>> brian. here, steve. >> yes, yes, come on. come on. yes. >> are you okay? >> that's called a wicket. that's a wicket, look at this. destroy, destroy. >> bill: might need a replay on that one. good morning, everybody. armed and extremely dangerous is how police describe an inmate on the hunt. it's in pennsylvania. new clues to lead to his capture where we start. hope you had a grand weekend. i'm bill hemmer. back with the team here. >> dana: we're here. i'm dana perino and this is "america's newsroom." it is great to be back with you. the story is one you think how can this still happen in today's world? police are search for this guy. he broke out of jail and made a

rope out of bed sheets and escaped from the warren county jail. he is a suspect in multiple cases involving rape and murder. >> police say he is the prime suspect in the killing of this woman accused of gunning her down before kidnapping an elderly couple at gun point. >> dana: investigators are relying on dogs, drones and helicopters. recently abandoned campsites believe he is still in the area. they are warning folks to lock their doors and stay vigilant. >> this gentleman is very, very dangerous. they should report any unusual situations or things out of the ordinary. >> he is a survivalist and has been known to do these things in the past, be able to survive out there. >> bill: we mention northwestern pennsylvania where cb cotton reports from warren today. good morning. >> good morning, we've learned a

lot over the past 24 hours. he is not only an expert at surviving in the wilderness, a source close to the investigation says he has worked to become skilled with firearms outside of his military training. no matter where you live, state police say you need to know this man's face because he is dangerous. >> this is an area that people from outside of the warren area come to for hiking and kayaking, canoeing. hard to say what his mindset is. whether anyone is in danger. i do think anyone in this situation becomes more desperate over time. >> he has family in nearby states. according to a law enforcement source. police say it is possible he is receiving help on the run. in addition to search efforts in rough terrain we've seen officers follow up on several tips. investigators are taking every one of them seriously. the police entered a home with

guns after possible movement inside a vacant property. most of the search efforts are focused in the wooded terrain near the jail using helicopters, drones, canine and infrared technology to stay on top of his movements. investigators believe he is prepared to live off the grid. >> we have located some small stockpiles or campsites in wooded areas in the general vicinity of warren. it supports what we've said all along he is prepared as a survive allist in the past and tried to be ready, if you will, to spend time in the woods. >> as for the escape, a law enforcement source telling me he used a makeshift rope that went from the top of the jail all the way to this awning. there is only a short jump from that awning to the ground. >> bill: wow, more to come on that. we'll stay on it. you as well. cb cotton in warren,

pennsylvania on a rainy monday. >> dana: the search for another escaped inmate on the west coast. he went missing yesterday from a medical center in sacramento. he is accused of shooting a highway patrol officers and took hostages at gun point and killed one of them. authorities say call 911 immediately if you see him. >> bill: another alert now four minutes past the hour. big meetings in europe. president biden holds his first meeting with king charles since his core nation. the pair talking about the environment and climate crisis. that sit down comes before the critical nato summit that focuses on the war in ukraine that begins tomorrow. president biden's foreign policy faces yet another test at that meeting. alex hogan is live in london for step one today. alex, hello. >> good morning, bill. this is a very big day for president biden here in england. the u.s.'s closest ally, 25 miles outside of the city at

windsor castle meeting with king charles iii to discuss one of the king's major concerns, which is climate change. this is his first official meeting with the king since the monarch's coronation in may. the president dodged questions about his conversation with turkish president erdogan and whether the country would green light sweden's bid to join nato. the possibility of -- the president touched down in england yesterday. as far as conversations here, biden praised sunak said he couldn't be meeting with a closer friend. they talked about nato and sweden and ukraine and war efforts as well as the economic partnership between the u.s. and evening linoleate.

as far as where the trip will go from here the president travels to lithuania with the meeting with nato. the main concern will focus around support for ukraine without yet giving ukraine a membership to enter the bloc. >> bill: a lot on the line. nice to see you in london day one for this trip overseas. >> dana: former president trump holds a lead in the polls other republican candidates are trying to stand out in this crowded field. the question they face whether to attack their gop rivals or keep powder dry. what to do? rich edson live in washington. hi, rich. >> there is some concern among trump opponents that powder may be getting too dry. the former president maintained a consistent lead over republican challengers. over the weekend in las vegas trump again boasted of that advantage. >> we're leading in texas by 50 points. nothing will change. ron, you are gone.

>> the former president acknowledged he is focused on florida governor ron desantis, the closest opponent in the polls. desantis countered he is not running the juice the polls now. >> we've got a long way to go. i'm looking forward to participate in the debates. but this is not something that i have respected to snap fingers and will of a sudden you win seven months. you have to earn it and work. >> he does have a half year before any republicans start voting. some analysts say he has enough time to work his strategy. other republican candidates, notably chris christie, argue the gop field is too tepid around trump lightly criticizing him and hoping he goes away. new hampshire's republican governor says the challengers need a new approach. >> you won't get a trump voter. they are voting for donald trump. so i'm not sure what they think they are getting. >> the candidates have been spending time in sununu's state.

republicans set the iowa caucuses for january 15th. the first overall contest in the gop presidential nominating process. >> dana: it felt like that's in just a few months. we are definitely underway. thank you so much. >> bill: we have our big debate in 6 1/2 weeks. that will fly by, too, at the end of august. coming up later in the show talk to doug burgum. he is trying to change you not knowing his name. he is the governor of north dakota and has a story. >> dana: former vice president mike pence will be here also. >> bill: we have a ton of questions coming up shortly. the skies opened up. >> look at the people's door. oh my god. >> bill: this is still a problem in the northeast today. catastrophic flooding in new york's hudson valley yesterday.

torrential rain turning roads into rivers and stranding folks in their cars. one person died as a result. the threat continues. storm is bearing down on new york on vermont, which we seldom see. reports there are cars under water in that state today. fox weather is live in hyland falls, new york today. >> it is impossible to get into this town today. water was gushing with such strength it collapsed highways. i saw some roads in pieces making my way to town. heartbreaking swept away a woman in her 30s when she tried to drive to higher ground. we're dealing with the water receding. people who live here have a muddy mess left over. these conditions caught a lot of people off guard. they got about eight inches of rain in 15 hours, more than this area typically gets in an entire

summer season. so things peaked around 2:00 to 3:00 when they took on three i-inches and hour. it looked like rivers they were looking at. crews worked through the night at times using boats to rescue people stranded in homes or cars. flash flooding was all over northern hudson valley and not really in the clear yet. forecasters are telling us more than 40 million people are at risk from flooding with heavy rain from north carolina to new england. we expect an update from the new york governor in the next couple hours. she has already declared a state of emergency in two counties including in orange county where we are. it should free up funding for people who need it with the recovery process now. >> bill: we'll be in touch throughout the day and see how it goes. fox weather, more coming up on that. president biden may be overseas,

his investigations back home into the business dealings of his son and that plea deal are moving full steam ahead. what to make of it. clay travis has some ideas coming up. >> dana: a gunman riding a scooter goes on a deadly shooting rampage in new york city. >> bill: it has appeared on stage again. this time the victim was harry stiles. the latest victim in a disturbing trend live on stage. ♪ if you're the spouse of a military veteran, i want you to know something. your spouse has earned the right to apply for a va home loan. a va home loan is unique. it's different than other loans because it allows you to borrow up to 100% of the home's value. that extra borrowing power may allow you to pay down debt, lower your monthly payments, put cash in the bank, and give you the peace of mind that every veteran deserves.

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disgraced sports doctor larry nacer has reportedly been stabbed multiple times inside a federal prison in florida stemming from an altercation with another inmate. he is said to be in stable condition serving decades in jail for sexually assaulting female athletes under his care, including several female olympic medalists. that's just breaking out of florida. >> dana: republicans missing into mistakes made during the investigation of the biden family businesses. chuck grassley demanding answers from david weiss about why

i.r.s. agents were allegedly left out of a key meeting involving biden family bribery accusations in october of 2020. the deadline for answers is now less than two weeks away. we'll stay on that. >> bill: the media confronting the age-old question about president biden in an interview with cnn from the weekend the president is asked if it's time for him to step aside and allow the next generation of democrats to get their shot. considering the democratic frontrunner would be in his mid 80s during his second term here is the question and answer on this. >> many of these people do say, ardent supporters of yours, the next thing he should do is step aside. >> president biden: the world is changing and i think i -- there is one thing that comes with age if you've been honest about it your whole life and that is some wisdom. >> bill: his answer now. we've heard it before. clay travis to share wisdom of his own.

good morning. there is no doubt that some democrats want him to hand the reins over tonight. i'm not so sure he will do that. sometimes when you get an interview like this and pop the balloon on that question, does it change things? or not? >> it does, bill and dana. appreciate you having me on the show. i think there are several things that are all coming together here that i believe, guys, is evidence of why joe biden is not going to be the nominee in 2024. i think he will step down. let me give you a couple threads. over the weekend i'm sure you guys saw "the new york times," maureen doud savaged joe biden over his failure to acknowledge the seventh grandchild that he has in arkansas. in fact, his insistence to tell everyone in the white house to refer to him only having six grandchildren, which is a lie. the atlantic, liberal left icon

publication saying joe biden needs to step down. the cnn interview even with lots of prep biden doesn't appear to be up to the job. even the pictures that came out and video of biden dragging around the chair on the beach over the weekend. he looked frail and incompetent. he looked not capable of doing the job. we'll see how the trip to europe goes. but also as you began this segment, all of the continuing evidence that surrounds this situation as it pertains to the investigations coming out of the house. all of that is adding up. i don't think there is any doubt at all that the amount of negative attention is growing and as you mentioned, bill, he will be in his mid 80s if he were to they want an open primary season. they don't want kamala to be the default nominee. if they do that biden needs to announce lbj style in the next

two months he won't be running anymore. >> dana: the headline from the atlantic piece. step aside, joe biden, the president has no business running for office at age 80. let's go to the "new york times" maureen dowd. her sister had supported joe biden for many years but she is dismayed at the president not recognizing the grandchild and the end of the piece says this. the president can't defend hunter and draw the line on accepting a little girl. the president's cold shoulder and heart is out of sync with the america he wants to continue to lead. that leads me to one more thing, clay. which is aoc endorsed biden on the positive america podcast but doesn't sound like her heart is in it. listen here. >> the president's only primary opponents or williamson and kennedy junior. will you be supporting joe biden for re-election?

>> given that field, yes. i think he has done quite well given the limitations that we have. i do think that there are ebbs and flows, as there are in any presidency. >> dana: this is amongst democrats. >> look, they don't want -- the biggest protection right now, this is crazy, the biggest protection to joe biden right now is that kamala harris is even less popular than joe biden is because i believe -- i don't know if you guys agree, when joe biden was elected in 2020 i have think the expectation was i will store normality to the white house, he hasn't done that. i'll step down and pass the bat on to the next generation of leaders to kamala harris, the heir apparent going forward. she has failed. she is even worse than he is. and as a result, they don't want biden to step down and by step down i don't mean leave office, announce he is not going to run

again, stepping down from the race. they don't want kamala to be the default nominee. they want to have a primary season. if that is going to occur, then biden needs to step down as a candidate in 2024 sometime this fall. and i just don't see any way that physically he will be up to this running campaign, remember he didn't have to run really in 2020. they hid him in the basement. they won't be able to do that anymore. democrats know it. they don't want him to run. they want a competition and i think sometime in the early fall biden will announce, dana, just like back in 1968 we saw with lyndon johnson, he is not going to run. i didn't mention, by the way, the strength of counter candidates. look, rfk junior has got a decent amount of support and he is not even being acknowledged by biden. they aren't letting him get out there and do any of the debates. same thing with marianne williamson.

at some point i think gavin newsom will step into this fray and i think ultimately gavin newsom will be the nominee for democrats in 2024. >> bill: you are on record early fall, maybe you are right. but so far he is resisted and said that wisdom is the key to managing all these issues. clay, nice to see you. have a great week. clay travis. >> you have a great week. good to see you. >> dana reads sports. [cheers and applause] >> dana: let me explain what happened here, bill. wimbledon is a tennis tournament in the u.k. ukrainian defeated a belarus

player. it was the first time at wimbledon a ukrainian tennis player faced a country aiding russia in the war against ukraine. it took three sets and ended in the tiebreak. tensions over the war in ukraine were mixed in with tennis. the ukrainian refused to shake the other player's hand and will continue to do this for anybody -- from a country waging war against ukraine. >> bill: let it keep going here, guys. we missed it. she did wave apparently and then -- >> dana: then she got booed by the fans booing the belarus player. that doesn't happen a lot in wimbledon. >> bill: i read about it over the weekend. very interesting. this player from ukraine i was not familiar with grew up in odessa. you can have a conversation about sportsmanship but if your hometown is being bombed for the past 500 days, what are your own

personal feelings about being on the court and winning and how you express yourself? >> dana: ten years ago there was a male winner and actually fighting in the war and so he suited up and -- >> bill: it was quite a moment. the tournament has been great from a sports perspective, really good stuff so far. he worked as an interpreter for our forces on the ground in afghanistan, even survived the taliban takeover only to be killed in our nation's capital. a victim of america's crime crisis, more on a heartbreaking story and we'll talk to people who knew him. governor doug burgum said energy policy is the centerpiece of his campaign and tell us why. ah! ah! ah! trouble booking the family vacay? come on. comfort has free hot breakfast for the whole fam. they have waffles! and splendid pools. cannonball! book direct at choicehotels.com.

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today. see about that. republicans demanding more action. chad pergram is live on the hill and what kind of action might they get, chad? >> good morning. questions abound a week after they found the coke, gop lawmakers are mystified why it's taking so long. >> when this this is supposed to be one of the most secure places in the world and cocaine was found. that's very serious. >> they wonder if the episode indicates other potential security lapses at the white house. they are baffled that investigators are struggling to get to the bottom of this mystery because the white house has an exhaustive camera system and security logs. >> there is one thing i'm sure of, having been in that section of the white house, having put my phone in those lockers, this time of year there is no chance you are wearing gloves. no chance that there won't be fingerprints and that they couldn't print and check each of the people, including what's on that plastic bag. >> the white house has been

defensive about the cocaine and when asked if the coke may have belonged to the first family, white house spokeswoman karine jean-pierre noted they were at camp david. >> we aren't avoiding the question. that's not true. we've answered this question for the last three days. there have been some irresponsible reporting about the family and so i have to call that out here. >> if lawmakers don't get answers, this could emerge as a major gop line of questioning for f.b.i. director christopher wray at a hearing wednesday. >> bill: chad, we'll see. still waiting. chad pergram on the hill. thank you. >> thanks. >> dana: america was once the dominant power on the world stage. now a republican presidential candidate says our nation's energy policy is chipping away at that dominance with

adversaries threatening the u.s. on several fronts. he is going on in on eney making it the centerpiece of his campaign. north dakota governor and gop candidate doug burgum. 90% of voters don't know who you are. in this moment, tell us a little bit who you are and where you grew up and why you are running. >> grew up in north dakota, a tiny town of 300 people on the plains of north dakota. great place to grow up. the best of america. my dad passed away when i was a freshman in high school, a world war ii navy vet. mom, widow going back to work with three kids. when i was in my mid 20s after having all the jobs you have where you take a shower at the end of the day working on the farm and ranch i worked as a chimney sweep to pay my way through college. took farm ground and mortgageed that and the seed capital for a software company and grew from less than ten kids to over 2,000 team members. customers in 132 countries,

global software powerhouse. then in 2016 i was -- an open seat for governor. a no name. no one heard of us in north dakota. jumped into a primary and six months later won 60/40. >> bill: you went from private business to public life. i'm sure some things have been a bit of an eye opener in the public life since then. the clock is running on your candidacy. you have 6 1/2 weeks to prove that you can be on that debate stage on august 23rd. right now you are in the category of likely but not a guarantee. how do you change that? >> i think first of all we'll be on the debate stage. we'll get there. >> bill: you will get the 40,000 signatures from all the states. >> absolutely. if your viewers go to doug burgum.com we can be there sooner than you can imagine. we will be there. >> dana: you have said that you would vote for president trump if he does become the nominee but that you wouldn't do business with him. if you are running against him

and you would be better than him as president, why that distinction? >> well first of all this race is a lot more than about doing business with people. i will tell you somebody i wouldn't do business with, that's president biden. the policy he has had on the economy and energy and national security. they are affecting every single american. americans know this and see it when the price they're paying for gas at the pump. they see it in the electrical and heating bill. they see it when they see chinese spy balloons flying over the country and opening up a spy base. the issues affect every american. >> dana: why wouldn't you do business with donald trump? >> i've spent my life in technology. it is changing every job, every company, every industry. and we're looking forward. i have always been in businesses and now when i've had a chance to serve as governor we treat the taxpayers like customers. that's why we've been able to drive efficiency cut 1.7 billion out of the 6 billion bunch et in north dakota and kept trains

running on time. someone needs to have an understanding how to deliver more efficient services. the government is so far behind. everyone says we have to return power to the states. so i've seen it as a small business person running large businesses and as a governor, the federal overreach is so incredible. the red tape, the lack of permitting is choking am industry. the energy policy we are empowering dictators like putin. he would never invaded ukraine if europe wasn't depending on his energy. now the their oil and gas is 20% off the world market. china is buying it. our policies are turning -- >> bill: energy in north dakota is huge but you have committed to carbon neutral policy by the year 2030. the biden administration reflects that. how do you get pro growth policies out of states like north dakota if you want to be

carbon neutral by 2030? do those two align? >> in north dakota they do. the biden administration's approach is regulate, regulate. they want to hit goals by increasing red tape, burdening american u.s. energy. in north dakota we set that goal avant said no new mandates or regulation. we'll cut red tape. we passed 51 out of 52 red tape reduction bills in the north dakota legislature this year. our goal to get there around having carbon neutral is based on markets. people are willing to pay for this. north dakota we have the ability to decarbonize liquid fuels and base load electricity to lower prices for americans in terms of energy and is not going to do -- biden administration wants to put in 5,000 charging stations and you can't build a transmission line in the country and trade opec and get all of our ev batteries from china? we can do it with liquid fuels. in the midwest sustainable

aviation fuels with bio fuels. we'll be the powerhouse. china imports more oil and gas than any other country in the world and when secretary blinken was there i don't know they brought up energy. then we had -- we have had families in north dakota out of work in the oil patch and this administration has gone to venezuela and to the middle east and asked those countries to produce more energy. if you cared about the environment you would want to have every drop of energy produced in the united states because we produce it cleaner, safer and smarter. >> bill: there no contradiction between your policy. >> we're doing it through invasion on markets. america's he money and strength, america, we won the cold war in the 1980s on the strength of our economy. if we hamstring the economy we might as well put leadership to china right now. >> dana: if it doesn't go your way in terms of becoming the president would you be willing to serve as energy secretary? >> i'm not running to be a

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>> dana: afghan interpreter killed in the nation's capital. yar escaped that country two years ago after it fell to the taliban. last week he was shot dead working as a lyft driver in washington, d.c. retired lieutenant colonel matt butler joins us and jeremy

malone, both helped bring him to the united states after america left with all the chaos two years ago. let me start with you, matt. tell people about him. >> he was one of the most friendly and kind and intelligent hard working individuals i've ever met in my life. taught himself english just through association just by being around us and as has been documented gave 18 years of his 31 year life in service to this country, not his. >> dana: jeremy, i understand he even raised his hand when he was ten years old. >> actually matt could speak to that better than i can but he was always helping.

it was important to him for afghanistan to be safe. and so he hated the taliban. it was very important to him to help. always important to him. >> dana: matt, how close did you two become? those relationships with the interpreter are very important and in a lot of ways many people like yourself said the interpreters helped save their life. >> absolutely. i became very close to him when i met him. he had been on -- working on the base from about ten until age 18 when i met him. he was actually only a couple years older than my oldest daughter and so in some ways it was a brother relationship and some ways a father/son relationship. i stayed in touch with him after i -- my two deployments with him and then ultimately 2020 reached out for assistance with the immigration process so we began

the process of bringing he and his wife and four kids to the country. that one photo i saw him in 2022 at his home in philadelphia and spoke to him regularly. >> dana: i know you were instrumental helping him get her and moves to philadelphia and decides it is too unsafe a city for him and his family and decided a better place would be washington, d.c. we know that turned out not to be true because he was murdered last week. so when you think about him as a family man and all he did to bring his family here, what do you want people to know about what they are going through at the moment? >> well, they are very heartbroken. this is a very difficult experience for the family because they don't have a lot of connections here. this is culturally just very different to leave a widow without a lot of support system. she never expected to be in this kind of position.

she is a housewife. her job is to take care of the kids and family, and there is a lot of grief and stress a tremendous amount of responsibility on her shoulders now that she isn't prepared to handle because one, she has never had to make those decisions before. she never had to consider that she was going to be the head of her household and there is really so much stress on top of a lot of grief. he loved his family so much and they have so many decisions to make and nothing here works the way it did in afghanistan so it is grief and immense stress all at once. >> dana: let me give you the last word. anything you would like people to know. >> yes, i would really like to say that i hope that the gentlemen that took his life will have an experience that will cause them to turn their lives around and to live a life

that is memorializes ahmad and the life he lived. one of selflessness and sacrifice and one of humanity. >> dana: matt and jeremy thank you for coming to us today to spread the message about his amazing life and tragic, horrible, senseless death. thank you both. >> bill: what a loss. president biden defending his decision to send cluster bombs to the front line in ukraine and leaking a military secret along the way. we have analysis on that in moments. the rapper $0.50 declaring los angeles as a city is finished. the progressive policy that helped him make up his mind. helped him make up his mind. k. the rate on credit cards is now over 22%. if you want to save hundreds of dollars every month, pay off the balances on your high rate cards with a lower rate va home loan from newday usa.

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[crowd gasp] ♪ with clearer skin, movie night is a groovy night. [ting] ♪ live in the moment. ask your doctor about otezla. >> president biden: the ukrainians are running out of ammunition. the ammunition they call them 155 millimeter weapons. this is a war relating to munitions and they're running out of that ammunition and we're low on it. i took the recommendation of the defense department to not permanently but to allow for in this transition period where we get more 155 weapons. >> bill: there is president biden interview let something slip there. the u.s. is running low on a specific kind of artillery used heavily in the war. it happened as the president was defending his decision to send

cluster bombs to ukraine. we're getting new video showing the after math of a russian attack on a ukrainian aid center. four people killed there. general keith kellogg. the war beat goes on, general. good morning to you. coming up on day 500. on this 155 artillery, just should we be talking about that publicly? >> yeah, bill, first of all thank you for having me. look, it is really okay to be talking about it. frankly, we're not running low in the sense of war reserve. we keep a four-month supply of 155 ammunition and others in our reserve stocks. we started doing that after the first gulf war and kept six months and went back to four months. but here is the thing that is more important. that is a tell. he said something that is not being spoken about. the fact is that the ukrainian counter offensive is not going well. the reason why it is important

the dpicm. what that does, cluster munitions gives you a 5-1 ratio. think of a football field. a round goes off in the middle of the field and you get an explosion. this releases 80 and covers the entire field. the reason they need that is because of the trench lines the russians set up that a dual and a massive mine fields and not being able to punch through. this is a way to what we called steel rain to try to break through to give them an advantage to get through into maneuver warfare. part of the problem is the loss they've taken over the last year. their military dna and leadership is low just like the russians because they have lost so many soldiers and leaders. so they are using munitions to basically off set it. what president biden said okay we're really not in a critical mode.

what he meant to say is we're having trouble with the counter offensive and need a way to figure it out. >> bill: here is what i see. reflection of a war of attrition, right for both sides. the public admission that we have to now do cluster munitions, you know how controversial they are worldwide for a time these were the type of bombs that would explode ten feet above the ground and they would scatter in every direction possible. 50 years later we're spending millions of dollars in laos trying to diffuse bomblets that haven't gone off and hence the reason for the level of controversy. having said that russia has been using this against ukrainian civilians since the war began. it is all awful. let me share with. biden is right on cluster bombs for ukraine. officials in kiev are best suited to weigh the risks of their own civilians. the point of this whole conversation about munitions, 155, cluster, this is a war of

attrition. how does it end when we have reached this point, general? >> well, it really doesn't end and that's my big concern. we are helped heading to and endless war. we made a big mistake not giving them the equipment they needed, the abrams tank only giving them 31 and haven't done that. we've been slow to the fight and march to be able to do it. they are extending the war. that's what will happen as you continue in this fight. this looks like it is a war that will never end and that's when they are talking about it this week they need to talk about this. they need to talk about nato, what does it look like and what does ukraine play in nato, bilateral security discussions. all that has to be talked about because today as we speak, this offensive is not going well and it looks like the war turned into a war of stalemate. >> bill: if it's hit a face-off

that's what putin wanted, right? if you get a face off you get pressure to get a cease-fire and work toward a settlement and russia stays there in southeastern ukraine. >> that's correct. that's right. they do, bill. but this is one of those we'll have to make the hard choices going back to 1955, the chancellor of germany made the hard decision. do you take it all or half? do we want to have an endless war? over 300,000 soldiers have been killed on both sides. you look at the cities that have been destroyed. 1-third of ukraine the people in ukraine are gone. they are displaced citizens and refugees. how will this war end? it's a discussion they need to have this week. how will we get there? what are the hard choices we have to make? i don't think we're up for the fight right now. >> bill: we ar