i am at shannon bream. chock full of republican add-ons is setting up a showdown in the senate over social issues. ♪ >> and they are bringing culture wars international security. >> the american people i talk to about home do not want a weakened military. they do not when he woke military. >> house speaker a deeply partisan defense bungling passage of the memos on abortion access but medical care for transgender troops, and diversity programs. the future of that military taking center stage as president biden returned from the nato

summit and signs in order that could send thousands of u.s. reservists to europe. lawmakers on both sides of the aisle sound the alarm of the u.s. running out of ammo and weapons. saying our supply cannot meet the demand. >> we have to come in the long run, have a strong industrial base pair w was set out and is e coordinator john kirby to discuss our military's readiness and leadership on the world stage. we'll get reaction from senator tom cotton, a member of the armed services committee. then, how worried should democrats be about a third party threat? we will ask our sunday pan about fresh speculation of a potential presidential spoiler along with efforts to stop it. i'll right now on "fox news sunday." shannon: hello from boxes in washington annual defense bill billets at the nation's military and national security priorities

has landed itself in the middle of a partisan field. the must of passed legislation out of the house chock-full of conservative amendments. measures that will have a nearly impossible time getting through the senate. at stake in 886 billion-dollar plan that grants a pay raises to service members and programs to counter threats by china and russia. it comes as president biden is authorizing the mobilization of 3000 reserve troops to europe following meetings with allies at the nato summit. also amid growing concerns about ammunition and weapons shortages. what that could mean for our military readiness for current and future conflicts. both a bit more on that now in this report from foxbusiness correspondent grady trimble. >> as the war and ukraine rages and tensions grow between china and taiwan, lawmakers are raising questions about the united states readiness to supply weapons and ammunition to our partners and to protect ourselves. >> we don't want to lose our

capacity to defend our country. we want to make sure we have production lines up and running. >> those lines might not be running quickly enough. a january report from the think tank center for strategic and international studies says replacing inventories of one of the most commonly used ammunitions, wondered 55 millimeters shells, could take four -- seven years. javelins up to eight years. and stingers as many as 18 years. >> as ukraine war caused the challenge to our munitions and defense industrial base or exposed some of the fragility and cracks and in the defense industrial base. >> editor i would say it has exposed it. >> in taiwan officials are frustrated. the backlog of arms the u.s. has approved for the island is reportedly close to $19 billion.

some war games and simulations of a conflict with china it revealed the u.s. would likely run out of search and munitions and less than a week. a state department spokesperson tells a fox increased demand and supply chain issues are delaying production and deliveries to defense partners around the world. some reports also suggests defense manufacturers want assurances that if they spend the money to ramp up production, it will be worth it. the pentagon says is looking for ways to streamline and speed up for an armed sale sprit last month a bipartisan group of lawmakers launched a task force with the same goal. shannon: a great trimble reporting forest for joining us now is john kirby the national security council's coordinator for strategic communications paid welcome back, good to have you. >> great to be with you shannon. shannon: lesser and greater support several key munitions could take years for us to handle the backlog by the president said this is a problem. so where are we? have we activated the defense

production act, how resolve the problem? folks are working close with defense interesting to ramp up production projected for artillery shells but was how agape cluster munitions to ukraine as it bridging solution. we are having a very, very strong conversation with defense ministry. there is going to happy production rate increase is no o question about it. shannon: are they worried about our commitment the federal government's commitment to orders? is the funding there? what happens? what does it not a matter of finding we will work closer with congress on that. the defense industry of seamless nature of the increase production that production rate is going to stay elevated for a period of time. that means hiring more workers. it means retooling and adding capacity in the factories and manufacturing capabilities. so we understand that that is sort of the central thesis here of the discussions we are having on this is to get them to increase production and let them know we are serious about doing that for some period of time here. >> what is the message of folks in taiwan h who been waiting the

years on deliverables with china bringing down the neck? >> approved recent arms sales and will continue to do that obviously working close concert with capitol hill. shannon: approving sales is one thing getting them hard goods is one thing. >> we have provided we will continue to provide self-defense capabilities to tie what we take that responsibility very seriously. shannon: we continue to sent munitions and military help and other aid to ukraine, their current questions about nato and having everyone else step up there the present fresh off those meetings nato itself says only seven countries made that goal the 2% of gdp in 2022. others like candidate not even close with wall street journal editorial board said canada is that military free writer when it comes to nato. they say somewhere along the way began to think of its membership is largely place to rub shoulders with global powers and a platform for making moral pronouncements. what you say to american taxpayers about their dollars going to somewhere like nato when allies like canada are not even close to me their

obligation? what's the taxpayers ought to know that was a message the president carried with him was 2% gdp spending needs to be a floor it not a sale he was very clear about that at the nato summit. more countries need to step up and meet the 2% goal. and hopefully they will put will keep pressing we will do everything we can to make sure they know it is important to us. obviously it's important to the american taxpayer. in the meantime the united states has eight leadership role inside the alliance and we are proud of that were going to keep that going precook this talk about some hotspots russia we had reports on friday a spy spiteplaintiff flew over a u.s.e in syria an extended period of time for the one secret menstruation official said it appeared to be mapping the area but how worried are you question at russia, iran, syria all what is out of that area appeared how worried are you of these coalitions of anti- actors think of russian china as well. what this burgeoning defense relationship with its iran and russia, russia and china are

clearly concerned to us there's no question about that. in particular between i rana russia right now but that is actually providing real capability in terms of mr. putin's ability to kill ukrainians the iranians continue to provide several hundred node nodrones mr. putin is using to attack ukraine inc. cities and kill people but what i wrought once as reciprocity prevail at capabilities from russia they can introduce into the middle east and further destabilize it for that is clearly of concern. now with the russian drone, we have made our concerns clearly to the russians they violated the d confliction channel that we've been using in syria that has worked up until recently birds only been in recent weeks now they started to do this kind of activity. it was not deemed a specific threat to our people on the ground but we're going to keep watching this spring will keep making sure we can continue to defend ourselves but i would note two of the drones they harassed a week or so ago are the same two that took out at the nicest leader in syria. it's important for americans to understand that we are not

letting off the gas when it comes to going after isis and syria but we still have troops on the ground but we have a vital viable mission were going to continue they can execute it. shannon: you talk about this interchange received russia and i wrought allison's very concerning on a number of fronts. a few weeks ago the new york skus meet the "new york times" reported cited iranian officials, israeli officials, u.s. officials are some secrets or informal talks going on with iran about a new nuclear deal critics and blasted the idea states unenforceable. there's been pushback from the administration with the stalks are actually happening or not. let me recently from the spectator time in the islamic republic is in the grip of economic collapse widespread popular unrest against his fear crept in tehran taking the pressure off as a less think washington should be contemplating, is the pressure on i run one step closer to the bottom which would endanger millions. are the talks happening? are these sources uninformed, are they lying? why would he take off pressure now? what's known as taking pressure off iran.

we look at how were approaching the challenges in the military presence we have their the strength of the work we are joined with allies and partners to push back on iran, destabilizing behavior you can see were not were not take the pressure off. they start to take steps to ease nuclear tension that is a good thing that's a good thing for the region it's a good thing for us in our national security interest. having discussions with iranian officials about getting wrongfully detained americans home that is true. there is no deal in the works right now the return to the eye iran deal is not a major focus of the agenda right now. got to make sure we are dealing with their destabilize behavior and we are. shannon: we have to have conversations with american citizens, is that tied in any way to their behavior, their measurements with regard? >> are focusing in china wrongfully detained americans home that is what we're doing. shannon: okay let's talk china. we understand climate envoy from former senator john kerry is heading over there for conversations on the climate issue for a next guest is going to be up senator tom cotton

disagrees with a lot of foreign policy decisions this administration is making for this constant sending over of secretaries of leaders to interact with china is not helping us. here's what he said a few weeks ago. quick spite of ministration official should chasing after their chinese dominus counterparts like lovestruck teenagers. it is embarrassing it's pathetic. in fact a projects weakness to china. shannon: demonstrations have a tough time articulating what we are getting out of these meetings they would not agree to military to military communication which we all agree is a very important thing that needs to happen to avoid things escalate out of control. now with former secretary kerry going there, they are the foremost in the world. why are we going to her home turf? where are we having these conversations what it looks like we do not have a thing measurable coming back out of that? >> i would disagree with that i did take issue with the senders in view of the bilateral relationship and how we try to manage it. these are two of the most powerful economies in the world

come to the most powerful militaries in the this the most consequential bilateral in the world the president believes strongly it would to manage that responsibly and it is a competition for this a reason for it to evolve into conflict. one of the ways you do that, one of the way you get hopefully military to military cue key medications open is to establish other lines of communication. dialogue is not weakness, diplomacy is not weakness into strength that is what we are pursuing right now. now secretary blinken had a set of discussions and to come with military lines of communication open, no. secretary yellen had some conversations about our trade and economic relationship, which is the most consequential in the world right now. needs to be on the better and stable footing. that is good for american jobs. that is good for the american people. and now secretary special envoy carries going over to talk about climate between the nine states and china we emit 40% of greenhouse gases in the world we are the two biggest emitters. i think we can all understand there's value in us talking about ways we can cooperate to get those emission levels down. we will see were these

conversations go. violent and diplomacy's strength is not weakness. shannon: the latest fox bulls is 57% of americans across party lines disapprove of the job the president is doing on foreign policy. what you say to them question at millions of americans and think on the world stage this administration is not getting right. >> i would encourage them to take a look at the trip last week people so there's no way sweet it is going to get into nato you're not going to get the 32 alice are certainly not going to do it by president biden got it done. they said there is no way any kind of assurances can be given to you crate and make them feel comfortable about their new nato membership. now he felt comfortable there eventually going to get in. and that we weren't going to be able to support you crate and we are freed the american people understand that for the present got awful lot done just on this last week of trips. again i would go back to the way we have vitalizing partnerships and allies in the end of pacific. getting nuclear power simmering capability to the australians. given the south koreans and the japanese to work more closely

together, bilaterally but some of the stuff is historic. shannon: i want to talk about a national security issue that domestic your nature this is a cocaine found in the white house. secret service says they did not have enough evidence to look at any particular person in the case is closed. figure kevin mccarthy said that ias a national security issue. this is what he says. >> they can't tell us who brought it, what else is happening in the white house they can tell us about? what else is coming into the white house they cannot tell us about? that concerns me more now. shannon: are that you can understand americans, many of them first about a gas there is ever cocaine in the white house where we heard there's reports of marijuana found there couple times faster as well but more importantly it is case closing lesson two weeks we know nothing about who brought this in the inability to track up on the surveilled scammers. wife is something much more dangerous? >> i cannot speak to the investigation done by the secret service for they did the best they could to track down how it got there and who it might belong too. we're not able to come up with any forensic evidence that

proves it. but who can take this sears is not the kind of thing we want to see happen. it did happen to the lobby area it's highly trafficked area organ take a look at how that happened and if the things we could do to prevent that in the future will certainly do that no one is happy about this. shannon: please get us updated is updatedto track anything dow. always great to have it with us thanks. up next direction from the public member of the senate armed services committee, tom cotton joins us next. it's formulated with ingredients clinically shown to protect your ears from dizziness, ear ringing, and even hearing loss. never miss a moment with lipo flavonoid.

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on the way to the senate many of the amendment's past by republicans of the house will likely render their version dead on arrival. joining us here in washington arkansas republican senator tom caught it welcome back too. >> >> english and it's good to be 'which it had an appearance on the show will get back to that in a minute. i want to talk about what passet the house and heads to the set up a democrat side this will never see the light of day. i'll have it to the president's desk here's a little bit of the reaction. next i am bitterly disappointed. that a bipartisan defense authorization bill is being caught up by political grandstanding amendments. >> they are so obsessed with the jamming their extreme right wing ideology down the throats of the american people that extreme maga republicans are willing to even designate the ability of our military to do what it needs to do to keep us safe.

>> one of your fellow vets said essentially republicans using troops as political ponds. how do you respond? >> first off it's rich you are the democrats company but a partisan defense bill this happened when nancy pelosi was a speaker as well. he worked it out, we worked it out every year for over 60 years sixyears to pass the defense bi. but joe biden and lloyd offset and the democrats are politicizing the military. but the house is done is taken reasonable steps supported by a large majority of americans to ensure we are funding our troops and the weapons they need to keep our country safe. not paying for abortion tourism, or change operation things that should not be happening in our military. shannon: you know how this will land in the senate what happens you pass your version at coaster conference. do any of these survived to the go away? >> will see the defense may take up they said about this week and next week it if cell will move onto a said as a conflict for the two changes reconcile the

differences. you never quite know how those are going to work out for help all these measures stay in the because again the military should not be paying for abortion tourism or diversity consultants or change operations for this by the weapons that we need to defend our nation and to support our troops. shannon: will talk about that because democrats and the left is a women who are serving in uniform if they are stationed in an area where they cannot get an abortion the pentagon should facilitate a way to get that abortion. senator tommy turberville has taken a lot of heat over this he said he told the pentagon i was going to do this if they made this move. he is now blocking hundreds of military promotions. here is what the secretary of defense grab from that. >> is a national security issue it is a readiness issue. we should not kid ourselves. i think any member of the senate armed services committee knows that. quick senate majority leader mitch mcconnell when he was asked about this" i do not support putting a hole on military nominations, do you? >> chanted the secretary of

defense and president think this is a re readiness issue they wat to find the responsible party that should look in the mirror. they are the ones violated the law and using taxpayer funds to pay for abortion tourism. let me give you an example of how extreme this policy is. a young airman at little rock air force base walk and in demand three weeks of uncharged paid leave and get travel, meals and lodging paid for to go get an elective abortion. another airman could walk in and say my mother or my father just unexpectedly died can i have leave to go to the funeral? that would beat charge lead that comes other annual allotment and they would have no expenses paid per think most americans agree that is an insane policy. again the military should not be paying for abortion tourism. shannon: what should women in uniform in a place i cannot access abortion because they are there on orders. what should they do? >> if they want to take that step, they have 30 days of annual leave. it should not be taxpayer funds giving them three weeks of paid

uncharged leave and then also paying for travel and lodging and meals but something we don't even give our troops when they have a parent die or a sibling die or beloved grandparents die. shannon: how does this end? what to should and would lloyd austin and joe biden following the law and resend their policy. shannon: is not be like they're edging toward that at all. does temper bill have enough pressure on him he re- thanks where he is at? >> i get it lloyd austin think this is a threat to our national security the simplest thing to do will be to revert to the same access we have had for decades. the same practices we had last year after the supreme court reversed roe v wade and resend this unlawful policy on abortion tourism. shannon: will suck about cocaine at the white house lap if you heard what john kirby had to say they'they take it very seriousld that he's not happy they have not found answers either. the secret service says we sent the stuff to the fbi lab we got no finger prints we did not connect dna that insufficient dna there's no surveillance

camera in the area that would have caught this the end of this without physical evidence the investigation will not be able to single out a person of interest but the hundreds of individuals who pass to the vestibule, where the cocaine was discovered the secret service investigation is closed due to a lack of physical evidence. reach out to the secret service to demand answers by friday afternoon when you got? >> we have no answers that's not surprising the secret service is a troubled agency long has had challenges and probably needs new leadership. take this very seriously. what this was anthrax? this is a positive most secure building in the world that the secret service closed on the investigation after just a few days. it's understand they barely conducted any interviews. i don't like t they interviewed the president's son who is a known cocaine addict. this is like at hamburger lived in the white house and hamburgers disappeared and they said they did not have any suspects. they know went to the doors and they could interview them is off what the president were really serious about encouragement everyone who goes to those doors submit to a drug test but you

can use here testing samples and identify anyone who has used cocaine the last three months. does a statute if it takes it seriously. seems like another bite and cover up a quick center biden was not there at the time this was discovered for the days are on that research as well. we will wait to see as any of or body their members of congress so they have oversight to launch an investigation without go anywhere? >> this is part of the oversight we connect on the judiciary committee also in homeland secuhomelandsecurity committee d suspect the republican will take this seriously. i don't think that senate democrats well and add this to the growing numbers of investigations into coverups related to joe biden as family. shannon: let us know if you can think from secret service on your request for fbi director christopher wray testified this week on the hilbert's press on a number of things admitted a number of businesses do regular turn over information on u.s. customers without warrants all the time. here's part of his interaction with representative thomas massie. >> george hill former fbi

supervisory intelligence analyst told us the bank of america, with no legal process gave to the fbi gun purchase records, with no geographical boundaries for anyone who is bank of america customer. is that true? >> a number of business committee partners all the time including financial institution shared information with us about possible criminal activity. it's fully lawful. >> are both lawyers if you think it's fully lawful? and more important should it be? >> 's second question is a key point whether it is or is not, i don't think most americans expect their banks be handing over records of their purchases of that in kind of probable cause or reasonable suspicion. think the conversation happen there on that tape and in the hearing to contrast we talked about the secret service they will dedicate thousands and thousands of agents to try to fight every grandmother he was

in washington d.c. on january 6 the shutdown investigation and just a few days paid the fbi had problems under jim comay that is why he was rightly fired. christopher raitt was hired to help clean it up to reform its culture at the top. unfortunate that is not happen but you still see fbi agents threatening traditional catholics could be domestic extremists. or conducting raids at the home of pro-life activists the great crime of singing hymns to for abortion clinics there is a lot of reform that needs to happen in the fbi. shannon: to defray the fbi did said that memo on catholic churches was up old bread of the house is pushing to talk to the people are behind it they want to know how ever got there do not know if i ever get testimony from them. >> what worries most americans are at least most republicans and conservatives it seems like every incident of misconduct or abuse, or mistake was the fbi is to apologize as i was targeting people in the center right. it is never targeting people centered left. shannon: let's talk but of the hot button issue you've entered the building's parents more

rights, more information it say their child in school is considering going through gender transition what the school has to disclose to parents and those kind of things you'll be appointed federal judge days ago rowley it's apparent in california have the situation with an elementary aged child. the school did not tell them what was going on. the judge said that's the issue for this court is not whether it's a good idea for school districts to notify parents of minors gender identity and received consent before using alternative names and pronounce but whether the u.s. constitution mandate such parental authority. this court holds that it does not. i do not imagine you're going to get a lot of democrats support on your bill. but if you do will it survive legal scrutiny question at this judge set of debates on the u.s. constitution, no. >> is in conflict with a state law which parents are trying to say they have an inherent right in the constitution to control the upbringing of their child with the server import has recognized the right in some cases. my lout simply say state law cannot keep from parents affect

their kid may be trying to transition or have teachers and counselors influencing them. schools cannot even give kids a tylenol without getting permission from their parents they should not be able to change their gender without notifying their parent its basic common sense that every parent would agree with. >> could you get democratic votes? >> i would hope so i would hope most sane americans with think parent should have a say over what sex their kid is big bend these days the democrats are very focused on extremist elements of the race so i'm not sure. shannon: of all the legislation, senator thank you. shannon: is a by demonstration and run around republicans and supreme court to wipe out billions of dollars in student loan debt? is it legal? we'll bring in the sunday panel to discuss whether that move could galvanize younger voters again. my name is brian delallo. i teach ap and honors economics in pittsburgh, pennsylvania.

financial well-being to me is knowing that i can be free to do the things that i love to do. i hope when i retire someday, they say, that guy made this place a special place to come to school and gave as much as he could to help the community.

>> have they drug tested this list of 500 potential suspects that brought an illegal substance, a drug, cocaine into the white house? their answer was no. they're unwilling to do so.

>> it were a small amount of marijuana or cocaine found summer in the capitol complex, we would not want to drug test everybody who works here. shannon: it mixed reaction from omega secret service announces investigation into who brock brt located to the white house is over without naming any suspects is time now for the sunday group. politico congressional reporter olivia beavers for kevin winds and former campaign surrogate marc thiessen and mary katharine hammer. you have heard our conversation but without the white house of the lack of any name or conclusion or the conclusion has happened. i found this interesting bloomberg reporter jason leopold and a freedom of information act to track information from secret service they sent a letter saying this we regret to inform you we cannot comply bring the file is being object disclosure to be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings but i don't know how they're going to many enforcement proceedings were going to use of race part

of my liberal colleagues in the trump administration which is this is not normal. this is not normal that phrase was used rightly to say you should be more appalled by this and the by demonstration should be a bit more appalled by this. i think if they wanted to know they would know who the perpetrator was here. i think it is a big bill despite my libertarian street to have hard drugs inside the white house. it is to be protected. >> just leaves a speculation ramp at if we don't get any better for them if they got to someone. >> would talk about nonstop for two weeks or so. admiral kirby said the secret service is a lead investigative agency on this. there was little evidence in terms of the physical evidence with that baggy. we have all been through that white house entrance. there are not cameras inside for security reasons. maybe the secret service will readjust some of their security procedures but i am a democrat i

was for president by this is concerning a lease or have more questions and answers at this point. think we will likely move on as a country to bigger and more interesting and important issues but certainly troubling. shannon: ready talk last week about how the president's maker to he does not want to hear any think that is about hunt. it is not 100 to be dragged into anything he does not want to be told to not have hunter front and center and events he's family this is where things are going to be. ask theo's photos up on that and talks about this the headline old yeller saying the president is cranky and has a privately a very bad temper it says biting at such a quick trigger temper some aides tried to avoid meeting alone with him quote no one is safe said one demonstration of the show. my question is why are we now getting these reports are inside? why are we now starting to get negative leaks about the president? works of currently old yeller is not upset about the coke and the white house left mark think there is a concern about the

president's campaign misses date 907 of the biden presidency is according a 5:30 eight average the most unpopular present history of the country going back to harry truman except for jimmy carter at this point in his presidency. and he has a seven and 10 people think he is too old to do the job. his successor kamala harris is less popular than he is. so this is a problem for they were not convinced donald trump was turning onto the nomination i think there would be panic in the white house right now and in the democratic party. shannon: cnn is reporting on that same people reach out other potential alternatives they say conversations keep happening, quiet whispers on the sidelines of events, texts, e-mails, phone calls as top democrats endurance retouch of the scene as possible replacement presidential candidates because they feel like time is already running out the lack of the more robust campaign activity they want to see is a sign that is disheartening the president is not really in it. >> the underlying fear they are

the biden supporters are dismissing the biden is not going to be running think the underlying fear is biting is not putting all his energy into this reelection campaign prevent report talked about how they do not have key staff in early election states. he has not been building out is infrasthisinfrastructure just gs first fundraising numbers since he basically launches campaign his reelection campaign on they are not as strong compared to donald trump when he did his and president obama years back. i think this worry is them attempting to say okay, if we're going to be looking for alternatives if you do not get going but you need to start it going to go to talk about gavin newsom, governor whitmer? >> we have two advanced asian men who are likely to be the nominees were running on an inevitability that is inherently to borrow another phase a low-energy way of running it does not inspire confidence. biden's low-energy problems just in general is creating a market

failure than us these third-party buzz popping up it's itswhy the discussion of maybe n alternative to biden's popping up because people's desires are not being served here but certainly not energetically. shannon: they were happy to tell their fundraising there was a bright spot for the campaign $72 million raised in q2 for the biden/harris team dramatically outraised the announced totals from every gop candidate running for president including donald trump and more than two -- one ron desantis more than three -- one. kevin and that gives you some smiles of records also incredibly strong numbers when the more interesting things coming out of that report is 30% of those donors are new since 2022 the president's campaign really 40000 americans contributed over 600,000 times to this campaign. in q2 those are great numbers from every single state in this country. and again as you just said thre- one. into olivia's point that gives a lot of cash to build out this campaign. shannon: seems a little

skeptical but. >> it's up lot of money it's a weekend at bernie's propping up a guy who is declining. [laughter] [inaudible] >> money is important. if you just look at how much joe biden has declined in the last 18 months went out to the bush of menstruation look at pics of bush on the day he looked took off as a day he left office and how old he got the job really wears you down. if you look at pictures that joe biden took the oath of office compared to today it is like eight years of pressure how's it going to be 18 months from now? he literally, we could get to election day he could look so feeble literally americans are going to conclude he cannot do the job. shannon: he says it's in the job demo comes a student loan debt forgiveness after the supreme court set struck down the plan they come up with the new and walter journal says this, by demonstration to wipe out $39 billion in student loans for 800,000 borrowers. student loan borrowers on income

driven repayment plan to make 20 or 25 years of payments will get the remaining balance is wiped out in coming weeks education department said an accurate payment counts in the past resulted in borrowers losing progress toward loan forgiveness for olivia keep trying to press for more details on exactly how this is going to work this is administrative fix to the past conveniently though benefits 800,000 people who might be voting next time frequency comes after the supreme court ruled against their previous attempts for they are doing this under the higher education act of 1965. they are claiming as you said trying to fix some issues in the past and deficiencies and issues with the loan servicers the admitsadmission worked with but republicans are out there saying you are buying votes this is your attempt to pay off people and democrats are saying no were just keeping our promises. we need to be looking at what more information the administration can provide in terms of why they are giving this where they're actually issues? that something will see unfold

going forward. >> the suggestions are based on federal department of education saying sorry, we cannot count to run count again. [laughter] parts of the bipartisan problem. quick student loan borrowers are demanding a recount. let meet really quickly congress person lisa mclean is her publia republican went to the florida last on friday said this in a tweet, biden's unconstitutional loan forgiveness scheme is a slap in the face to hard-working taxpayers have dutifully paid off their student loans, rest assured come hell or high water i will fight this blatant overreach until the end. mark i'm assuming this ends in war? >> she is one 100% right here is the thing this is only 39 billion compared to a 500 billion to a trillion dollars of the first implant its financially when given to peope paid off their own 20 -- 25 years on p john people are 40, 5 years old. the reason they're doing this in the first place was to energize young voters for their not going to get a penny out of this. this is for older voters as a giveaway to gen x an older

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i must also interest for their not going to start a third party for the not going to run a race unless they think they can win

it. shannon: former governor terry hogan note labels on the effort to set up a third party unity ticket to take on the two nominees. were back with the panel. they had the brand-new common sense but what they put out this morning. this is what they say from note labels part of american politics to log it feels like a battle of ideas and feels more like a war of two tribes bent on each other's destruction. the way out is for america's growing commonsense majority too come together in advance of the presidential election to demand something better. the left worries that's going to hurt the president's going to help with he's the nominee president trump will put them right back in the white house for a quick they're worried about the spoiler with no labels. interesting enough as a national field director for no labels i helped launch the organization and 2010 -- 2011. your point to the commonsense agenda hope they return to their roots which is more policy focus. we are founded early on -- note labels was found early on to beat back against the tea party support moderates and tougher

publican races but hope they return to that mentality supporting bipartisan solutions. gotta present you can work with the bipartisan president to be e seen in a generation. and i think going down this route in terms of the p the prey aspect of it the nominee convention, the dark of money raising $70 million we do not know who is finding this effort. this way more questions than answers is a real fear among democrats it will be a spoiler progressive reporting on a group may include former house leader gephardt tried to stop no labels take the new group has commission private polling showing generic moderate independent third party candidate would pull more votes away from president biden then former president donald trump. they are worried. >> you seen this cross in their publican campaigns in different ways let me explain. with note labels their fear as they pick someone who is a center sent moderate and independent. that will hurt biting a piece up against the trump port desantis.

desantis and his campaign is fearing tim scott is pulling away power from him when he is running against donald trump. both sides are trying to figure out that's racing gephardt and his campaign is swinging at them saying you are denying voters options very q request to writet this recently. >> i think labels could win think it's a longshot but it's possible. >> 40% of americans are willing to a third-party option for a quick sears why think i could win but ross perot's most successful third-party candidate yet had never polled about 38% here right now according to the harris expo 59% of americans say they would consider a third-party ticket including 59% of democrats, 53% of republicans and 70% of independents. why is that? the vast majority of americans have said very clearly we do not want a trump/biden rematch. but it looks like we are heading toward that part when he differ

in that position? if you're a democrat you're not going to vote for trump you do not abide in. if you want a republican you're not going to vote for biden so you have no safe harbor. there is a desire for a safe harbor if they put forward a series ticket with what's a joe manchin and a series republican on it, a lot of people run to the safe harbor. it is still a long shot but i think this would actually be a very serious, serious presidential campaign. shannon: they've gotten that gor senator mansion and former governor ambassador john huntsman and ambassador and a key early state tomorrow precooked is a nonprofit evident 2012 i believe is america elect. it came four years too early because in 2006 seen a bunch of people at a safe harbor. it's interesting this could be coinciding at a correct time this time around. look, people's needs are not being meant for their crying out for summing different. i like that the democrats have raised fresh faced dick and gephardt. [laughter] to give people a little spice in

this race. people are saying we want something different but i cannot be mad at ballot access because the tricky part of this and what they did in 2012. shannon: it takes a lot of work pretty or some someone else wann a third-party potential bid price running in the green pa party. >> i am trying to speak the truth and pursue justice that wi wasto spend as much time focg on the plight of working people as they do on the spoiler perks dnc chairman said this is not the time to play around on the margins is what he told the hill he sounded the alarm, kevin. >> certainly and west is a fear among democrats to be a spoiler as well. we are facing an existenial threat to this country if donald trump is a likely nominee, six months out from iowa caucuses he is leading the field. that is a problematic. anything that would disrupt president biden's chance at beating donald trump on the november ballot is something democrats the vast majority of

americans are not interested in. shannon: in a very, very crowded gop to get through it nbc news has a memo that went out of its confidential and to family and friends, i desantis memo kind of saying this is our way forward when he is not taking up in the polls away hope for the memo comes at a time when desantis political orbit for the first time has to respond to being seriously punched in the mouth for trump continues to trouble him leaving his political team playing defense to prevent a donor exodus. >> is a guy who ran a perfect campaign for governor. a fixture for forgiveness comes out of the box stumbling. look he's s is still the most ly republican to be donald trump in it is still early. the debates are a month away the first four to six months will be having started again. so this is the early stages. but this republican field is wide no labels as a serious possibility. if trump becomes a nominee there

is significant -- in 2006 to the point you are making a lot of people did not like trump still voted for trump because he cared about supreme court with the supreme court's on the ballot. what became dobbs is on the ballot. trump success freeze a lot of republicans going for third-party candidate. because the supreme court is not on the ballot now dobbs is done it and put back to the states and glue that was holding a lot of trump skeptical republicans to him does not exist anymore. as long as their abortion neutral on no labels and micro- repumicrorepublican votes requee desantis campaign as having to deal with they have laid off staffers. they say they're building a huge digital output they have tons of people on the ground they're flushing out the early states they feel confident. they got a lot of money on hand. >> the sound very confident that what we were just talking about they had a hard launch they had a shaky start. they had a fast burn rate through staff i think there is

about 90 staffers they had and that really says costing the campaign way too much money on the front and their focus is shifting to iowa appeared that as their primary focus. not wearing about super tuesday states. they want to make sure they have a strong resurgence in the polls with the first few states. i also think there is an interview with him not too long ago where he blamed the media saying they do not want me too be elected. that's how we want to do what you should be looking donald trump look after your campaign figuring out how to break more into his face. that is where he can probably be making a stronger pitch to voters. >> on the voting says he is repairing desantis to do mediate with interviews and go into the arena get in touch there. meanwhile the former president who was to be present again is done with all kind of legal issues which seem to be helping his campaign they are very real issues. prosecutors are talking to witnesses about whether he won

or lost in the days after the election. prosecutors do not need hard evidence think i know i'm breaking the law. their cases are made stronger when they can produce evidence the defendant knows there's no legal or factual basis but goes ahead with making it anywhere. they're talking to people like his son-in-law and others who would have been close to him say that he really think you lost or not? >> is another one of the issues that important for the rest of the gop field, and the primary perhaps cuts and trumps a favor they feel like they are in opposition to trump and we are going to join up behind him. fofor desantis he performs welln a debate argument style. sitting of main street media is going to sit down with him is good but opposition to trump is where he needs to be that's the argument need to be mounting he has momentum somewhere like iowa i think it helps trump giving himself more trouble may be going after the very popular governor of iowa kim reynolds to print out the best step in that direction.

[laughter] early in the game. shannon: he has had multiple subpoints there 20 or 30 points and most of the pulling out of iowa. yost also has to deal to spread his legal team is trying to push the document case that mar-a-lago document cases the federal case until after the election. special counsel jack smith and the d.o.j. this week said no, we know you're busy running for president. this is their motion against delaying the trial for this and many indicted defendant tapped demanding jobs that require a considerable amount of their time and energy. or a significant amount of travel for the speedy trial can't but it's no such factor as a basis for continuance and the court should not indulge it here. mark, there's a lot of debate whether it's better for him to get this over with before the trial but to me as a lawyer knowing everything involved it seems impossible for that to happen. or is it better to have it behind him? west it is hard to say. this is why is unprecedented for the administration of the former president's political opponent to be indicting him and trying him in the midst of an election when he is the leading candidate to running as the president.

these are unprecedented legal questions. it is unquestionably helping him politically. before the break indictment trump was in the m mid- 40s, desantis was at 30. it was within striking distance and as soon that first indictment happened, it tightened up he is now in the 50s and he has stayed there. more indictment morality effect. shannon: great for its fundraising to breath heavily thought to leave it there please come back next sunday we will see you then. reminder fox news channel host the first 2024 for problem primary debate just five weeks from now in milwaukee. bret baier and martha mccallum will moderate candidates take the stage at 9:00 p.m. eastern to see who makes it. preview of my interview with a familiar face about persevering when thing s get really tough.gi we will be rightve back.

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next "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ ♪ if. ♪ ♪ maria: good sunday morning, everyone. thanks so much for joining us this morning. welcome to "sunday morning futures," i'm maria bartiromo. breaking news from former president donald j. trump. i sat down with the 45th president of the united states when he told me he has not yet made a final decision on whether he'll participate in the upcoming gop primary debate next month but that there will leakily be future members of his potential cabinet members on that stage should he win the