think we know that's the case. the question is, when will he announce? it's got to come soon. maybe end of the summer you will see an announcement from gavin newsom and i want it on the record. >> over 500,000 californians have fled the state between 20 and 2022. he will have to contend with that if he does. "fox & friends" starts right now. have a good day. ♪ o say can you see by the dawn's early light ♪ ♪ what so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming ♪ ♪ whose broad stripes and bright

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>> good morning, it is 6:00 a.m. here in new york city, and it is independence day. happy independence day to all of you who are tuned in right now. what a great national anthem and all your great photos coming in. happy independence day to my friends will and of course joey who is in for pete this morning. >> i am, i had a chance to get up early, i was on with the girls with "fox & friends" first, and i could not imagine a better opportunity to get up and work all day long than on the 4th of july, to spread the message of patriotism and freedom and how much we love this country. so you'll see me again late tonight, eight to 10 p.m., here all day, happy all day, grateful all day. >> you were with us this morning as well. happy 4th of july, in the running for top two. number one, it's close with thanksgiving for best holiday on

the calendar. no gift pressure, just family, fun, freedom. >> fireworks. >> america. >> fireworks while we still have 'em. hey, by the way, you noticed my shoes. you can't see it -- i'll put these up. >> those are awesome. >> i decided that if pete hegseth was cinderella, this would be his glass slipper. >> so sparkly. >> maybe they don't smell so bad. >> they are brand-new, it's the first time i've worn them. >> pete does somewhere in that closet. >> we are glad to be with you this morning, we'll be here the next three hours celebrating the 4th of july and bring you up to date on the news. start with this this morning. not everybody is so grateful as they wake up on the 4th of july. natasha cloud is a wnba player. she tweeted this over the last several days.

she tweeted our country is trash in so many ways. instead of using our resources to make it better we continue to oppress marginalized we have targeted since the beginning of times. black, brown communities, lgbtq+, man, we are too powerful to still be attacking issues separate. natasha cloud tweeted that, and my reaction was not outrage or anger, it was truly just sadness. and i don't often have that emotion as my initial reaction but it is sadness. i know, rachel, you and i hung out together last night on tv and a personal story about some people who have a very rough go of it in this country. and there are people who have very difficult circumstances in this country, but there are people with difficult circumstances in every corner of the globe. the real question is do you find the united states of america by the hardest path or most common path and what sets us apart is

not what makes your life difficult, but what sets us i a part what gives your life opportunity. it's truly unique. >> yeah, it is true. and i also felt sadness. i felt sadness that she obviously has never learned much about the country, maybe has not traveled inside the country. she certainly doesn't have an appreciation for the way we live compared to other people in the world, and does not understand why despite all of our flaws we have people clamoring to get into this country every single day, risking their lives to do so, those who are doing it illegally. here is enes canter, and i have appreciate, i have a mother who is an immigrant herself, probably the most patriotic woman i know, and two, i have had the experience as a military

brat of living abroad, including in his original country of turkey, where i did witness what it was like to not live with the freedoms that we have here. here is enes. >> former nba player, ask your colleague britteny griner how trash america is. calling america trash, let me know when your season is over, i'll buy you a ticket, we can go together to countries like china, russia, iran, venezuela, cuba or turkey, people have no idea how lucky and blessed they are to be in a country like america. i'm not saying america is perfect but trust me, you don't want to see the other side. >> i guess i'm glad you are so empathetic you felt sad. i could not help but laugh at the stupidity of everything she had to say, i read all of her tweets and i'm pretty sure she has a college education, it's not relevant in what she had to say. she does not spoke from facts, but learned behavior.

it's learned behavior and not experience. she puts in her tweets she was lucky and blessed with her upbringing. i don't remember what she said but painted like a more middle class family and enes told her don't hit me with the russia and china. i'm blessed enough to travel and she goes i know there are places all kinds of countries that don't have, and then lists problems we have. the one thing she does not do is list any of the countries that are the utopia she points and that's what bothers me so much about it these kids, she's probably 10, 15 years my junior. these kids grow up with expectation that does not exist in true humanity. the idea that we all will treat each other fairly and appropriately at all times, that's not the human experience. the best we can hope for is have the opportunity to make things happen for ourself, to hold those accountable that treat us badly, and hope that people

learn along the way not to treat others badly, to overcome whatever prejudice or bias they have out of ignorance. she has no grace within her and i hate that, because without grace you live a sad existence, and unfortunately no matter how much money she makes, no matter how much celebrity she gets, how comfortable her life continues to be, she'll never appreciate it. and that's kind of sad. that's a result of a society who has fought and worked so hard we raise our kids without a level of appreciation. >> she's not alone. the gallup poll tracking u.s. adults pride in being american. in 2021, 43%. 2022, 38%. and ticked up 1% in 2023. we tackled this last night when i was filling in last night for jesse watters, and vivek

ramaswamy and i came to the conclusion education system was at the heart of this. >> when young people do not know the rights they have in the country, they could not talk about the bill of rights now. when you take the rights away they don't know what they have lost. so this is actually part of the path, not just to a country no longer proud, it's the path to authoritarian state. what does that require, it requires a population that did not know the rights that they actually enjoyed. that's what history teaches us. so the loss of freedom and loss of national pride, they go together. >> echos what you said, joey, very astute, it's not -- >> and why we would be so self-defeating, we know there are national security implications to a new generation that does not love its country sufficiently, it's troubling, for sure.

>> sometimes you have to work twice as hard to raise kids to be good people. >> and that's very true. coming up, a holiday travel nightmare. hundreds of flights are still delayed and canceled this morning which has me very concerned, i'm heading to the airport after the show. but, there is some good news for millions of drivers hitting the road. that's next. >> plus, indiana jones and the box office of doom. >> helpless message is aid alienate --. clerp cler lowe's knows the best appliances are the ones that blend in. it's why we carry the new whirlpool over the range microwave.

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>> joey: five are dead and at least two others injured after gunfire erupted in philadelphia last night. >> will: police have two suspects in custody. >> rachel: alexandria joins us live with more. >> good morning to you, the shooter was not only wearing a ballistic vest, but was carrying

an ar-style rifle, handgun and police scanner on him. it's clear the plan was to harm a large number of people. who the people would be was perhaps not planned out according to police. seven people total were shot with no known connections to the shooter. that includes a 2-year-old and a 13-year-old. they are said to be in stable condition. police confirm five male victims have died, ranging in age from 20 to 59 years old, one man is still unidentified right now. a police source tells me the fifth victim was found four hours after the initial incident, was found by his father inside his home. it's believed the shooter chased him inside and killed him there. this all took place within a few blocks span in the city's southwest neighborhood. officers were rendering aid and heard more shootings. they eventually cornered the 40-year-old suspect. >> two people in custody,

including our original shooter and some point as victims were being shot we have another person that we believe acquired a gun somehow, don't know how, and picked up the gun and returned fire in the direction of the shooter that we have in custody. again, we are -- we don't know what the connection to the shooter is. >> the philadelphia mayor tweeted my sincere thanks to the police for brave response and successful apprehension of a suspect. this devastating violence must stop. and tragically that section of the city is no stranger to shooting deaths. at least three in the immediate area there last month. a majority of the shootings like in any large city are targeted. a random shooting spree, that brings a whole new level of terror to a community. guys. >> rachel: thank you, alexandria. all right. well, we have -- go ahead. joey, toss. >> you don't need to fight over

me? i love you all equally. >> will: look at carley's america outfit. >> carley: he picked out my shoes. >> joey: a fan of red over nude. >> carley: if i did not do red, white and blue, i could be greece, the greece flag. >> will: you look like the popsicle, like the bomb pop. >> carley: thank you for appreciating my outfit and joey, thank you for picking out my outfit. >> joey: i'm an expert on feet. >> carley: two killed and another four are hurt after a multi-vehicle crash in new york city. the accident happened after a teenager stole a hundai elantra and took it for a joyride with four friends. the teen eventually lost control of the wheel slamming into the back of a jeep and causing the hyundai to flip on the side.

two of the teen passengers died at a nearby hospital. and texas, recovering four bodies including an infant over 48 hours. and take a look at this video showing a truck driver leading dps agents on chaotic chase, barrelling down the wrong side of the highway for several miles. troopers later found 12 illegal immigrants in his truck. the suspect was arrested and faces charges of evading arrest, reckless driver and human smuggling. nearly 300 flights already delayed on this holiday morning, another 200 completely canceled. the travel nightmare raging on as aaa estimates about 51 million americans are on the road or in the sky on the 4th of july. but there's better news for those travelling by car. this is really cool. sheets gas station celebrating by dropping prices to reflect the year we gained our independence, setting the official price at 17.76, or

$1.77. isn't that cool, guys? sheets does fun things like this. i've heard them do this lines this before. cool promotion. >> rachel: glad 1776 and not 1619. the price would have been better -- >> carley: good point. >> will: none of us have seen it but critics are slamming -- slamming the indiana jones movie. critics are saying it's like out of the cracker jack box, hollywood running out the same old brand, the same dude, but then on top of that, marginalizing indiana jones' character and bringing in this new -- >> rachel: girl boss. >> will: she's patronizing, another iconic beloved figure

that new hollywood is tearing down. >> rachel: the new remake, harrison ford, supposed to be the very masculine, manly kind of intellectual as well hero of the series, of this franchise, he's now sort of feeble and he needs his girl boss much more heroic and brave goddaughter to save the day, so again, it's trying -- you know, feminine izing everything, men don't like it and in the end, women want to be saved by the hero. >> joey: we haven't seen the movie and i don't trust movie critics, i don't think most of them are in touch with regular people. the numbers tell the story for the regular people. they paid $295 million to make this movie, they made $60 million opening weekend at the box office. now, a couple things here i would like to point out. number one, i talked to raymond,

our best probably expert on this, and he was not so down on it. he said the trailer really hurt it. it stops people from wanting to go see it. he felt like the movie itself was a lot better than the trailer painted it to be. but they used a lot of like cgi, made harrison ford into a younger version of himself that is not real and there may be a lot of people that look for that nostalgia and see it as kind of like a fake version of it. like when we watched "top gun" last year -- last year or the year before, last year, it was an older tom cruise, and like we were able to suspend our disbelief that it was 40 years apart and he's still flying planes because of the condition he's kept himself in and the resurgence of his character. in this movie it's probably a very different story, and maybe -- >> rachel: they didn't make "top gun" about the chick. >> joey: maybe it's ok, it's just suffering from the bar that "top gun 2" set. >> will: what critics say, and

when i go rotten tomatoes, a bbc critic said i'm not sure how many fans want to see indiana jones as a brokeless helpless old man who cowers in his corner, and bleak as it sounds. and you bring up "top gun," you are talking about old 1980s era franchises, and what "top gun" did last year, 1.48 billion, 11th highest grossing film in history, 718 million domestically, and the comparison is "top gun" is fun, it is patriotic. >> rachel: unabash edly masculine, by the way. >> joey: and what stallone did with the "rocky" movies. >> rachel: the best part of the movie, pause over here. this is -- but wait a minute, this is the kind of stuff that

happened in the 1980s that now some woke executive would have said we don't need to do this, and they went no, no, we do need to oil these guys up, and give people what they want. and i think that's what happened and i think too many films are not doing that. it's also the wokefication of everything. you think about disney, the last three kids films, filled it with ideology and all kinds of things that parents don't want for their kids to watch, they lost $600 million on those films. so, again, give -- respect your audience, respect them, give them what they want. >> joey: it's not that i don't agree, i think "top gun" set a bar that nobody is going to hit. and i want to go see indiana jones and hold out because i love those movies, i'm going to hold out and hope that it's still a decent movie. i'm hoping it will be. we don't get a lot of joneses in

the top line of movie characters, and i need cousin jones. >> rachel: it's personal. >> will: imagine hanging upside down for hours. riders trapped in a carnival malfunction. the rescue you need to see. >> rachel: like my nightmare. plus, america the beautiful. checking in with proud american in utah, so abby, how you doing out there? >> so good, rachel. as you can see, they are getting these floats ready behind me for the grand parade. even though the parade has not started yet, we have been celebrating all weekend long. we have more on that after the break. ♪ she said if you work hard to get where you are ♪ ♪ good in the hot spot of life ♪ ♪ she was a big star ♪

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killing a 17-year-old in france which prompted nationwide arrests, raising more than $1 million. organizers of the gofundme said the officer "had done his job and is now paying a high price." as he faces an investigation for voluntary homicide. more than 3,000 people have been arrested across the country since the violent protests began one week ago. and take a look at this. eight people hanging upside down after a roller coaster in wisconsin gets stuck halfway through the ride. riders of the fire ball on the forest county festival were stuck at least three hours, can you imagine, before first responders managed to get them down safely. the incident comes as north carolina labor officials investigate after a visitor spotted a crack on a roller coaster support beam last week. and a san jose construction company is continuing their years' long tradition of flying a massive american flag hundreds of feet above their business.

the owner says it's a gesture to vietnam veterans and a nod to his father who flew helicopters in vietnam. it dates back 18 years to when he first opened his business. he hopes it helps to deepen the country's appreciation for vietnam era veterans and all those who serve. we love to see that, guys. >> joey: if you see someone that has like the vietnam veterans hat or you can acknowledge they are a vietnam veteran, always say welcome home. that's what they did here. >> will: how about the people upside down for three hours? >> rachel: i feel there could be actual health consequences of that. >> joey: i'm pretty sure that was a form of torture not long ago. >> will: did you ride the coasters at carnival, we did it with the sense of knowledge of the risk we were taking. >> rachel: they just fold them up and go to the next town.

>> carley: and sometimes who put it together and -- >> rachel: my husband was a carney for a while. he did lumberjack shows and put together all the stops, so i called him a carney. >> will: sean duffy tearing tickets at the tilt a whirl. time for nathan's hot dog eating contest. >> joey: a sneak peek at this year's contestants. amy, you have the hot dogs ready? >> they are getting them ready behind me. underneath the sign a few feet from the d train and the scrambler is just over there. you were talking about the rides, and i don't think it's a day to mix events, though. we are talking nathan's famous hot dog eating contest. i may skip the rides today. we have the competition, looking

at the forecast, everybody wants to know the weather. who knew that the weather would be such a factor in how many hot dogs you could eat. yesterday they had the weigh-in at hudson yards in new york city, and a lot of the athletes were talking about the weather. you know, sizing up the competition for sure, but talking about humidity, chances for rain, this morning temperatures are in the low to mid 70s here in brooklyn and a chance for showers. we talked to joey chestnut, the 15-time defending champion here, he ate 63 hot dogs last year, it was a good forecast, he said. 74 and a mix of sun and clouds. his record is 76, here is what he had to say about this year's effort. >> if it's rainy and the buns are mushy and we dunk them in the water they fall apart and wasting time -- it ruins your rhythm. people think it makes it easier to eat, one of the biggest things is you have to find the

rhythm, find your happy place and little things that -- and it can mess you up. i'm not looking for reasons not to do it. if something happens, i find a way to overcome it. >> so, he's got a strategy, if the weather goes in his favor, he could get a p.r., that would be more than 76 hot dogs in ten minutes' time. 35,000 fans will be out here. i'm a judge this year, so i put a little effort in and if i was judging you guys and how you take your hot dogs, i would say rachel, being a mom, take the ketchup and mustard mix. joey, a purple heart hello, go for relish. will, may take his with water only -- water polo -- >> will: i would be a mustard only and then say a sometimes i go relish. >> joey: i think the mustard would make you crave more water. >> rachel: i like mustard, ketchup and relish, i like to load up. i like the works.

>> will: awesome report. thank you so much. >> rachel: thank you so much. >> to be true champions you have to be able to dunk them. >> joey: the bun in the water is really gross. >> will: abby joins us live from provo, utah. abby. >> one of the many wonderful things we get to enjoy in this country is its nature. so, to fully capture the 4th of july spirit in the mountains we visited a place that offers not only an oasis but also an appreciation of the american west. take a look. ♪♪ >> this is sundance, and it is just as vibrant in the summer as it is in the winter. we are here to see all it has to offer.

>> chad, president and g.m. of this stunning place. it's amazing here, by the way. >> i'm glad you like it. >> you guys do an incredible job. >> let's say mother nature did the best job, making it as beautiful as it is. it's a very special place. >> from the moment we got to sundance, we notice it is so authentic. do you have any stories that speak to that? >> yes, a lot. first of all, i had the good fortune of being mentored by robert redford, his family for so many years and the saying was nothing fake, everything needs to be real, needs to be authentic. so authentic is a very important word here at sundance. >> there really is something for everyone here at sundance, and as soon as we heard there was zip lines, we had to do it. and bec will help me get zipped up. >> 3, 2, 1, go!

♪♪ >> my eyes are watering, that was so stunning. >> joe, you are the guy everyone keeps telling me i need to meet. >> how are you? >> you are in charge of all these horses. can you tell me more about them? >> the horses, they take people out on trail rides every day. we have paint horses, draft, quarter horses. >> how many? >> 24 up here, usually, and then we'll rotate them out with more in the valley. this is oak. >> that's who i'll be riding today? >> you will take oak out on the ride. >> let's have some fun, oak. >> we have a lot of exploring to do. let's go. >> robert redford, i've heard him say many times. sundance is not just a place but

it's a feeling. so, i reflect often about how you feel when you are here, right. if you look at nature or art or recreation, everything sundance offers, it's how that person feels when they are here. that to me is one of the most important special parts of sundance. >> what chad said was a perfect way to describe, what we all felt at sundance, the values, nature and the people make you proud to be an american, guys. >> joey: abby, your job is so hard. i don't know how you do it. >> will: she's up really early utah time. >> rachel: to keep up with everything abby is going and everything at sundance, instagram at sundance resort. >> will: thank you so much, abby. and watch fox news for more proud american governor. gavin newsom ditching crisis-ridden california to rally in red states for joe

biden. could be the progressive darling be building a coalition for himself instead? >> rachel: of course he is. ♪♪

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>> will: the latest liberal leaving california, it's governor gavin newsom. he won't be gone for long. he makes his way to republican strongholds to rally, he says, joe biden's base. the rising progressive star was just in idaho and heads to deep red montana and utah next, attempting to build a democratic coalition ahead of 2024. but is this really all for biden? gop consultant rob stutsman joins us live from sacramento, california. interesting states, not only because they are presumed to be primarily red, but they are not huge voting bases. it's not like -- they are not swing states, not -- it's not iowa, what's he doing up here in idaho and montana and states like that? >> well, he's going for a

narrative. what he wants democrat voters around the country to see is that he is willing to go to these red states and talk on behalf of progressives as why blue state policies may be better than red state policies. so all about appealing to future primary democrat voters. primary voters in 24. if not then, then certainly in 28. >> will: that's interesting. so it's democrat primary voters, not general election swing state voters he's looking to speak to. it's interesting as well as we see california has this like number one in the nation outflow of people that live in california. he's going to states where there's a lot of expat californians. he's going to run into -- you know, idaho, newly minted

idahoans. >> he will go to idaho and dude, why are you following me? you are one of the reasons i left. there is a great irony there. but in all the red states there are still liberal democrat activists and candidates, and it's a big deal for someone like this, a rising star in the party nationally to stick up for them, raise money for them and rally their own base. this is all about rallying base and defining himself for i believe a future nomination. he's probably doing a fairly good job of that in that context. >> will: you can run away from california but gavin newsom will chase you down for idaho or whatever -- >> he's coming for you. >> will: coming back to grab you. talk about him as a surrogate for joe biden, approval rating, a notch above 40%, he's not doing well. there are rumblings out there, politico had an editorial recently rob saying look, we have to primary this guy.

argument made by jack schaefer in order to make biden stronger. but nothing will make biden stronger. the real question, is he going to be replaced along the campaign trail. >> well, so that's the irony here. newsom may be out saying he's campaigning for biden, believes in him, etc., etc., but he's really checking the vitals every morning how joe biden is doing, he would love nothing more than to step into this race in 24 should biden falter or not be able to continue forward to pursue a second nomination. and he's not going to sit around and wait for kamala harris to be an heir apparent. so as much as this is all about stumping for joe biden, it's about being ready to step in for joe biden should it be necessary. >> will: perfect situation, declining candidate and you stepping in to pretend to advocate for him, ready, though, when the king falls. rob stutsman, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thanks, will. happy 4th. over to you.

>> carley: more news, starting with this, the israeli army wrapping up one of the biggest west bank raids in 20 years. ten palestinians were killed during the "anti-terror" operation, and 100 others were hurt. israel's national security adviser said the operation is close to completing the achievement of the goals set. a new report revealing universities in georgia spent millions on diversity, equity and inclusion efforts before recent state budget cuts. report detailing the pay of diversity staffers, salaries as high as $281,000 a year to be the head of georgia tech's $8 million dei program. state lawmakers approved in march to axe funding for the programs. and the animals at the brookfield zoo in illinois celebrating independence day,

treated to red, white and blue foods, like frozen fruit and jello as a 4th of july treat zoo keepers say giving animals treats they don't usually receive keeps them stimulated. >> will: the polar bear is terrifying? >> carley: i don't want to meet a bear any time soon. >> will: dangerous, but the reputation as the cute, cuddly bear. just because he looks like the snow does not mean he's nice. >> carley: i would hang out with a panda bear. >> will: is that cool, safe, or do they get after you as well? joey says they are even worse. >> joey: they are. >> than a polar bear? >> will: not worse than a polar bear. >> if you are a piece of bamboo.

>> will: the high court may have overturned affirmative action, but wait for the disadvantage scale. but first, is a.i. the perfect wedding officiate? megan and harry in the flop era, is a housewife calling it quits? joe concha next. ♪ i know it's hard to remember sometimes ♪ ♪ you have to keep your head up ♪

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>> carley: special edition, joe concha and i touch on the stories that everyone is talking about. so, first off, hollywood facing backlash over its ties to china. senator ted cruz accusing the new "barbie" movie of pushing ccp propaganda and grovelling to the communist regime. criticism coming after vietnam banned the movie over scenes with a map showing china's claims to the territory in the south china sea. so-called nine dash line. joe, is barbie communist? >> maybe. hollywood is like the nba, they don't stand up to china when it counts. this movie is fiction and so is the nine dash line that you see during the movie around vietnam. if i'm the studio, i have a big disclaimer in the beginning of the movie saying you know what,

you are about to watch fiction and in china's mind they think they own that area around in the south china sea around vietnam, that's fiction, too. >> rachel: also trying to hide the fact they have a trans barbie. the only doctor barbie is a man. and chatgpt officiates a wedding. >> message is look at the robot officiating the wedding instead of the bride or groom. in the end there is no heart and it's a distraction, and probably this thing in a couple years will blow away with all the ceremony anyway, so what are we doing here? >> rachel: ultimate in outsourcing, seriously. next topic is meghan markle and harry. the deal, they are saying now that they are in their flop era. everything they touch does not turn to gold.

has the royal carriage turned into a montecito pumpkin? at midnight, the carriage, the pumpkin -- >> i should know that having kids. i don't like to root against anybody, duffys are killing it in the podcast, but you attack the queen, you attack your family, you call them racist and this is the delicious result. >> rachel: trying to make money off trashing your family, this is what happens. they have a lot of egg on their face. it's been not so great. this made me sad and now they claim it's not, but kylie richards, mauricio, rumors they were splitting. 27 years of marriage, now they have a statement out on instagram that says any claims regarding us divorcing are untrue. however, yes, we have had a rough year. the most challenging one of our

marriage. but we both love and respect each other, there has been no wrongdoing on anyone's part. we ask everyone for a little privacy as we work through this. >> i see those situations and wonder what is real and what is not. so, when you have a reality show, you were once on a reality show, but only one season. when you have as many seasons, after a while you need new story lines and hooks, after 27 years, and all the kids they suddenly don't want to be with each other anymore, or it's a cliff hanger and oh, they get back together at the end of season whatever right now. >> the rumor was she was with -- that she was having an affair with a female country singer, but now that rumor is put to rest. he is super cute, let's hope for the best. 27 years, that's a long time, joe. >> that is a long time, i just celebrated my 13th anniversary in italy, that was nice. >> they say 27th -- my worst year, the first year.

>> sean has great hair. >> love the shoes. >> thank you, love the bow tie. the second hour of "fox & friends" starts now. ♪ you may find out who you are ♪ ♪ living in america ♪ ♪ living in america ♪ >> will: good morning, welcome to "fox & friends" on this second 7:00 hour in the east coast, bumping in with the throwback. a little bit of nostalgia for you. james brown "living in america" as you look at michigan. >> joey: can you name that movie? >> will: absolutely i can name the movie, the song is bigger than the movie, but it's immediately associated with "rocky iv.