have, and it's hard for people to imagine unless you have been there, but it's total blackness. unless they have an artificial light source and we don't know if they are operational, so we don't know if they have light if they are on the bottom and still intact, so it would be operating in possibly complete darkness. you have pressure that's immense, it's 400 times the pressure here on the surface, so you have pressure around that sub at about 5500, 6,000 pounds per square inch so it's trying

to crush you. you can't breathe it, you can't obviously swim from that position, you couldn't survive outside of that capsule. so it's the harshest environment going and at that depth as we have already seen through all these days, there are no capabilities to perform, no real on-site capabilities to perform rescues in that situation. so before you head into that environment you have to know what the risks are and know what the possibilities are. >> john: tom, as we have mentioned before in the last couple of days, this submersible was designed so that if it got into trouble it was supposed to automatically float back to the surface. we don't know why that hasn't happened. but let me ask you this from a personal perspective. you dove down to the wreck of the titanic early in the 2000s. they last 6, 10 hours, this was

supposed to be eight hours or so. they have been down there now for four days. what is it like being in those confines at that depth, can you imagine, for those folks this long. >> well, john, that's really hard to speculate because everybody is different. but you are in an environment and a closed environment. first of all, besides the depth and the part the ocean plays you are in a small capsule that's very, very confined. it's not like living quarters, you are not on a cruise ship, it's a tight, tight area, designed to be used for 10 to 12 hours on a regular basis. so now they have this extended period of time that they are living together and human body functions and everything else takes place but also call to attention that at the bottom where the titanic is, the temperature is about 31° fahrenheit. it's actually below freezing but because of the salinity and the salt water it does not solidify.

so the hull will lose heat very rapidly and by this point it would be close to freezing or subfreezing in that sub. >> sandra: such an important thing to point out. tom, take everybody back to the touch screen here to really have your expertise weigh in on the materials that this submersible is made of. the viewing window up front, they can look out at the vessel, but otherwise they rely on the cameras. 4k cameras, three access, this is obviously the materials, carbon fiber hull to the titanium hemisphere, and the make-up of this vessel, can you sort of take us through the make-up of this, and what this is able to endure, tom? >> well, it's really beyond my expertise in that area.

i'm not familiar enough with the titan sub to speculate on the construction of that particular sub. we do know it's what we consider to be an experimental class sub, it is new technology. so, we know it had sensors, according to the company and quoting oceangate, that sensors to detect if there was movement or possible breaches of the sub, but i don't know that those would give you enough indication, enough time to be able to take corrective action if there were some kind of a problem. and again, i just -- that's beyond my expertise. >> sandra: if i could bring everybody back to the screen, we are trying to give everybody an idea, if they are bobbing around, floating around or at the bottom near the wreckage site, what it looks like inside. clearly showing the five people fitting into that close proximity. they are barefoot, we have been

told, obviously no sitting room, no chairs, they are -- super close proximity. this is one of the passengers holding on, the pilot at this moment, holding on to the joy stick, which we have put a picture of. because tom, we have been told it pretty much is not a glorified version of one, but a video game joy stick. this is the wireless logictech 7 game pad, toilet up front, no seats inside. these are the four electric thrusters, the on board health monitoring system we have been told about and the back of the vessel is the oxygen tanks and the electronics on board. this is it. i mean, we are all trying to wrap our minds around what this is made of and somewhere in there we are told, according to that news conference, that they have some sort of stash of food supplies and water.

>> well, again, i'm not sure exactly how oceangate prepared their sub. i can tell you from the 2005 expedition, that's pretty spacious. we are in a six foot area with three people, including all that equipment you see in the image now. inside. so we were basically in a fetal position lying down for 12 hours for most of the ride. so that's actually spacious. but it is a cramped quarters, it can be claustrophobic, even if you are not in a stressful situation. so it's a tough environment for them to be in right now. >> john: you mentioned a lot of new technology, experimental technology fo some degree. david lockridge has filed a lawsuit to oceangate saying he was terminated unfairly after

warning of quality control and safety problems, among the claims, the port hole was only certified for a depth of 4300, but operating at 12,000 plus feet. and no unmanned testing of the submersible and the hull integrity alarm would alert just milliseconds before an implotion. we do know that there is this hull integrity monitor which would detect any problems with the hull as it was going through the descent phase, allowing the pilot to bring it back up to the top. but if something went really, really wrong, would you have time to turn around and come back? >> well, again, i don't know, and john, i would hate to speculate on information that i don't have all the data on and all the facts on. there's plenty of time for that. right now, as a fellow aquanaut and titanic diver, i would hope

and pray they can find this crew and bring them back to the surface. that's really what's important. there will be time for all of this to come out. i think trying to rush to judgment would be the wrong thing to do. i will say this, in 2005 when we dove, it was older technology, the russians had had it for quite a while. the subs we dove in, mir 1 and 2, the same subs at the beginning of the titanic movie. they will be around a while and proven. but like everything, technology changes. we have airplanes flying with joy sticks, and ships with joy sticks, i would not want to opine whether it was good or not. time for that down the road. >> sandra: tom, thank you for your expertise on the matter. appreciate it. thank you. >> john: thank you, tom.

for more on the weather conditions that searchers are dealing with, adam, looks like the weather has deteriorated somewhat from the way it was yesterday, higher winds and higher seas, adam. >> things have been up and down here, and we looked at the map several times. there is the titanic wreckage. 370 miles off the coast of newfoundland. radars do not reach out that far if there is rain, but we are able to tell if there were overcast conditions and what the winds are like because of buoys. the waves have picked up, the last three days, you can see waves maybe getting up to six feet or so in that general vicinity, and remember, we don't know specifically where those noises are being made but right at where the wreckage is at, it's actually not horrible. when you talk about this part of the ocean, waves can get incredibly high and we are looking at maybe six feet, so

it's not awful but adds another layer of complexity when you talk about searching. forecast and wind and rain, you can pay attention to the time stamp up in the corner. i will run you through the next three days. currently winds 5 to 10 miles an hour, calm, things get a little worse as you look towards getting in towards next week, so that's taking you a little ways out there. yes, things are worse today but as we head in the days ahead, things are looking to only improve a little bit. i'll leave you with the wave forecast, again, time stamp in the corner but when you see the yellows and oranges on the map, that's when the waves are getting worse, and likely here, even those light greens and green colors, that's only talking about a couple of feet of wave heighth. again, this far out in the ocean, it's very easy to get some very large waves. so when you are looking at waves of only a couple feet, that's actually fairly good, and that's

good for the search and rescue parties most importantly as they are out there dealing with these conditions. >> john: adam, we should point out, we are seeing pictures of various submersibles on the right-hand side of the screen. the large port there, that was the cyclops one that goes to 1500 feet. the titan goes down to 12,500 feet. >> sandra: brad mcdonald, former commanding officer of a u.s. navy attack submarine. thank you for joining us, appreciate your expertise. we just had a presser, they are taking the noises they heard seriously. not only not ruling out them being human-caused or human-made noises, but assuming they are, what was your reaction to that? >> well, the initial reaction was positive because one thing any submariner or occupant of a

submersible would know, would tell them if you are in distress, the best way to signal is with a piece of metal on metal. when the russian submarine kursk sank 20 years ago, that was in 400 feet of water, but the people from the engine room, those people lived for several days. and unfortunately as the water creeped in and the oxygen level decreased they died before a rescue could be affected. however, one of the things they did routinely was they took a pipe, or a wrench, and banged it on the hull every 30 minutes faithfully, letting people know they were alive. so initially good sign. and metallic noise is coming from another ship. it's not coming from a whale or

a sea noise. so, initially they were positive signs. >> john: brad, i want to put up on the screen here the extent of the search capabilities and the search that is ongoing. this is according to the united states coast guard. so far 10,000 plus square miles have been searched and here are the ships that are either currently on scene or on their way. the polar prince, titan's mothership, deep energy, has rovs, three canadian coast guard ships, four of them, actually, atlantic merlin, and scandi vinland, rov equipped, and a french ship privately owned, rov equipped, and the glac ebay, medical team on board. when you look at the rovs, something on the bottom near the titanic wreckage or can be

located, you have a lot of assets on scene to try to find it and maybe rescue it. >> it is truly amazing the quantity and impressive resources that are being mustered for this. but one fact still remains, it's a big place down there, and however many days, weeks, months, years it took to find titanic, they are looking for something much, much smaller and that factors in when it comes to video or acoustic methods of trying to find this thing. so, it's a big job to find something that small. a lot has been made about are they in the water column, are they on the surface or on the bottom, and while the captain -- coast guard captain said it's not my job to speculate, i understand and agree with that, i think you can say well, if they were on the surface probably they would have been found by now because i presume, and i don't know much about this particular vehicle, but i

presume it has some type of a radio beacon or something that it can use to alert when it's on the surface. just as with an airliner black box, if an airliner crashes in the ocean, the black box will emit a sonar pinger for some period of time. i would presume this submersible has something like that, too. it's least likely of all to me it's somewhere between the surface and the bottom, leads me to think it's probably on the bottom and then it comes down to -- >> john: brad, to your point a second ago, you said you know how long it took to find the titanic. ballard had been out on a classified mission looking for the thresher and another submarine and then got the go ahead to use the new technology, which took a long time to develop to go look for the titanic, what he wanted to do. it actually only took him four days to find the titanic and he did that by looking for the

debris field, which is how he found the thresher. so i mean, if it only took him four days to find the titanic. now again, the titanic was much bigger, maybe there is some hope the submersible could be found in the time window that they have. >> i agree, i agree. hope is a good thing and i'm not saying to give up hope. i did an informal or unofficial poll of shipmates from the submarines i served on and most submariners are hopeful but have a pessimistic outlook about the possibilities because most are familiar with the conditions. and to your point about thresher, thresher sank in only 8,000 feet of water, probably imploded at about 2,000 feet. one successful rescue the u.s. navy did to save some sub mariners lives, i know

technology has come a long way, that's the one time we saved 29 people from a sub marine sitting on the bottom, but 240 feet of water. >> sandra: brad, on the noises the update we were all looking for in this news conference at the top of the hour, here is specifically what the coast guard said on that. play it out for the viewers. >> with respect to the noises specifically, we don't know what they are to be frank with you. the p3 detected noise, why they are up there, and doing what they are doing, and put sonar buoys in the water. what i can tell you, we are searching in the area where the noises were detected and will continue to do so. >> sandra: they are searching in the area where the noises were detected but won't speculate where exactly those noises were coming from. the p3 detected the noises, is there any sort of technology that would be able to estimate based on those noises how deep

they are coming from? >> i wish i had my brother-in-law here, he's a retired p3 pilot. >> sandra: send us his number, we can have him on. >> they are going to hear the noise, it's a reception, so they are not going to have a range on it. and they might be able to get varied, if they get several sonar buoys in the water, they may have a direction. but to get a range, that's not something that the p3 is going to get. and noises like that can travel a few thousand yards in the ocean, or also up to 100 miles, depending what the acoustic conditions are. so the noises could be from a long ways away, or they could be from a few miles away, and as the coast guard captain adeptly stated, we just don't know. safe to say -- could be made by

a ship or banging something on a ship. and they would probably be banging every 30 minutes, morse code for sos. three short bangs, three long bangs, three short bangs. distinct, easy to discern from a random noise. >> sandra: at first they did say in 30-minute increments, but they did not seem to confirm that in the presser, they heard them twice yesterday, again today, but no specific time frame was given. >> yeah, and the sailors on kursk who did this 22 years ago, it was difficult as oxygen levels went down to be precise about it, it was difficult to maintain the stamina and things like that to do these on a regular basis, so once again, we don't know the conditions inside the vessel, if anybody is alive.

but i can imagine disorientation might set in, things like that, and it would be hard to have a rigid schedule every 30 minutes. >> sandra: absolutely. we will continue on with our hope and prayer for all of them on board as this is 100% the coast guard said a few moments ago, still a search and rescue mission. brad, thank you for joining us. >> john: we are going to continue to monitor the developing situation there.enter in the meantime, this. chinese troops could soon be stationed less than 100 miles off of florida's coast. the communist regime is reportedly in talks with cuba to build a military facility on the island nation, less than a week after reports surfaced that china already has a spy base there. let's bring in retired general keith kellogg, former national security adviser to vice president mike pence and fox news contributor. so, how loudly should the alarm

bells be ringing at the white house and the pentagon about the deal china is trying to cut with cuba to put chinese troops there in a training base, particularly after antony blinken just comes back from beijing. >> yeah, john, thanks for having me. look, this is significant. this reminds me of over 60 years ago, i was a young teenager at the time, missiles in cuba, the soviet union put medium range nuclear missiles, and 13 days the world was on the edge of war. i remember that distinctly. now secretary blinken going to china and the optics at the start were bad, off the airplane he's met by the guy who runs the americas desk in the chinese foreign ministry probably number ten out there, he is hit with this comment about to put potentially chinese troops into cuba, and that is significant.

i would ask them -- go back and read what, you know, what president monroe said in 1923 about the monroe doctrine. this could only build something onnerous, and china does it through provocation and force and we don't have the response to it and we should and we haven't. there is no strategic plan how we combat china and push back on china and they are out of the box. there is nothing more about containment with them. so, he even took stuff off the table, he, blinken. talk about, well, we are not going to talk about economic decoupling, that should be part of the strategy. >> john: the one lever we have. >> look at what he's been doing, and like ok, guys, better come up with a plan how to combat this, this is significant. i can show you the continuum, you go from training to regular troops to missiles, 100 miles off your shore, how do you react to it, and i don't think we have a plan at all. >> sandra: worrisome based on everything you just said.

what message should we send as we learn more about this? >> you know, this is one of those, sandra, what you have to do, make a very strong move back on them. it's a pushback and has to be economic, militarily, diplomatic, but something. i'll give you the extreme one. say if you were going to do something like this, in our hemisphere, we are talking seriously about going back to a two china policy, not a one china policy. and strong defense in taiwan. 100 miles off our shore, we'll put something 100 miles off your shore. you remember back in covid when we talked about the personal protection equipment, the masks, n95, 90% comes out of china. decouple from you and talk about pushing back in every place we can, be it economic, military,

diplomatic, we have not done it. president biden calls him a dictator, that doesn't help. you have to keep your lines of communication open without, i don't care if it's the russians or the chinese, i don't care who it is. if you don't keep talking to your adversary, they are going to shut the phone down and like the no contact with the chinese, you see our secretary of defense get snubbed by their secretary of defense lee, this is not going well. and pattern, in the next 18 months it's going to get worse before it gets better at all. >> john: biden said this in a fundraiser about xi and this balloon, he said the reason why xi jinping got very upset when i shot the balloon down with two boxcars of spy equipment he didn't know it was there, no, i'm serious, when it got shot down he was embarrassed, he didn't know it was there. china did not like that, and they say it goes totally against

the facts and severely infringes on china's political dignity, blatant political provocation, china expresses strong dissatisfaction and the u.s. remarks are extremely absurd and irresponsible. china is expert at whining about things. was that the right thing for biden to do? >> no, if he doesn't believe she didn't know xi was there, i have a bridge to sell him in brooklyn bridge. of course he knew it was there. i don't know why he says things like that. the entire world knew the balloon was there. you could see it. i'm pretty sure they have televisions in china as well. they knew it was there, done deliberately, if it had the capacity to loiter, it did, and then it traveled across the united states of america and we shoot it down off the coast of south carolina. that's another example of provocation, forced projection that we hope, we will ignore it, whistle past the graveyard. that's the concern i have.

unless you take a strong stance now, we are going to see some real problems in the next 18 months and i don't think they have a plan for it, john. that's the other big concern i have. what's your plan to confront china and i talk about it earlier, years ago plan containment with the soviet union, and truman did it with the truman doctrine, i don't see any plan to confront china and they are pushing it every time they get. >> sandra: general keith kellogg, thank you so much. biden administration meanwhile appearing to backtrack on the president's promise to declassify any and all information relating to the origins of covid. he signed a bill back in march that gave the intelligence community 90 days to release its findings. that deadline came and went sunday without anything being released. senior national correspondent rich edson is live on the white house. white house saying anything about the delay, rich? >> good afternoon, sandra.

the white house is kicking back to the office of intelligence, and they say odni, office of the director of national intelligence is reviewing the information and trying to determine what could be classified or declassified in doing so in responsible manner. meanwhile you have congressional republicans, they have largely maintained that a lab leak started the pandemic. >> i've seen most of the -- of the classified portions of the report that the president had ordered, and the 90-day review and in that, i think people are going to be surprised, that report is very, very different than what the administration released publicly. they'll have a greater picture, help to get to the bottom of this. >> two former officials say a prominent scientist working on the coronavirus project at the

wuhan institute of virology were one of the three that were affected with an illness during the outbreak. another piece of evidence cited by proponents of the theory that covid-19 began with a lab leak. the intelligence community is split over covid's origins, whether it started naturally or from a lab in wuhan. the chinese government has blocked any independent investigation into the start of the pandemic, and that has been one of the disagreements between the united states and chinese government on all of this. this as secretary of state antony blinken earlier this week was just in china discussing a range of issues he initially had canceled that trip, of course. because months ago the u.s. discovered a chinese spy balloon floating over the united states. sandra. >> sandra: rich, thank you. live at the white house. by the way, rand paul will be coming up joining us top of the hour. about ten minutes from now on all of that. stay tuned.

>> mr. durham never found what he was looking for. cannot dispute a single conclusion in the mueller report. cannot prove magnificent deep state conspiracy. >> evidence inconsistent with the narrative, they did not explore it, did not take the investigative steps. >> 60% of americans now believe there is a double standard at the justice department. you know why they believe that, because there is. >> sandra: that was just some of the heated exchange from john durham's testimony before the house judiciary committee, the first time durham is publicbly speaking where he concluded the trump-russia investigation should never have been launched in the first place. and lance, your take away from that, sir. >> take away what we have all known for many years, and that there was no russian collusion and this investigation by the

justice department should never have happened. that's what the durham report told us and it accurate because of what he witnessed from my democratic colleagues. they refused to talk about the report. they wanted to disparage the prosecutor, mr. durham, and no acknowledgment of the facts and the facts are the fbi were the wrong doers, malfeasance rampantly run, rot at the fbi that has yet to be cut out, and this durham report i think is very damning of the administration and redeems president trump. he was not colluding, his campaign was not colluding, but a witch hunt in the fbi to go out and get him. >> john: congressman, what the fbi said in anticipation of what durham would say, the conduct in 2016 and 2017, special counsel durham examined was the reason that current fbi leadership already implemented dozens of corrective actions which have now been in place for some time.

had those reforms been in place in 2016, the missteps identified in the report could have been prevented. the fbi acknowledges there was some inappropriate conduct. many of your colleagues are not that they have been addressed. >> no, and the lack of confidence their actions in months. they have refused to turn over documents to congress that we are constitutionally authorized to have. we have asked them to work with them, they have refused to. and the confidence and the fbi of the american people as stated in the hearing is less than 40%. 60% of americans don't have faith in the fbi and that's very alarming. i saw a thorough analysis on the republican side of the report condemning the actions of what i hope is not the majority of the fbi agents, but certainly leadership here in washington. they have been on a witch hunt against donald trump and justice

was not evenly distributed. they have been after this president, they gave hillary clinton a pass, and we have seen just mismanagement and i believe attacks on this candidate, former president and now candidate again and i suspect those will not be discontinued. >> sandra: congressman, as we did mention things were heated at moments during this session on the hill. and here is jerry nadler. he decided to go after house republicans like you claiming that you are misleading people. listen here. >> republicans have planned this hearing and constructed an entire false narrative around this work of special counsel durham in an effort to distract from the former president's legal troubles and mislead the american public. >> sandra: is this just an effort on your and your republican colleagues' parts to just distract? >> absolutely not. this is an effort to bring the truth to the american people.

i've had constituents that have been asking for this durham investigation report for many years, long before i got to congress and what i've heard from democrated is embarrassing. since i've been on this committee, i've yet to see mr. nadler give comments that were not prepared by his staff. so i don't know if he believes that or just his staff that writes up these talking points for him. but there was no acknowledgment of the malfeasance by the fbi today, they don't want to talk about the report, but things unrelated to the report, they want to talk about russia and donald trump, but not the malfeasance of the fbi that ran amuck during this time, during the clinton-trump campaign, i'm so grateful to mr. durham for coming before us. what i have come to learn since coming to congress, if you are speaking the truth and it does not fit the democratic narrative, then democrats are going to pounce on the messenger and that's what they did today. >> john: we will see what comes of this, congressman lance

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