still about the hope of tomorrow, because. childhood cancer has to end. interviewer: please, call or go online right now. [music playing] >> hello, everyone, happy 4th of july, this is "outnumbered," i'm molly line. joining us is tammy bruce, director of the tech policy center at heritage center, kara frederick, fox news contributor and dr. janet nesheiwat and fox news contributor joe concha. it is day to light fireworks and celebrate the founding of our nation, wave our flag and

appreciate the opportunity that country blessed us with. american pride is on the decline. 39% of adults took extreme pride in our country, down from three years ago. pride in our nation has been on the decline for 20 years and an interesting distinction, gallup found 60% of republicans were proud and 29% of democrats did. "wall street journal" released american pride poll of their own earlier this year with just 38% of americans saying patriotism is important to them. at 1998, the figure was 70%. pride is not the only tradition heading out the poll, 39% of americans think religion is very important, down from 62% in

1998. stunning new fox news poll shows majority of americans believe the country's best days are behind us. gallup poll found 70% of americans have no confidence in national government. start there. joe concha to the midstel in the hot seat. what do you think? >> joe: one other part about this poll that stands out to me. what is the best country live in the world? is the u.s.? they asked american voters. go back five years, 83% said u.s. best country to live in. this year, down 20 points, not talking about the 1950'ses, we're talking eight years ago and a precipitous job. mollie and ladies, the reason why, we see so many institutions being weaponized. we saw it during covid and

department of justice and fbi and the police being demonized. a lot is in the media. a border is open, seven million people have come into this country. as a parent, i see act test scores at a 30-year low. we can do better. we must do better. the poll numbers are understandable, talking about education, crime, in philadelphia and baltimore, the horrible shootings and democratic leaders say this is the new normal, accept it. no, we shouldn't accept it. >> molly: we are heading into an election year, people are trying to divide and talk back and forth. tammy, your thoughts on the numbers and the shift over recent years in >> tammy: it is the intern sxet

we might have a feeling what our neighborsor family are thinking and we see everybody who has vocal cords online talking about what they think and that is fine. it gives false sense of what is happening in this country. you hear people, you think it might be majority, when it isn't. young people online with social media. i concur with joe, i think it is not at all about people actually having a deep change of heart about the country. it is about reacting to the nature of what is going on inside the country and remember, unlike other countries, we're still a baby country, really the first country united and together, not because of geo graphy or not because of 2000 years of history. we've come here and it is about ideas of this nation.

when we see ideas being strangled, it worries us. the founders anticipated this. we have elections every two years and it can shift from eight years ago and we're worried about the future, and we don't have to worry about the future. this remains the best country in the world and expect this up and down. we have to acts, we're the sovereign. today is reminder of that, we'll do it again in a year and a half and stick with it this time. >> molly: when gallup asked this, 55% were proud, after 9/11, extreme pride went to 70% until 2004. and the internet and social media, your thoughts on that, that is world you are an expert in. >> exactly, i want to bring into

the conversation specific digital playoffs and one in particular, tiktok, 67% of american teenagers are on tiktok. they use it in some capacity, 16% use it almost constantly according to a 2022 pew research survey. it is beholden to the chinese communist party to the head company called bite dance. next generation of citizens imbieb og this matters. what i can tell you, from enterprising journalists who do experiments, they will push gender dysphoria and all kind of things. i can tell you, they are not seeing love for the united states of america all over this playoff. there are pro-chinese communist

party nafative pushed on this platform. we know that through leaked documents, this is massive problem and will matter in next 10 years when this next generation grows up. >> molly: there is age divide on this, older americans say they are proud to be american. 40% ages 35 to 54 and drops down 18% of 18 to 34 year olds. >> dr. nesheiwat: as a daughter of immigrant parents, my parents immigrated to ellis island 50 years ago. i'm proud to be an american and grateful, as well. look where we are right now as a nation. inflation, for example, at 4%, three years ago in 2020, it was 1%. americans are living paycheck to

paycheck, not in alignment with wages. look at pandemic, shutdown, mandates, increase in anxiety and depression and ptsd and joe, crime is rampant, no control with that. drug overdoses, people dying and losing their lives and combined together, culmination of why we see this decrease in younger population, who were isolated and most impacted by the lockdown and shutdown. they were least risk of the pandemic, yet they were hurt the most. if you take a step back and look and see this patriotism in our country, poleings will change based on who is in the white house, who is our president, what is the health of the economy. exactly. can we recover? we are resilient nation, we recovered from the pandemic that

took lives of millions globally and 9/11 that caused a lot of ptsd and anxiety and depression. we are resilient nation with shared values and today is day to celebrate unity. >> so many share values. >> molly: joe, please. >> what nationality is dr. nesheiwat? >> my parents came with nothing and worked hard and instilled in us value of god, family, education and they showed they can achieve the american dream if you put your mind and heart -- >> thank god for adventurism. >> i have the ellis island tie, too. >> hundreds of flights cancelled this 4th of july.

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♪ ♪ >> molly: i love us, don't you? this year's independence day weekend is shattering travel records and tcircumstance a is screening 2.7 million per day. many have had to sleep on airport floors. airports reported 5000 total delays and last week saw 40,000. the delays are spilling into

today, transportation secretary pete buttigieg thinkless our air travel to trending in the right direction. >> we've had improvements, we had hard few days with weather at beginning of the week and that put pressure on the system. >>yia, mother nature is just bad. maybe secretary pete should read inspector general report, itim clas flight problems could linger for years due to mismanagement of the traffic control shortage. americans may be sitting on the tarmac for another few summer, bring refreshments, mr. buttigieg is passing the buck to airline by ordering them to pay customers. how about compensate fliers and i recallas for controllable

dysfunction? what is interesting, this is predictable, it is a holiday, we've seen problems build up. we have department of education and secretaries to manage and make things smoother, only job to make our lives smooth and better. that is why we've hired them. an issue regarding the faa, talk about dysfunction in management. they will not hire you unless you are younger than 31, you must retire at 56. they are making hiring people more difficult and forcing out the experienced. what is your take on this. you know importance of human resources. >> dr. nesheiwat: i was stunned when i read this reports, they had to pause training for faa controllers. they are considered essential workers, so because of that pause, that is why we have shortage of them. it is harder to get in.

you can only apply once a year and be less than 31 years old. once a year is the opportunity and you have to retire so young, instead of encouraging them to apply more often, opposite i think this. they were following covid guidelines whchl they reopened, they cut their class in half to 50% to follow social distancing guidelines. because of nonscientific covid guidelines, we see shortage of pilots and flight attendants and it will take years to recover. >> working in news, he says one thing and you have to report that. we're effectively being gaslit a little bit. yet the other factors matter. how do the american people

really claw through this and realize who is at fault for what their situation is? >> people have gotten more and more frustrated, we've seen monster airline stories about airlines this year. people will speak up. transportation department offered warning saying faa made limited effort for controller staffing and that lack of plan to address personal shortages poses risk to continuity of air traffic operations. you see a government official say one thing and the report comes out and says here is another thing. people get more and more frustrate and demand answers. >> on day we recognize and embrace the fact this is greatest country on earth, it fe feels deliberates, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

flying is available to more people, it being abouts more affordable, doesn't this add to concern the country is heading into? >> i think it does. there is prevailing feeling things aren't working the way things uses to post-pandemic, due to unscientific policies implemented by various government entities and the pilot shortage, airlines were pushing, more mature and more experienced pilots to retire early to cut cost. litany of blame to go around and frankly, i was one caught in the 40,000 delays last week. i'm close to the problem to comment dispassionately, i spent the night in tennessee, had to get my parents to watch my

10-month-old baby unexpected. that is a big problem and frankly we have to have competition in the market place and have to have new entrant and other various ways to get americans traveling again like the country, it used to work. >> traveling is up, people are go, joe, they want to fly and visit and see the world. we bailed out the airlines during covid and expect things, no reason to not come back more smoothly. what do you think when it comes to people stuck in this? will this have people retreat again or do we recognize it is a governmental problem. >> joe: talked last break about new normal. too many people expect a delay at this point fchl it goes off without a hitch, i don't want to go on the plane, this carm issa too good, i'm due for something bad. transportation secretary was mayor of a little town where he

couldn't fill a pot hole. he could have made ambassador to new zealand, you give him transportation, this sprawling department he had no business running temperature is like hunter biden running a company. the buck never stops with him. height of the supply chain crisis, he takes paternity leave and doesn't tell anybody. we see time and again on holidays, this is happening, policy has to change, i can't get over the chat you shared, you have to retire when you are 56, would you sign up for that? how do you recruit with those guidelines? >> dr. nesheiwat: you don't, this is one symptom dumb decisions that make no sense. that is why we have elections. we can get through this.

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>> americans across the country are gearing up for a day of celebration with friends and family. fireworks and parades are taking place throughout independence day. liberal media claiming americans are finding reasons to celebrate. so awful. "new york times" reads no spark lers for folks, whether crowds,

politics or loss of patriotism, conflicted about celebrating 4th of july. new york women's political qualm told outlet last summer roe v. wade was overturned and that made me less inclined to celebrate and says that even if she wanted to celebrate, she would worry about the message it sent. times cites arkansas woman who took issue with fireworks, it is hard to tell the difference in guns and fire 2k4r9works. it makes me nervous. they are bad for the environment, they release toxic chemicals. that woman posted this on tiktok. take a look. >> 4th of july is coming up, i would like to remind everyone, it is okay to not celebrate or take advantage of the

festivities and celebrate something else. i will probably go to a barbecue, those tend to be host by a black family. celebrate the fact we are still here despite america trying to get rid of it when they were trying to gain their independence. >> "new york times" elevated that woman, it is not a controversial holiday, that is untrue. there are two points here, joe, one is the nature of this being what i term a push story is that it creates narrative that is false. you have america is hundreds of millions of people. we love this holiday, understand. gen-zers, people from new york complaining about the heat of it, some is post-pandemic.

look at this, people are talking about this, "new york times" says this is controversial. what does this say to you? >> joe: this is how the cake is baked. activism in journalist, that piece is how it, wos. whoever the writer was for "new york times" had a narrative to go with, i need people to portray as regular people that we portla as this is indicative of how america is thinking on certain topics like july 4. they find ms. tap. she talks about, i will not go to a barbecue, i will with my black friends and hang with her navajo nation friends, checks every box and definition is when i say i will only hang out with people of a certain color, instead of their character.

this is not hard. >> i don't think this was lack of awareness of the stereotype she was perpetuated. i don't know where family is, when it comes to family and influence over young peep toll not have her put that on tiktok. they are not getting the fact with freedom, there are ups and downs and things you disagree with and that is worth celebrating and that she can put up tiktok and not expect to be arrested tomorrow morning. >> the critical thinking element is absent from people who post like this. we need to talk about gen-z, she citeds a concern about 4th of july celebration, fireworks are bad for environment. lancet did a study and found that half of young people think

humanity is doomed. >> thanks, greta. >> exactly. we have to contend with this, i am a millennial, it is part of my job to educate them, yes, there could be man-made changes on the environment. we have technology to contend with that. it is a gen-z issue. they are swimming in a toxic -- >> that leads to issue of our mental health crisis, which is affecting younger people and nature of their obsession and worry about toxic things. the environment will kill them, doctor, what do you say? >> especially today, 4th of july, never had a patient with copd or heart attack because of fireworks. talk about climate protection, what about private jets that

burn 5000 jets per hour, more than one person in a of welltime as far as carbon footprint. looking at mental well being and health of our country, it is good to get out and look at what our founding fathers and service men and women have done for this country. good for social awareness, we are creatures of human to human interact and it is important we bond with each other, we will see increased risk of suicide, increased risk of students coming in to the emergency room with thoughts of suicide and harming themselves and others, look at the big picture. >> mollie, message from the left, they need to lighten up

and relies on perpetual victim hood that informs how they view everything happening in their lives. it is like you just think nothing is hopeful. you're out there and reporters, you have to get out and talk to people. what are you see something >> i love to hear different perspectives, here we are on chinese-owned website criticizing this american holiday that people are grateful for their nation and she can do that because this is america, this is a fundamental thing she can get on and criticize and it is fine. talk about the generational thing. i'm gen-x, we get yelled at to go outside and there was no other choice, there was nothing else to do. when it comes to social media, everyone is posting and you feel obligation to get on and join in the conversation of the day and

share that opinion. then it can get picked up and here we are talking about it. it does catch on and can have an effect and become part of the conversation, which could be wonderful. it is fascinating. also being influenced by people around you. on social media. when i think about july 4th, i think about my grandparents, my grandfather put out flags and maedz sure it was always there. he everybody issed in world war ii. that is part of my soul and something i pass on. you just hope you can pass it on to the next generation and part of patriotism and pride in america is part of that. >> we see that with tiktok, social contagion usually are not positive. beautiful story for all of us. coming up issue not the way you want to spend the 4th of july

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>> officials in charlotte, north carolina, launched investigation after visitors spotted crack in support beam of a roller coaster while people were on the ride. the fury 325, billed tallest and

fastest roller coaster with an 81-degree drop. the ride has been shut down. it was another scary situation, eight people left hanging upside down after roller coaster stopped halfway through the ride. riders on the fireball were upside down for three hours. who is biggest roller coaster fan? >> not me. >> i don't mind them, that should be changed to the bat cave ride hanging upside down like that. i like the space mountain at disneyland. you can't see where you are going and you are in a building, that gives false sense of

safety. we are ruining people day today with these stories. what shocks me is how you can miss that crack in this type of ride. some karen out there spoke up, that is good. >> joe: karens are good. >> somebody has their eye out. >> it was such an eshg normous crack, seems visible from the ground. it is crazy. the upside down when you have the car at home and it goes tick, tick, tick up and gets stuck. i was a ski instructor in high school and trained on bringing people down from lifts if it got stuck. three hours up there, hanging upside down, what is the plan in place if something gets stuck? >> the lawyers are calling or running over to the amusement park right now. >> doctor, what happens when you hang upside down three hours? >> probably came off with a bad headache. who isspecting? supposedly inspecting them on a

daily basis, huge crack to have missed and these problems and what caused this. roller coasters are going 95 miles, up to 150 mile per hour with gravity force, these people could have been hurt and they are lucky. i am not afraid of heights, you won't find me on roller coasters, but i will be on it's a small world at disneyland. >> can technology save us? >> mollie will save us, climbing up and getting us down. what do you do if you have to go to the bathroom? do you have to put a diaper on? what is happening? >> do the best you can, it is only fluid, so what, you soil your bottom, it can be changed or watch washed. i wouldn't want your bladder to

burst. >> with heart attack and things like that, how much can a human body take on a roller coaster like this, is there significant danger? >> that is why you see a warning, be a certain height, don't have a pacemaker, make sure you didn't just have surgery. you don't see the older population on these. joe, you have a solution. >> i do, yes, places like universal, virtual reality is getting bigger. simpson roller coaster, the screen moves, you know you are not moving. got numbers, cbs poll, of course. roller coaster most popular ride at amusement park, 35%. second most popular is bumper cars, 10%, my favorite, log flum. i'm a dad of seven and nine year

old. my seven year old has no fear whatsoever, i have to go on the rides, you have to have an adult. my biggest fear. what do i do? you are on your own? >> he's making you a better man. >> he busts my chops, i scream so much. not afraid to admit it. >> abby hornacek is live in provo issue utah at america's freedom festival. hot air balloon festival, biggest parade of its kind in the modern u.s. that is next ♪ but i wonder if you just take a few seconds to pray with me real quick. in the name of the father and son, holy spirit. amen. lord jesus, come to us now. help us to surrender ourselves completely to you.

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♪♪ >> americans across the country are celebrating the 4th of july with parades, barbecues, even hot air balloon rides. in provo, utah, fireworks, a

stadium of spectacular and of course those hot air balloons. it wraps up today with the grand parade honoring our military and first responders and fox news host abby is there with an amazing gig. you have the best job. to you. >> i can't argue with you there, molly. it has been incredible to be here. freedom fest has given us so many opportunities to celebrate this wonderful holiday over the last several days. as you can see, the grand parade just wrapped up, but people are still wandering around, maybe heading to freedom days, where we are going to next. we'll keep you updated on that. all of this started at stadium of fire, where tens of thousands of people gathered to celebrate country, family, faith, music, and of course, fireworks. the night started with a flyover by f-35s as fireworks burst into the air. people cheered, even some people told me it was their favorite part of the night. for all you music fans, a

special performance by legendary journey, and light things up with the largest stadium fireworks show in the country. that did not disappoint. neither did the balloon fest, started before sunrise three days in a row. thousands showed up to launch 30 hot air balloons launch over the mountains of utah. and the eagle, like its name suggests, was very patriotic. as soon as we touched down, there was a group of people, and i asked three members of royalty on a float in the grand parade. >> what makes you proud to be an american? >> definitely the culture of kindness we create in our communities. the incredible freedoms that we are blessed with. >> i'm proud of our legacy of independence. >> independence, the freedoms that we are blessed with, that's all due to our nation's heroes, of course, our military, serving

now and our veterans. i had the opportunity to catch up with a world war ii veteran of the greatest generation. here is what he had to say. >> i think the very basis the country is built on gives me great pleasure and honor and i hope it continues to be based on this that we are a republic under ourselves and so far we haven't been beholden to anyone to take care of us to the extent that we have helped them. i think we lead the world. >> and that is because of those incredible veterans. i should mention probably about 350,000 people at the parade, guys, and the u.s.a. was in full force, people in their red, white and blue. so it's been a wonderful experience. >> wow, wow, that is a lot of

people, and thank you so much for highlighting those veterans. you can hear their love of country and how much they want to pass that on. abby, great work. you know, that is part of why july 4th is so special are people like that, that understand the celebration and what it really means and have sacrificed for america. i want to get your thoughts people here on the couch that have family members that also serve, kara. >> yeah, i think the whole idea is to live lives worthy of their sacrifice. my father, i talk about this a lot, is a 30 plus year marine corps veteran. my husband is active duty. we met while deployed together in afghanistan and i think we have to understand that our inheritance is not guaranteed. we have to fight for it, we have to work to preserve it, and i hope that every american family today will take that cognition home. >> for me personally, so grateful to our servicemen and women, especially my brother, mike waltz, congressman waltz,

he is retiring this month after more than 20 years of service in the united states army as a green beret commander, so it's people like him and others, my sister also who served in military intelligence as a captain in iraq and afghanistan. so, all of our servicemen and women that have served for us, to give us this day of freedom, to sit here and talk to one another is a blessing. >> i don't have anyone in my life now who served but i do a lot of genealogy, and what is fascinating, the commitment to service all the way back to the revolutionary war, found a picture recently of one of my ancestors, in the civil war, and it reminds you about the commitment but also for that world war ii veteran that abby spoke with. we can't let them down. we can't be the ones that forget or look away or think it's just too hot outside. we can't do that. and that's who we have to fight for. >> and give them that voice.

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♪ started singing bye, bye miss american pie ♪ ♪ drove my chevy to the levee ♪ >> another good one, patriotic play list ready for today, some new music experts are sharing what they say are the top five songs about the u.s.a., "america the beautiful" by ray charles, followed by "god bless the u.s.a.," "this land is your land," "american pie," and "only in america" mine is whitney

houston, 1991, the super bowl, national anthem, unbeatable, iconic. >> giants-bills, super bowl 20, big sombrero in tampa, disappoint you, whitney houston, unfortunately, lip synced that rendition. >> and then she raised a lot of money singing the national anthem to raise money for the troops, just as the gulf war was getting underway. >> that's right. >> so just the impactful timing of that. >> you still get chills watching it. >> i did not know that, oh, wow. but, my favorite, the o.g. "lee greenwood," we would stand up when the "stand up" part of the lyrics came on. my favorite. >> "america the beautiful," and ray charles, the delivery, the nature of performance makes all the difference and it reminds

you, it's the heart and soul of it. >> doctor. >> "the red, white and blue" by toby keith. >> do not miss tonight, joey, carley, aishah and jimmy will be hosting. life fireworks, live performances, and then fox news, home of the brave, fox news hosts will interview some hosts. >> gillian: right now at the white house, president biden holding an event with the national education association, that's the largest teachers' union in the country, the president wrapping just about a couple seconds ago. welcome to fox news live and happy 4th of july. bryan, great to be with you. >> nea has been very vocal in the wake of the supreme court court ruling on affirmative action, student loan forgiveness