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news contributor and senior fellow at american enterprise institute, marc thiessen. secret service is confirming the bag of cocaine was found in a vestibule outside the west wing. we're learning that lab testing on the bag found no finger prints and no d.n.a. evidence. surveillance footage did not provide a suspect and the investigation ended with no leads. without physical evidence, will not be able to single out the hundreds of individuals who passed through the vestibule where the cocaine was discover said. the investigation is closed due to the lack of physical evidence. kayleigh, i come to you first. >> kayleigh: hundreds of suspects and it was west wing

executive entrance there. there are not cameras in the west wing, but there are cameras outside. over multi day period, that is hundreds of people. this ever changing narrative is complex and peculiar to me, first, library of the residents and the lobby, that was dismissed quickly and then it is in the cubies and then there was this nbc report, it is closer to the situation room, which would suggest a staff member. i think that came about because reporters were looking at the map and the situation room looks close, but it is not, however, on the map it does look like that. however, that was the reporting. if i was karine jean-pierre, i would have gone to secret service saying there is wild

speculation in the press, tell me where you found this so i can take this to the white house podium. she didn't do that. the cubby holes, two groups use th those. they don't have offices in the west wing, they use the cubies. or a guest or close relative or friend. two groups i suggest it is. final point, when asked if this was a family member, for andrew baits to say, i cite the hatch acts, bizarre. joe biden asked questions and doesn't answer. karine jean-pierre asked questions and she derives the reporter. i would have said to trump, this is a family member, he would have said absolutely not. i would have gone to the media and said it is not one of the family members. >> emily: it was uneducated and

delusional answer. put that to the side. she raises great points, so for karine jean-pierre to initially misreport the first family was not home to mixed signals about the location of the cocaine and where it was found and to shut down journalists who asked and otherwise would have been correctly labeled journalistic malpractice to not have questions about it. within 24 hours, to say likely they won't find who did it. why weren't the optics handled differently? >> marie: substance and -- i should not use substance, but substantively, probably a guest, i doubt it was somebody who works there. this staff has been criticized for having a tough policy.

i think a few things are true, when you go to the podium, you have to have as much information as possible and be precise as possible. karine jean-pierre is right, they were not there most of the weekend. she should have said they were not there for most of it. she was generally right, but you have to be precise with everything you say. look, on the question of the president's family, if i were in that position, i would probably bristle at that a bit. i think people use hunter biden's past problem with drugs in political and partisan ways. i think he should be applauded for being sober, he seems to have gotten his life back to together, when it comes to that part of it. to insinuate he did this is beneath commentators on twitter or insinuation it was him because of past use, feels like a cheap shot.

we will probably never know who did this and we will all move on, i guess. >> emily: while dancing at the table of optics where specificity and precision matters, journalists can craft things that wouldn't have someone to bristle. i have to ask this question, is it hunter biden's? could you address the natural correlation? if they want us to be gentle and respectful, it doesn't take away the point, yes, it is the obvious question. where were they? where was it found? etcetera, she kept messing up on every step of the way. >> she's a terrible press secretary. if kayleigh had been press secretary, a whole different story. problem with the visitor thesis is that kayleigh and i both had offices in the west wing and there is this street called west

executive avenue, which is a closed street within the white house complex. you can get in if you are a visitor or regular staff member, you go through secret service on lafayette square. if a visitor, they would have gone through screening. if i had cocaine, i would be terrified to do that. what else are there? >> maybe it is why they left it there, they got scared. >> marc: maybe. cabinet and senior staff who had parking for senior staff or get carpet service, vehicles they use, or family member. those are only people who go through the secret service screening. not saying it couldn't be a visitor, that is not obvious. i had a radio logical thing and

they had to give me a letter. they have dogs there, it is intimidating to get into the white house. highly unlikely to bring cocaine into the west wing. >> emily: what is illustrative of what you said, the profill actic nature and strength they have, to be on the other end, well, sorry, we got nothing, it is so hard and so difficult to -- >> marc: that is the problem. number one, if it did go through, a visitor got a bag of white powder through, that is a huge problem for the secret service. what if that was anthrax. and two, they can't get to the bottom of it. most secure building in the world, you give them your social security number and they have to do a background check. we had people during state of the union address, we wanted to bring somebody in as a guest and

they got rejected because secret service found a criminal record on their bab background. this is highly screened, somebody with a drug conviction probably wouldn't be able to get into the executive office. it is a problem they didn't catch it and haven't figured out the answer. >> harris: marie, i think that is why there is sensitivity around hunter biden. it has nothing to do with whether or not he was the person with the cocaine. it has to do with how sensitive was this investigation given what has gone on with that particular family and their son's past problems? those are questions that i have read and seen. i may have asked myself. regardless who is on the couched it, thank you to you both. you are both bringing experiences having stood at lect

your honor in our federal government and i appreciate that detail. congressman chip roy, great state of texas told me, yeah, you need more cameras, but other thing for cubies, he said, why not have a simple locker system. you come in, you shouldn't have your cell phone or anything on you. and you shouldn't have cocaine. if you have to check everything, maybe there is way to screen what is going into the lockers. nobody is promised privacy in that time period. no one should expect any. it is interesting, because somebody did. >> emily: definitely left with more questions than we probably started with. know if any answers come to light, we will bring them here. up next, another defining moment for kamala harris as the vice president attempts and struggles to explain artificial intelligence. that is next. ♪

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more. hours later she dove deeper honing in on a problem within the transportation system, tweeting, majority of flights do not have restrooms. our administration will announce a solution. kamala harris focusing on airport bathrooms instead of other issues she's been put in charge of. one day later, the vice president did tackle an emerging challenge, this time artificial intelligence. here is her explanation. >> the first part of this issue, ai is a fancy thing. first of all, it is two letters, it means artificial intelligence. >> kayleigh: harris, ron klain tweeted, she is a huge asset for the white house.

agreed? >> harris: who is he watching? >> kayleigh: i wonder. >> harris: so "new york times" has been tracking the latest national opinion poll of kamala harris and on average of several polls as of july 5, just a week ago, 41% of registered voters had favorable opinion. 53%, 41%, we like her, 53% no. she is off track and i think we know this even from a president who has historically low approval ratings. it doesn't matter now what she says as much as what she does. what is she doing to change the opinion of americans? if she ends up running in biden's place, is there enough time to turn this ship around? she is counting the letters of ai, i'm worried for her. >> kayleigh: i am, too. vp only has two letters, as

well. >> marc: stands for vice president. >> martha: thank you for clearing that up. >> kayleigh: we have unfavorable numbers and end of june, axios, poll, kamala harris hits record low for vp net favorability. how can you say she's not a liability? >> marie: her general numbers are in line with most national pol tigszs, whether joe biden, donald trump, ron desantis. most people don't like national p pol politicians. a lot of women feel like her work since the dobbs decision on women's health and abortion and getting women help they need has been extraordinary. women will tell you she has taken on this issue in way that is deeply meaningful and trying

to make deep policy advances. people who will say i don't know why she hasn't done more. question of who she is talking to and there are a lot of people issue maybe not people we talk to about certain issues, people who on a number of issues after affirmative action case out of the supreme court, some work on these issues, there are people who think she's doing a good job and the challenge for the team is to get her on the road and make this better. can this be turned around? >> harris: somebody else will have to make it for her, she is not a successful communitior. >> kayleigh: it is a fact, lowest net favorability of any vice president, instead of me making that case, let's hear more from kamala. >> culture is, it is reflection of our moment in our time and

present culture is the way we expres how we are feeling about the moment and we should always find time to express how we feel about the moment, that is reflection of joy. you know, it comes in the morning. [laughter] >> i asked my team actually to do -- i love venn diagrams, i just love venn diagrams, i asked them to do a diagram. who doesn't love a yellow school bus? raise your hand if you love a yellow school bus. there is something about and most of us, many of us went to school on the yellow school bus. it is part of our experience growing up. >> kayleigh: marc, your thoughts? you have written speeches for the president of the united states.

>> marc: i couldn't write that. the president is the most unpopular president in the history of the united states, except for jimmy carter and she is less popular than he is. why is she so unpopular? one may be none of the issues like border or anything else she's made any progress, part is failure of the administration. she has this habit of talking about the most mundane things in a deeply profound voice. when people hear her say transportation is about getting people to the place they want to go, in such a profound way. they think she is stupid or they think she thinks i'm stupid, people don't like to be talked to like a child. either they lose confidence in her or they think she is talking down to them. the problem that poses for the biden administration is biden is

going to be 86 at the end of the second term. according to actuarial data, you have 42% chance of making it to 86 in america. that is a big problem in the next election. >> kayleigh: heartbeat away. >> emily: marie, i want to know when you said women have -- blue women appreciated her work on abortion and others, etcetera, part task or challenge would be to get out and articulate that. what has she done? what specifically has she done in the areas you mentioned? i'm curious, not being cheeky, i do not know and love to know because i haven't -- >> marie: two things, there is optics and substance.

she has said in states where women's healthcare is limited, i will fight for this on ballot issues, in ohio and states across the country and led an effort inside administration to ensure women's healthcare are protected, whether over the counter birth control, whole host of things contribute to women's health, whether they have kids, how they take care of children once they are born, early childhood education, those issues don't get headlines. today fda approved over the counter birth control pill, those are things quietly done, but people like kamala harris is leading on. >> harris: then why don't they put out a press release? >> marie: they will. there are things women feel that we have heard, i have had order from talking and the white house has heard, that don't get the

headlines. having the vice president in your corner fighting for policies across the country and optically saying we care about this and we're going to keep helping you, i think that has mattered. >> kayleigh: talking about abortion, that is what i took from that. >> harris: they would be different. >> kayleigh: no tangible deliverables, basically talking about abortion, take from that what you will. >> marie: that is not what i said. >> kayleigh: well done vp, two letters. a man randomly threatens people with a knife, the democratic mayor insists the media is overhyping the crime crisis. right. right, you have to do it yourself. in 2015, my dad had the idea to revitalize american textile manufacturing with bedding crafted from cotton grown on our family farm. we created red land cotton to give you the best farm,

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>> harris: coming in from all across the country. americans are terrified about crime. polls show in chicago two-thirds of locals there say they do not

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stories on city subways that we've covered closely here on outnumbered and all of fox news, even manhattan district attorney alvin bragg says he's worried about his own family. >> a lot more work to do, no doubt about it. but we have really encouraging signs. the data is all moving in the right direction the statistics are down, when a family member get on the train, i get a knot in my stomach. >> harris: the numbers they twist are not giving him easy sleep at night, thank you for being human. new york city mayor says the media are all overhyping it. >> if you lead off everyday with some of the horrific incidents that take place in the city, there is feeling you have, my mission is to move people from what they felt to what they are feeling and no one can take away the fact this city is humming.

>> harris: i think anthony roberts used to do that, i think his mission is to lower crime. >> marc: it is not crime, it is the reporting on the crime. i grew up with mayor ed cotch. they asked him if he would ever run again, he said no, the people have spoken and they must be punished. they just threw lori lightfoot out because of the crime and her horrible record and then picked more far left further soft on crime mayor to replace her. in new york, people are leaving, voting with their feet. this liberal city will never elect another rudy giuliani to clean up the city. the problem will only get worse. people are leaving town. >> harris: kayleigh, the country is changing in immeasurable way for people who don't necessarily have access to resources.

when you see walgreens and other places pulling out of areas where there might be a pharmacy or food desert, the people who are needing help are being punished. >> kayleigh: 70% of new york dwellers who say i am afraid i will be a victim of crime, that is extraordinary. 1 in 10 people walking on the street. alvin bragg, my gosh, for you to say you get a knot in your stomach for your family to ride the subway? no, sir, i wouldn't incarcerate or you took a bodega worker defending himself and you took a good samaritan, daniel penny. >> harris: daniel penny was first thing i thought of when i saw that from the district

attorney. i mean, so you feel like the other people in that locked down subway car who have told their stories of how glad they were that somebody would stand up to a man they felt threatened by, ironic those words would come from this da. >> emily: and from the mayor, we were feeling safe, now we feel unsafe and afraid. i'm exhausted of reporting horrible situations we keep playing and seeing violence over and over. the woman who lost her eye, that says everyday she looks in the mirror, she is reminded of that incident and i'm exhausted for the people who live in constant fear on the fox true crime podcast i host for fox news, i had a security expert, former secret service detail saurp supervisory agent who told how

to keep safe while traveling to this city and others. would we have that need if not for the spikes? 9 a.m., 6:00 a.m., showing a poor man getting beat and his four year old and next to him. it is exhausting, only out exhausted by knowing that perp was released with no bail five seconds later. >> harris: it is the recidivism, and the change in crime, we will take this misdemeanor in soft on crime cities led by liberal daytime emmys, many who took money from george soros. marie, how do you fix it and yet stay true to your bona fides in your party? seems like democrats will not vote in their own best interest, they vote about their feelings of the party. >> marie: the murder rate in the 90 biggest cities is falling

precipitously, maybe the largest downward trends in terms of murder rate. >> kayleigh: it spiked during covid, not pre-covid. >> marie: be glad the motor rate is falling, it is also true in many cities and not just democratic-ran cities, in red and blue cities and states, crime rates have been going up for other crime. that makes us feel less safe. >> martha: no bail, bail reform -- >> marie: to answer your question, harris, in the cities in red states where that hasn't been put in place, they still have a problem with carjackings, smash and grabs issue not entirely clear there is one to one correlation between liberal policies and crime going up. that is the point, not one thing we could say, if we all did that, it would be better. it is a tougher challenge.

i agree. >> harris: people don't necessarily say they fear being murdered, they fear crime in general, which is a slippery slope. carjacking and mugings and guy wielding a knife, if those threats exist, you don't feel safer. all right, we'll move. up next, msnbc getting roasted for posting. if you're the spouse of a military veteran, i want you to know something. your spouse has earned the right to apply for a va home loan. a va home loan is unique. it's different than other loans because it allows you to borrow up to 100% of the home's value. that extra borrowing power may allow you to pay down debt, lower your monthly payments, put cash in the bank, and give you the peace of mind that every veteran deserves.

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if you enjoy working out, you may be supporting far right extremism or at least that is what msnbc wants you to believe. left wing is being ridiculed for this recent tweet which reads, the far right's obsession with fitness is going digital and links to opinion piece posted in march of last year that goes to describe connection between physical fitness and white supremacy. you can't make this up. it reads, it appears far right has taken advantage of at-home fitness trim for radicalization of combat sport spaces. physical finance, hitler focused on jujitsu. i mean, emily, i don't know where to begin. >> emily: i know, i was thinking

that, i will butcher it. it makes me so deeply sad and disheartened, something that has positive net effect, the move is medicine and knowing about benefit exercise and physical fitness has been painted as negative and compared with monsters having nothing to do with those that value exercise. physical finance and health. >> kayleigh: the author found a remedy, thankfully. efforts between government, national sports associations and gyms in germany, poland and u.k. have prevention program. the u.s. is comparatively far behind. like the fbi going into churches and doj going to school board

and now send government to the gym. >> marc: government is the answer, this is part of body positivity movement, which is absurd and dangerous. total cost of chronic disease caused by obesity, 1.72 trillion, amount of defense budget. i took bonjaro and started playing pickleball. >> harris: pickleball is really catching on. >> i feel great, my ankles don't hurt anymore. >> cost $400 million versus 1.2 trillion, whole difference. >> kayleigh: harris. >> harris: this is a lazy way to

say you're fat. if i were a democrat, i would be offended by this. >> marie: i don't think that is what they were saying. >> harris: then they need to restate this, they are saying your side is too lazy to go be healthy. >> marie: that is easy to characterure. where i live, special place in charlottesville, four men who pled guilty part of the unite the right, trained and radicalized at leading mma gym and they were proud of that. >> emily: that is like saying, they had two eyes and two ears. >> marie: no, it is not. when you -- >> harris: i'm going to be a white supremacist when i lift weights? i can't be in the white part. >> marie: where are they training?

it is a fact. >> harris: then why is the fbi going to catholic churches? >> marie: that sometimes happens in these places, basements, online forums. >> marc: antifa, too. >> marie: these proud boyz pretend they are part of the military and train for battle and we see what happened on january 6. >> harris: i can't believe you said that. >> marie: i believe it. >> harris: i believe you believe it. >> play pickleball. >> harris: pickleball is catching on. >> kayleigh: and saying how he feels in an interview with piers morgan that has gone viral. >> the whole woke culture is truly awful, who are asharbiters of this? it is usually a bunch of millennials.

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>> harris: brian cox going viral after recent interview with fox's piers morgan. >> are things worse now or is perception of life worse because of social media inflaming

everything? >> i don't think social media helps. it hinders rather than helps. points out too readily inadequacy and the whole woke culture, i think, is truly awful. >> and the shaming culture, which i feel strongly about. there is incessant need to shame and bury people. >> who i don't know where it comes from, who are the arbitters? it is usually a bunch of millennials. >> who gave them the halos. it is extraordinary. >> i suppose they are saying, you all screwed it up, we may as well do something about it. but it is the wrong -- comes from the wrong place. >> kayleigh: always millennials, small group of woke millennials that are fuelling cancel

culture, ai is what i worry about, feeding ai things. >> harris: i hadn't thought that deeply with ai going woke. >> kayleigh: i'm sure kamala has. >> marie: i was waiting for that joke. >> marc: woke ideology pushes through imtimidation and threat and social media amplifies that and gives platform to morones and idiots and gives them a weapon. rally woke mobs to shut you down and cancel you. nonwoke majority trying to keep quiet. nobody wants to be cancelled or attacked by a woke mob. you are seeing a turn around where people are losing fear and push back on ideas. the problem with the left, they take it a step too far. it is not enough we have trans rights, we have to have biological men competing in

women's sports. people say enough of that -- >> harris: parent i interviewed last hour, nine year old with the pediatrician and the pediatrician leaned in, do you think you are a girl or boy and the mom had to intervene. marie? >> marie: there is a lot of cancelling going on and i hate all of it, i hate the fact people don't drink bud light anymore. i hate that movement. i hate far left, not only millennials, older progressives, we can't honor people who work in congress and maybe aren't totally pure from the left. a lot of cancelling going on and a lot of purity tests and i don't like any of them. i agree, sometimes left goes too far and right goes far when they try to cancel, bud light is biggest known example. i think social media makes it

worse. i joined threads this week. i haven't been on twitter in years, i will see if threads is better. >> harris: kevin o'leary was trying to get me to sign up on threads yesterday. it is connected to instagram, it will be fast when i do it. >> emily: jeff white tweeted out and he said this is a nondebate, there is no discussion, they effectively should be cancelled. guy fierri, who raises millions to help others and joe rogan, surprising, mark wahlberg, who does so much for community efforts. the point about cancellation, there is hard shift you should be considered civically dead has no place in society. to your point, what is difficult and frightening, it is the way the wind blows.

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think this would fly under u.s. contract law but defer you to emily. >> according to the judge, it conveyed acceptance and you need an offer, acceptance and consideration meaning something that is exchanging hands for it. >> canada loyalist to the crown and if they stayed here and joined us they would have the constitution and none of this would be happening. >> i was not expecting the anti-canada rant. >> blame canada. >> i love canada deeply. >> i do, too. >> i'm not an attorney but makes me nervous emojis serves as legal something. legal intention. >> how about the finger, what would that mean? >> i love canada, too i just came back from the calgary stampede last weekend. >> when i said can i come by the office at 3:00 and you responded

with a thumb's up, ok, it's a yes. >> yes and contract negotiation are completely different things. and you can drop by any time but if it means i'm going to give you all my shoes, the answer is no, no matter what the thumb's up is. >> that's a different lawsuit. thanks for joining us as always. don't forget to dvr the show when you cannot watch us live. for now, "america reports." >> just say once and for all whether or not the cocaine belonged to the biden family? >> so, there has been some irresponsible reporting about the family and so i got to call that out here, the biden family was not here, they were not here, they were at camp david, not here friday, they were not here saturday, they were not here sunday, they were not even here monday. they came back on tuesday. so to ask that question is actually incredibly irresponsible. >> sandra: karine jean-pierre getting caught in a li