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just say something, you say you frame some brand of something, but let me answer your question very forthful and truthful on this. i have nothing to do about -- this is about america and i raise to you, i watch you on tv you write every day about covering government. so right now you have a president who told you and every other american that he's never talked to his family about business and they never got $1 from china. you now know that's not true. you have a president while he was vice president that got 16 out of 17 payments from romania while he was president. you now had never known that before he was elected but you now have a document that the fbi had that didn't further investigate, even though the justice department said there was merit, that said they were bribed and told they had to run through shell companies, you never knew about but now you know there are shell companies
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and what they made this claim to be you find that the form of which to pay it is actually what came through. you now have irs whistleblowers who are not republican, philosophically, who now say they were denied the ability to do their job and in trying to do their job in the investigation of the biden family they were denied the 1023, even in meetings where david weiss has said one thing to them and different to the american public, different than the attorney general had promised the attorney public, he said that they should be prosecuted but now we have found out that the department actually called the biden family attorneys, told them ahead of time where documents were, treated other people in politics differently, even went to the inaugural committee. why would they give a head's up to the inaugural committee. why would they be denied the ability -- they believe the
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investigation was hampered using political purposes to treat them differently. now, as an elected official having all this information should i ignore it? no. congress has a responsibility for investigation wing. all i'm saying is and i'm sure you would ask the same question, where is the truth. you have to get to the bottom of the truth and the only way congress can do that is go to impeachment inquiry that gives republicans and democrats the ability to get all the information. i got to open the floor, i'm sure we are going to be able to -- [indiscernible] >> sandra: all right, so that was kevin mccarthy stopping talking to reporters, taking some questions and addressing what he says is the need for truth when it comes to the president and his son and those business dealings in what the president knew and how much he
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was involved. >> john: doesn't sound like he's ready to pull the trigger just yet but the idea he is now openingly talking and frequently talking about the idea of an impeachment inquiry definitely takes this up a level. bill mcgurn quoted hemingway in a column with all of these developments in the investigation saying it began gradually, now suddenly, i mean, it does appear like a dam is bursting here. >> sandra: we'll talk to bill in just a second. >> john: chad pergram is live on capitol hill, do we think the speaker may pull the trigger on an impeachment inquiry? >> whether the speaker speaks it carries a certain weight. he cracked it last week with merrick garland and now the president himself. >> rising to the level of
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impeachment inquiry, provides congress the strongest power to get the rest of the knowledge and information needed. because this president has also used something we have not seen since richard nixon. >> any impeachment will be about the math. it's unclear the house has the votes to impeach but the speaker is speaking a different language about impeachment. >> when he does speak to those, speak to impeachment it carries a tremendous amount of weight evidenced by the fact you are asking about that. i don't think there is question that him speaking to that has caused a paradigm shift. >> republicans have a host of biden officials they would like to impeach. ralph norman said all of them. and another call mayorkas low hanging fruit. they say it's natural mccarthy is now talking impeachment. >> then when they realize the dam is breaking, the train is leaving the station they want to
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be the conductor, too. so they are the ones on the forefront of it if they know the membership demands it. >> james comer notes that even if the house impeaches the president or someone else, the senate lacks the votes to convict. john. >> john: all right, chad pergram with the very latest on the play-by-play on capitol hill. chad, thank you. sandra. >> sandra: as promised, bill mcgurn joining us now, wall street journal columnist and fox news contributor. what do we need to know right now, bill. you heard kevin mccarthy speaking live on capitol hill and asked the question, are we rising to a level of impeachment inquiry at this point. are we there? >> look, what we need to know is the truth, and we don't have it yet. we have lots of conflicting statements from principal players like merrick garland, and the president himself, david
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weiss. for years he insisted he does not know anything about hunter's business dealings, never discussed it with him. apparently he's the only man in america who didn't know what hunter was doing and that seemed to change. karine jean-pierre said the president maintains his position he was never in business with hunter. but as speaker mccarthy noted, what the president said we now know is not true and the question is, you know, one side, the democrats don't seem interested in getting at the truth. and the hearings with the irs agents was very telling. the democrats did not choose to challenge the facts they brought forward. they chose to deliver speeches on trump, race relations, emmett till, all things this were not an issue. i think they know they have a weak case. >> sandra: very interesting, james comer on biden's direct
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involvement he said in hunter biden's business dealings. listen. >> we know of several instances where joe biden was in fact in direct communication with some of these business associates, i guess you could call them, i call them people who are foreign nationals sending money through shell companies to the biden family. but at any rate, joe biden was involved in hunter's business schemes than he has ever admitted. >> sandra: this is a democrat from pennsylvania saying no evidence of biden's wrongdoing. >> what is so dangerous is the willingness of mr. jordan and others on the republican side peddle in lies. no evidence of wrongdoing and mr. mccarthy knows that. >> sandra: karine jean-pierre stands at the podium for the
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press briefing has over and over again for years now reiterated and saying what the president has said stands, i've never discussed with my son or my brother or with anyone else anything having to do with their business period. she's changed her tune and now says the president was never in business with his son. >> right. >> sandra: are they changing their tune? >> yeah, let me say the congresswoman, that's such a disingenuous statement, there's no evidence. the issue for the oversight committee, did anyone at the fbi and justice bother to try to investigate and verify whether a lot of these assertions were true or false. what do we think is the explanation for shell companies? or for hunter biden's threat to a chinese official? they don't want to know. the real issue that mr. comer and others are asking is did the
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government fairly investigate the case and reach reasonable conclusions. and right now we have basic disagreements and contradictions between the investigators and merrick garland and david weiss and the president himself. and democrats don't want answers, they don't want to look at the evidence, they don't want to find out whether it's true or false because i think they know it's true. >> sandra: you conclude your piece going well beyond what hunter biden did, it's whether the two powerful institutions that handle this investigation and came up with this sweetheart deal, you write, the fbi and the justice department, can be trusted and that is something that every american should be interested in getting to the bottom of, bill. >> yeah, exactly. people feel there's a different standard for people whose name is biden or clinton and everyone
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else. and it's only getting darker as we expose more and say one more thing, sandra. in the last two months with these hearings and release of the fbi 1023, the evidence or the allegations have become much more specific and more backed up by third party witnesses that have no axe to grind. that is to say if you say i had meeting with hunter and joe came by or called in, i was at the regis hotel or wherever, easier to check and verify and looks like no one is interested in checking. >> sandra: your piece, "hunter biden's bargain plea, does anyone believe joe biden never discussed his son's business," it's a read on the wall street journal and a question many want to get to the bottom of, and asking is anybody buying it as we get closer and closer to election day, it will be bigger
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and more in the forefront. bill, thank you very much. appreciate it. john. >> john: the desantis campaign making yet another reset. still looking for a spark. plus this. >> brought israel and palestinians together at a political level and -- at the -- and -- >> sandra: you remember us covering that moment, president biden's gaffes raising new concerns in even democratic circles. how will it affect him come election day. bret baier on both those political angles.
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still looking for its moment but the clock is ticking. the governor has pitched himself as the only viable alternative to former president trump but new polling suggests otherwise. special report anchor and executive editor bret baier will join us but first to mark meredith. the governor is on the road but not without some issues. what are we hearing? >> the governor is making multiple stops in tennessee but this morning got off to a rough start after the motorcade was involved in an accident. fox news, the governor and his entourage were a four vehicle motorcade, the first vehicle slammed on the brakes to avoid traffic in front, there was a collision but the governor is not hurt. and they say we appreciate the prayers and well wishes from the nation while on the campaign trail. we learned the governor is continuing to shake up campaign, cutting additional staff than we first thought. now 38 staffers leaving the
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campaign. desantis wants to make it clear his campaign will make the changes to boost some of the support. a new poll out showing desantis still trailing former president trump. trump at 54, desantis at 22. a national survey of republican voters. and one more republican has the support to qualify for the debate, doug burgum is the seventh candidate, so in addition to him, a number on the list. it's possible more people could qualify between now and the debate if the rnc setting the standard. former president trump continues to qualify but it's unclear if he's going to participate in the debate. sandra, later today he'll be near new orleans and also in pennsylvania for a rally. >> sandra: we'll see what comes from all that. thank you. john. >> john: bret baier, anchor and executive editor the special report.
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ron desantis let go more than three dozen staffers, it's a third of his campaign staff, some 38 jobs, including two senior officials. you know, when you take a look at governors and their history here, you know, the sense of being inevitable, jeb bush, pawlenty, could he be the latest in the group? >> he's trying not to be, but a big sign. a third of the campaign staff we have not even gotten to august as of yet. there were real concerns by big donors, we were told, of the spending, the burn rate, and they were spending a lot of money but not getting a lot of bang for their buck. he is trailing in every poll by 20, 30, sometimes 40 points, depending on the poll, depending on the state. and you just have not seen the traction for the guy that was supposed to be the guy. >> john: it was just wait until
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ron desantis gets in the race. trump will be in trouble. >> a change of policy clearly, a change of media strategy. we at "special report" have been trying to get an interview with governor desantis for months, and had asked repeatedly. we just got confirmation we will interview the governor in new hampshire monday. >> john: as long as he makes it that far in the campaign. this is an interesting timeline about the constant reboots here in the desantis campaign, or the repeated reboots. april, desantis super pac, debuts the very first television ad, may 24, the announcement. by july 6th, circulation of a confidential campaign memo. july 15th, fires a dozen staffers. july 24th, campaign is moving into leaner, meaner operation cutting costs. we now find out they are cutting 38 staffers. desantis says he's going to hold smaller scale events in earlier states and engage more with the mainstream media, dovetail into
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the idea you've got this interview with him coming up monday in new hampshire. but that's an awful lot of trouble for a campaign that's barely two months old. >> it is. remember, we have not made it to the first debate, august 23rd in milwaukee. >> john: he will qualify for. >> he will, and' he has talked about being on the stage. i think it's setting up to be who will be the person who goes against the former president. if you look at every poll, positioning, what has happened after every indictment, after every major legal maneuver, the former president's numbers have only gone up. so, there would have to be a major change for that to shift and i think that there is a fight to be the one person who will be the alternative. >> john: maybe you dilute the pool of remaining voters by having so many people in the race but if you are a candidate you have to be looking at this saying god, no matter what happens to donald trump he keeps getting stronger, maybe we should save our powder and come
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back in this in 2028. >> yeah, stronger in a gop primary. the question is whether he would be stronger in a general election with independents. >> john: video here of joe biden using the short steps on air force one to a much greater degree than he has in the past rather than climbing the big long staircase to go in the front door. then there was this, with isaac herzog in the oval office. >> well, mr. president, welcome back. welcome back could washington, welcome back to the white house, a pleasure to have you. we brought israelis and palestinians together at a political level and -- and -- at the -- >> john: sort of a mumble as he was reading off a card. any time the u.s. president appears in public it is supposed to project strength to the world. what we are seeing from biden, does that project strength in
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any way, shape or form? >> no, and there are increasing stories in outlets that are not critical usually of the president or his party. raising concerns, democratic circles about this, the shorter steps, the larger note cards in meetings where maybe he didn't have to have them before. there are diplomats now on background who are saying meetings have been much like that, in the oval office, and have not been productive. so you are seeing it more and more, the question is how this develops into a campaign, what this looks like, remember, obviously the last campaign was mid covid and there was not a lot of moving from, and did a lot of zoom interviews. we have again requested many interviews with the president, we have not gotten one. we hope to. but i would be interested to see if that campaign strategy changes, judging by all the stories we are seeing on this front. >> a new harvard harris poll shows 25% of democrats have concerns about his mental
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acuity, it's probably not going to get better as time wears on. we will see you tonight and look forward to the ron desantis interview. >> we'll be watching for that. >> sandra: organized retail crime, multi-billion dollars enterprise and now mexican cartels are only making this worse. we'll tell you how, plus this. >> tax the rich, tax the [bleep] rich. tax the rich, tax the rich. >> john: tax the rich but the billionaires and glue your hands to the pavement? those are just some of the recent pushes that we have seen from climate protestors as the rise in temperatures seem to be fueling a wave of unruly demonstrations. steve hilton has a few thoughts about all of this and he joins us coming up next. customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. you could save $700 dollars just by switching. ooooh, let me put a reminder on my phone.
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>> john: listen to this. mexican cartels are directing a massive enterprise of organized retail crime in america, bringing in $70 billion a year. now major retailers are partnering with the department of homeland security to combat the crisis. steve is live with more and steve, we have been led to believe that a lot of this retail crime was spontaneous or perpetrated by folks who were in need, but now we learn the cartels are behind it? >> that's right, john. law enforcement drawing a clear distinction between shoplifting and what they are now calling organized retail theft. first of all, it's massive as you know, $70 billion a year, and it's been going up by the double digit rate each year and second, it's highly sophisticated, very organized and now law enforcement is saying increasingly drug cartels are playing a role in that organization. >> groups are sophisticated criminal trans national
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organizations that profit from illegally obtaining goods that are later sold through e-commerce platforms. >> this kind of theft is changing the way a lot of stores do business. dollar tree has stopped selling men's underwear, ulta is putting perfume under lock and key and home depot is running steel cables through power tools. and sometimes employees get fired if they try to intervene, other times they are at risk of attack. and the internet, it's possible to move massive warehouses of goods and to do it anonymously. >> they found an opportunity, they found something that was very easy to do, and low risk. and so we have to make it higher risk, we have to make it lower reward and we have to make sure that they understand there are consequences. >> the first step in that, a lot of major retailers say, get rid of the anonymous sellers,
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especially the high volume sellers online. john, back to you. >> we saw that loss prevention officer in home depot in san francisco got shot by a person when they tried to intervene in a theft, and had the woman who worked for lowe's was fired after she tried to intervene and then retired because the company thought that she was just trying to do the right thing. but again, a lot of risk in trying to go after these folks, particularly if the cartels are behind it. steve -- >> and real growing anger about this issue as well. people are upset. >> john: oh, absolutely, you know. people save their money to buy these things and watch the cartels come in and rip the store off blind, it's crazy. great report, thank you. >> the fuse has been burning for decades, and now the climate change bomb has gone off. the earth is screaming at us, and that is the situation. >> sandra: washington governor sounding off about climate change and he's far from the
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only one speaking out as tensions over the rising temperatures are heating up. >> tax the rich, tax the mother [bleep] rich. tax the rich, tax the mother [bleep] rich. >> sandra: the scene recently in the hamptons as protestors shut down the airport there where visitors often travel in on their private jets. in germany, protestors with just stop oil glued their hands to an airport tarmac. firefighters had to cut out parts of the pavement just to get them released. and familiar face, greta thunberg carried away at an oil protest in sweden, says we cannot save the world by playing by the rules. steve hilton is a fox news contributor and joins us now. steve, i have a feeling we have some things here that might get you fired up. so you heard from jay, the earth is screaming at us, perhaps i should also put this on the
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screen before you get going, steve. this is vice president kamala harris on what she says is climate anxiety. she says these are scared to death about the climate crisis, they use the term climate anxiety, their fear to even think about having a family or buying a home because they don't know what the world will be look in the next 10, 15, 20 years. is this all too much, steve? >> telling me, i mean, honestly, the people screaming at us are these climate hysterics and zealots react to hot weather in the summer in the most extreme and juvenile way you can imagine to hype up this thing that people sometimes use the word it's like a religion. i think that's the wrong word. religion for most people is positive. this is really destructive. where it takes you is a whole series of self-inflicted wounds on our economy that actually hurt people. look, if i listen to jay, the whole interview, he's a nice
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guy, very sincere i'm sure but even if you take him at face value, buy everything he's taking saying about the climate crisis, what is the solution that he's proposing in that same interview. he's going on about electric vehicles, and batteries, does he realize what electric vehicles are powered by? electricity. and where does the electricity come from, here in california we have the biggest solar farm in the world, ok, more solar installed than any other state, and right now on a hot day in california the proportion of our electricity provided by solar and wind, i looked it up, 46%, ok. less than half. 42% from natural gas, 6% from nuclear. they want to eliminate natural gas and nuclear. they want to take away half and make us more dependent on electricity by electrifying everything. none of it adds up, it's a massive mistake, they keep talking about how we have to do this to lead, right. the answer is we have to lead,
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and that's how we are going to solve the problem and china and india will follow. no one is following because it's stupid. >> as i just mentioned, a few things, this is paul krug man making the case where we should politicize the weather. environmental extremism of the republican party more hostile than any other political party in the advance world, would in a more rational political debate be the biggest election issue of them all. i don't know, steve. i'll have you react to this and this tweet by hillary clinton blaming republicans for the hot weather. says hot enough for you, question mark? thank a maga republican or better yet, vote them out of office. >> it's just -- it's amazing, isn't it. talk -- we should say natural gaslighting. it is just amazing these people. they are completely consumed by
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this ideology, and bears no relation to reality and again, i'm for protecting the environment, most republicans, including the maga republicans, really care about nature and our environment. by the way, know a lot more about nature because they tend to live in some of the rural areas than any of these people do. we need sensible energy transition and that means understanding that nuclear power, for example, the most reliable form of carbon-free electricity generation has to be part of that. you know what's happening with nuclear power, regulators obsessed with all this climate zealotry, says the nuclear power, they also produce heat to heat a whole community. they are not being built in america because of the climate extremists, they are built in china because the zealots have taken over and common sense has gone out the window. >> sandra: i just got him all fired up and now say good-bye.
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steve hilton, great to have you on the program today. >> see you soon. >> john: the sports world praying for lebron james' son bronny after the 18-year-old went into cardiac arrest during a workout yesterday. >> sandra: he is in stable condition and sportscaster jim gray will be here with us on that next. >> 2,000 young athletes under the age of 25 die every year of sudden cardiac arrest. one out of 50,000 chance if you are a young athlete this could happen. veteran homeowners making a big car payment every month? car loans can be expensive and the payments high. consolidate that car loan into a newday home loan and save hundreds every month.
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giant has not turned over enough documents to shine a light on the company's censorship. hillary vaughn is reporting live on capitol hill. hillary, what are you learning? >> sandra, all a part of the house judiciary committee investigation into whether or not meta coordinated with the white house and the executive branch to censor people on their platform and by extension, violating the first amendment rights of users on their platform. but meta has handed over documents to the committee. the committee says the documents do not suffice, they are not actively complying with the subpoena request for information. first issued the subpoena back in february. in may the committee reached out to meta saying what they turned over was insufficient and failing to comply. today meta handed over more internal documents to the committee, but the committee sources on the committee tell me
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that is not enough. meta is reacting to this scheduled hearing to try to cite zuckerberg for contempt telling me this, we begin sharing documents before the committee's february subpoena and have continued to do so. to date we have delivered over 53,000 pages of documents, both internal and external, and have made nearly a dozen current and former employees available to discuss external and internal matters, including some scheduled this very week. but in the committee's contempt report we are getting insight into what they say they needed and that they did not get from meta, saying the company has a need for internal documents shine light on how meta understood, evaluated and responded to the executive branch's requests or directives to censor viewpoints in the modern town square. sandra, if held in contempt, zuckerberg could face up to a year in jail but only if the doj
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or the u.s. attorney were to move forward with prosecution. that is not very likely, so it could be that even if they did cite zuckerberg with contempt, ultimately it would just be a symbolic gesture or possibly just a way to send a message to big tech that house republicans are coming for them. sandra. >> sandra: hillary vaughn, breaking the details on this, keep us posted. thank you. >> john: the son of nba superstar lebron james, bronny, is recovering in a los angeles hospital. the incoming usc freshman going into cardiac arrest during a basketball workout. jim gray, sportscaster and fox news contributor. jim, we do not know what the cause was for the cardiac arrest but it is similar to what happened to hank gathers and reggie lewis, both of them had
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hypertrop hic cardiomyopathy. >> we saw it with damar hamlin, it happened at usc last year with an incoming fresh, he was able to recover and played in 14 games this year, let's hope the same happens for bronny. it's stunning, shocking, really. a guy in such great shape as he was getting ready to prepare, usc where he's going to be a freshman, they were having ten days of workouts before they go over to greece and croatia to play in an exhibition tournament. so now he's in the hospital, in stable condition. so good news in this, it's that he's been moved out of icu. >> sandra: absolutely. did you know, jim, any previous medical conditions that were known to the family about their son? >> if they are, they are not known to me and i don't believe that the public knows.
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so -- you know, i've seen him at laker games throughout the season, knowing him, the famous picture was taken when lebron was interviewing lebron back 18 years ago and little baby bronny was there in the picture at our feet and then he was holding him. so i've known this young man since basically he's just been a toddler. and i don't personally know of any medical issues, no, i don't. >> john: when you look at an article in the sports health journal, goes back a number of years, between 2014 and 2016, there were 132 cases of cardiac arrest among middle, high school and college basketball players. and apparently they don't know exactly what's behind it, sometimes people who are tall have connective tissue disorders. for some reason, basketball players are more prone to cardiac problems than any other
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athlete. i thought that was really intriguing. >> i mean, i guess it's interesting, but it seems minuscule. seems so rare. million and millions of kids play basketball every day, and multiply the times of players and it's a rare occurrence. again, i'm not a doctor, i don't know the statistics that you cite, let's assume they are all accurate, it's still small. >> sandra: and dr. siegel last hour said one in 50,000 plus, and jim we are pulling for him and hoping the best for his family and a quick recovery, but to your point, the best case scenario is happening right now, moved out of icu in stable condition and we'll keep monitoring it. thanks so much, jim. >> he's a terrific young man. all pulling for him and lebron james' dream to play with his son bronny.
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kind of the reason he's been hanging around. not only to win championships but to play with his son. hope he fully recovers and the dream can come true. >> hope the doctors can treat it and go on to have a fabulous career. >> sandra: struggling to find love? for some it may be a problem only a machine can solve. >> john: start-up is using artificial intelligence to help singles find their perfect match. speak to the ceo ahead. >> would i ever do it, if i got desperate. i hope it would not get to that point. >> no. >> i think i would take a shot with a.i. >> not my type of thing. hey little bear bear. ♪ ♪ ♪ i'm gonna love you forever ♪ ♪ ♪ c'mon, bear. ♪ ♪
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>> john: all right, if you are done with blind dates and sick of swiping left, maybe you should give a.i. a try. our next guest is on a mission to build an artificial intelligence matchmaking system to find everyone their perfect match. we have the ceo of keeper, lovely backdrop, jake, looks like the dunes of martha's
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vineyard. how does it differ from typical algorithms or humans looking at surveys putting folks together. >> certainly. so, the traditional dating apps do use a.i. to a certain extent. what keeper is doing differently is you can describe any preference you have in a partner, completely open-ended, and natural language, and our a.i. can take whatever that is and find somebody who meets all those things. so it's similar to a traditional matchmaker in that way but far more precise, far more efficient and the result is a far better match. >> john: so what -- as far as i understand a.i., what you get out is very dependent on what you put in. so if people aren't honest in their surveys or their profiles, are you going to get an accurate match? >> no, that's, you know, 100% accurate. if, you know, people are
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dishonest or they don't take it seriously, then they won't. so far, you know, we have had good results, people have taken it seriously, we have a serious brand, keeper.ai, it's for marriage, for starting a family and so you know, people put their best effort into it and they get great results. >> john: so we here at fox were curious to find out what real people think about all of this. we went to the streets of new york city, specifically bryant park, and asked folks if they would use an a.i.-based app for dating. listen here. >> i could say people being interested in it, you know, a lot of time, one less thing to think about. >> dating, you have to be face-to-face, talk to them. no a.i. or robot. >> i would not trust somebody who is not human to make a good judgment. so it's kinds of scary. >> john: some folks say they would be happy to try it, others say not so much and others in
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there as well we did not air who were highly suspicious of a.i. doing all of this. what do you say to people who are afraid that we are going down the rabbit hole of the matrix or terminator and they are trusting their love life to this technology? >> you know, fair enough. i appreciate healthy skepticism. you know, the people who i talk to the most about this are our users, and i can tell you that they are thrilled with what we are doing for them. i got another wedding invitation in the mail last week. but it's an early technology, and so you know, i understand why people are going to wait and see how things play out but i think once, you know, once we have had a chance to really prove ourselves to everyone they'll get on board eventually. >> john: all right, well maybe a lot of people will take the blue pill and stay single but some will take the red pill and see how deep the keeper rabbit hole
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go to frenchs mustard mobile. it hits the road later this month. the mustard skittles will be mobile. john, would you try it? >> i would, definitely. i prefer to try it with hot dog flavored m&ms. >> sandra: disgusting. i can't. all right. that does it for us. our taste buds are awake. set your dvr. thanks for joining us. i'm sandra smith. >> john: i'm john roberts. "the story" with martha starts right now. >> martha: thanks on the mustard skittles, guys. good afternoon, everybody. i'm martha maccallum. right now on "the story," we're about to hear from the white house this hour. pressure is mounting on president biden and his son, hunter. you have several very big developments that has changed the mood around this in a major way from the irs whistle-blower testimony to the disclosure that hunter brought his dad in to more than two dozen calls with foreign business p
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