speed records, took an expedition to antarctica with buzz aldrin and five trips into space. amazing adventurer. >> it's captain cook, neil shepherd, explorers, i just know the depth that he said they might be at when they lost contact, that's the height that i sky dove at. that's -- >> wow, wow. >> exactly. >> thank you for watching. "america reports" now. >> sandra: begin with breaking news in the search for the missing submersible. the u.s. coast guard says a remotely operated vehicle has discovered a debris field in the area where the crews are right now looking for that sub. we are learning a whole lot more here as the hours go on. hello, welcome everyone, i'm sandra smith in new york. hi. >> john: start the day off with a lot of uncertainty, and this is "america reports." we expect to learn much more

from the coast guard at a briefing set for 3:00 eastern time. meanwhile, we are learning that canada is stepping up its rescue efforts sending in a ship, the hmcs glace bay, equipped with a hyperbaric recompression, and we will be joined in just moments. >> sandra: molly line outside the u.s. headquarters in boston. first get to mike tobin, live at the staging area for the search in st. john's, canada. mike, exactly what we know, officials are reporting the remote operated robot discovered this debris field near the titanic and they are saying it could be linked to the missing titan but cannot confirm that to be the case. what else are we learning? >> well, we have learned that certainly very discouraging news for the people who are holding out hope for a miracle in this

case. i spoke with larry david who is -- larry daily, i should say, logistics specialist for titanic expeditions, he was down to the wreckage in 2003, and 1 of the things he points out is when you go down to the wreckage of the shipwreck, there is all sorts of debris down there. >> i won't comment or speculate on it, you don't know what it is. titanic has a debris field, littered with different things from the ship and you know, materials from previous expeditions. so again, we don't know what it is and like i just want to wait for the official word of what it is. >> the optimism, the hope for a miracle, evidence of that is about 400 miles to the south of here in a search area that is two times the size of connecticut. you know the developments from today that the canadian ship, horizon arctic deployed the rov that went down to the depth of the titanic and now came back we hear through the coast guard they found some sort of a debris field and are waiting to hear

the information on that. the french ship was down there, they deployed an rov, they are also searching. and you mentioned another ship was announced by the joint rescue command center, a ship with a medical team specializing in dive injuries, decompression sickness, came up complete with hyperbaric chambers. none of that is relevant unless you believe you can find survivors. so you still have a lot of optimism out here, a lot of hope that somehow there will be a miracle, but of course today's developments are discouraging. sandra, john. >> sandra: mike tobin with the latest from there. jump back on when you get new information, thank you. >> john: molly line outside the u.s. coast guard headquarters in boston as we await the 3:00 news conference. molly, what mike tobin was talking about in terms of the discovery of the debris field, the coast guard knows there is a tremendous amount of debris around the titanic wreck, how

they found the wreck itself was following the debris field, i assume they would not make announcement and schedule a news conference or briefing unless they had an idea there was a connection here. >> well, you know the rov part of the discovery of the debris went to that location on the horizon arctic vessel, a great big research vessel tasked to be part of this operation and part of the search and went to the area of the titanic partly because the titan, the sub that was where it was headed. now, you have rightly pointed out in this area near the titanic there is a lot of debris, it's an unforgiving environment, unforgiving dark area, and we don't know what type of technology specifically this rov had. are there pictures, does it have other sort of grabbing capabilities where it may have been able to pick something up and a closer look at something. those are a lot of the questions

we ask as far as details as to what's happening there underwater with that rov on-site investigating in this continued search for the titan. you know, the titanic itself is in two separate parts, 2,600 feet apart from one another so it's a vast area not just getting down to the titanic but in and around the titanic. so quite a significant amount of area to investigate. whatever it is that the rov has discovered thus far. the coast guard in recent days has consistently given a message of hope. they have not talked about when this would go from a rescue mission to a recovery mission, and we don't know if this debris field will change that. that will be one of the questions of course we'll be asking, what they think the debris is. they have acknowledged the evaluations are underway, a lot of experts working on this, naval experts, experts on the scene, and mike tobin talked about the other rovs on hand. we know the rov at the bottom of

the ocean came from that specific vessel but other vessels on-site, including one the victor 6,000 from france rov, so perhaps some additional rovs will head in the deep waters to aid and look at the debris field. many different remote operating vehicles have very different functions and abilities and capabilities and some of these specifically rushed to this site are prepared to go very deep, deep into the ocean. we may be getting more data, not just here in the hours perhaps days ahead as well. john. >> john: it's our understanding, molly that the rover, the rov that found the debris field was the 6k, flown in as we reported to st. john's by the u.s. air force the other night. all right, molly, get back to us if you hear anything else ahead of this briefing at 3:00. thank you. sandra. >> sandra: let's bring in brad mcdonald, former commanding

officer of a navy attack sub marine. this is obviously big news, if they are able to obtain a piece of the debris do you believe they'll be able to tell pretty quickly here if it is from titan. >> that's my guess is that they would, and you know, one parallel i have as i have spoken before about the u.s.s. thresher, sank on april 10, 1963, and how the debris fields are used to locate the titanic and thresher, but it took several months, went down after the debris was located and they brought back one piece to the surface and it was a pipe, a mangled pipe and had an etching on it, 593, the hull number of u.s.s. thresher, u.s.n.593, and that was the absolute confirmation it was from thresher. so i would think if you bring

back a piece of this titan, if that's what it is, it's easily distinguishable from a piece of titanic. that assumes you get it on board a ship and somebody can look at it closely. >> john: so brad we talked about the possibility that the reason why communication was so abruptly lost back during the dive on sunday, five days ago now, was because there might have been some sort of catastrophic failure in the integrity of the hull. if something like that happened and i guess you could use u.s.s. thresher as an example a moment ago, based on the condition that that submarine was found on, what do you expect if this submersible had been subjected to some sort of catastrophic implotion? >> well, one thing that robert ballard himself talked about thresher after he saw the remains, he said that the only positive in the whole thing was the death was merciful, and the ship imploded, everybody died

instantly, so it's a horrible thing. but the ship most likely imploded at 2,000 feet and then of course it's like an inverse bomb, everybody would have died immediately. i was very intrigued all along about the idea that the communications were lost an hour and a half or two hours into the dive because what we have not heard or i have not heard, what were the communications right before this loss. right before thresher imploded, the rescue vessel, u.s.s. skylark on the surface, an escort, could provide no assistance, they heard three transmissions from thresher, the first one was experiencing minor difficulty, second one was have a positive up angle and third one, attempting to blow. and then they heard a gargled transmission, and then 900 feet,

and then metallic sounds. this was under the underwater telephone. somebody on thresher thought it might be useful to notify the surface ship that they were having trouble. so i am very intrigued, and there must be some record what the last communication was between the mother ship and titan. >> sandra: coming off yesterday when there was a glimmer of hope when the sounds were reported and that was thought to maybe, and by some chance be the crew on board trying to alert where they were. now reports of this debris field. if in the case, brad, they are not able to determine that that debris is from titan, do you believe they are going to continue this search based on the timeline of the oxygen running out, that the coast guard initially worked off of? >> that's probably one of the most painful questions for somebody, thankfully not for me, to make that determination. when do you decide to reclassify

a search and rescue mission into a recovery mission. i can tell you anecdotally i've been in contact with well over 100 former ship mates and the thought process is almost universal, incredible empathy and grief for any mariner stranded underwater, and whatever their condition is, and followed by not a lot of hope for the recovery. that's a sentiment of the marine force. i remember when thresher was lost, my father was a submarine captain in the early 1960s and i remember the black dark cloud over the submariners and the wives, it was a sad time. >> john: we were talking about this over the dinner table last night, that you couldn't imagine what those five folks would be going through if they were on the bottom of the ocean in pitch dark freezing temperatures slowly running out of oxygen as

rescuers tried frantically to find them and eventually they run out of air before the rescuers get to them. in some ways an instantaneous expiration via implotion might be preferable to that, but let's hope for the best here. i want to put up on the screen a graphic that really shows how deep down this submersible and the titanic wreck is. i mean, put the graphic up if we could. there we go. so, there you see comparative heights and depths if they were to be put in the water, things like the statute of liberty, empire state building, grand canyon, talking about a depth twice the depth of the grand canyon. and i know this submersible had a warning system on it that checked literally every millimeter of the hull and any problem indicated with the

integrity of the hull, it would sound a warning and they could get to a higher depth and take pressure off the hull. there was a former employee of oceangate said the warning system would only trigger milliseconds before an implotion. >> well, to your point, every submariner knows if there is water coming in the ship, the first thing you do is go to a shallow depth. that's the first thing in all cases. and if you are not sure how much water is coming in the ship, you emergency blow to the surface. the reason i am skeptical about the idea that this vessel is intact on the bottom and the people were alive inside is because seems like they would have surfaced it, and i don't know exactly -- how this works, most of those submersibles have a detachable ballast like a lead that they can drop and then the thing will float back to the surface. and i think we mentioned yesterday, forgive me if i'm repeating myself, the one rescue

was u.s.s. squales, 1949, a difficult rescue in 240 feet of water. >> sandra: relation of a passenger on board the titan, the relationship to two titanic victims many of us have probably read, wendy rush, the wife of stockton rush, the oceangate ceo is a descendant of ida a and isador strauss, and russian

is descended by one of their daughters, married richard wiel, and richard wiel, iii, is wendy's father, the wife of stockton there. and many of us have studied titanic history and many more recently now, the strausses are remembered because they chose to remain on the ship, on the titanic together as ida strauss refused to get on one of the few life boats as crews were trying to save women and children. paul curseman a great grandson of them has told fox news, james cameron's version of the titanic depicts their love story, featuring the scene of the elderly couple, they eventually hold hands as they laid in their bed and sank with the ship. but a remarkable connection there on board the titan, brad, your reaction as we learn that. >> well, it's an incredible story and of course titanic has

captivated our attention more and more as years go by. it's something on the order of, what is it, 111 years now since it sank. and so my -- one thought i have as you are saying that is i referred a lot to my submarine shipmates, even years later we are still close and every submariner knows the biggest enemy out there is the ocean. i spent much of my navy career during the cold war in submarines and after the cold war, just briefly over, so we always knew, you know, who the bad guy was, but we all knew the number one threat was water trying to get into the ship and in a submarine, a basic navy submarine has the pressure hull, the long steel tube and then an outer hull that wraps around and between the two hulls are the ballast tanks. and we used to always say always

keep the water out of the people tank, we called the inner hull the people tank, you don't want water in the people tank. water is the enemy and when john was talking about the potential for a slow leak versus a catastrophic implotion, either one, a slow leak at 6, 7, 8, 10,000 feet, a pin hole leak is like a fire hose, in credibly difficult to stop that. so touching story but the sea is an unforgiving place and goes without saying these days. >> john: brad mcdonald, great to get your take on all of this, as we await word from the coast guard as to what it is they have found on the ocean floor. joining us now is brent sadler, naval warfare senior research if fellow at the heritage foundation, we don't want to make assumptions, but given the amount of debris related to the titanic, the u.s. coast guard

would not have put out a tweet saying it found a debris field and scheduled a briefing unless they had something that really connected this to the titan and to oceangate. what are your thoughts? >> well, like brad was saying earlier as a fellow submariner, they need to confirm by bringing the debris to the surface and have it positively connected with the titan submersible. there is, you know, new debris all the time falling into the ocean floor and moving around from undersea currents, so it could be something completely unrelated. and they may also want to put out news that now they have confirmed or confirmed that it isn't from the titan, but big news will be coming i guess at 3:00. >> sandra: we just don't know. we don't know if whether or not they are going to confirm a piece of the debris belongs to the titan or don't know yet. the question of the hour is at

3:00, if they announce that it is part of the titan, do they continue search and rescue missions or is that become search and recovery missions? we just don't know a lot at this hour. what do you estimate is going into their calculations right now? >> it's very likely they are continuing the search for the submersible. until they have positive confirmation the debris indicates an implotion, which i think increasingly is what is likely, unfortunately, for the five crew members of that but they are probably still doing the search, hoping they will find it with the people on board still alive. the hours are -- we are beyond 96 hour limit now, so if they took measures to reduce the amount of oxygen they are consuming, there is still some slim hope if the debris field is not positively confirmed as coming from titan. >> john: again, bret, i don't know why the coast guard with

announce they found a debris field unless they thought it had a connection. the construction of the craft, integral to the whole case here. most bathkaths or deep diving submersibles, the crew compartment is spherical, this was a tubular design. cbs sunday morning got a chance to get inside the craft. take a look at their excerpt from the report on that. >> we only have one button, that's it. it should be like an elevator. it shouldn't take a lot of skill. >> i couldn't help noticing how many pieces of the sub seemed improvised. >> i got these from camper world, we run the whole thing with this game controller. [laughter] >> come on. >> it seems likes this submersible has some elements of

mcgivery. >> pressure vessel is not at all. everything else can fail, your thrusters can go, lights can go, you are still going to be safe. >> john: in a separate sunday morning he did with my former colleague, chip reed, stockton rush said he thinks it will be invulnerable, and that's what chip said, that's what they said about the titanic itself. i hope there is not some tragic irony in what he said there. when you take a look at the construction of this, a very different technology. the tubular design, with the head on one side, and i don't know a lot about ocean engineering, but seems to me as though the pressure and the stresses would not be universal on this, that it would be different in different places. >> yeah. well, the parts that stuck out

to me, there was a couple of details that came out in the last few days. one in the design you have a titanium, also like a fiber, carbon fiber which is i guess the cutting edge technology, the innovation for this design. the hot dog-looking shape of this, the end on one, those are not necessarily that innovative. you want a round shape to distribute or to maximize the equalization of the pressure that is enacting on it. but the two materials, the carbon fiber and titanium were interesting, beyond the design, it's also the maintenance and the upkeep of this, is also very key, and i guess after a number of dives the vessel had some deformation and the system picked up on it but caused deformations they had to fix and that indicates there might have

been some design flaws that weren't previously known and certainly indicates maybe not quality assurance or what we call in submarine force, make sure all the parts are up to the quality standards to ensure it can go to test depth. in this case, beyond 13,000 feet. >> sandra: would you have taken a trip on this? >> from what i heard on the nondisclosure agreement i probably would have balked and asked nagging questions, having been on a submarine for many years. >> john: the waiver folks sign does stress the possibility that the trip that you take may be the last thing you do. hopefully it was not in this case. stay with us throughout the afternoon if you could, appreciate it. >> thank you. >> sandra: bring in tom maddox, underwater forensic investigators, ceo, and co-pilot of the submersible that traveled

to the wreck of the titanic in 2005. thank you for jumping back on with us. what were your thought as we learn the debris field has been found. of course you would think the fact they made the announcement, that perhaps it's connected to titan. but they chose not to say that in the release. so what is your reaction to what we are learning? >> honestly i'm a little confused by it. those of us that have been on titanic and explored titanic, we commonly refer to the debris field. it's important to understand when the titanic sunk, it broke in half and as it sunk and went down, the stern section, or the rear end of the ship turned 180° so that the inside, the broken parts of the titanic were actually facing each other and they spread apart and dumped their contents into a large area, over half a mile that we commonly refer to as the debris

field. so when i first heard this report this morning i was honestly confused. i was not sure if they were reporting that they had touched down in the debris field to indicate where they had landed in reference to the wreck site or actually found new debris from the titan sub. as your previous guest mentioned, if they can recover some items and look at them, very obvious whether it's from titanic or from titan, but they'll have to bring something to the surface or get it in a position where they can vich actually by camera identify when it might be. but i'm confused as to why that was not distinguished. >> john: i guess, tom, they probably -- they put that, and i believe it was the 6 from the horizon arctic dispatched from st. john's, flown in by the u.s. air force to st. john's, i think they arrived on scene this morning, got it down to the bottom of the ocean and almost

immediately found this but they are probably processing whatever images they got from the rov, they want to make sure of what they are seeing here, but again, i can't think of any reason why the coast guard would say we found a debris field, having a briefing about it unless it was connected to this. we all know the titanic has been there a long, long time. speak if you could since you've been down in the mir, the russian submersible, i believe has a spherical crew compartment. >> it does. >> john: speak if you could to the construction of this new design of submersible that we were talking with our other guest brent about a moment ago and the fact it's made out of different materials, it seems to me would probably compress and expand at different rates.

>> well, i really don't feel comfortable expounding on this particular submersible since i'm not familiar with it. i will tell you, though, that yes, you are correct, most submersibles have a sphere, and mir, i don't want to say experimented but they changed the sphere to use an alloy, but they i think -- changed on traditional construction. the previous comments i heard about spherical design is correct, and we were

comfortable. it's not the best for room or personnel, that's why titan was able to provide five passengers where we were a three-person submersible. >> sandra: so the debris was discovered, pretty much the only detail in the release, discovered in the search area by this remotely operated underwater robot and it is currently being evaluated. one might make the case that is happening right. perhaps it's concluded and that's what will be in the news conference. for us who don't know the ocean like you do, there's a lot of stuff out there. so, how are these robots able to decipher debris that doesn't belong to the ocean versus the things in the ocean that belong there? >> well, man-made items stick out pretty well, and the debris field, one of the remarkable things was that porcelain does not get marine growth on it normally, so porcelain objects like bathroom fixtures and

fixtures and cups and dinnerware are discernable, but also human clothing and beds and parts of the ship, human forms that stand out to the trained eye that are a lot different than the oceanic critters and creatures that live in the ocean. so man-made items have different angles and different look to them. and again, one of your guests said, they would not have been down long enough to have anything attached to it from an organism standpoint so they would be clean. so, i would imagine that using a camera and strong lights they would try to identify anything that did not look normal or not look like it had been down there for a while, and that that's what they would focus their approach to, and try to recover. >> john: tom, this titan will made a number of successful

dives to the titanic. why do you think something would go wrong this time around? >> john, i don't know, that's the answer we are waiting to find out. until we recover the submersible, or they recover the submersible, an analysis can be made forensically, like in a plane crash or some kind after tragedy they have to do material testing, look at where failure points are, maybe what happened since we don't have transmissions, we don't have communications that we know of, that would indicate any kind of a problem, it's going to be a forensic mystery that top experts are going to have to put together and take a while for that to happen. but of course, first we have to locate the submersible. >> sandra: what do you think this means big picture as -- does this change things as far as the ability for tourists to get down into the ocean at these depths? i know this was a big part of private advancement of the ability to do so. does this slow that down?

>> it does, and just like we see today in the space tourism business, there are risks involved and i had this discussion with a number of friends just over the last day or two and they talk about adventurers and rich guys paying to go on adventures. but my point of view in knowing some of these folks and dealing with some of them and i'm not a rich guy that didn't pay to go on the adventure, but every exploration has content that we bring back that helps the world, even if an exploration fails such as this one obviously has, we are going to learn by it. and unless we press the envelope through exploration, and adventure can go along with. without a sense of adventure they wouldn't do it. so overall while they are probably have paid the ultimate price for their adventure the world still can find something,

even if it's small. i mentioned earlier segment all the collective dives of titanic so far have shown and discovered 30 new species of life that was previously undiscovered. so, this is not a big, you know, a news story but that's what happened. so we develop safety standards, we develop new technology, we develop, you know, science that may help us with the environment and weather and all kinds of things. so we don't want to lose sight of the positives in this mission, although this has been a terrible tragedy. >> john: yeah, we have seen before exploration does on occasion end in tragedy. we saw that with columbia, with challenger, but we continue to go into space and now we are pushing the bounds even further with the new artemus mission and maybe the moon after that. >> i think -- sorry, john. i was going to say if i may, and i think this was brought up in

earlier conversation, the point of this one, though, is this immense rescue effort and the cost, and even the danger to those rescuers who are out there on-site. that's the point that's going to be argued or debated for a long time to come. >> john: and the potential for lawsuits after this might have a chilling effect on anybody who decided to pick up that torch and try to renew tourism to the titanic. after all, they say in a couple of decades, the wreckage might be gone. the window of opportunity to be shrinking quickly. tom, love to get back to you later if we could. >> sandra: thank you, tom. >> appreciate the information. thank you. >> john: bring back senior correspondent mike tobin at the staging area for the search in canada. what's the latest from there, mike, including the following, do we know that for sure that it was the rov from the horizon arctic that found this debris field? >> yeah, we did see it was

indeed from the horizon arctic that found the debris field. what we don't know is exactly what that debris field means and i've heard you going over that with your guest. with the people who have been around here, close to the horizon maritime operation, x and people who are close, what they don't want to do is lose that optimism they have, that hope that somehow there is going to be a miracle and what looks to be very bad news is going to somehow turn into something different. there is a -- there's a ship out here called the atlantic kingfisher supposed to be one of the rescue or recovery ships just off to my left. they have been loading up here, and we are going to pan over and a shot of it, they have been loading up here today, mostly groceries, they intend to leave port here and stay out at sea for a little while. so you have a lot of people who are trying to be optimistic, larry daily, we ran a sound bite from him earlier in the day, he

has been down to the wreckage of the titanic, he works with logistics for the titanic expeditions and the fact there is a lot of debris, that stands to reason because you had a ship that broke apart and sank, and you should be able to tell the difference between new debris and that down there since decades. baited breath and what kind of information we are going to get from the coast guard, what was found by the rov and is it indeed the bad news that it looks like it's going to be, john. >> john: mike tobin from st. john's harbor. mike, thank you so much. oh, sorry, mike, we want to keep going with you. sandra, jump in here. >> sandra: the news conference about 90 minutes from now. mike, one would assume it's a constant examination of that debris. we just don't know how much they found, we don't know if it was one piece, we don't know how wide of an area this field is

that they are currently searching. we just know debris was found in the search area, and that's about it right now. so we are -- we are really leaning into that news conference and perhaps an update there. i should say, a lot of the coast guard updates, they have not had a lot of really specific information. maybe this time is different. >> and when you talk about the debris field, remember, we are talking about a submersible that is about the size of an suv, and as you have seen the pictures of it, there are not that many moving parts. you have the thrusters, you have the hull structure itself, and some of the things that will operate the submersible. but if it were to break apart, it wouldn't be something like a debris field created by the titanic. so if they did indeed find something that looks different from the debris that's already down there, you would have to think they could identify it pretty quickly. so, some of that is speculate on my part, but as to what you are

saying, we are waiting with baited breath to see what we hear from the coast guard in about 90 minutes' time. >> sandra: mike, keep us posted from there, robert pozzini, retired special navy operations officer. do you expect this to reveal anything, the announcement that a debris field has been found in this search area for the submersible. >> yes, thank you for having me back, sandra, and one thing that has not been mentioned yet are kind of the components of the debris and any human remains would be a positive identification that would be the most definitive way to identify what the particular debris field is, and as has been mentioned earlier, i don't see why the coast guard would call a news conference unless there was something significant to report. >> john: and that's robert, what

we have been speculating about here, we are not usually given to speculate, but knowing the coast guard as we do, don't know why they would call a briefing if they didn't have something that seemed to be identifiable as connected with this. we went over this with you before, the fact that there was an abrupt loss of contact with this submersible an hour and 45 minutes, probably as it was in 10,000 plus feet of water, what does that suggest to you happened? >> yeah, so once again, you know, some of the main systems on the vessel would be communication, would be propulsion, navigation, and life support. to lose communication and still have navigation, the vessel should have surfaced. lose communication and lose propulsion and still have life support, then there is a, you know, the possibility of a rescue. but with no -- as i said

earlier, i don't think that this vessel ever reached the ocean floor intact, and so we'll find out shortly what the coast guard has discovered but there's a lot of sub systems in the main system and they all have to be working properly and military operations most of these systems have back-ups, a secondary or a tertiary, we have a saying in special operations, two is 1, 1 is none, and so we operate with contingency. >> sandra: we are leaning on some reporting from other sources, including the bbc, which is right now reporting that a friend of one of the passengers says that the debris is from titan, and i'm reading directly from the reporting and the bbc, landing frame and rear cover from the submersible are among the debris. this is an update from a dive expert. they are quoting david, who says

the debris includes a landing frame and rear cover from the submersible. this is -- murns is a friend of one of the passengers on board the titan. he has told the bbc the president of the explorers club says the debris includes the landing frame and rear cover from the submersible. your reaction to that as we await the news conference. >> interesting that they would confirm those components, but not the rest of the vessel, or the rest of the vehicle. and also as unpleasant as it is -- as it will be, there is a primary -- there's a notification of primary next of kin when there's a fatalities in the military before there's -- especially if it's a widely watched event, there is usually what's called a press blackout or a communications blackout until next of kin have been

notified. i'm not saying that's the situation here, but ultimately that may become part of this overall story. >> john: it would be nice to think that maybe there was some sort of accident that happened mid descent that marked parts of the submersible off but i don't know how those parts of the submersible would come off without the rest of it coming apart as well. robert, thank you so much. appreciate it. tom maddox, and co-pilot of the russian mir that traveled to the titanic in 2005, and again, a source, david marins to the bbc, apparently a friend of one of the occupants of the titan says a landing frame and a rear cover from the submersible has been detected in the debris field. your thoughts quickly. >> well, first of all, john, to

your favor, you are spot on in your analysis of the report of the debris field. for me personally right now, hearing this is like a punch in the gut because we do always want to hold on for hope and a miracle these folks could be found alive and news like this is gut wrenching. so it sounds, and i think you are spot on, obviously it has come apart. those are parts of the sub, if you still want to find hope, say that there are chances that the chamber, the living quarters or the personnel pod is still intact, but it sounds like a catastrophic failure. and what that means is that if it broke apart at the depth that they lost communications, that's going to be even a little bit more an intense search because the parts will be strewn. they won't be just landed in one

spot. so it's going to be probably -- they will be changing to a recovery situation now and hopefully they can find all the pieces and bring everything home. >> sandra: thank you so much. if you could stand by with us on the breaking news as we await more information from the coast guard, but right now to this fox news alert, president biden and indian prime minister modi have taken to the podium at the white house. they are in the east room and they do plan to take at least a question each. we are going to dip in here and listen and back to the coverage. >> and tackling climate crisis we face. to harnessing our shared expertise on critical technologies, like quantum computing and artificial intelligence to ensuring they are not used as tools of misinformation and oppression, we are doubling down on our cooperation to secure our semiconductor supply chains,

advancing open rand, telecommunications networks and growing our major defense partnership with a more joint exercises, more cooperation between our defense industries, and more consultation and coordination across all domains. our economic relationship is booming. trade between our countries is almost doubled over the past decade to more than $191 billion. supporting tens of thousands of good jobs in both india and the united states. add to that 1 million american jobs across 44 states will be supported by the purchase of more than 200, more than 200 american made boeing aircraft by that air india announcing earlier this year. and with this visit indian farms are announcing more than $2 billion, more than $2 billion in new investments in manufacturing, solar in

colorado, steel in ohio and optic fiber in south carolina and much more. further proof that america's manufacturing is back. expanding educational exchanges for our students, building on the record 125,000 student visas for indians to study in the united states we issued that year and opening new consulates that's going to make it easier for our people to travel, work and collaborate together. on the issues that matter most, and that will define the future, our nations look to one another, including on critical regional and global issues. and today we also talked about our shared efforts to mitigate humanitarian tragedies unleashed by russia's brutal war in ukraine, and to defend the core principles of the u.n. sovereignty and territorial integrity. we discussed our work through the quad and how india and the united states together with

australia and japan can ensure the vital indo-pacific region remains free, open, prosperous, and secure. through our new grouping with israel and the uae, we are building regional connections to the middle east and spurring science-based solutions and the global challenges like food security and clean energy. and this year under india's leadership of the g20, we are putting sustainable development at the center of the agenda. we are delivering meaningful action on low and middle income nations, including multi-lateral development bank reform, debt relief and building resilient and equitable health systems. we want people everywhere to have the opportunity to live indignity. and close with this. indians and americans are people who

innovate, turn obstacles into opportunities, find strength in community and family and cherished freedom and celebrate the democratic values of human rights which face challenges around the world and in each of our countries. but which remain so vital to the success of each of our nations. press freedom, religious freedom, tolerance, diversity. india is now the most populus country in the world. it's a democracy, and we understand that it is -- has -- it is the brilliance and the backbone of our people as diverse and talents and traditions that make us strong as a nation. it's democracies that do that. we see that so clearly here in the united states where vibrant indian american community of more than 4 million strong contributes every single day to the writing of the future of our nation.

indian americans of every background and faith representing the full diversity of india are pursuing their american dream while maintaining deep connections for their indian heritage and families. that -- that makes us all stronger. that is a cornerstone of this essential partnership between india and the united states and that is why i know friendship between our nations is only going to grow as we face the future together. mr. prime minister, the floor is yours. [applause] >> your excellency, president biden. delegates of both countries friends from the media, first of all, i thank president biden for

his warm words and for his positive views on india-america relations. friends, today is a day that has special importance in the history of india-america relations. our discussions today and the important decisions we have taken have added a new chapter to our comprehensive and global strategic partnership. they have given it new direction and a new energy. friends, a trade and investment partnership between india and america is important not only for our two countries but for the global economy as well.

today america is india's biggest trade partner. we have decided to resolve long pending trade-related issues and make a new beginning. the initiative for critical and emerging technologies has emerged as an important framework for our technical cooperation by increasing our cooperation in fields such as artificial intelligence, semiconductors, space, quantum and telecom. we are creating a strong and futuristic partnership.

the decision taken by american companies such as micron, google and applied materials to invest in india symbolizes this futuristic partnership. during this journey i also had the opportunity to meet some other american ceos and in my discussions with them i could feel their enthusiasm and their positive views about india. we both agree that to make our strategic technology partnership meaningful it is very important that governments, businesses and academic institutions come together in order to implement india and america's shared

vision on clean energy transition. we have taken several important initiatives. these cover areas such as green hydrogen, wind energy, battery storage, and carbon capture. we have also decided that in the midst of global uncertainties, india and america will as trusted partners create reliable, secure and resilient global supply chains. and value chains as well. the close defense cooperation between india and america symbolizes mutual trust and shared strategic priorities. moving away from the old buy and seller relationship we had

earlier, we have transitioned today to a relationship involving transfer of technology, co-development, and co-production. the decision taken by general electric to manufacture engines in india through transfer of technology is a landmark agreement. this also opens up new job opportunities in both countries. this will give our defense corporation a new character in the times to come. the defense industries and start-ups of both countries are important partners in this cooperation, bringing them together is the key objective of defense industrial road map, in the area of space, science and technologies, we have had long standing cooperation.

by taking the decision to join the artemus accords, a big leap forward in our space cooperation, in fact in short for india and america partnership, even the sky is not the limit. friends, the most important pillar of our relations is our people to people ties. more than 4 million people of indian origin today make significant contribution to the progress of america. in fact, just this morning the large number of indians that gathered at the white house demonstrates that the indian americans, in fact, are the real strength behind our relations.

in order to further deepen these relations we welcome america's decision to open consulates in bangaluru and engabad. similarly we will also open a new indian consulate in seattle. friends, in our meeting today we discussed several regional and global issues. peace and security in the indo-pacific is a common priority. we agree that the development and success of this region is important for the entire world. we shared our views to enhance coordination with all countries in this region along with our core partners.

india and america stand shoulder to shoulder in the fight against terrorism and fundamentalism. we were in agreement that concrete actions are needed in order to end cross-border terrorism. the covid pandemic and the ukraine conflict have afflicted the countries of the global south in particular. we believe that in order to resolve these problems it is absolutely imperative for all countries to unite. from the very beginning of the events in ukraine, india has laid emphasis on resolution of dispute through dialogue and diplomacy. we are completely ready to contribute in any way we can to

restore peace. under india's g-20 presidency, we are laying emphasis on the spirit of one earth, one family, one future. we are lending a voice to the priorities of the global self. i thank president biden that he has expressed support to my proposal of giving the african union full membership of the g-20. friends, the core philosophy in all of our collective efforts is to strengthen democracy and democratic values and democratic order. two of the world's largest democracies, india and america, can together make an important contribution to global peace,

stability, and prosperity. i'm confident that based on these values we will be able to fulfill the expectations and aspirations of not only the people of our two countries, but of the entire world. president biden, thank you for the meaningful discussion today. this year during the g-20 summit we are looking forward to well coming you. myself and all of india is looking forward to welcoming you to india. and as the president said, i have another engagement after this, i need to address the congress so i do not want to take any more time and i am going to stop here. once again, president biden, thank you very much. [applause] >> well, the congress is

actually waiting -- anxiously waiting to hear you. told two questioners, sabrina from the wall street journal and kumar from the trust of india, and sabrina, you first. >> thank you, mr. president. i have a question for the prime minister, but first two-part question for you. your comments at a fundraiser this week, the first time that a sitting president has called the chinese president a dictator. did that under mine or complicate the progress your administration has made with the relationship with china and on india, as you raise the broader issues of human rights and democracy, what is your message to those, including some members of your own party who say your administration is overlooking the targeting of religious minorities and crack down on descent in prime minister modi's country.

>> the answer to your first question is no. when we are talking to our allies and partners around the world, including india, we let the idea of my accusing and avoiding saying what i think is the facts with regard to relationship with india -- with china is just not something i'm going to change very much. i think we -- i believe that i've said this for some time, that the hysteria about the relationship with china is collapsing and moving, etc., etc., we had an incident that caused some confusion, you might say, but the secretary blinken had a great trip to china. i expect to be meeting with president xi