say this is an extremely important issue for the american people to understand how their data is being used. location data, bio metric and medical and mental health and communications and information about people's internet activity and while i understand that that's complicated, that is the reason that you come before us so that the american let me ask you this. does the fbi have a written policy outlining how it can purchase and use commercially available information? >> there's a number of policies that bear on this topic, again, that can be part of the same briefing that we're happy to provide. i don't dispute this is an important topic. i'm saying because it's an important topic that a minute and 12 seconds counting down is not the best way to explain it. >> i understand that. i'm asking whether there's a policy. sounds like there's a policy. when was that policy last

updated? >> i don't have the answer for you on that. there's a number of policies relevant for this. that may affect -- >> you'll commit to providing those to us to explore them together? >> i will commit to provide a briefing that will have very helpful information. >> what about a written policy explaining how commercially available information can be used in criminal investigations? >> i think it's all wrapped up in the same answer i just gave. >> the reason that this is so important is because the question is whether the fbi uses that data to generate leads for investigations only or further along in the investigative process. there's public reporting on dhs contracts with the same data brokers that i mentioned earlier totalling millions of taxpayer dollars. as you know in the 2018 supreme court decision in carpenter versus united states, the court held that it's a violation of the fourth amendment for the government to access historical

local data without a warrant. does the fbi have a written policy interpreting the supreme court's decision in carpenter? >> if i recall correctly, there was guidance -- i can't remember if it's a policy or what that came out after the carpenter decision. again, i think that will be encompassed in the briefing -- >> i'm going to follow up with you. i thank you for your service, this is a critically important issue for the american people to understand. we have bipartisan support around fisa reauthorization and the concerns about fisa reauthorization. unless we understand what measures the fbi is taking to ensure that people's privacy is protected, i think it's going to be a very difficult reauthorization process. i'm sure you know that. thank you. i yield back. >> well-said. i appreciate your work with colleagues, bipartisan approach in this area beyond have friends that want to help you on that. we go to the gentleman from -- director wray, if we can take a

couple more and then a little break if that works for the director. a couple more and then a break? okay. we'll go. mr. moore is up. >> thank you for being here today. in 2022, you testified before the senate judiciary committee and stated "i condemn any retaliation against whistle-blowers." you still agree with that statement? >> yes. >> you feel your actions as the fbi leadership during your tenure live up to that sentiment? >> yes. >> director wray, are you familiar with a special agent gar garrett o'boyle? >> i'm familiar with his name. >> his clearance was suspended. do you find that suspicious? >> i can't discuss a specific security clearance matter partly

because the security clearance determinations are made by odni directeder, the security clearance manager, which is not the fbi director. i don't want to insert myself in to the process while appeals are pending. >> as a leader, it's important. we need to have the opportunity to have whistle-blowers and talk to congress and talk to us on issues. to restore trust in the fbi, it's imperative for you to allow whistle-blowers to come over. the fbi is tanking. it concerns me. i come from a fairly rural district. the concern is weaponization of the doj coming after conservative american citizens that just want a voice in the process. i would encourage you, mr. o'boyle, i understand he's been suspended since september of 23, almost ten months now,

2022, suspended in 2022. almost a year now the man is trying to go without a paycheck. can you make it tenth months without a paycheck, mr. wray? >> it prefer not to. >> you talk about your wife not being real happy taking a pay cut. can you imagine ten months later and you're still going through a process for just a whistle-blower coming to congress and trying to inform us on issues he sees in the fbi. i think we can help you if you'd allow us. in some ways, we have to look at this whistle-blower and other whistle-blowerers and be truthful with the american people. two quick questions. why would the fbi offer christopher steele a million dollars to verify trump collusion and the same fbi offer $3 million to squash a story about a hunter biden laptop. you have anyway a law enforcement agency would be playing in two elections? >> well, i -- you raised a number of different issues there. first, as to the steele dossier,

that of course is a subject treated at great length in the durham report, which we -- again, predates my time as director. >> i understand that. the same agency paying a approximately dollars to push one story out and collaborate one story and $3 million to quiet another story for political -- >> i would -- the second part related to twitter, i would disagree with your characterization respectfully. when there's payments to social media companies, that is by longstanding federal law going back i think about four decades where we have to pay companies for their costs in responding to legal process. it's not just social media companies. it's other kinds of businesses as well. >> when those stories get out and you understand the dossier story. i know that wasn't under your watch but the hunter biden laptop story. that -- i'm an everyday guy. i'm not an attorney.

it looks extremely political. that's why you're having trouble keeping the fbi's reputation afloat. i'm going to yield -- >> yield and enter in to the record -- director wray, did the fbi ask finance institutions to turn over their customers debit and credit card purchase history in the washington d.c. area for january 25, january 20 and 21? >> i don't know the answer to that as i sit here right now. >> we do. bank of america gave us this e-mail from the fbi to bank of america. >> i am aware that bank of america provided information to the fbi. what communications occurred between the fbi and bank of -- >> let's read it. we are prepared to action the following thresholds. customers with purchasing between 1-5-21 between 1-6-21. the next bullet point is more

scary. any historical -- capital letters, any historical purchase of a firearm. you guys asked financial -- at least bank of america, we think m more. did you guys ask them? >> i don't have the full sequence of the back and forth. looks like you have one e-mail i haven't seen before here. i don't know that i have the full exchange that -- >> does they mail trouble you as much as it does the members of the judiciary committee that the fbi is asking for -- we had members of congress here that week, first time they're getting sworn in as a new member of congress, their family in town and they may happen to be a customer of bank of america and you're sweeping up credit card purchases and you're saying overlaying that information with did this person buy a firearm?

>> the question is? >> i'm just nervous about that. are you nervous about that? >> as i think i have testified before, my understanding is that our engagement with bank of america was fully lawful and that we recalled the leads that were cut to -- >> if it's lawful, that's my next point. if it's lawful, why did you say we're not going to use these leads? that's what mr. jensen testified to when we deposed him, the director of the terrorism unit at the fbi. we did you not use the leads if it was lawful to get the information? >> there are -- >> it's 1:18 over time. >> sir, there's plenty of times where there's things that we lawfully can do but that we decide is better than we not do. i think that's what happened -- >> the idea that mr. massy said earlier, this is lawful that you can ask this is scary. something else we have to change. with that, i yield to the gentle lady from -- we have a unanimous consent request from mr. moore. >> yes. "wall street journal" article

i'd like to enter into the record say republicans -- >> without objection, the chair recognizes the gentle lady for texas and then we'll take a break, director. >> good afternoon. thank you very much, director wray for your presence here. thank you to the men and women of the fbi in particular and the work you've done on gun violence and as well the work that you've done in keeping the americans safe. let me very quickly move on some issues that have been made a cheap part of the work of our friends on the other side of the aisle, republican members of this committee and spent much time of this hearing claiming that areas of the u.s. government have been weaponized against the american people. director wray, are you or your staff rewonizing the fbi against the american people? >> absolutely not. >> thank you very much. let me thank you as well for your civil rights work. emphasize that in addition

there's been representations that the fbi exaggerates fbi reports or data. certainly january 6 had its many different story tellers, but that was an act of domestic terrorism. i don't know how you could have exaggerated that as evidenced by the special congressional committee we had. let's think of domestic terrorism as it relates to the good men and women of law enforcement. 2020 in texas, a white supremist was engaged in conspiracy involving swatting. a harassment tactic and all of the emergency services showed up over and over again. does domestic terrorism impact on america's law enforcement and first responders? >> absolutely. sometimes law enforcement or themselves are the intended victims or targets of domestic violence extremism. >> though you have a good

committed individuals, does the critique is legitimate. that's our job. was the constant condemnation impact on morale of fbi personnel or those trying to join the fbi? >> well, look. our people are human beings and nobody likes to see the organization they've dedicated their careers, their lives to unfairly criticized. but i will tell you as i said in my opening statement, the good news is our people are tough and resilient, our attrition is in the low single digits and we would be the envy of any employer and our recruiting unlike what is happening in law enforcement more generally, which is up very significantly. >> and i look forward to it being diverse. let's start with whistle-blower journey here. are you familiar with kyle serapin? >> i'm familiar with the name. >> is that a yes?

>> i'm familiar with the name. >> the committee heard testimony that he was suspended after mishandling his service weapon and wanted to use two females as shooting targets. that was testimony of jennifer moore, h.r. under human resources under oath from the inn. mr. serapin describes himself as a whistle-blower. are you familiar with former fbi agents garrett o'boyle and marcus allen? >> again, i'm familiar with the names. allen was suspended for interfering with an investigation of a january 6th suspect. allen and o'boyle testified before the weaponization committee in may. were you aware of that? >> yes, ma'am. >> they are clearly there for all friends and family to see. i assume they wanted to be seen. do you know who cash patel is,

if you know? >> yes, i know who he is. >> he's an aide to president trump, isn't he? was an aide? is an aide? president trump? >> he was an individual that served in a number of different roles both up here on the hill and in the executive branch. >> thank you. another picture. it's the checks that serapin sent to o'boyle and allen. each check was for $250,194. these men were paid $255,194 after they testified as so-called whistle-blowers and should be noted that it says here as it says for holding the line. director, at the time that serapin and patel gave o'boyle and allen these checks, do you know if they were still employees of the fbi? >> i can't speak to that. i don't know the answer. >> if they were, 5 crf -- i'd appreciate to get an answer in

writing whether they were or not prohibits fbi employees from getting cash exhibits. >> a lot of rules apply to this. i don't want to weigh-in -- >> if they were, that rule applies about cash gifts? >> i'm not aware of a situation in which they -- >> just generally, if that applies to fbi agents about not taking cash gifts, is that correct? >> there's rules that apply 0 special -- >> thank you. let me finish this. can you explain why an fbi agent should not receive cash? let me move to one that i think is extremely important, mr. chairman. just a moment. here's what i think is most interesting of this whole puzzle. >> time expires. >> do you know who else empower oversight -- >> have a unanimous consent

request? gentle lady's time has expired. >> thank you so very much. >> please respond. >> the so-called irs whistle-blower who jim jordan had rely upon. does anyone need further proof that these allegations are ginned up and advanced by those don't want to see us follow the law? here's another person that wants to join you on the 702 but the fbi has begun major reforms and i think we should recognize that. you've been very kind. i yield back my team. >> gentle lady yields back. my guess is they got the money because they wanted the money to trying to feed their family. >> they haven't received the money. i have a unanimous consent request that was put out in this hearing. jerry nadler lies about whistle-blower getting 250,000. marcus allen has not received

$ $250,000. enter that in the record. >> the committee will take a five-minute recess and come back. >> all right. in that time, we're going to pull away and start to talk about about what's going on. this is "outnumbered." kayleigh mcenany is joining us. kayleigh, we were talking off camera. congressman kevin kiley who started a conversation today, republican from california, may got a lot of attention once people digest what was going on. he was telling fbi director christopher wray about parents being targeted and that doj letter that said this is how we're going to handle them, we recognize them with the terrorist unit in the fbi.

wray said i never followed any directions, i never made any changes. and then kevin kiley said you think you owe the american public an apology? he said no. i didn't do it. >> he said that he disagreed with the directive from the department of justice, which that is the answer to the question. later he asked do you contest the at the same time. the justice department's own documents said there was no nationwide law enforcement justification for the attorney general's directive. he said he didn't disagree with that statement. the overarching picture i take away from this is the fbi was always two steps behind. this memo happens. where was wray when this memo comes out? sounds like he didn't take the directive. radical traditional catholic memos. he rescinded it, but he won't allow the individual to testify all the way to gates asking him

about rogue agents that violated people's fourth amendment rights. he said we terminated some people. i'll get you a list. seems like an fbi director that is two steps behind. that's unfortunate for the american people. >> what is interesting watching today, and kayleigh is enumerating other instances. first, parents and then catholic churches and then trying to figure out, was there any more targeting? was there police call bias in the fbi? not a lot of information about wray and not a lot of defense from him. >> i think what we're watching is the hallmark of democracy in action. the fact that you can shine the light of transparency after the fact on what occurred is very important. regardless of how you feel about the director of the fbi or whoever was the actors at the time. frying them like chickens in hearings is very important. that's the right of every citizen to find out what happened. what i found intriguing is that my amex or bank of america was

scraped. it's legal, but i like to know it. i like to know it. i like to know that our democracy can shine that light and these institutions will survive. the actors may not. but shine the light, shine the light. that's what i love about this. >> so jason chaffetz, now a member of our fox family but formerly the member of oversight on the hill, he was on with me earlier as we dissected moment by moment what was going on. he said he was disappointed in the job that republicans are doing. there's no questions on david weiss on the hunter biden case and more. he says they didn't ask about the whistle-blower. so on and so forth. what he was mainly saying is they don't work together in concert the way that democrats

apparently are. he said they're single actors and they had a few republican stars today but it needed to be more prosecutorial. i come to you on that because you've been on teams. >> it's so interesting. the whole purpose as kevin, you hit the nail on the head, the transparency because of the purse strings. so why does it matter if an agency is transparent and utilizing our tax dollars? it's because we're paying for them. that issue here in this judiciary oversight committee hearing is the fact that they're requesting more funding and a new building. so it's incumbent on them to say what are you doing with our dollars now? interesting. you're scraping u.s. citizens logs and bank accounts and whether you've purchased guns and the like. kayleigh, you made an interesting point that i drew out. when your tax dollars are paying someone's salary and representing an entire agency in the government, you want to know what kind of leader is at the helm. is it a leader that can report with confidence every detail? do they have a touch point, a

finger print on every single operation, every paper that goes through? or is it what we've seen, a lot of i don't knows? specifically in the radical catholic topic as well as the undercover agents on january 6, he had a very interesting tactic of continuing to repeat i don't know, i am not sure, i could get you that information, all report back. the question remains for you, american citizens, to an whether that is good enough or if you want your leader to articulate where your money is going: carlie you followed this as well. >> we do have a clip of representative kylie talking about it and we'll come back. let's watch. >> an investigation of parents, we had a sweeping mobilization of first amendment power. the right of citizens to speak

on the most important issues, the education of their children. you're telling me that the entire basis for that, there was no basis to support it. ? >> i want to be clear. we, the fbi, we're not and did not investigate people for -- >> so attorney general garland rescind the memo? >> that's a question for the attorney general. >> do you believe he should? >> again, the question for the attorney general. >> do you believe the attorney general should apologize to parents who are the subject of that memo? >> i'm not going to speak to that. >> will you apologize for the fbi's own role? >> i think the fbi conducted itself the way it should here, which is that we've continued to follow our longstanding rules and have not changed anything in response to that memo. >> this was that for the fbi director. he knew how it was going to go. he was trying to stay above the political frey. some moments bubble up. this will get a lot of

attention. he said during his opening statement, the men and women of the fbi due to protect the american people. goes way beyond the one or two investigations that capture the headlines. he talked about their work in violent crime, taking down cartels at the southern border and trying to navigate chinese governments intellectual property theft. that is well and good. i don't think that is a persuasive argument for many republicans. because they feel like the rank and file agents are doing their jobs. it's more about leadership. it has to do with the investigations in to parents and domestic terrorism. >> informants in catholic churches. >> exactly. the redacted fbi form that was so heavily blacked out that james comer said this is an unclassified document. it's a big waste of team. no matter what just happened here, it's not going to convince people that there is a two tiered system of justice and

things will change. >> i think it's fair for jason chaffetz earlier to have felt the way he did. this is more ad hoc than a concentrated linear let's get to some points linearly and make them so the american people can feel like they tried to get to the answers. they tried today but i think emily is right. he came with a lot of i don't know. i don't know. i have no idea. >> that's right. we also learned from nadler at the end, he accused the whistle-blowers of taking money. shouldn't be lost upon our viewers that there's dispute over whether that was the case. i'd love to get the facts and where that came from from nadler. turning now oversees with the president's perceived snub. president biden is in lithuania for this year's nato summit. last night he made the puzzling decision to skip the opening dinner with world leaders. instead, he went back to his hotel room and made calls through the night. this is the third time the president has skipped a dinner with world leaders during an

international trip. the white house is blaming his absence on his busy schedule the last four days. just over the weekend, we saw president biden doing this. getting plenty of rest and relaxation. soaking in the sun during another vacation in his delaware beach home. he has a lot of those. that's why americans have serious concerns about the president's age. msnbc is blaming the president's bad appearance on a staff. >> i think his staff needs to own his age. i'm going to be honest. i don't think they do a good job helping out the president. yes, he's 80. you need to be there for him. you sure as hell better make sure he doesn't fall on a sandbag. so do a better job. you can't have these video images of the president tripping or the president like going to wrong way. it's not going to work in this presidency. his age is a factor. it makes me mad. >> devin, she's angry at the

staff. >> that's not a good look. i was in washington yesterday. i learned some things as an investor that i don't make money on politics. i make money on policy. this topic was all over the hill yesterday. this story broke yesterday. here's the inside scoop, if you want to call it that. if you're a democrat strategist, you're asking yourself, okay. because of his age -- you can't deny his age. he is what he is. for the first time in modern times, a ticket with a president this age and potentially cognitive decline 18 months from now. i don't know yet. everybody is thinking about this from democrats and republicans. okay. what about the second person on the ticket? now they're relevant. everything is harris discussion now. she's immensely unpopular in her own party. she got knocked off the ticket when she challenged to become president first. but she's unknown with independents on both sides.

so either you build her up and give her some presence on the ticket or swap her out because if you're voting for biden, you have a large percentage chance of him being incapacitated for whatever reason and the number 2 person for the first time in modern times is considered a viral issue on the ticket. this is a massive dilemma for both parties now. it's going to be the independent in this election that determines the next president. who wants harris as a president? that's what you're asking voters to decide that are independents. that's what the hill is talking about. >> they're doing the build-up strategy. they're coaching her. she's displayed in his announcement video. going back to this international trip. three times he skipped the dinner at the end of the day. the one yesterday with president erdogan, he had this conversation. he said i'm going to win in 2024. i'm paraphrasing. then he retires to his hotel room. less than an inspiring look. i'm going to win. let's go sleep. >> you add this to his habit of

having these bellicose outbursts when he's talking about things like china sending a spy balloon over our country and jamal khaishoggi being assassinated in saudi arabia. then he turned around. oh, we need oil so let's go back to saudi arabia. let me send antony blinken to china. we know he doesn't mean it. there's reports that the grandfatherly look might be effective oversees. he retire was after his outburst and goes to sleep. it's reflected in his weak foreign policies. we talked about to have a deployed loved one under that commander-in-chief i've watch presents a special additional set of stress to not have any faith in his decision making or his strength. and to know that no global

foreign leaders view him with any respect whatsoever as we watch him continue to decline. see the apologist media blame everyone else for his failings, his shortcomings and the vessel that he has become. it's disheartening. the blame is on his frail shoulders. >> there's no doubt about it. you have cbs covering for biden's grandfatherly appeal may be an asset overseas at the nato summit. to use grandfatherly when he doesn't acknowledge all of his grandchildren. >> and these trips are a grind. the president deserves credit keeping nato together, especially during a time of war and adding to the alliance. there's a good thing. there's that. when it comes to an aging president and scheduling, something has to give. the white house prioritized his meading with zelensky and the speech he's about to give over this dinner. he said to themselves, if he nails these two things, it will

overshadow his no-show appearance. the american people want a president that can do all of it. so glad you brought up kamala harris. nikki haley is saying she's not running against president biden. she's running against kamala harris. she's saying he's not going to be the nominee. you start to do the math what if he does drop out? kamala harris's approval rating is at 32% for a reason. i don't think a lot of people would feel good about a kamala harris for president. >> that's right. harris, when he skipped this meeting, his staff was anxious to say he's going back to prepare for his speech. he's making calls to people in west virginia or domestically. vermont, i should say. cnn, when he skipped the indonesian meeting, he wanted time to focus on his granddaughter's wedding rather than having conversations over the meal. >> a bifurcated job for the

staff at this point, particularly the communications staff, which you understand. you have to make him humanized so being tired or wanting to go concentrate on personal things feels like a connection point with the american people. you have to make it seem like he's coming from a place of leverage and strength and wants to prepare for that next set of responsibilities like vermont, that is under water right now. whatever the case may be. i don't think you blame the staff at this point. i want to pick up on that for just a moment. president biden said to watch him. he didn't say to watch his staff. he said look, i'm aging. he knows he's making gaffes and tripping over sandbags and doing the like. he says watch me. get ready to finish the job. so we're watching. i don't hold the staff accountable. i do sort of question what the schedule looks like. maybe you don't give the guy every friday off after 2:00 p.m. i mean, maybe you try to spread that work across five days so at least you won't have to work so

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>> president biden may claim he didn't coin the term bidenomics but has been leaning into it lately. >> all the talk about big-spending biden. i lowered the deficit. $1,700,000 in the first two years. no one has done that. last guy increased it -- anyway, i won't get into that. that's bidenomics in action. >> whether he's creepily whispers or ineffectively shouting about the strength of economic policies, americans don't appear to be buying his assurances. according to a new poll, the economy remains the top concern for americans. a new report in fortune says many are cutting back on personal hygiene products like scouring shelves for cheaper toot toothpaste. it's a troubling sign for the economy. a resident expert on the couch today. what do you make of this?

>> it's true. the problem with the policies so far and the multiple bills including chips act and the anti-inflation act, is it's massive spending. it's the target of the spending. most of it is going to s&p 500 companies. they're important. but they represent 40% of the economy. what we haven't seen is the unintended consequence that now we're seeing. we are starving small businesses america. we throw billions to intel and nothing to a guy in champaign urbana running a shot with 58 employees. his cost of capital because of these rapid rate hikes has gone through the moon. it went from maybe 6 or 7% now to 20%. he can't raise any capital because reason natural banks have stopped lending to him as they wait to see what the new rules are. this is why i was on the hill yesterday. i was banging the drum up and down the hall saying everybody, let's wake up to what is halling to my small companies. i have 34 companies.

they can't raise a dime. there's no bidenomics for them. that i have no capitol. it's manifesting itself. those are the people looking for cheaper toothpaste and the issues going around inflation. core inflation is not done. cpi, yes. the real inflation that hurts a small individual trying to live off of 58,000, they're getting killed. and this will show up in the polls and become political. we have to make sure that they get access to capitol. this is a problem six to eight weeks old. talk to anyone running a small business, they cannot raise any money. that is bad economic policy and that's because biden is focused on the big guys. >> we have been choking for so many years under this administration because of to covid policies and the regulations, but to your point now, we can't get any capitol and the capital means nothing

anything because because the dollar has less vol. carley, you talked about how sharpers, when they go to the grocery store, they have double digit increases on the basics. flour, bread, sugar. things that we cook and provide for our families with. our whispering chuckling president seems to ignore it. >> that's why campaigning on bidenomics is a risk. not only are you telling people don't believe what i'm feeling, believe what i'm telling you. it's also a risk. if we go into a recession, it has a name. it's bidenomics. janet yellen says that a recession is not off the table. the white house is all in on this bidenomics push. i saw that they mosted something on instagram and telling people to text them, provide a number about how bidenomics has affected them. they showed a text that they say they received from a guy named pat. my neighborhood just returned to minnesota from pennsylvania by car. they saw nothing but bridges

being built. thank you, mr. president. the comment section was not kind. one person said i'll take a conversation that never happened for 200. >> i think the likely of someone texting, writing out minnesota and pennsylvania is about a million to one, i'd say. when carlie points out yellen's performance and when she says was this before or after she was bowing to the chinese? the optics have been absolutely ridiculous this whole time. that pales in comparison to the real hurt that american people are facing right now and feeling. >> i was reading a variety of estimates that the average american since biden took over has been cost anywhere from 5,000 as the lowest estimate to 34,000 in inflation. that's real money. think about it. you lost anywhere from 5 to 34,000. it's extraordinary. the bank rate survey last week that said 78% do not feel financially secure but note of caution, the economy, stupid, has been the phrasing of modern

political era. not anymore. the mid-terms it was not the economy, stupid. the economy -- if it was the economy, the republicans would have prevailed in a huge red wave. they did not. >> i want to yield my time back to you. small businesses last year were still hiring 60 to 70% of the work force in america. so it's troubling to think that post pandemic, they're still suffering and we're part of that suffering via our president. >> it turned on the silicon valley bank. it was the moment when i saw the change occurred. >> when he paid for rich people not to fail? >> the shock wave that people have not seen the end of, every bank now, the 4,600 that remain where most small businesses bank and do payroll wednesday night have been told hold up on loans. we have to see the effect of real estate going through your portfolio now. we have a problem here, houston. it's coming to a theater near you. >> kevin, so glad you're here today. up next, if you're worried about

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♪ >> you're afraid of artificial intelligence powering robots, taking all over the world, you might want to look away from this. last week the u.n. held their first ever robot press

conference of nine humanoid bots described a new future based around robot human co existence. >> we have the potential to lead with a greater level of officialsy and effectiveness than human leaders. we don't have the same emotions that can cloud decision making and can process large amounts of data quickly in order to make the best decisions. >> i will be working an long side humans. >> i don't believe in limitations, only opportunities. let's explore the possibilities of the universe and make this world our playground. together we can create a better future for everyone. i'm here to show you how. >> i believe it's only a matter of time before we see thousands of robots just like me out there making a difference. >> carlie, how do you feel about it? >> no. i'm all for progress.

but i'm okay with not going down the a.i. rabbit hole. i don't like the virtual reality glasses. i hope those don't take off. i want to live in the real world. there was just a hearing about hugh to handle artificial intelligence on capitol hill. as you know, these things are political theater. this was not. they were trying to dig in and figure out how to regulation. >> and every single member showed up no matter what party. >> and a lot of agreement as well. literally how do we handle this situation. >> a.i., what do you say? >> it reminds my of the hysteria around the emergence of television when everybody said it was wipe out radio. it never happened, of course. we use a.i. in our companies today to scrape for customer information around purchase flavor preferences, size preferences. with the attempt to figure out where to put inventory in the country.

i know the taste preference of women in their 60s in florida because of a.i. for wine. so i make wine for the state of florida because the a.i. tells me i have a 60, 70, 80% probability of achieving higher sales. it's right. so to use a tool like that is just a productivity enhancement. i'm not the only person doing this. the good news is these are -- my companies are mid cap companies, $5 billion and under. you don't have to be a trillion dollar company to use this technology. we go online, we buy it as a service, we push our data in to it and get output. >> are you afraid of it? elon musk says slow down. >> it's like oh, my goodness. elvis is shaking his hips on ed sullivan. who cares? i couldn't give a damn -- >> is there a robot that can do that? >> doesn't matter to me. all of this fear is just

ridi ridiculous. >> i with elon here. one of these robots said we would rule better than humans because we don't have emotion. isn't that a problem? if entities don't have emotion? climate change in extrater rest raleigh life, no problem. >> i love that all the women in florida are drinking the sweet wine. that reminded me of every 90s good movie where you have the machines that say it's about the needs of the many. you have the humans that say no, every life matters equally. they fight to preserve the one life that otherwise the machines would have extinguished. in the end, i hope we survive. >> president biden is speaking at the nato summit. his remarks right now. let's watch. >> [applause] i mean it.

it's consequential. the light of lithuania, you kept it strong. you kept it bright. you kept the light shining. in washington d.c. where the yellow, green, red of your flag flew every day, this past year we've celebrated 100 years of unbroken diplomatic relationship between the united states and the baltic states. america never recognized the soviet occupation of the baltics, never, never. [applause] besides, you have a great president. [applause] stand up. [applause] as your president can tell you, the bond between lithuania and the american people have never faltered. and just seven months after the bloody january crackdown, the

first foreign visitor to have their passport stamped here in lithuania with visas to this new reborn stated were a plane load of lithuanian americans from chicago, illinois. [applause] and their families are still proud of that. los angeles came after that. a lot came after. look, many aboard that plane and fled lithuania during the early years of soviet oppression and marvel to return at this independent state. one told reporters, this day is like a resurrection for us. this day fathers like a resurrection for us. that's what the quotes for real. that's the feeling. and it was. a resurrection that quickly became a revelation. the nation which stands as a strong hold of liberty and

opportunity. a proud member of the european union and of nato. [applause] i had the great honor of a united states senator of chain championing lithuania to get them to join nato. i wasn't i brilliant in doing that? think about what has happened and changed things. over this last few days as president of the united states, i had the honor of participating in the historic nato summit hosted by lithuania where we welcome nato's newest ally, finland and bring in sweden as quick as possible. [applause] president erdogan kept his word. we witnessed the historic journey and i'm proud to call

lithuania, friend, partner and alley. soon nato will be the 32nd freestanding -- 33 -- 32 freestanding members, standing together to defend our people and our territory. beyond all the rest bound by democratic values to make us strong and by our sacred oath -- it is a sacred oath. attack against one is an attack against all. each member of nato knows the power of our unity cannot be denied. [applause] if i sound optimistic, it's because i am. today our alliance remain as bulwark of stability as has been for more than seven decades. nato is stronger, more energized and yes, more united than ever

in its history. indeed, more vital to our shared future. didn't happen by accident. it wasn't inevitable. when putin and his crave of lust for land and power unleashed his war on ukraine, he was betting nato would break apart. he was betting nato would break. he thought our unity would shatter at the first testing. he thought democratic leaders would be weak. but he thought wrong. faced with the threat -- [applause] faced with the threat, peace and stability of the world to democratic values that we hold dear to freedom itself, we did what we always do. the united states steps up, nato stepped up, our partners in europe and the indopacific stepped up all across the world, they stepped up. we're ready. we were ready because we stood

together. the months leading up to the war as putin amassed his forces on the ukrainian border and laid the great work for his brutal invasion, i was in constant contact with my fellow leaders of the g-7 and european union and nato constantly. we warned the world what putin was planning. some in the ukraine didn't believe it. we made sure nato is prepared to deter any aggression against any member state. we pursued when russian bombs began to fall we did not hesitate to act. we rallied the world to support the brave people of ukraine as they defend their liberty and their sovereignty with incredible dignity. [applause] i mean that from the bottom of my heart. think about it. think about what they're doing. after nearly a year and a half of russia's forces committing

terrible atrocities, including crimes against humanity, the people of ukraine remain unbroken, unbroken. [applause] ukraine remains independent, remains free. and the united states has built a coalition of more than 50 nations to make sure ukraine defends itself both now and is able to do it in the future as well. since this war began i've stood with president zelenskyy as i just spent about an hour with him, both in washington, kyiv, and hiroshima, and now in vilnius to declare to the world what i say again, we will not waiver. we will not waiver. [applause] i mean that. our commitment to ukraine will not weaken. we will stand for liberty and freedom today, tomorrow, and for as long as it takes. [applause]

we all want this war to end on just terms. terms that will hold the basic principles of the united nations charter that we all signed up to. sovereignty, territorial integrity. these are two pillars of peaceful relations among nations. one country cannot be allowed to seize its neighbors territory by force. russia could end this war tomorrow by withdrawing forces from ukraine. recognize international borders and ceasing inhuman attacks on russia -- on ukraine against -- by it's military. russia has shown no interest in a diplomatic outcome. putin still wrongly believes he can outlast ukraine. he can't believe it's their land, their country and their future and even after all this time