joey: the guy has an ability to bring things pretty much. alicia: we have to go. that doesn't rust, we will see you next weekend, "life, liberty and levin" start right now. shannon bream new fox pulls on the state of the race just a month ahead of the first republican debate. while the current front runner faces a likelihood of yet another imminent indictment. ♪ >> i did not know practically what a subpoena was and grand juries in all this. now i'm becoming expert. shannon: former president donald trump will wait to learn if he will face charges as his republican rivals weigh in on his growing legal issues. hugs i'm not convinced it was criminal progress i do not think it should disqualify illegally

from running. shannon: one of those candidates vivek ramaswamy joins us to discuss how he is trying to take a bite out of tromso base. then more questions about the conduct of hunter biden during his time on the board of burisma. irs whistleblowers go public with claims the justice department slow walked a tax investigation into the president's son. >> i still think that a special counsel is necessary for this investigation. shannon: will take a look at the increasing certainty around hunter they downplay the drama heading into an election year. and it president biden touts his administration support for union workers. >> 'bidenomics' is another way of saying restore the american dream. >> looming across the country could up and his efforts. we will talk about it all at the president's top economic adviser jared bernstein. >> plus precooked is a lot of energy in south carolina piquant is good to back in south carolina. >> it is a great day in south carolina.

shannon: candidates barnes on the palmetto state looking for support head of the first in the south a primary parts on the panel breaks out our brand-new polls out of south carolina and iowa. all right now on "fox news sunday." ♪. shannon: hello from foxnews in washington. just a one month from now the republican candidates for president are set to face off the first time in milwaukee. but first they have to get to the debate stage. polling is one part of the rnc criteria. today new pulse from foxbusiness layout where the gop race for the white house answered two key states. let's get straight to it. first iowa, the first in the nation caucuses in a survey of iowa republicans, former president trump leads by 30 points. says likely caucus powers going by 16% salkind center tim scott at 11%. and in south carolina and the former president leads by more than 30 points with the states

former governor at 14%, nikki haley. governor desantis at 13% the states current senator tim scott at 10%. course a lot can happen between now and the debates. certainly between now the first primary contest of 2024 but we are tracking every detail for you prejudging us now is one of the contenders republican presidential candidate vivek ramaswamy. vivek loo welcome back to "fox s sunday." because it is good to be on, shannon. also these polls got iowa. you are in fourth place there'd trailing the present by four hundred and 40 points, the former president. kind former president trump and still in single digits but let's move to iowa there you are in sixth place 45 points behind president trump, single dish. rival campaign say these early states show you cannot really take off it appeared that you are not connecting with people. one of the rival campaigns gives this quote vivek is like the beta cycle by you at a restaurant for they make noise, look exciting, the fun place but if you order it's too much and

too annoying to assemble you wish you would have just order tacos. the articles going to quote another rival campaign saying give barely raised any money outside of what you have given to yourself. they do not think you have a long-term play, do you? >> absolutely, shannon. we are on the rise doing the selection. i'm the one a candidate in this race is actually leading us to something. to our vision of what it means to be an american. that is a resident of photos across the country. i began and march of 0.0% in the polls. look at the national polling average now i'm consistently pulling at third nationally. that is ahead of even the first debate when many people in this country have not yet gotten to know who i am. so i think we are on the same trajectory or ahead of where donald trump was in 2015. i am nationally pulling against ahead of a former vice president and numerous governors and u.s. senators. i think we are just getting warmed up as a grassroots across

this country are absolutely responding to our message. and on the fund raising side, shannon, i will tell you this. i thing that's different about me as i'm not a super pac puppet. you are right a lot of the other candidates have advertisements ready across tv ended by their super pacs. what is lifting us up as a small dollar donors we are approaching 70000 unique small dollar donors that have lifted this campaign up. in addition to the largest sizable personal investments i have made. my whole point is we do not want a super pack puppet. one independent voice in a patriot who actually speaks the truth for that is what t i bring to the race. shannon: let's talk about president trump or there's been a lot of criticism you are not taking direct shots at him. you're not actually running against him. you have talked about that you think you possibly pardon him should you become president. he is potentially facing another round of federal charges in connection with generally sixth. here are some of what you said just a week after that actually happened in real time what your tweaks said what trump did last week was wrong, down right

abhorrent to plain and simple. you referred to the disgraceful capitol riot and trumps egregious behavior but one of your book she went on to say he lost, then wrongfully claimed he did not lose the election it was stolen. and then raise millions of dollars off of his supporters. so why are you and the other candidate so quick to defend him? are you worried about the punch becky would take for him if you're critical of that behavior now? look to the contrary, shannon. i've been consistent all along. i would have made different judgments then a donald trump made. that is why i am running in this race for the presidency. the same race that he is in. because i would have made different and i believe better judgments for the country. but that judgment is not the same thing as a crime. will we conflate the two, that sets a dangerous precedent for this country. i do not want to see us become some banana republic with a party in power uses police force to arrest its political opponents. now that i'm third in the

national polls, they would beat much easier for me too win this election if trump were not the front runner. if trump were eliminated by the federal administrative police state. but that's not the right thing for the country. to my critics they are right about one thing, i am not writing against anyone in this race. i'm not running against my fellow gop primary contenders. i am not strictly running against biden. i am running for this country by that is something we have long missed in our conservative movement. too long we have been running from something. i am leading us to something, to our vision of what it means to be american and that will be successful. shannon: the reality of a primate you have to convince people to pick you over these other candidates. so we will see i don't feeling confident about making the debate stage but that is where some of these desk outs are going to have to happen is you guys try to differentiate from each other. want to talk about o foreign policy you've made a lot of headlines their platelets are at china but here's what former president trump said about president xi just days ago.

>> i think of a president sheet central casting you don't to say say isa brilliant everybody sayt the terrible. he rents 1.4 million people with that i invest. smart, brilliance, everything perfect there's nobody in hollywood like the sky. shannon: you talk about the enormous that you think china is coupled with russia. but that description of him as a brilliant and iron fist this is a man most of the world considers a dictator. how would you describe president xi like president trump does? >> xi jinping is a dictator and china is the top threat. that the united states a face as i am the clearest candidate and offering a clear path to declaring economic independence from china. that is the first step in our policies. at that had been a russian spy balloon flying over half of this country we would have shot it down immediately and a ratcheted up sanctions. the reason we did not do it for the chinese spy balloon is that fundamentally we are afraid of our own economic dependence on them.

i've offered a clear plant out reentered trade in the pacific that's different than trump strategy. that would put me in a position to lead our declaration of independence from china. i have also said i would end the ukraine war on terms that require putin to exit his military alliance with xi jinping. that russia/china reliance is a military threat i've offered a clear path of how to pull them apart for you are right to have qualified for the debate stage this is one of the areas where i am different from it every one of the other candidate in the field. it is good for us to have this debate about national security. this is what affects american interests. china is the top threat and i see my foreign policy through that lens. shannon: you meant and the interaction between china and ty have a note limits for interview learned that is potentially devastating to the rest of the world. you mentioned your plan for ukraine here's how the "washington post" describes it. russia would have to agree to end its military alliance, withdraw of nuclear weapons from

surrounding areas rejoin the nonproliferation start exchange the agreement would see most of the region and eastern ukraine to russia it would end any efforts to have ukraine join nato. first of all it is not our atlanta giveaway that is something they would have to negotiate. but why reward the murderous behavior of vladimir putin by giving him what he wants on a couple of fronts the land that is not rightfully his in keeping ukraine out of nato which is one of the things he was most objecting to and said that was one of the reasons behind this completely illegitimate landgrab. >> shanna come with due respect nato was heard to deter the ussr. the ussr does not exist anymore. yet nato has expanded more after the fall of the ussr than it ever did during the ussr existence. i think we have to ask the question of what advances american interest? to me the top american interests is a pulling apart the russia china alliance. that ends the ukraine war.

that stops us from having to find hundreds of billions of dollars to protect someone else's border we could be using to protect our own border. and more importantly this is also how we deter xi jinping from going after taiwan. xi jinping's bet is the u.s. will not want to go to war with two allied nuclear superpowers russia and china at the same time. but if russia is no longer in xi jinping's camp in china will have to think twice before going after taiwan. that is how we deter the invasion of taiwan while avoiding going to war. i hope it comes as both goals. shannon: if president xi sees he took land and the west agreed to give them chunks of land there not his how does that deter president sheet from not going after taiwan? what does the word differ from a consensus about the republican party and the biting administration. xi jinping does not reason based on an analogy. he reasons based on hard power.

a note which has the largest nuclear stockpile in the world but i worry we're going closer to nuclear war with russia. they also have cyber hypersonic missile ahead of the u.s. but combined with china's naval capacity, more naval ships in the u.s. in addition to our economic independence on china, that puts a china and a strong position. however if russia is no longer allied with china, that actually weakens it xi jinping's position. that is how we both end the ukraine war and address the taiwan situation while avoiding war in one fell swoop. it is shocking to me, shannon, that nobody in either political party is talking about it. which gives me greater confidence in my have a deep understanding of the geopolitics here. this gives me a greater conviction it will take it outsidoutsider to get that deale and to effectively negotiate a deal. yes, in a good deal everyone has to get something out of the trade. putin will get something out of it but america will get far more in return. that is how we secure our

national security interests. shannon: me quickly before you go up my favorite topic which is the supreme court. you have released another page at a president trump's a book apart a list of supreme court nominees and federal court judges. it's not just the supreme court but lower level as well. new york magazine intelligence describe this if you're a lower court judge who got notice for attention grabbing extremist rulings on hot button issues, even if they were overturned on appeal, you got a good shot at appearing on vivek ramaswamy's list. you know how these battles have gotten. what you make of the assessment of your nominees? >> the assessment from the new york time or at new york magazine as part of the appropriate assessment if we are picking the right judges as i believe we have it but i think the supreme court has done an outstanding job over the past two years i do think that was president trump's great accomplishments. what i have done, one of my top objectives, shanna, is to restore the integrity of our constitutional republic with three coequal branches of

government. i am going in as u.s. president to shut down the deep state, the administrative state. and so what we have done here with these judges is found judges who share my originalist understanding of the constitution. who share my views on the unconstitutionality of the deep state, the administrative state. but who at the same type understand the unique threats to liberty and the 21st century. so i've led the way in this race already. the only candidate who has identified specific judges both for appellate courts as well as the supreme courts. i think that is what's driving our recent surge in polling across the country, shannon. it is the specifics that i am offering. not just on policy but increasingly on personal as well be that transparency is quite helpless. shannon: alright vivek we will see you on the campaign trail thanks for stopping end. >> thank you. shannon: and fox news is your place for the first republic and primary debate just weeks from now in milwaukee. bret baier and martha mccallum will moderate candidates take the stage 9:00 p.m. eastern.

cap next presidential erect election former president potentially facing a brand-new round of criminal charges. allegations of corruptions within the current president's family but whistleblowers and fbi documents go public part our legal panel with in-depth analysis, next.

that is one thing that sets us apart from a civil case. in this case we provided a ton of evidence that showed

willfulness. shannon: is joseph zigler notice was a blur x giving his tight of the story to me friday on special report. he is one of the irs agents alleging irregularities in the investigation into hundred bidens taxes present outward legal panel, george washington university law professor jonathan turley and thomas depree deputy assistant attorney general. so glad as i said during the commercial i could spend an hour with you guy there so much legal news out there. let's start here with what mr. zigler told me there. tom, i want to ask you there's a point at which he had a conversation with not only the investigating agent site but also the attorneys and the prosecutors that were involved. he thought there was some understanding of multiple felony and misdemeanor charges they were going to move forward on. and then the whole thing fell apart in the plea deal. what do you make of this? >> yes, shannon, the testimony wasn't mesmerizing. it was a riveting and really a bombshell frankly by the fact you have a career employee who we does clearly not a republican

partisan it's evident he was very unhappy and uncomfortable having to go testify bring the story he told was compelling. he felt he was handcuffed and we just heard it now talk about how he felt the agents, the lion agency career employees of the irs had assembled and of evidence of willfulness that would've supported stronger charges. but for whatever reason it appears it may have been political interference from political appointees within the biden administration, shut the whole thing down. and we have a situation where the career public servants are saying we think we had enough evidence to move forward o a muh more substantial criminal charges. he got quashed by the public appointees it is disturbing frankly. shannon: we hav have u.s. attory david weiss who maintains he had the authority to do what he wanted for the attorney general america garlands at the same part of our national review the editors there, include our buddy andy mccarthy. they've got skepticism for this is what they say garland has insisted for years that weiss had ultimate authority over whether and where to file charges. weiss initially backed the story publicly he has subtly changed

his tune since the whistleblower disclosures began. realizing how credible and corroborated the agents are. weiss has trained to avoid contradicting them while echoing garden and needle that cannot be threaded. so jonathan, of all the things we have heard can they work together? and they all be true? if not who has the answers? >> no, they can all be true but that is what we are beginning to see here. particularly after this hearing. what was particularly disturbing is that it turns out people inside of the justice department or raising what some of us were raising outside the justice department. is it a statute of limitations about to run? why aren't you doing anything on these crimes from like 2014, 2015. the whistleblowers said we raised the same issue. in fact there was a deal on the table that would extend the statute of limitations and weiss allowed it to run. the question is why?

why would he tell these whistleblowers he did not have this authority? why, when prosecutors sign off on multiple felonies that somehow mysteriously died? all of those are very serious questions. and why this scandal is becoming one of the most significant of my lifetime. if half of this is true, we are dealing with a major scandal in the united states. shannon: one of the things talked about and gary shapley lays this out in the time i he was the first went to go public of this particular case. he said when it came to the hunter biden laptop which figured prominently in the weeks leading up to the 2020 election the fbi knew long before it was legitimate this week the house judiciary committee talked to an fbi official, date released a bit of a transcript of their conversation with her just on monday. it said this, they interviewed this to herbert someone from twitter essentially asked whether the laptop was real, this is october 2020 meeting.

one of the puppy i focus on the call did confirm that yes it was before another participant jumped in and said no further comment. that seems to line up with what shapley has been telling us. he estimates that could have known as early as november or december of 2019 this was legitimate. and tom, what we are being told is this is disinformation with the former intel sign onto this classic russian disinformation. it sounds like according to these whistleblowers the fbi knew it was real. >> absolutely. that is what this evidence establishes. people at the fbi knew exactly what they had in their possession. and yet they did not to publicly disclose it. they did not to publicly acknowledge it. they did not want the american people know this was all true, verified and legitimate system before the election. the other thing that is shocking to me is keep in mind this investigation spanned years, far longer than any normal tax investigation would. it ends with a whimper not a bank and people are now looking

back at the evidence the fbi had in his possession years before, all raising these questions fort why weren't charges brought sooner? why weren't more serious charges brought? most important wiles of the fbi more forthcoming with evidence it had in its position and knew to be true, valid and legitimate? it's one of the questions comes with the 1023 forms have aggressively released, the fbi was i happy about that they actually could create danger and safety it is the key informant. the confidential source that can forward. it alleges a number of conversations with the burisma executives out of ukraine sang allegedly they were forced to pay the bidens a certain amount of money for help with various issues. these are unverified allegations but we have seen people in washington the steele dossier comes might run with allegations and not launching investigations this 1023 form, former attorney general bartoli on the show a few weeks ago it was sent to delaware to the weiss investigation that was already opened. so i asked the latest whistleblower if he ever saw

that form as part of his investigation as the irs agent on this case. here's what he told me. >> i had never seen that document before. so i had never seen that 1023. the reason why the 1023 might have been important is that can further validate some other evidence that we are trying to prove in the case. that is why all information is necessary, especially for the lead irs case eight. shannon: and jonathan, can you assess why that did not land in his desk during this investigation took five years? what snow for they also testified they were denied. and bill barth said that he sent to this issue originally to pittsburgh. the u.s. attorney's office rather than the fbi found additional information the fbi did not. then they sent it to delaware. it is increasingly seems like the fbi is a place where

evidence goes to die. you send evidence to the fbi. if it has the name biden on it it dies a very rapid death. and so we have no idea why this is not shared. the key about the 1023 as it mirrors perfectly with the house committees have found. it describes how the bidens prefer to use a labyrinth of accounts and banks to hide payments that no payments would go to what refers to as the big guy, our firm we have seen on the laptop. and that this was all an effort to conceal these transactions are. that's exactly what the committees have found in looking at the transactions from these banks. so, there is no reason why this twould be mis- held. it had independent information they had access too. shannon: the fbi's out the form really sits on verified it doesn't prove any direct link to the president himself. it is a bit of a partisan witch hunt. that is their take. we want to make sure all sites are heard here so concerns about

the docket being out there. we found out this week president trump's a child the federal trial on the documents cases would be set for may 20, 2024. tom, you guys know better than most, all the pretrial that things will have to happen do you think we get that trial in may? >> i was its 50/50 at this point, shannon paid the judge struck a compromise position but everyone thought she was a republican partisan and she was in trumps camp and that sort of thing. i think the decision she came out was struck a middle ground by 70 trial date in may prints out the trump team when it was also not the special counsel wanted. the thing that's going to happen over the next few months as a truck team is going to defend this case aggressively for the country but the knock out the indictment on various grounds ranging from prosecutorial misconduct, to the authority of the special counsel to bring the prosecution in first place. the judge is going to have a lot on heour hands for the lawyers e going to have to go through thousands of documents to present a defense for its ambitious disabled anime. what would not rule it out but

there's a lot of ground that's going to have to be covered between now and then print it would not surprise me the trial date gets pushed back further. shannon: multiple cases of state and federal theories and see if there's another round in the weeks ahead. thomas depree, jonathan turley thank you very much. up next 'bidenomics' boom or bust rate might depend on your perspective bring the big push on the economic agenda how does that line up with your daily reality? we'll talk with the president's top economic divide advisor. he is next

shannon: president biden centric's reelection campaign on an effort to promote economic record. what are americans buying a question of joining us is a chair to deceive. and his senate commission which is not easy to get done for. >> mind monmouth university polling three in 10 americans feel the country is doing a better job economically than the rest of the world since the pandemic. fox news and polling what people are asked how are the president's policies affecting your family question at 31 per say not doing anything. 48% say they are actively hurting american families. so, what is your message to them? is there experience that legitimate or val valid cluster. >> would certainly do not ask

western there experience the best arbiters of what they're doing. have to understand what folks have gone through but what american households of gone through over the past couple of years. once an eight century pandemic. putin invasion of the sovereign nation all on the way to consumer confident and sediment. at the same time this president has kept his head down and tried to make sure the families and businesses got to the other side of this crises in tact and good economic health. that is exactly what happened. we have it on employment rates below 4% for over a year end a half. that's a 50 year record for over 13 million since the president got here, 800,000 in manufacturing. an inflation down two thirds inflation had been two thirds higher than it is today. gas price down a buck 50. so, it takes a while for these sentiments to reach folks. but now with fighting onyx in

action and so in some of our investments playing out, the 5000 investments in 4500 communities across this country, we are starting to see some results. the conference posted its highest consumer confidence reading since january of 2022. sentiment have hosted at the highest reading sets 2021. more work to do there. we think as these trends continue the favorable trends continue and biden onyx continues to take hold, these measures will improve. shannon: is a lot to break down there for the sake of the president took office inflation was at 1.4%. it has skyrocketed to nine. yes, positive or moving in the right direction paid for most people it is still 3% is well above where we were when he got started. prices are still up for all kinds of things. wages have been outpaced by inflation 27 out of 38 months. that feat through whatever savings they had during the pandemic. here's reality for some folks.

for basic things like groceries, here's a report from the "washington post" t agree with inflation still elevated consumer debt at record highs, industry experts expect more americans will lean on these kinds of services. buy now pay later to afford necessities like food and school supplies. what does that say about the actual health of our economy if people are essentially using layaway plans for things like eggs and milk a cluster. >> the health of our economy of the unemployment rate as low as it has been or gdp has been pretty strong and has been outpacing expectations month after month, quarter after quarter. a couple of facts we have somewhat differently light up here. real wages have actually been growing over the past year. they are up to one point to percent for all private sector workers and they are up 1.6% for middle and lower wage workers. that means the bargaining power, the tight job market and some of the pieces of 'bidenomics' are helping to sustain that great

job market is getting more bargaining power this is a pillar of 'bidenomics' empowering the workforce inflation has come down a lot faster than wage growth but we have in this is contrary to one of the things you just said. we now have wages growing faster than inflation. that is a welcome change. shannon: at 27 out of 30 months i was not true that's a lot of catching up for people. >> it is relatively new and it is exact to the point i made right out of the gate here. it takes a while for people sentiment to catch up to those new trends but especially giving everything they've been through. we have every reason to believe the trends will continue and we seen prices come down or gas, for food, for eggs for beef and chicken. here's a good way to think of it but we have rising wages and falling prices a year ago if you pulled up to the pump, you can get five and half gallons of gas for an hour of work for a minute wage worker. look at the pump it takes an hour of work to get five and half gallons. now you get 8 gallons for the

hour of work. that's 40 plus% improvement. shannon: software restarted when he took office is chosen third incense account and out $3.69 since a gallon but we are still in less than two years and worse place. >> yes. it depends on what your benchmark is. so, if we were talking about a year ago or at its peak we had a barrel of oil of 120 a barrel. it is now i think 77 a barrel. we had gas north of $5.52 a gallon. now it's about $3.60 a gallon part we are moving in the right direction. i think that is the key thing with all of the stresses that american households have had to deal with the key factor behind 'bidenomics' is not only are removing at the right direction, we are doing it with a real speed while maintaining a tight labor market. as you know i've been in economist in this town for a bunch of years. i have never seen an economy where you get six points off of inflation, two thirds down

without giving up virtually anything on the n appointment rate. as you well know typically when inflation comes down that far, we expect to see worse results in the job market this is a real achievement of a president biden and 'bidenomics'. shannon: what the fed has done has had great impact but painful in a lot of areas with think about housing, mortgage rates hover and run 7% the hill says this, high home prices and climate mortgage rates continue to hamper affordability perspective buyers monthly payments to the highest level on record. so if you're trying to buy a new home if you're trying to find a reasonable rental it's a really tough time to do that. for most people that there biggest single expenditure in their budget. it's got significantly worse on this presidents watch. >> waited second in terms of rents we've seen rental prices do a round trip in terms of inflation there up in double digits again about a year a little bit more than a year ago for their backed out pretty close to where they were pre-pandemic. that is where the main reasons you said it yourself, housing is one of the main components of

the consumer price index for the consumer price index is down two thirds from its peak that means we must be making progress on housing. and in fact we are at something we track very closely at the cea. but look, you have a point the president very much stands by which as we have to do a lot more in this country to expand the supply of affordable housing. and, if you look at our budget we put serious resources into that. i just want to bring two things your attention especially with that congress over that we really need them to help us with this. what is to really push back hard on exclusionary and restrictive zoning. that is public enemy number one when it comes to improving the supply of affordable housing for its acute value of this president and vice president. it's very important equity implications. shannon: your time of building more multiunit piglets also single family pushing back on exclusionary zoning we have ambitious plans basically we are saying if you want a grant or a loan from the u.s. government to

do things in the transportation space show us your plan for reducing exclusionary zoning we will upgrade your bid. second, low income housing tax credit for the present has a real expansion of that in the budget. that is something builders like is something the financial sector likes because the builders can sell their tax credits to the bank it is something housing advocates like. congress needs to get off whatever it is they're not focusing right now get off and look at these housing issues. try to help us was of the progress we have been making on inflation. shannon: let's talk about other folks who are worried were not moving in the right direction. these are ceos. they are not convinced we have avoided a recession but here's what cnbc says, if you heard there's a six and it had a chance your house let you at least are packing up the basement, right question if that's a corporate ceos are doing. some 93% of the report they are preparing for a recession over the next 12 -- 18 months. so if these business executives are worried, why shouldn't the rest of us as americans be? what can i do not member time on upset don't you have one of these really great in-depth

discussions about the economy you have not raised recession. in fact we have not had a recession and again these statistics continue to come in above expectations. now of course we have to look around corners that is my job. but if you look at the factors that actually lead to recession they tend to be a job market that is deteriorating, income is deteriorating something you said a minute ago i meant to point out i think we see differently in the numbers is that household balance sheets have actually been an uniquely good shape. part of this facet of the savings people built up over the pandemic picnics they are burning off no doubt about that. but they also have the tailwind over the strongest labor markets and generations behind them. that is helping to fuel consumer spending for you and i know consumer spending is two thirds of this economy. it's almost 70% per when you have a consumer with this labor market behind her, with the savings is still in the bank we will see where we are but we are

not in a recession now and i like the momentum we have. shannon: number shall americans continue to pile up credit card debt this from cbs news etching close to $1 trillion as a credit cards and a feeling that probably have. records oh 1.5 trillion in auto loans, student debt, 12 joint and home loans for accounting a household that's americans owe a record $17 trillion we can be spending but if a lot of that is people wiped out their savings and spending debt are they just following washington's example? what's the best way to understand that is what kind of stresses that an household income? what you really want to look at is that service for that service relative to people's income. if you look at that and i will post this on my twitter feed later so people can see it. shannon: i probably appear quick thank you. you will see it's at historically low level of one of the reasons is again because people's balance sheets really did great in the pandemic some of that was because they were saved and they could not go out and interact within person services some of that was because of the support the american rescue plan gave them.

look, when this president came to office is main goal was to get families and businesses to the other side of that crisis and to set them up for a strong recovery, check that's been done we see it in action. the second part of that plan is to make the investments of 'bidenomics' reduce decades of trickle-down investment reinvest in america so that growth momentum can keep going. ev's, semi conductors, battery technology, we are seeing these investments really flourish across the country. i like where we are. i like the momentum we have and 'bidenomics' is going to keep these trends going in right direction. shannon: i hope for the sake of america that you are right street we know you have a difficult job that we are glad to stop by to talk about it. >> always a pleasure. shannon: cap next it florida state is on teaching black history sparking a fight between governor desantis and vice president harris for our sunday panel on the curriculum controversy, next.

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middle school students imported to be told enslaved people benefited from slavery. how is it that anyone could suggest that in the midst of these atrocities, that there was any a benefit to being subjected to this level of dehumanization? shannon: vice president kamala harris taking on the desantis had menstruation in florida on friday of the state's new standards for teaching black history. it is time now for the setting centergroup usa today white houe correspondent francesca chambers. one williams senior political

analysis, guy benson hosted the convention show on fox news radio and katie pavlich of townhall.com part welcome everyone i want to go and read from the actual text of what we are talking about before we get into it. i've read to the social studies curriculum there are dozens and dozens of things they want students to learn for this is part of the persian exam the rights duties and trades performed by slaves for example agricultural, painting, domestic service, blacksmithing, transportation, instruction includes how waves developed skills which could in some instances be applied for the personal benefit. guy, i know you have strong opinions on this those words of personal benefit have struck a nerve. >> yes i think the vice president is being either woefully ignorant or woefully dishonest on this issue but she is demagogue going what the state of florida has done for this a group of scholars that put together this curriculum but many of them black scholars. there is a rigorous massive amount of information students and that state must be taught on these issues.

this one piece of it is a very small piece. for example businesses in encyclopedia published by oxford inclement universities has exactly the same thing a system of apprenticeship emergent for the devout the skills of insulin people. in some cases they could benefit for the site they're able to tho purchase their freedom for they were go escape to the north and earn a living. they are well respected scholars who put together this curriculum. to focus in on it like florida is going in teaching kids that slavery was a jobs program that benefited the slaves is a gross mischaracterization of what actually happened here. i would commend charles cook's piece at national review which is quite thorough on this. shannon: two of the members of the working group both themselves african-american doctor william b allen and frances presley rice they issued the statement after the attacks on the curriculum for they say any attempt to reduce slaves to just victims of oppression fails to wrec record as her strength, courage, resiliency during a difficult time in american history. florida students deserve to learn how slaves took advantage of whatever circumstances to

benefit themselves i and the community of african descendents. one, your take on this controversy? what's it sound like booker t. washington if you go back in history uplifts self-help of the black community but is a deep tradition. but, what we are seeing here really is an attempt to distort reality. that's like saying juice picked up some skills in concentration camps or engineers learned a lot when those planes crashed into the world trade center braid thbreadthat is not the story pee story it slavery. i don't think there is anybody in this world is going to tell you oh yes, i go into slavery so i could pick up a few skills about chopping wood or whatever it is absurd. this week there have been so many racial controversies surrounding republicans. the redistricting in alabama they refused despite supreme court order, create a majority of black second district in alabama. you have to situation that we have seen in texas as well. and then you think about the

jason aldean controversy of country music may give video in front of a courthouse in columbia, tennessee were lynchings occurred were near the ku klux klan started it's not about race for this is a problem for the republican party but desantis is playing culture wars with this and a damaging divisive way. shannon: encourage people to look online to see the full context of all that is included in these lessons. the first thing it says about slavery is the instruction will include what life is really like for the earliest slaves. there's a lot there to unpack katy. let's start with this curriculum and then we can talk but the video too. >> look, the curriculum is 216 pages long. there is one reference to skilled the velvety by the ministration has gone on to use as a political talking point against ron desantis because they see him as a threat when it comes at 2024 election buried the curriculum talks about horrific conditions in the british american plantations

caribbean plantation they talk about extensively the south preventing slaves from reaching the underground railroad. it's not the whole story. it is the majority of this is exactly about slavery. and for them to use this one a reference without actually going through the curriculum at does a disservice. everyone if you read through this would be interested in learning more about what they are talking about here in the history that has embodied this curriculum for they are taking out a single sentence out of 216 pages at using it for cynical divisive political purposes which is not beneficial to anyone not to mention the country. shannon: francesca i can hear the frustration and pain of one's voice when you couple with these other things and to jason aldean for discounting company pick the location he did not of history at all. apparently filled christmas movies that i do not know. obviously there's a sense of frustration. >> the white house you on this vice president harris was per se incensed by it she had been another speaking engagement bridget heard about the curriculum one is good down to florida to talk about this

directly. pair this with the other things you for the vice president talk about whether it is things will not afford of education, this is something you can expect her to continue to focus on. the white house is almost run a two prong front you have the present focus on economics and 'bidenomics' as jared bernstein was focusing on this very program they have the vice president of united state's focus on this stuff but she has been focused on abortion rights for the white house fighting them both on the economic front. also against what they view as the republican culture wars as they look towards 2024. shannon: i want to talk about more opposed brown out of south carolina and iowa. take a look your president trump coolie still running away with it, plus 30 points plus more than 30 points in south carolina first in iowa. but it's interesting to look at who is the second choice? when people asked in island south carolina for their second choice would be among trump supporters ron desantis is far and away the highest second choice for the second choice among distinctive supporters far away donald trump. with all the same thing in south

carolina, francesco turned around with you on this. there's a lot of crossover between those two estimate is the president likes to go after ron desantis and he started to take his swipes as well but they seem to be pulling from the same pool of voters. >> you are going to see a lot of republicans, defend this upcoming weekend on iowa there's a big dinner there this weekend on the have an opportunity to make their case other interestingly chris christie not listed as one of the republicans who supposed be speaking at the dinner this weekend. as you can see in the polling, there's a lot of work for several of these candidates to do. when you are looking at ron desantis and in particular looking at iowa at 16%. that is far behind donald trump at 46%. that is a state that donald trump lost last time. you heard vivek ramaswamy talk about 2016 when donald trump was at the site if this is not 2016 these candids are going to have to start coming up with a strategy of how they're going to beat donald trump in the early states. shannon: ami skip ahead to

something have from the des moin"desmoines register".ron deo this point not spending enough time there. they say i will republican safe desantis once again momentum he needs to follow the traditional iowa caucus playbook and start hitting the campaign trail in earnest. not just high-profile events but smaller meet and greets where he can talk to islands one on one and katy now are getting word from his campaign that is exactly what is going to start doing. the pack that is aligned with him is going on a bus tour is going to spend a lot more time on the ground. part of the reset we are told of the campaign for quick to talk to desantis campaign yesterday said meaner, leaner campaign they believe the stories about the campaign getting reshuffled i thought it existential threat that's what campaigns have to do that which hit him into more media interviews to get his name out there. he did wellin interview with cnn for their trying to get him out there more but this is really a race for second place for donald donald trump is still beating everybody by 30%. donors have desperately been trying to find a candidate who they believe can convince trump voters to come over to run

desantis. tim scott, vivek ramaswamy, even nikki haley but that's just not happening the numbers game of how many people are still in this race is completely splintered. until it's either one on one race or one on to race things are not going to change for the republican primate the basis still donald trump. shannon: i would take tim scott has impressively continued to take up i think he is third now and iowa and our appointment just came up this morning. also a pack aligned with a 40 million-dollar ad bite which would be a huge headline but there have been a lot of big headlines this week many of them have involved former president trump. but tim scott seems to be quietly sneaking up on people progress nikki haley is in second place by a point in this poll in south carolina. the big headline of courses donald trump is still an absolute dominant position. if someone is going to sneak up on him and have a chance of beating him enough to consolidate the non- trout people and went over some the trump supporters. right now whether desantis or anyone else that is not

happening anywhere close to the extent it would need to to give someone a shot. shannon: a word to you, juan. >> the big news out of the post ron desantis is not caught fire. he doesn't seem to have it. he does not seem to have fun or inspire fun and comity and laughter. no charisma on that trail print going in, even in new hampshire he used to be in the leader think all of us might forget at one point he was in the lead and now he is down in iowa. even sharp might slip at the indictments in controversy, it is still the case that ron desantis the republican establishment wanted him to succeed for the money is there. he just is not caught fire. shannon: is another poll in new hampshire tightening limit president trump down five-point since april there. but we love all the early polls we love breaking them down with you panel. thank you very much. i'll see you next sunday for a cap next nba player is no stranger to making headlines launches a new venture but a preview of our conversation on his controversial positions of

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