nice. brian, did you teach her everything she knows. >> brian: keep playing. >> ainsley: what is this? >> brian: that is knocker ball. >> can you do this, the velcro balls. >> 18 seconds. >> nice. >> nice. >> brian: thanks so much, guys. women's world cup, roy, thank you. >> ainsley: have a good day. >> >> bill: an american detained in north korea. dana has the day off. i'm bill hemmer. good morning to my old frenld sandra smith. >> sandra: this is "america's newsroom." a lot we're monitoring for you. confirmed to fox that detainee is an american soldier. they were on a tour of the

demilitarized zone separating the north and south. that's when they apparently crossed into the dprk without permission. fox team coverage for you now. former c.i.a. station chief dan hoffman standing by. greg palkot and what we know at this hour. >> it is definitely developing into a major incident. it is absolutely a bizarre one having been to that area a few times, usually the traffic is from the north to the south. this time apparently from the south to the north. a u.s. citizen confirmed to fox news a u.s. soldier on an orientation tour crossed over into north korean territory without authorization and is now believed to be in their custody. those details from the u.n. security force in charge at that spot. that spot is where it is believed to have happened, around where in june 2019 you might recall then president

trump shook hands with north korean leader kim. security at most times is quite heavy. the reports we're getting from one of our contacts on the ground there is that ever since the leader kim shut down his country further due to covid-19, the military presence on the north side, the peace village in the border town has been sparse. maybe this is how it happened. still the southern side is pretty well guarded. this comes at a time typically high tension from north korea launching missiles and works on its nuclear arsenal. the biden administration is unsuccessful making headway with pyongyang. u.n. officials say they're working with the north to try to resolve this incident. it has been several hours now and i can't figure out quite how it could be resolved quickly. we've been to that spot in the dmz. communications between the north

and south is very sparse and the crossing very difficult. why this guy did it according to u.n. security forces he did voluntarily cross the line. we don't know that either. another headache for the white house. back to you. >> sandra: we're watching. >> bill: a lot of theories now. don't know facts. dan hoffman former station chief fox news contributor. good morning to you. i don't know what you've been able to piece together. cbs news has this report calling him as part of a tourist group that was visiting the dmz and apparently he was with a bunch of other tourists at the time. they have all been questioned and some of them apparently said the man gave out a loud hah and ran in between some of these buildings. the buildings apparently have not been occupied by north korean soldiers for some time going back to the pre-pandemic level. we don't know. did he do it voluntarily? was he snagged? these are questions that are wide open at the moment, dan.

>> there are a lot of unanswered questions. i can tell you our u.s. military right now is mounting a full investigation. i'm sure we know the identity of this soldier and i'm sure they are talking to anyone at that demilitarized zone who might have witnessed the soldier crossing over into north korean territory. that's one of the most heavily surveilled geographic areas on the planet. i'm sure we can go and look at what happened and determine how this soldier -- why he chose to make this decision and how he did it. now north korea has another piece of leverage that they can use against us and we know from the past that they've used u.s. persons as pawns to gain traction in negotiations with the united states. back in 2018 secretary pompeo was able to engineer the release of three americans. we know otto warmbier was detained in north korea and brutally murdered there.

it is a very dangerous situation for the soldier and implications for u.s. foreign policy. >> sandra: you mentioned the leverage it would give north korea. based on what we know at this hour, dan, what would you expect from the white house? how should we be handling this right now? time is of the essence. >> i would expect the white house to be reaching out to secretary kerry who is in china now to see whether china might play a positive role. we can't really expect anything from them right now. the biden administration tried to engage in north korea. offered talks without pre-conditions and kim has refused and gone on testing record numbers of ballistic missiles with an eye towards being able to target the united states with the rush on 18 missile and there are reports that north korea may plan a nuclear test in the near term. what kim wants is sanctions relief and to be recognized as a

nuclear power. this u.s. soldier now in north korea's custody may add to his leverage to make that happen. >> bill: along that dmz if you've been there you know binoculars are everywhere. the north also test fired and icbm about a week ago and you know the sway that beijing has in north korea. china, through all of this perhaps has the biggest vote of all as to what happens inside the hermit kingdom. >> they do. they would seek to exact quite a steep price from the united states in return for any assistance that they might provide. that's the concern for the biden administration is that the way out of this is going to cost us. now look, we've got to be willing to pay whatever price we have to pay to get this soldier out of north korea's clutches but it is going to be painstaking. i can tell you north korea will

be in no rush to make any move whatsoever. >> bill: that's a fact. dan, thank you. quick work on that. come back later if you get more. dan hoffman. we talk to former u.n. ambassador nikki haley, now a presidential candidate and join us on this topic and more coming up later. stand by for that. >> i'm the most independent democrat you have ever met. he is getting closer to the edge. >> sandra: democratic senator joe manchin stoking democrat fears of a third party ruin while speaking at a no label town hall in new hampshire last night. does he have the potential to leave president biden as a one termer? >> well, as senator joe biden -- senator joe manchin has been mulling a white house run.

after this democrat from west virginia went to the first in the nation primary state and was head lined at this town hall event, the big question, the question looms is could he head up a third party ticket? >> i think people are getting ah ahead. >> he dodged a question whether he would choose his fellow town hall participant former republican governor of utah huntsman on a unity ticket backed by no labels, the political group hosting the event. also laying the ground work to support a potential bipartisan bid featuring yet to be named candidates. >> if people make you believe you are divided, don't accept that. you are not divided. it's the politicians in washington. it's politics. it's still the same old same old. if we end up in 2024 with the same set of nominees that we did

in 2020, i mean, is that insanity? the definition of insanity or what? >> current poll last month 23% of registered voters say they would support an unnamed third party candidate over democrat joe biden and republican donald trump. that's three times as many as 2019. >> we shouldn't have to choose one side or the other. >> we would like another choice. we would like another good choice for who we can have. not a republican or not a democrat. another good choice. >> now no labels is still just prepping for this potential third party run and analyzing polling data. they have yet to commit. >> sandra: molly line live from boston. >> bill: the big picture with fox news contributor karl rove who joins us live from austin, texas. i like the title. the big picture. you can use that. you can thank me later, too, i

guess. conventional wisdom said democrats are saying it hurts joe biden because he is the incumbent. i don't know if you agree with that or not. cornel west said this last night with sean. >> i think more and more fellow citizens are reaching the conclusion that the whole system is so rotten, you have both parties that are so corrupt with politicians who are tied to big money. true for republicans and democrats. >> bill: he makes the point. do you agree the level of distaste has grown that much? >> yeah. let's look at one poll that gives us an indication of that. cnn, the ssrs poll recently said three choices, trump, biden, or neither. 33% said trump, 32% said biden. 31% said neither. the final poll in 2020 between

biden and trump only 5% said neither. in 2012, the final poll just before the election only with featuring obama and romney, only 3% said neither. now granted we're talking about today versus where we might be at the end of the election but that's a huge number, 31% saying neither. that's where a third party might have a chance to make a significant impact on the election. >> sandra: nice to see you. here is senator joe manchin. >> adult supervision of hemmer. >> bill: don't start. >> sandra: okay. this is joe manchin last night. get your response out of this. >> we're here to make sure that the american people have an option. the option is getting the political parties -- they've gone too far right and too far left. if i get in a race i win.

>> sandra: he wants to give them another option. they've gone too far right, too far left. does he have a point here, karl? >> well, i think he has a point that the american politics is broken and we seem to be frozen into camps that can never find -- rarely find compromise. i think it would be a mistake to think that what that is talking about is some magic point in the middle. people want sensible solutions that are conservative in some instances and left of center on some instances. so you have manchin, who is a democrat who supported things like the inflation reduction act. if the no labels is going to have a chance to make an impact they better have somebody who is a more traditional republican as a running mate if manchin is the choice. but look, here is the -- let's step back for a minute. the big picture is we're on the cusp, if we have the frontrunners are trump and biden, and if the frontrunners become the nominees of the two

parties, we can have a very interesting race that will be the most complicated and most up for grabs that we've seen in our lifetime because the people are deeply dissatisfied with the choice of some guy who will be 82 shortly after the 2024 election and another guy 78 and thinks he won the last race. there will be a lot of potential for movement. whether or not it comes to fruition we don't know. third parties fail towards the end. even like theodore roosevelt. elected the first democrat between 1856 and 1932, and, you know, the third parties have effects at the end that we cannot predict but we'll have, i think, a chance for a third party in 2024 that could have a big impact on the outcome of the election one way or the other.

>> bill: the group no labels will decide by super tuesday. your reflection on history is spot on. karl, thank you. talk about soon. karl rove live in austin with the big picture. thank you. >> sandra: all right. on to ron -- okay. >> we have somebody who was blue collar kid growing up. i worked every minimum wage job under the sun trying to make it through school. i believe in america you work hard, get the most out of your ability you will be able to succeed. i think we're losing that as a country. >> sandra: ron desantis, that happened a few minutes ago. the first republican to do so in south carolina. the primary is february 24th. strong showing there could they the governor change the narrative that his campaign is struggling. it worked for president biden in 2020. duplicating that may be easier said than done. that was an interesting moment

happened a short time ago. >> bill: he talked a lot about big dollar money. a quarter two. we went over this a lot yesterday. the numbers show us, joe biden decent number 72 million. donald trump at 35 million, and then ron desantis in third at 20 million and the others are in single digits, raised single digit million dollar money. we have a big deal on the 23rd of august. that could go a long way to determining and shaping a lot of what we're watching right now when we have the debate in milwaukee, wisconsin. a reminder to check that out and make sure it is on your calendar for milwaukee then. now 15 minutes past the hour. check this out. >> i want you to know that we have been fighting to make it clear that israel is a racist state. >> bill: far left democrat jayapal facing a by sehrt san boomerang for that remark.

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>> bill: new hope on the horizon for alzheimer's patients. there is a drug that slows the disease by 35%. that rate doubles in patients in the early stages of the disease. meanwhile new study showing alzheimer's rates are highest in the country. 1 and 6 seniors living in dade county, florida, baltimore and bronx. maryland has the highest prevalence followed by new york and mississippi. if they can continue along that path a lot of great news. >> sandra: families would be interested in breakthroughs. we're onto this investigation. it is ongoing. investigators combing through

new evidence collected from the home of suspected gilgo beach serial killer rex heuermann. finding more than 200 firearms in his basement. nate foye is there in massapequa park, new york. what is the latest from the investigation, nate? >> investigators are his home for a fifth consecutive day. among the strangest evidence collected so far is a portrait of a blond woman with a battered face and bruising around her eyes. look at video from the fox news drone. yesterday they collected a play buy magazine. the three women he is accused of murdering were sex workers and the amount of guns. investigators collected over 200 but only permits for 92. the search for more evidence continues here and also at a third storage unit belonging to heuermann. take a live look here a short drive away from his home in

amityville. they have checked a storage unit looking for evidence in the three murders he is charged with or possibly any others. people in massapequa park say it is unnerving to know a man that is charged with such crimes was living close to them. >> the fact it is right there is so concerning. you never know who is around you. i think as a girl it is so important to pay attention to your surroundings. >> sandra, multiple outlets report investigators seized heuermann's old avalanche pickup truck in south carolina. the first piece of evidence that led investigators to think heuermann may be the man responsible for these murders. we learned a state police investigator was the first one to identify heuermann has a suspect. the 59-year-old remains locked up and will appear in court next on august 1st. send it back to you, sandra. >> sandra: thank you, nate. >> bill: family members of the 13 service members killed in

kabul two years ago next month are in washington. they'll be on the hill today meeting with top house republicans as they continue to press for answers on the kabul pull-out. what in the world went wrong? one of them is the father of this man, marine staff sergeant taylor hoover still looking for answers. darien hoover is with me now. taylor's dad and darrell issa. thank you both for your time. mr. hoover, sorry for your loss. what a sacrifice. thank you for being here today. i understand you got your son's camera back but the simm card was missing and the card contains emails, text messages and pictures that he would have had. you never got that, did you? >> no, we did not. we did get the phone back but unfortunately everything had been either taken or wiped clean and no reason given at all. you know, those are just some of

the answers, a few of the answers we're looking for. >> bill: and the memories of your son, aren't they? >> correct. >> bill: darrell issa, when you look for answers, even to this day, what has been the reaction from the administration on those questions? >> bill, thanks for having us on. you know, the reality is that we're not getting answers to big things and bigger things. big things like how did this happen? why is there so much confusion as to whether there was an explosion and gunfire or just an explosion? bigger things like darren said, why is it so many personal belongings that were recovered that are meaningful to the families are not returned and no explanation? you know, grieving families deserve every nuance of answers they can as to their child, as

to their husband and those are some of the areas that yesterday they talked to the speaker and to the majority leader and others about was, you know, can't you at least get us those kinds of things that every family member of someone lost deserves? >> bill: sir, have you met hunter, the mother of hunter lopez? he was a marine corporal and this is what his mom said. she said we just don't want our kids' names to be forgotten. we want accountability. just seems like it has been such an uphill climb, sir. >> it absolutely has been. it is one of the reasons that when we took the majority it became a priority of the speaker and of the chairman mccaul, to get answers and to what happened and how it happened so it doesn't happen again. and for every -- the nine family

members of the 13 that were with us yesterday, that's all we were asking for is keep it from happening again. then my son will not have died in vain if, in fact, from this we don't let it happen again. >> bill: darren, take this quote. the conclusion. insufficient senior level consideration of worst case scenarios and how quickly those might follow. that's a quote from the report. i'm sure you've been it yourself. when you are on the hill today, what are your specific questions? >> the specifics that i want is how we came to this conclusion with the withdrawal complete? was it the state department that made the goof? was it the d.o.d.? was it lower levels, mid levels, upper level command that did

this? the poor planning, and how it happened. it doesn't need to happen and it can't happen again. we've got veterans that -- from this war and beyond that left their blood, sweat and tears over there and some unfortunately body parts and ultimately sacrificed and gave their life full major. it has to be a kick in the gut to them, after doing all this, to have it end the way that it did. and, you know, to have congressman issa, the chairman mccaul, and the speaker majority leader and a couple other congressmen, congressman waltz was another one we were able to meet with yesterday. and trying to get all these answers so that stuff like this does not happen again. it can't. >> bill: so families of nine of

the 13 gold star families have gathered in washington. you are one of them. must be remarkable to meet with them in person. good luck today. we'll see what happens. thank you, gentlemen. >> sandra: brutal. theft, shoplifting running rampant in the democratic run state. walgreens is taking extreme measures to protect its goods.

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>> bill: it is 9:36 now. breaking news from overseas, fox news confirming north korea has detained an american soldier. there is a lot we do not know about the circumstances here. some reports suggesting that soldier crossed the military border between the north and south. the united nations saying it happened during a tour of the

dmz. there are many tours that happen there seven days a week. the specific details are elusive. more on this breaking news as we get it right here. stand by. >> sandra: to the pictures out of walgreens we've been watching where they are change up their freezers to stop shoplifters. they say they've been stealing pizza and ice cream 20 times a day in some cases from one of its san francisco locations. another branch in the city just completely boarded up its windows. all that comes after a deadly confrontation between homeless trans woman and security guard there. major economic implications of this. think about this. every time you want to grab a thing of ice cream or tuna snack you have to get an employee to unlock this, bill. they can't keep this up. people don't want to work in that environment or shop in that environment and who wants to live in an environment where you lock up your pizza? >> bill: i was in a store in new york where you didn't have to

call the aten dent and not locked down. depends on where you go. we're watching this breaking right now. donald trump on truth social says on sunday night he received a justice department letter saying that he is the target of a probe into efforts to undo the election of 2020. it is a long statement. we are looking at it right now. but we'll get more on this in a moment. he called jack smith, the prosecutor, deranged. sent a letter sunday night stating that i'm the target of the grand jury investigation giving me a very short four days to report to the grand jury, which almost always means an arrest and indictment, end quote. that's from donald trump a moment ago. we'll get more on this coming up. first from last night on laura's new show. >> these two whistleblowers are nothing but credible. who will you believe?

the biden justice department said catholics were extremist and censored american's free speech rights or the two whistleblowers who have impeccable records >> bill: jim jordan on the two i.r.s. whistleblowers in the hunter biden investigation. says their word is nothing but trustworthy. tomorrow the second one will testify before another house panel. kimberly strassel is author of the new book the biden malaise. just touch on this news right now. i know you haven't seen it. we are reading it out to the audience at the moment. but apparently sunday night there was another message delivered. what do you make of that news? >> looks like confirmation that jack smith is not done. the first indictment. a lot of rumors and suggestions that he was also looking into the question of the 2020 election following down the same path that georgia prosecutor has been going.

it suggests that we could have yet another round of indictments. >> sandra: we're in the moment where we're looking at the handling of the hunter biden probe and the investigation there and james comer still at it, jim jordan on the ingraham angle last night on that said these two whistleblowers have been nothing but credible, kim. where does all this go next? why are there not more lawmakers taking this seriously? >> here is the important thing about the whistleblowers. they completely corroborate each other. we know they did work together but now we've also heard there is a retired f.b.i. agent come in and corroborated them. so we're having greater numbers of people come out and tell the exact same story about what went wrong in the hunter probe and the idea there was political. >> bill: december of 2020. a transition period, joe biden will be the next president, donald trump is on his way out.

this is december 7, 8, 9, i think. call for one, on the day of the hunter biden interview that was scheduled, federal agents were told to stand by and not to approach hunter biden. they had to wait for his call as a result of the change in plans, i.r.s. and f.b.i. criminal investigators never got to interview him as part of the investigation suggesting they were tipped off and the interview never happened. >> the f.b.i. agent is saying this as well. it was a huge part of the whistleblower testimony. what they said they had planned this day of action for a long time. they had 15 different people they wanted the approach. the reason the i.r.s. and f.b.i. investigators you don't tip them off you don't want to give them a chance to lawyer up. you want to surprise them as it were and get their candid response. instead what happened here is they are claiming that f.b.i. headquarters let hunter and his team know that they were coming the next day and that this potentially gave hunter the opportunity to tell all his

associates. they only ended up getting one interview that day after that tip-off. >> bill: tomorrow afternoon we have a hearing, right? and we believe this person x will be there. and we believe gary shapley will be there? he has done interviews and was out there and with bret on june 28th. here is a clip. >> the crux of one of the issues here is that we weren't allowed to ask questions about dad. we weren't allowed to ask about the big guy. we weren't allowed to include certain names and document requests and search warrants so we were precluded from following that line of questioning. >> bill: that's part of what he said. we'll get more tomorrow. >> we're finally going to hear these people on the record for ourselves and i'm betting that now that we have more information from this f.b.i. we'll get a different set of questions as well. not just a repeat of what he said before. we'll probably have some news out of this because we are going

to have them following down different lines of this. >> bill: shapley and the other person. >> sandra: congratulations on the new book. it is -- you call it a message of hope? you talk about it came into their offices hot messes on inflation, energy, crime, foreign policy and beyond. 44 years apart you say america can bounce back. >> the comparisons are amazing. the book makes the case this is unfair to jimmy carter because joe biden was issued a much stronger hand than jimmy carter ever had. it is meant to be a message of hope. meant to point out that one of the things that happened in carter's administration was america saw what happened with bad policies and another candidate came along and gave them a new path, ronald reagan. changed politics for a long time. changed the economy.

we know this formula and the economic policies that work. >> sandra: who comes along then? >> ronald reagan. this time around? that's one of the points of the book. conservative voters, independent voters need to think hard about this. who will they choose as their messenger? one of the reasons reagan was successful, it wasn't that he had a roadmap and economic policies he was hopeful, positive person that tried to bring people together. >> bill: and america was on its back. >> we're kind of there right now, too. >> bill: good luck, nice to see you today. the biden malaise is the book. thanks for your time. check this out now, nancy grace. >> hello, really? she lets this guy out and within about a year and a half six dead bodies were found. this is a serial killer's dream come true in a no police zone.

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>> bill: we've been watching this story develop now on behalf of the investigators. this is amityville, new york. you may remember from years ago amityville horror, which was not true but it made a lot of money as a book and movie. this, however, is a real-life suspense story playing out in realtime. amityville is several miles east of massapequa park where the suspected gilgo beach serial killer was living and this apparently was a storage area that he had. what was in there we don't know, how big it was, we don't know? investigators are on scene to figure out much of what's inside. wanted to update you on that as we continue to follow that story here on tuesday morning. the biden administration's new student loan forgiveness plans. it could cost $475 billion over

ten years. a lot of dollars. edward lawrence will explain live for the white house. how do they explain that? >> exactly. the administration moving forward with that plan. i can tell you also at the top of the hour here the president starting to process to further work around u.s. supreme court ruling to block student loan forgiveness. in ten minutes or so the first public hearing under the department of education will start related to changing the rule under the higher education act of 1965. that change aimed at wiping out hundreds of billions of dollars more in student loan debt and taxpayers will pay for it. the white house also releasing today state by state breakdowns of changing how they count the months towards forgiveness. that's the plan you talked about at the top. 42,000 additional people eligible in new york forgiving 2 billion. as you said the wharton budget model says the move adds $475 billion to the federal debt. white house falling back on talking points.

>> let's not forget the first two years the deficit went down by more than 1 trillion and because of bidenomics and the work he has been doing. >> spending coming off. >> look, we have seen it has gone down over a trillion dollars and he has done this in a responsible way. so he has done reduction as we look at the deficit. it has come down and done so more than any other president has been able to do in their first four years of the administration. >> struggling to explain the costs there the cbo is saying now that the covid money has fallen off, the estimates are pushing the deficit up as well as the deficit up, bill. >> bill: whatever is up is down, right, edward? >> exactly. not good news for us. >> bill: or reverse. thank you, nice to see you from the north lawn. edward lawrence. >> sandra: deficits are not down. job openings in the skilled trades industry continue to

outpace the supply of qualified applicants. many wondering why that's the case. hundreds of thousands of positions need to be filled including the home repair sector, you might have to wait days or even weeks to get critical work done. the owner of gateway plumbing and heating in new york city is here and joins us now. we should thank you for your time. you are highly in demand. >> bill: he is making $25 bucks an hour right now. >> sandra: great to have you here. this is a very real thing and everyone at home no matter where you live in the country are feeling it. we're short tradesmen? >> people aren't being pushed in the trades. when i was a kid it was a good thing that my father was a tradesman and i was learning his trade. kids wanted to do that. parents wanted their kids to do

that, to become a trades person and masons, electricians, plumbers, it is a very varied industry the building trades. and it's good, honest work and the pay is -- can be very good. there is -- plus overtime and benefits and the unions do a good job of training their members. >> bill: i sense a shift in america now. toward skills like yours. just the double digit demand is tremendous. carpenters up 23%, stone masons up 45%. construction labor 18%. do you see that in your business? >> what we see is just again yes, we're in demand i'm not sure how to answer it except to say that we're -- if i had more workers, i could get a lot more done. >> bill: that's a catch. you cannot find enough people to carry the workload. >> no, i cannot.

i cannot. and we hire. it used to be that people had a job and they stayed there for 20 years or something and now there is a lot of jumping around. it's sort of the way people advance their careers now is jump from company to company so you have to be careful now who you train and who you want to put some money into and time into. and so, you know, i do get applicants but are you going to stick around? are you serious about this? are you able to carry a heavy bucket and climb a ladder? >> sandra: there are physical demands to the job. how do you change the stigma? college isn't for everyone. most parents feel like their kid has to go to college or the student feels like they have to go to college. how do you change the stigma attached to not doing that and jumping into a trade job? >> well, you know, i'm not a big fan of telling people not to go

to college. i believe there probably is some value to the college experience beyond the course material. but the fact is that we keep hearing about people getting great education at colleges and universities across the country come out and there is just -- mired in debt and not getting great jobs anyway. so where as in the trades, we pay you to learn and it's basically an apprenticeship program and you come up through the trades. once you put in a little time. not the time it takes to get a college degree. you are making six digits. >> bill: nothing better than having a contractor show up and do the job and do it right. >> sandra: make sure you pay them well and on time. >> it's very rewarding. there is room for creativity there. i know when i see pipes that my

guys put in i know who did what. >> bill: you know the good ones. >> yeah, sure. there is a certain style to everyone's work. >> bill: thank you, good luck to you. i think business is good as long as you have the workers to do it for you. >> sandra: good for you. thank you for coming in. >> bill: as the country swelters a bit under this heave wave one of our own producers was caught in a nightmare travel chaos on a flight from vegas to atlanta. on the tarmac in a hot plane in 111 degree heat and no a.c. more on this story. what happened, steve? good morning. >> good morning, bill. coming out to the airport weekly for weather delays, air traffic controller shortage delays, holiday travel delays. this time because of the heat. fox news producer was on a flight from las vegas to atlanta yesterday. that flight sat on the tarmac for more than two hours. 111 degrees out and christa said

it felt like being a dog trapped in a parked car on a hot summers day. the passengers began to have emergency medical problems. emts came on board and she said the passengers were given a choice, either get off the plane and face several days of delay potentially, or stay on board. here is what christa had to say. >> you are telling us we have multiple medical emergencies on flight, the plane still cannot get any cooler than it is. it is still hot and we are sitting on the plane and you are telling us you have a choice to either sit here and get possibly sick, watch all this go down, or not get to your destination for days. i mean, people have jobs, we have lives, we need to get back to where we're going and you are basically telling us sit on this hot plane or you aren't getting to where you need to go. >> delta acknowledged at least one passenger was treated by emts and they apologized for the

unfortunate series of events. bill, back to you. >> bill: thank you. watching this. you have to think thank goodness it wasn't us. but for the folks on board that plane, they have a story. thank you, steve harrigan in atlanta. watching that. >> not good. >> bill: you are sitting there with your daughter and are we going to make a decision, right? >> not good. >> sandra: it is hot everywhere. it is brutal. >> bill: it is also july. >> sandra: it is also july. the serious demands on energy right now. you sit on a plane that long and emotions run high, people get short tempered. not good. >> bill: you are right. stand by now. moving to the next hour. we have a fox news alert on the story. it has been developing for the past 90 minutes and trying to piece it together as we go. a u.s. soldier has been reported missing after crossing into north korea during an orientation tour of the heavily fortified demilitarized zone

that separates north and south korea. we're trying to get more information on this. don't really know what happened just yet as we begin a new hour here. i'm bill hemmer, dana has the day off today. >> sandra: i'm sandra smith. the diplomatic crisis is unfolding at this hour as we learn brand-new details. north korea apparently taking an american into custody. the u.n. command says the u.s. soldier entered north korea without authorization and is likely being held in detention by the north korean regime. >> bill: former u.n. ambassador nikki haley has analysis. first rich edson has the story from the north lawn as best as we can tell at the moment anyway, good morning. >> the circumstances as to what this soldier was doing crossing into north korea are unclear. here is what we know from united nations command. they tell us a u.s. national on