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essentially taking rostov-on-don the military headquarters, if you will, for an ongoing war effort in ukraine nothing short of a disaster. history is playing itself out, my friend, and we are all over it here at fox. we have aneatita vogel and grif jenkins to take you through all of it. that will do it here. be safe and be well. ♪ . griff: brand new video out of russia showing heavy flames, you see here at a russian oil refinery in voronezh not far from the border with ukraine. all this as a tense standoff is playing out in russia with president vladimir putin vowing to crush what he's calling an armed mutiny led by wagner mer merceys. and i'm griff jenkins.
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>> good to be with you on this big news day, i'm anita vogel. the leader of the armed militia is asking for an armed rebellion. senior foreign affairs correspondent greg palkot is track the latest from kyiv. what more can you tell us? >> it's a story building minute by minute and hour by hour, and you've got to believe that they're watching closely a disruption of instability inside of russia, a country that's waging now 16-month war against ukraine, is big, big news. let's recap. yesterday we heard from yevgeny prigozhin, the head of the wagner military group. and he went really ballistic yesterday and complaining about the contact of the war, russian military leadership and even claimed that the russians had fired on his forces that's when
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he took his fighters from ukraine, don't have an exact number, total of 25,000, maybe at 15,000 here, over the border, went over to a place called rostov-on-don. that is a city of one million people, about 60 miles from the border with ukraine, but crucially is the headquarters of the operations of this war for the russian military. and with only a few fire fights that we saw, he basically took it over. took it over, the command location and said he's staying put there until he get an audience with the russian defense chief and the russian head of command for the military, just so he can make his complaints. what is the developing story right now is, anita, that the wagner forces are now moving up, moving up to moscow. it's about 650 miles between rostov-on-don and moscow. and we have them as close as 250 miles to the capital of russia. and moving at high speed.
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they have encountered some resistance from russian forces, but not a whole lot and frankly, russia on high alert, moscow has been locked down, basically, getting ready for something that's coming at them. we've been hearing. vladimir putin, of course, earlier in the day. he had a video mental where he basically called prigozhin's actions internal betrayal and promised a harsh response. we haven't seen the harsh response yet. here in kyiv, yes, the russian attacks continue. overnight we had 20 missiles that killed three and left several injured and a lot of damage, but we also heard from ukrainian president zelenskyy. let me just read a portion of what he posted online about the activities in russia. russia's weakness is obvious, full scale weakness, the longer russia keeps troops and m mercenaries on our land.
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this is watch and wait time. some accounts say the leading front of wagner forces, and we have no real hard numbers on what kind of vehicles, what kind of arms, how many troops, could be reaching the outskirts of moscow by the end of the day. the idea that they would actually penetrate the capital is unfathomable to most people who are following this, but the decision has been made for wagner to have a two-front vault on russian leadership. i shouldn't say it's vladimir putin, but the leadership that prigozhin is so upset about and that's what we're working on right now and it's a moving target, anita. >> it's unbelievable what we're watching on the screen and how this has developed in a short amount of time. let me ask you, you've been covering this so long. what's your feeling that prigozhin may get a meeting
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between the russian military officials that he's seeking. >> if you're going to listen to vladimir putin. that ain't happening. in the strongest terms, he says that this is a betrayal and this is tyranny on the part of prigozhin. you won't hear that from him. you would think that maybe he could talk so some of the leadership in the military, something could be worked out, but no sign of that. what we do know very -- that the ukrainian officials here are watching extremely closely. remember, the wagner forces inside ukraine on the eastern side of this country were a big foe for the ukrainian forces. they are now gone. we've got new reports, unconfirmed, but mercenary group based from chechnya has left the country and it's going to be defending russia's interests and go after wagner. if they're gone, too, this battlefield gets leaner and leaner for ukraine and you've got to believe and this is what
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they've based counteroffense program on, they've got to be looking for any weaknesses and i don't think that the ukrainian military is going to be sitting by watching what's going on in russia right now. they could already be planning their next moves, anita. >> last 10 seconds, greg, i was asking going to ask you, what is the mood on the ground from kyiv. >> we've been hearing from various ukrainian officials, very strong, one of the top officials here, this is the price, the activity in russia, this is the price of the erroneous decision for russia to go to war. the fate of russia is hanging in the balance. they might with us, they destroy themselves. strong stuff. >> indeed. greg palkot for us on the ground in kyiv. greg, we'll be back to you with more developments, thank you. anita and greg. and we're joined by fox news
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contributor, retired general keith kellogg. we're picking up where greg palkot left off. yev yevgeny prigozhin has taken this, and it comes after he lobbed serious accusations at russian military leaders attacking his troops in the rear and causing the justification of the war and this is the key southern command center for russian forces, but the leading edge that greg palkot talked about up here and may be north of this city, voronezh. what can you tell us about the last 24 hours. >> first thing i would remind everybody what ralph waldo emmerson said last year, when you strike at a king you must kill him. that's where prigozhin is going. this negotiation cycle is broken. when you look at rostov-on-don, which is interesting here, that's the home of the 58th
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combined arms army. and that's the army responsible for fighting in ukraine and also the major logistics center. so he controls rostov-on-don. he's moving up the m-4 with his wagner group, battle tested group, fast fought in syria, fought in africa, bought in bakhmut, good commanders, seasoned commanders know how to do it and moving fast, moving on heavy equipment transporters, his heavy equipment. why is that important? remember when the russians came into kyiv. they didn't use heavy equipment transporters. they were on the ground. he's keeping them on transport to get them where he wants to go frpt inside the tanks are the crews. usually you bring the crews alongside with other vehicles, but they have them to roll off and on immediately. the key, they come up the m-4 highway out here. the key right here is across the oka river. the last major obstacle that before he gets to moscow. if for some reason prigozhin and wagner forces align with
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the military and cross the river, the last obstacle, moscow is wide open, the doors are wide open. who knows what the russian military is going to do with putin right now. and i think that's what he's trying to do. i don't think we're into negotiation phase anymore. you know, years ago, a guy named john boyd createded ood observe orient, act. prigozhin is at the a, he's at the act. i think he's inside the decision cycle and the reason why that's important because if he's inside their decision cycle, he's making moves that they cannot counter because when you get to moscow, moscow doesn't have major units. those units are fighting in the ukraine. he's got national guard units and subordinates not capable of taking on wagner, wagner is not going to occupy moscow, but to go to key facilities, the kremlin itself and minister of defense and every day that goes by, every minute that goes by that prigozhin sees that he's winning this fight he's going
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to apply more and more pressure. on the other side, the military is going to make maybe we ought to back this guy. going for the throat, a lot of the vehicles when you look at the back of the vehicles, in cyrillic alphabet, the puckish humor by the military. and they're saying to themselves if we don't win this, we're headed to siberia. they're all in on that fight. griff: let's clear on that for one second. in recent months we've seen the fierce fighting in bakhmut of which prigozhin's wagner group was a key element and could not even acknowledge as such and somewhere in the rear is where wagner troops were, that prigozhin is saying that russians lobbed missiles in there, and that appears to be the, you know, straw that broke the camel's back, that led him now to take, seize and blockade russia's defense and now moving
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up there, i guess my question is, why did that turn this massive turn of events. why that strike, and what ultimately is prigozhin's end goal here? >> i think he was talking about that before that strike. he's been talking badly about putin and the generals, and the s shoigu, shove russian minister of defense, and in all probability he's been talking about it and that was the straw that broke the camel's back. once he moved on rostov-on-don, a major city, 58th combined arms headquarter. when he made the turn up the m-4 highway, it's clear to me where he's headed to and this right here, right here, will be the big tell. >> and greg palkot saying it could be within the next 24 hours they get close to that point. general, stick around, we'll
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come back to you on the breaking story for more reaction to this story that is just something that we did not think we would be talking about on a saturday morning. anita. >> no, we didn't. we had a whole different show, griff. for more reaction to this quickly developing story in russia, we turn now to lucas tomlinson, live at the white house with more on this. >> are you hearing any reaction from the white house this morning? >> good morning, anita. we're told that president biden has been briefed on the situation in russia, still no official response to the white house yet, but heard from the top diplomate antony blinken saying in a tweet, quote spoke today with g7 foreign ministers and eu high representative for foreign affairs and policy to discuss the ongoing situation in russia. the united states will stay in close coordination with allies and partners as the situation continues to develop. that's all we've heard from the biden administration. now, a former u.s. ambassador of russia, michael mcfall says,
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now this is a civil war in russia, anita. we've heard that these mercenaries are moving unopposed to moscow. and they've taken rostov-on-don, 60 miles from the military district where the war has run. this is not a popular war in russia despite the kremlin's best efforts to spin it. let's look at the recent casual casualty figures told to fox, 50,000, over 180,000 wounded in action, russian husbands and boyfriend, now former defense secretary mark esper spoke earlier about the war with neil cavuto. >> it's a serious issue and ripples in multiple ways. it impacts the war in ukraine. if wagner leaves the battlefield you lose a tenacious and capable force. of course, there's this, what putin calls the armed rebellion against his rule.
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although it more about prigozhin versus the defense minister sergei shoigu. >> and vladimir putin 23 years of rule in russia, russia processes the largest stock pile of nuclear weapons and that's concerning here in langley and the pentagon. >> you mentioned so far 50,000 russians soldiers have been lost in this war effort and of course, it's no secret that they're suffering from low morale. we saw a couple of weeks ago a russian soldier pleading for his life from a drone from a ukrainian drone. is it possible that the leader of the wagner group prigozhin, is seizing on that low morale and counting on that? >> as you just heard from griff and the general, you know, these wagner troops, these mercenaries were ordered by putin into bakhmut to help win that battle, a 11 month bloody
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battle in eastern ukraine. that does not help if you're a low ranking russian soldier told by your president, we're hiring mercenaries, step aside and they'll come in. bad blood between the groups. we've heard about the reported strike against the wagner forces from russian forces, not the first time. u.s. officials told me months ago, that wagner hates the russian forces so much they're ratting out their positions to the ukrainians, and that russians troops have repaid in kind and ratted out wagner positions to the ukrainians. that shows where we are right now, a boiling point to say the least. >> a tangled web. lucas tomlinson at the white house for us. thank you for the update. appreciate it. griff: all right, anita, for more insight what's happening on the ground in russia, ryan chilcote has been covering the country inside and out for three decade, including continues the war in ukraine broke out last year and also interviewed vladimir putin and joining us live from london
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now. ryan, thank you, we want your insight. what do you make of all of this? >> well, this is pretty extraordinary to put it lightly. it's something that we haven't seen in the 33 years that i've been covering russia, with the possible exception of course of the attempted coup in 1991. but this is more dangerous and more unusual, i think, in a lot of waysment you know, the 1990's were full of a lot of extraordinary events in russia, a lot of chaos. but when vladimir putin came on the scene in late 1999, before he became president in 2000, he basically created an image for himself that he is the ga garantore of peace and political stability, that there will be no more chaos like in the 1990's. that's been more or less the case since vladimir putin became president in 2000 for the first time. however, since february of last year, since the war began in
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ukraine, more and more chaotic things have been happening, including inside russia, cross-border incursions, drone attacks, deep in the heartland of russia, sure, not very effective, but spectacular and very alarming, i think, for some russians that these things are happening. so, vladimir putin really needs at this point to regain that image that he is going to bring -- delivers peace and stability inside the country of the everything up until what transpired -- what has transpired over the last 24 hours really, quite frankly, could be and has been blamed on the west. so the way the kremlin narrative works, they're not just fighting ukraine, they're fighting the entire world, they're fighting west and that's the only reason why russia is having such problems in ukraine, that it just wasn't prepared to fight everyone so that is going to take a while. well, of course, yevgeny
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prigozhin, a friend of putin, home grown product, the likes of which they haven't seen since vladimir putin became president. it's an extraordinary and unusual situation. griff: ryan, you've talked to putin. you've interviewed him. you've been watching this. can you take us inside his head and guess to what he may be thinking? >> yeah, well, he's obviously livid and he made it clear in his address to the russian people this morning that he's livid and he sees this as betrayal. i think that vladimir putin has spent the entire evening thinking about how he can kill yevgeny prigozhin as quickly and cleanly as possible because at the end of the day, i don't think that vladimir putin doubts his ability to bring, to restore order in russia, i don't think he sees this as an existential threat at the moment, but it's an embarrassment and there's no way that he won't see it as that and the longer it goes on, the more of an embarrassment
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becomes. russians are at home today, the mayor of moscow just told russians living in moscow they're being given the day off so now russians have a long weekend and they're glued to their telephones, despite what we're told about russia, freedom of press, they're getting video from rostov where the action is taking place on the columns, on a media app called telegram and astounded. and vladimir putin will want to stop the messages coming through and want to do it by taking out yevgeny prigozhin as as few hother people in the process. the wagner fighters have been fighting for russia in ukraine and as recently as in the last 24 hours, all of the russian establishment has been referring to them as heroes. so, you know, vladimir putin can't have a situation where in the process of taking out
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yevgeny prigozhin, he gets into a large scale battle between russian forces and the wagner forces. he need, as far as vladimir putin will be concerned, this is what he'll be thinking about right now, yevgeny prigozhin dead and dead quickly and cleanly as possible. griff: great insight. ryan joining us from london. thank you. >> well, griff, as the world watches the events unfolding in eastern europe, we will take a closer look how some of the top g.o.p. presidential candidate would handle what's going on in russia and ukraine. that's coming up next. okay everyone, our mission is complete balanced nutrition. together we provide nutrients to support immune, muscle, bone, and heart health. everyone: woo hoo! ensure with 25 vitamins and minerals. enter the $10,000 nourishing moments giveaway.
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>> now back to our top story, russian mercenaries moving quickly towards moscow after taking a southern city overnight. russian president vladimir putin vowing to crush the armed defensive. for more on this and how it impacts campaign 2024, we're joined by republican senator from north carolina and shane massey former secretary to mike pence and a campaign surrogate for his campaign, devon o'malley. gentlemen, thank you for joining us and first i want your reaction to the latest
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developments in russia. already so much to talk about regarding the war in ukraine on the campaign trail and now there is this uprising against vladimir putin. shane, what do you think tim scott's position would be on this today? what would he say if he would be with us right now? >> yeah, it's a fascinating segment that you just had on, i've learned a lot from that. look, i think this just emphasizes that we live in a dangerous world and we need a president who is going to project strength, who will be loyal to our allies, and who will be feared among our adversaries. the world looks to america to be the shining city on the hill and tim scott can provide that lead leadership. anita: okay. devon, let me pose the same question to you. vice-president mike pence has been a strong proponent of arming ukraine and continuing to fund that effort. do you see as an opening for ukraine to gain ground in this war?
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>> sure, well, first of all, thanks anita for having me and you know, i guess as we're watching the situation, you know, play out in real-time, i think urge everyone to you know not draw any conclusions and we're not sure how this is going to end up and the experts i've talked to today indicated the same as some of your panelists have on the show, but i think the one big indication here is that the support that the united states has given to ukraine over the past several months has really been helpful in ukraine kind of piercing the veil of superiority of the russian army, and it's certainly, now, i think developed a lot of weakness within the russian military and you have to remember that vladimir putin said that they were going to take ukraine in one week and here we are many months after and there's now a mercenary, russian mercenary
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group marchling towards moscow. so this is a certainly a development, and potential to be disruptive to vladimir putin's leadership and again, i think that the american support of ukraine, which as you indicated, mike pence has been very supportive of, has played, i think, a significant role in that. anita: and shane, i want to ask you about senator scott's position on ukraine. he hasn't been quite as vocal as the former vice-president. where does he stand on the united states continuing to provide funding for ukraine in this effort? >> well, tim has said and i think straight forward on this, it's tension that ukraine be victorious in this effort and he supports the united states being allies with ukraine. he supports us being more supportive of them. so he's been pretty strong on that, but he thinks ukraine has to win this fight. it's not just about ukraine. so, the united states has to stand behind them and tim supports that. anita: of course, with this
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going on over there in russia right now, this is going to dominate the talk on the campaign trail for the next little while here, i assume, until we see some sort of outcome over there. do you think the american public is as interested in what's going on in ukraine and russia as they are with what's going on here at home, the domestic issues going on here at home and how do you balance that talk on the campaign trail? devin to you. >> sure i do. i've seen recent polls from the reagan institute that do show that americans are interested in what is unfolding over in ukraine and in russia. i think that they've lost confidence in the biden administration's ability to handle that situation. but as you indicated, it is a balance, right, and as i said at the top of the segment here, it is something that we're going to have to wait and see play out and you know, mike
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pence is a former vice-president and former governor and congressman. i think he's proven that he's able to, you know, walk and chew gum at the same time and so, i think it's-- you're able to talk about the issues that also, americans also care about, is just today, as we sit here, the one year anniversary of the dobbs case. mike pence was the only presidential candidate that was invited by the susan b. anthony list to join a teletown hall to talk about the dobbs division and what that means for pro-life movement and then a march for life down at the mall and he spoke at that event. i think that candidates are going to be able to do both and mike pence is doing both right now as we speak and will continue to do that through the coming days and weeks as it unfolds. anita: no doubt, gentlemen, unfortunately, i've got to leave it for time. shane massey and devin
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o'malley. thank you so much and have a great rest of your saturday. >> thank you. griff: all right. great discussion. coming up, we're going back on the ground in kyiv, ukraine to talk to our own greg palkot next. students all learning to save and spend their money with chase. freedom for kids. hungry? thank you, chef. control for parents. nice. one bank for both. chase. make more of what's yours. as someone living with type 2 diabetes, i want to keep it real and talk about some risks. with type 2 diabetes you have up to 4 times greater risk of stroke, heart attack, or death. even at your a1c goal, you're still at risk ...which if ignored could bring you here... ...may put you in one of those... ...or even worse. too much? that's the point.
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border, southeastern russia, where yevgeny prigozhin and the main element of the wagner mercenary forces are. they overnight basically took the place without any kind of serious fight and now settled in at the military headquarters for this whole war going on here in ukraine. and he's making his demands. he wants to speak to the russian defense minister. he wants to speak to the head of the russian forces and he wants to have complaints. that's what this started with, complaints about the conduct of the war, complaints about the treatment of his mercenaries, et cetera, et cetera. what we've been seeing the last hour or so, he might be having some trouble. and he went through the russian forces there in the city pretty easily, but there's another quasi mercenary group based in chechnya doing fighting for russia inside ukraine. it is more friendly with vladimir putin. it, according to reports, is headed towards rostov-on-don to basically stand up for putin. so we could be seeing some clashes there. the other point, very serious,
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is the approach of at least about 5,000 fighters of the wagner mercenary troops as they get closer to moscow. we have them maybe within about 200 miles of moscow now and some say they could reach the outskirts by the end of this day. again, 5,000 troops, various kinds of armor. they have been getting some resistance from russian forces on the way up. moscow itself basically on lockdown. the kremlin tight, very tight right now and people moving around, now being limited, especially on monday. that could be a focal point. the question is really, when, how russia handles this. it would seem that they could, obviously. they have one of the biggest armies around with all sorts of resources at hand, but this is a very sensitive matter and as much, as strongly as vladimir talks about the seriousness of the acts of the wagner chief,
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it's still a tricky position that he's in right now, griff. griff: greg, quickly, what does it mean for president zelenskyy and ukrainians? how are they interpreting this? >> well, they are interpreting it as good, you know, they don't want chaos for sure, but they're very happy if their russian foe is disrupted. remember, there's this chunk of wagner forces that fought the ukrainian forces very strongly, that's now out of the country. if these reports are true that the chechen forces that are here are out of the country, too, those are two elements that are seriously, if they are gone in the favor of kyiv, they're looking for an opening. they're looking for a weakness on this long front line that they can push strongly, a counter offensive which three weeks in have been faltering a bit. i've got to believe from all the indications they're looking to see, how, where, when to take advantage of this unrest
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for russia. back to you. griff: greg palkot, live for us in kyiv. thank you. anita: well, griff, for more on this developing story, the first major challenge to putin's decades' long rule. alex hogan is live with the very latest and alex, we're certainly watching history unfold here. is there any indication that you see that these mercenaries are going to stop? >> no, and it appears minute by minute, we're seeing new reports of them moving closer and closer to moscow with now new reports suggesting that the flights out of moscow might be at full capacity already, selling out and what's important, really, to remember when we look and we watch this story is the impact that the wagner group has had for russia's military forces since the war began. this group continues to go in to fight over these small contested towns like bakhmut, seizing them before russia's forces take in and the leader, of course, the man that we've been talking about since
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yesterday, yevgeny prigozhin made the claim that russia forces fired on his mercenaries and killing them. and he was a close ally of russian president vladimir putin and 20,000 mercenaries returning aim back to rush is an -- russia. and twad yesterday that he made the claims and took aim at sergei shoigu, the russian defense minister blaming them for starting the invasion last year. and another is the country chief of the general staff and urging them to come see him in rostov which has been seized and it's an important commodity hub. and vladimir putin initially promising punishment to anyone behind this armed uprising, but now the tune is slightly
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changing, urging mercenaries to surrender and it's felt in russia and a sense of heightened alarm across the continent as well. the european union triggered a block-wide crisis response center to follow some of the developments and in moscow, the mayor there urging everyone to stay inside today. there are more and more road blocks that are going up and embassies around the world are having their groups in moscow warn anybody who might be out and about, to stay home and await further information, anita. anita: alex, it's a stunning turn of events. when you think about this wagner group, they were once considered the private army of vladimir putin, guns for hire. they are a tough, tough group of fighters, and now, they are at odds with vladimir putin. so, just a strange turn of events here. thank you so much, alex, for that live report. and back to you as the news warrants, griff. griff: we're taking a closer look at how ukraine could use the wagner group split with
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>> well, we're covering this fluid situation in russia as we speak with the private mercenary group seizing control of a city and advancing closer to moscow. we have america first policy institute center for american security co-chair and fox news contributor retired general keith kellogg. general kellogg, we've talked about that prigozhin has seized rostov-on-don and they're marching north of voronezh. and as greg palkot has been reporting, his forces could get to moscow by the end of the day or at least the river crossing of the oka that you've talked about. but i want to clear the map, with putin with the biggest to
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his rule, what does it mean for president zelenskyy and the ukraine military? >> griff, good to be with you again, look, if i was the ukrainian general in charge of the battle going on right now. i'd go all in. when you look at what's happening here, the 58th combined armies controls the battle in ukraine is neutered, and the wagner forces moved out of the bakhmut and moving north on m-4. so look at ukraine. if you were ukrainians, sit back and watch or move forward. i think this is the time let's go for broke and right here here when you look at the map, what i would do, you some across sap zaporizhzhia and cut the russian forces in half. i would be thinking they haven't committed six brigades, western trained brigades, and
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maybe that get on and go for it. you've got to love history and when you look at history i was thinking in 1941, the 21st of june that germany invaded russia and to moscow. prigozhin did it in one day and history may not repeat itself, but it does rhyme sometimes. they've got a major fight going on. they're not going to be focusing so much on ukraine right now, they're focusing on survival and the interesting thing, if they get to moscow, what they're going to be facing, they're going to be facing the forces that are really national guard forces. those are basically policemen. >> right. >> those are mott hnot hardcore military forces, they're military cars facing tanks. the more the offense goes and momentum accrues through basically the wagner group and prigozhin. griff: right.
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we've got to leave it there. in the last 10 seconds, fair to say without the wagner group and without the mercenaries, russian can't continue the war in ukraine without them? >> they can continue the fight, but the question, can they fight successfully? no, you've got a very good unit, they're weak and lost a lot of forces. but goes back to what's happening with the 58th combined army. you don't have the leadership anymore, taken the leadership out and they've got a major problem. putin has a major problem. griff: an incredible situation we're tracking here, thank you very much. anita. over to you. anita: thank you, we'll take a closer look at how ukraine may be taking advantage of the chaos in russia. stay tuned for that. when you sleep more deeply, you wake up more energized. introducing purple's new mattresses - our unique gel flex grid draws away heat, helping you fall asleep faster. it relieves pressure for less “ow,” and more “ahhh.” and instantly adapts as you move,
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>> welcome back. well, the head of the wagner group is calling for an armed rebellion as the troops move closer to moscow. this as putin increases security around the city and vows to stop the uprising. joining me is jim jeffrey, special envoy to the global coalition to defeat isis members. jim, thank you for coming on with us today. tell us, if you will, a little bit about the wagner group. they're hired guns, they're mercenaries, putin's private
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army. could you ever imagined the scenario where this group, especially the head of the group, yevgeny prigozhin, would turn on vladimir putin like this? >> thank you, first of all, for having me on, anita. no, we didn't see this coming, to be honest. we had experiences with this group and defeated them in syria in 2018. they were then defeated by a coalition involving turkey and other countries in libya in 2020, but they've been active in africa, of course, they played a really big role, particularly in bakhmut, fighting in ukraine in the last year and they've built up a large force, but clearly, they're now developing against putin. and the die has been cast. one or the other, putin or prigozhin, are going to win this thing. anita: we know they have particularly brutal tactics the way they fight and we just heard from general keith kellogg in the last segment telling our griff jenkins that the russians cannot continue to
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keep up a successful fight against ukraine without the wagner mercenaries, what do you think about that? >> well, first of all, my colleague keith kellogg knows what he's telling about and he's right. it's a great news story for people in ukraine, and for china, president xi in china is looking at the news and this is his biggest nightmare. chinese troops against a failed attempt on taiwan marching on him. let's not forget that russia has more nuclear weapons than any other countries and putin for all of his faults and i have a dealt with him on syria and georgia, is reliable on nuclear weapons. prigozhin is not, and if the country starts falling apart and that will be priority number one is to get those nukes under control. anita: wow. so the wagner group wants a change in military leadership. i don't suppose there's much chance of that. so how long can this prigozhin survive? i mean, we all know putin
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doesn't take too kindly to his enemies and we know what happens to them. >> prigozhin clearly is marching militarily with a large force we're hearing 25,000 troops between rostov on the black sea all the way to moscow and halfway there now. this is an extraordinarily rapid response. we haven't seen the russians effectively stop him. if he gets close to moscow all bets are off what's going to happen. prigozhin wins, putin wins, there's some negotiated result although i doubt that, or the country starts falling apart. anita: okay. well, i said it before, history unfolding right before our very eyes. jim jeffries, jeffrey. >> thank you. >> we will have more reaction from g.o.p. candidate nikki haley right after the break. disease for years and things are a no-go because you keep seeing double,
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griff: fighters from a private mercenary group seizing control of a critical russian city. president vladimir putin new vowing to crush the unit as reports indicate troops are advancing towards moscow. welcome to "fox news live," i'm griff jenkins. anita: i'm anita vogel. the wagner group entered southern russian from ukraine taking control of process to
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have don -- ross to have to done. gregal cross -- greg palkot is tracking the latest. >> reporter: being watched closely by officials here in kyiv, could have a big impact on the war here and watched by a lot of people around the world too. there could be global significance to the what is happening in russia. it's called russian president vladimir putin's toughest test and an attempted coup, an armed uprising, a military mutiny. the man responsible for it all as we've been reporting all morning, yevgeny prigozhin. he seems to be sitting tight for now. he complained yesterday about the war, russian military leadership, russians fighter on his forces. that is why he took a number of his forces, maybe something like 10-15,000, out of ukraine and brought them into the southeastern russian city of process to have on done, and he achieved supremacy there wit

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