morning and bring you updates for what people are saying in the dead of night. watch. >> we had a house. even our dogs are -- >> we don't know if our houses are burned or our animals are alive or not. >> the firestorm came through the tree screen and took everything with it. i ran to the beach and helped everyone i could along the way. >> dana: a deadly wildfire in maui killing 36 people destroying hundreds of homes and forcing thousands of evacuations. it happened instantly wiping out a major tourist center as well leaving behind little more than smoking piles of rubble and ashes. welcome to a new hour of "america's newsroom," i'm dana perino. >> bill: epic tragedy. strong winds from hurricane dora hundreds of miles away were whipping up the wall of flames on the island.

a desperate search for survivors and bodies still underway. several large fires across the island remain active and out of control. several brush fires affecting the big island of hawaii. the governor declaring a state of emergency discouraging all non-essential travel to the island of maui. all airports are open to get people out. a long road ahead to recovery. >> dana: jordan escaped the flames. his home burned to the ground but he and his family are grateful to be alive. i'm sorry for what you've been through. what was it like and what did you go through? >> a lot. definitely once in a lifetime thing you don't want to go through. briefly an overview of my 45 minutes time frame, we saw smoke just above the hillside of our home and then kind of thought to

ourselves hey, with the winds, maybe our family should start to prepare. gather our things. get what we need and maybe head out. before we knew it, the flames were already at the doorstep of our a couple houses down from where we live and at one point in time you are looking at the flames and it looks like just a wall with the angle of the wind, the way it was hitting the houses. it was just like, you know, catastrophic. something you never want to see. and so -- >> bill: how many were in your family at the time? how many were in the house at the time? we hear the winds were traveling upwards of 80 miles-an-hour. it gave you very little chance to get out. >> yeah. yes. in the house that i was specifically in, there was my grandmother and then there was my aunt and her family. a total of seven people. we live in a house that's structured, you know, separately

three different homes and one thing led to another. we look out the window and grabbing what we can. houses on fire. my aunt's house, down the road. my dad's sister, her house was already on fire. there were two ways to get on the road. there was a subdivision and it is the main road where the fire was coming from and then a very, very short outlet to get out on the back side from a newer subdivision but it seemed like eternity just to get out of there, you know? you are driving through -- so many different parts of this hillside is converging into one point taking turns trying to get out and as this is happening, the flames are being flown from the wind to different houses. every so often you see a new house light up.

and at one point in time i was like i'm not going to try to go this. i will go to the back roads and get. as i did that i had to drive through flames. there was a van and a house already on fire. the smoke was going over the road. don't know what's on the other side of me and just hoping and praying i don't hit a car and get stuck. the van next to me doesn't explode and then make my way down to find that the congestion down there was just as bad except they were, you know, the entire road was covered in dark smoke. if you are looking at it, the road runs from ocean to mountain. the fire ran ocean to mountain and wind blew ocean to mountain. where the fire started, it took out lahaina road as an option. i have to go back where i came from and it was like a war zone. with the wind earlier it demolished a few houses where

beams were pulled off from garages and stuff like that and they shot into the sky. you had to watch out for things if you were outside your car. in addition to the fire. debris flying everywhere. things hitting cars as we are trying to leave. and then as i'm leaving, my brother's road is the way to get out. my cousin's house was next to my brother's house. hers was already on fire. she hadn't left yet. she has two dogs. her car is in the garage. she was trying to get out. her alone and open the garage door and luckily with my family and we were already in front of the fire but in regards to everyone else, you know, people maybe if they are elderly that live alone or people who don't have cars or people who just unaware of what's happening because of the way the fire -- where the fire started to where it ended up but it covered so

much ground so fast. their reaction time was minimal. >> dana: we know that 36 people have been confirmed killed in this. many, many more injured with burns and the hospitals are packed. i know that you are very tight knit community, when you finally got to some safety, what was that like? realizing that, one, being glad you are safe but i can't imagine your worry about those who maybe didn't make it. >> you know, it was a really trying time to be in because right after i exited our subdivision, all of the phone service went out. so there wasn't any way for us to communicate on where to meet up, where to be or with anyone for the fact of the matter. luckily with my family we were -- if this happens, cell service

goes out let's meet at this place. but in regards to all the people left behind, you know, this community is so small. we're raised with our neighbors. we're raised. everyone is related somehow or someone's best friend and then we're all one big community. every one goes in the same high school and the same middle school and elementary. and to hear, you know, see all the different messages that come through on social media now that we have service just seeing family members of people i know, just not being able to find their family members. not knowing if their family members may be these unidentified bodies that exist. maybe their family members got out but there is no way for them to communicate to each other. the entire west side of the island doesn't have service. no power, no water. so you are literally in a void. a void that -- >> bill: your description is

stunning. it is 4:00 in the morning. where are you and if you were to go outside, who is there to help people like you? >> so i'm actually currently on the island of oh oahu. i'm there for my mom's funeral. if i were to walk outside i'm on a different island i won't get the same care except for family members. if i was on maui, so many businesses and so many shelters were produced on the spot just people on maui are very giving. they would give each other the shirts off their backs. that's all they have. >> dana: how did you leave the island? >> through a very chaotic

airport. the airports are full of a lot of people trying to leave the island with such a very populated area that caters to tourism, it's difficult for the island to sustain those people. i think what they are trying to do is get them from the island of maui to different islands where shelters were available for them to be taken care of. or i think they were things that existed for people to get back home. >> dana: sorry for the loss of your mother and your possessions and you have a bright future, it might not look like it right now but this is a strong community that will rebuild. i have a question. you said you saw the flames up on the hill nearing your house. did you have any other warning that maybe you should evacuate? >> realistically i don't think

there was an opportunity to get a warning. the way that it just moved, you know, we were prepared but as we were already evacuating and i seen houses near my house in flames, the maui police department was circulating, was announcing you are in an evacuation zones. leave your homes immediately. that played over and over and over in my head. and then in addition to that is afterwards at my grandmother's house i went to my auntie's house because i didn't want her to get stuck. at the bottom of her road is the access to lahaina/luna road. you can't see the firefighting trucks and they have the hoses attached to fire hydrants. as they're working on it, you

see it coming. the heat, you can feel the heat like a opening an oven on high just everything about it. not a place to be but like i said minimal time to get out of there. >> bill: one more question. you described your community so well. go to grade school and high school and grow up together and get married on and on. the district of lahaina, seems like 1700. wooden structures and popular with tourists. a lot of people who made the trip to hawaii are very familiar with your community. what do you want them to understand today? >> you know, the difficult times we're experienceings lahaina is not what it used to be. it is basically gone. please change your travels coming to maui. there are other islands and locations in the world that are

accessible. i think right now the biggest thing about our community is we have lost so many connections to our hawaiian history, to -- lahaina was the capital of hawaii. so many of the churches and structures that existed during that time are now all gone. and we need to figure out a way to rebuild our community first before we can even open it up to other people, i think. >> dana: jordan, i understand that you said that when you arrived into safety you said i'm praying that a miracle happens. i think the fact that you are here and with us and able to talk to us and hope you stay in touch. all of us wrap our arms around you collectively and pray for you and your family and please give them our best as well. thank you for coming on and explaining everything to us. >> you're welcome. thank you, bill and dana. >> bill: thank you so much.

what a story. wow. okay. back to hawaii momentarily. in the meantime we have a debate coming up and a huge weekend in the state of iowa. former president trump says first he will not sign a loyalty pledge to support the republican primary winner. a final requirement to take part in that debate coming up in 13 days. eight candidates have met the polling and fundraising requirements to get in. two have signed the pledge thus far. former white house deputy chief of staff karl rove with us now. good morning to you. jordan's story is gripping, really stops you in your track and one of thousands of people who are living that life right now. karl, good morning and thank you for being here. saw your piece in the journal this morning. you write this. if i were a betting man i would say mr. trump shows up. he must be the center of attention but no one knows now, probably including mr. trump. he may decide at the literal last hour. so you are on record as saying

thumbs up he will be there. >> well, i said if i had to bet. and of course that was before he last night proceeded to say he is not going to sign the pledge he would support the nominee of the republican convention. that's big news. it has implications for the immediate. it means unless he signs that pledge, he is not going to be in the august 23rd debate. if you were to become the nominee he has given license to any skeptical republican who is concerned about his behavior on january 7th or exaggeration and lies about having won the election. he has given them license to say if he wasn't willing to support the nominee of the republican party i'm not obligated to, either. >> dana: and so chris christie said this. this might not be a huge surprise on special report last night about trump not showing up at the debates. >> if he doesn't show up two weeks from tonight it will show

what he showed throughout his presidency. complete disrespect for the people. the only good thing for me i will have more time to speak because he won't be droning on about his three indictments with a fourth to come. >> dana: president trump's supporters stick with him through thick and thin, indictments or no show. do you think it will really matter? >> i think it could. there is a new poll out that suggests that of the 50 some odd percent of republicans who support him, that significant number of them, approaching 50% of those people wouldn't support him. 45% would not vote for him if he were convicted by a jury in one of these trials. the hard core inside the republican party is 29%. that's a big number compared to everybody else but it is hardly a majority. we don't know how the next 4, 5, 6 months will play out. the president -- the former president has a number of significant challenges.

missing on the debate. look, think about this. at the debate there are three good reasons why not to show up. he is ahead in the polls. why put himself in place where he gets a lot of pot shots from the others? he is today he could -- he is the guy who draws attention. more people will watch it if he is there. why build a crowd for his primary opponents? finally, he could say things that plunge him into more legal difficulties. there are lots of good reasons why not to show up. but on the other hand, he could look like he is either weak, afraid to show up or more likely he is not -- he is overconfident and taking supporters for granted and the attacks will be tougher if he is not there. they'll go unresponded to. that will have an effect. the other candidates will be able to turn the conversation to what they want to talk about not what he wants to talk about. and -- >> dana: can i interrupt you quick. the other candidates, i'm thinking do you want him there or not want him there? if you are trying to make a name

for yourself. >> look, you have to plan for either contingency. none of them are saying god, i hope he shows up or god, i hope he doesn't show up. they realize it's outside of their control. if they are smart they're preparing for both. how do they handle themselves in each of those two scenarios? >> bill: nice to see you. >> dana: a lot to think about. >> bill: karl rove not in austin today. he is on the road. we should go on the road with rove. >> dana: i will go on the home with him. he buys breakfast. good to see you, karl. >> bill: thank you. >> dana: he will buy breakfast. >> bill: today harris faulkner will kick of a special series called democracy 2024. candid interviews with the spouses and family members closest to all the candidates. next hour her conversation with dr. ramaswamy on the trail alongside her husband vivek. check it out with harris.

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>> dana: a new vermont law is targeting pro-life facilities. faith based pregnancy centers could be hit for a $10,000 fine for advertising their services. they are suing the state for an

extreme abortion agenda. we have the directors. denise, start with you. set the stage for us. what was the lead-up to this. why did the state decide to do this and what is your lawsuit trying to win back? >> the government has no business trying to steer pregnant women away from free life-affirming resources. unfortunately they are so pro-abortion they passed the law to silence the speech of pro-life centers and try to shut them down with $5 thousand fines for who knows what. we have filed a lawsuit to try to protect the constitutional rights of these wonderful nonprofits and make sure women in vermont have real options when they face and unplanned pregnancy. >> dana: it seems like it would be a clear violation of free speech. how quickly it can get resolve

and how it goes. jeanmary you are the executive director and have quite a story how you got to this point. do you mind telling the viewers about what you went through and how you got to where you are today? >> yes. i was trafficked from the age of two to the age of 29 and then when i finally ran for my life and got out i found out i was pregnant and went into a pregnancy center in new hampshire that the women there asked me how can they help you. after hearing the heartbeat of my child. i was abortion minded at the time. they looked at me and i asked them i said now what? i'm pregnant, homeless, can you help me? they helped me get into a program and from there i was -- had the opportunity to become an executive director here at branches to where now i do the same thing with helping women that are being trafficked or going through unplanned

pregnancies. >> dana: how important -- if you didn't have the resources, the situation might have turned out very differently for you. >> yes. i would have been dead especially with the law that vermont has placed right now with the not allowing us to promote the different types of information and guidance that we give to these women. clothes. we have a whole program for women and children and men who are being trafficked and being in this position where the pressure of being fined for $10,000 of this misleading, which we don't know what that really means. i would have been dead nine years ago if that law was put in place. >> dana: denise, where does it go from here? if people want more information about this case. >> you can follow our cases at adf.org. we filed it in federal court and waiting to hear a response from the attorney general's office.

they have issued a press release doubling down on their position. but we stand very firm on the fact that pregnancy centers should be able to speak freely and offer help to women. >> dana: that phone call might be help. help might be on the way as people are watching this live. jeanmary, you never know what could happen. jean, can i ask you one other thing? our producers told us this morning something that brings home the trouble that happen for a young person especially being trafficked at the age of 2 and 29 when you got out. when they asked if you had pictures of yourself growing up, you don't. >> no. >> dana: life is so important to you and precious to you. maybe wanted to give you the last word on how glad you are that you are here today and able to bring this message to other young women who might find themselves in a similar position. >> thank you once again.

knowing that the government is trying to steer women away from a true opportunity to have a choice of deciding. i was given that choice. not only that but i was given the opportunity to receive jesus christ and my life has changed. there has been such freedom to be able to raise my son and not have to worry about the pimps or people that did things to me and knowing that my son is safe and i am safe and that's what we here at branches do is provide safety and help for the women and children that need it. >> dana: i bet you take a lot of pictures of him indeed. jeanmary and denise. thank you, let's stay in touch and see how this turns out. >> thanks so much. >> bill: 28 past now. the battle over free speech in america. will a court allow the biden white house to tell social media companies what they can and

cannot post? high stakes matter coming up and we'll get you to that. the voice of a music legend goes silent. remembering the life and times of robby robertson, leader of the band at age 80 has left us and so much more behind. ♪

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characterized by widespread doubt and uncertainty the united states government seems to have assumed a role similar to an orwellian ministry of truth. what do you do here, michael, what's the decision? >> this is a really important case. this is for sure one of the most important free speech cases in u.s. history. it is probably the most important free speech case around the internet. what is at stake here is what we and other people have discovered is the white house put extreme pressure on facebook and twitter in particular but youtube and other social media platforms to censor content they thought was contributing to vaccine helps tennessee. the new twist is that we discovered recently that facebook executives said internally and we believe to the white house that if they did that, it would actually increase reluctance to take the vaccine because people need to be able to hash out their views. the white house continued to put

pressure on facebook. facebook was worried not only that the white house would take away facebook's legal liability, its license to operate and worried the white house wouldn't help facebook with a 1.3 billion business with europe that had to do with data flows. the first amendment is clear saying the government shall not abridge, meaning limit freedom of speech. that's clearly what the white house did in this case. i think this case is almost certainly going to the supreme court. i think we'll see a big victory for the first amendment. >> bill: interesting. i think a lot of people think hunter biden laptop but his father wasn't president at the time that happened. so you think about that but you also think about other stories, you know, where are the guardrails on an issue like this? political speech should be free speech. and if you are using it to go ahead and muzzle your opposition, it shouldn't happen.

you can make the case that it has. like a school shooting or mass shooting. should the government have some way of communicating directly with these tech companies? how do you feel about that? >> absolutely. one thing the biden attorneys will argue is say government officials should have the right to free speech and should be able to ask the social media platforms for things. first of all on criminal matters, nobody questions the right and the need for the f.b.i. and other organizations to work with social media companies to track down the bad guys. nobody questions that. that is not at stake here. nor does anybody say there is anything wrong with president biden or the press secretary standing at the podium publicly saying hey, we wish that facebook and twitter would not have these views there. they are free to express that. the problem is the secret demands that censorship occur and then a quid pro quo that gets created meaning if you guys take down the covid posts that

we don't like, many of which were true, by the way, then maybe we'll lay off on trying to take away section 230 liability protections or maybe we'll help you with europe. that is when the dangers occur, the secret conspiratorial working together and why these things need to be dealt with publicly and keep the government out of secret demands on social media companies. >> bill: how do you police that? we'll see how the arguments go. you are on record are saying it is headed to the highest court in the country. we'll see if you are right on that, too, to scotus. michael, nice to see you. >> you, too, bill. >> bill: thank you. ♪ >> bill: so today we remember the life of a legend, wow. robby robertson, lead guitarist and songwriter at the band has died at the age of 80. born in toronto, gained fame for his work with bob dylan and so

many others. wrote several classics for the band. "the weight." "the night -- he died in l.a. he was battling a long illness. he leaves behind a long list of absolute classics. >> dana: a little trivia? what american singer/songwriter guitarist that he lobbied into the ranks but was politely dec declined. >> bill: eric clapton. robby robertson, a legend from canada. made his name is america. he leaves behind a lot of stuff for us. >> dana: landowners in new hampshire are taking aim at the state's hunters law. hunters can enter private

property and put up cameras to track animals. >> hunters will go far and wide for their sport. some in new hampshire say they are going to far, at least on private property. >> this is a rural area. you live here because you want privacy. >> exactly. i like to be left alone and just be uninterrupted. >> dennis lives on a remote 43 acre home in been, inc.ton, new hampshire. seven years ago he was walking his property and found a camera fastened to a tree. >> whose is this? why is it here and what is the purpose? >> it was a camera like this one. >> yes. >> which is for hunting. >> yes. >> it could have easily captured you and your family doing whatever. >> exactly. it invades my privacy and without authorization. this is my property where i live. i have an expectation of being private while i'm here, not under surveillance.

>> his hunter was one of the first trying to use modern technology to track deer migration. since that day the cost of hunting cameras has plummeted and their use exploded. less than $1 hundred on amazon causing controversy and conflict between hunters and landowners here in new hampshire and across the country. the number one complaint you get is about these cameras being placed on private property. >> it is. in the fall we get 5 to 10 calls a week. >> kevin jordan is the state's fish and game colonel and supported a bill that would require all hunters to get permission prior to placing their cameras on private land. >> they don't know who these folks are and want to know where their pictures are being sent. >> thrive other states, utah, arizona and nevada have banned the use of trail cameras for hunting all together. new hampshire has a long open woods tradition.

>> it is an affront to the tradition of hunting on private land. >> a new hampshire state rep. >> it will be an impediment. these people cannot access the land freely and ultimately to be able to exercise the sport. >> i don't have an issue with the tradition of open access to property that's not posted. my issue is with an invasion of privacy on my own property without permission. >> a respect for property rights which he says is also deeply rooted in new hampshire state tradition. that's it from here. back to you guys. >> dana: fascinating story. douglas kennedy reporting. see what happens there. >> bill: thank you. taking the temperature of a potential biden/trump rematch. where is the enthusiasm meter on that one today and could it open the door for another challenger? we'll ask marian williamson.

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>> bill: new polling from arizona showing from president trump narrowly leading president biden in the match-up. on the democratic side, president biden holds a commanding lead over his challengers. that could be robert kennedy at 10% and next guest at 2% marian williamson. haven't talk to you in a couple of years. you are back on the stage. what has joe biden not done in your view? >> well, the issue is that americans don't want to go backwards. americans have no taste for another trump/biden rematch. and as you were saying earlier not a lot of enthusiasm there. we'll win in 2024 by offering the american people a lot more. you know, people -- there is a

lot of economic despair and anxiety and people are asking on left and right why not have the same rights they have in every other advanced democracy. the majority of republicans and democrats want universal healthcare that they have in every other democracy and tuition-free college and tech school. we'll win, by we, the democrats by offering the things considered moderate positions in every other advanced democracy, universal healthcare, tuition-free college and tech school, paid family leave, guaranteed living wage and guaranteed sick pay. the american people have been trained to expect too little. people have realized now once again on left and right that the average american, the health, safety and well-being and economic well-being of the average american is now secondary in washington to the profit making capacity of a small group of billionaire and corporate interests. the american people have had it. they want a candidate who will

turn the ship around. >> dana: across the country one of the things cities, including las vegas where you are and giving a speech later tonight a dealing with another huge problem. i wonder how would you think about deal with it. the k-12 education is a disaster across the country. nation's report card came in. kids are falling backwards on reading, math, history, science, civics and this is a disaster for them not only for our competitive future but also for their own lives. i just think there is such little conversation about it and i'm not sure where you would place the blame for those failures or what you would do. i'm curious what you would say. >> first of all, there are many risk factors for america's children. we should be very concerned about those risk factors. it is not just their education. part of the problem with our education is how we fund it. when you look at the statistics that you just mentioned, children particularly white children living in advantaged neighborhoods compete well with

the children in every other country. the problem we have is in large part how we fund education. a lot of it has to do with property taxes. we need to make sure that children no matter what neighborhood they live in have the resources for a world class education. that's not where we're putting our resources now. i want a department of children and youth. we have millions of american children who can't read by the age of ten. the truth of the matter is if a child cannot learn to read by the age of ten the chances of high school graduation are drastically reduced and chances of incarceration are drastically increased. thank you for bringing it up. you're right. america's children are collateral damage. they don't represent a constituency. they don't work and don't have financial leverage. washington treats them with a level of collective child abuse and neglect not to mention the fact you think we have a mental

health crisis now, what are we going to have to ten years from now? the generation of elementary school children who wake up every morning and pray that they will not get shot at school today. >> dana: marianne williamson. thank you. good luck at your speech tonight. tragedy from hawaii. at least 36 people killed and hundreds more have lost homes and businesses. update on the dire situation there. another deadly attack in ukraine as russia looks to shut down grain shipments. more from kiev next.

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democracy 24 families in "focus." i sit down with spouses and family members of presidential candidates. first vivek ramaswamy's wife. >> dana: now we have breaking news from the front lines in ukraine. officials say at least two people are dead after another russian strike. greg palkot is live in kiev. hi, greg. >> hello, dana. first to that striking news on the front line. russian rocket slammed into a residential area. nine people injured and two dead. moscow is active on another front as well using food as a weapon. >> this is the result of vladimir putin's war on food in ukraine. a pile of wheat grain in a warehouse outside of kiev not going anywhere. russian forces hit ports and

blocked ships. russia pulled out of the black sea grain deal that allowed food to reach needy countries and blew up port facilities in case ukraine exported anyway. affected farmers who had to dump his last corn harvest and freshly harvested wheat is struck. ukraine is trying to send food road and rail. costly and inefficient. farmer understands people's pain. >> we do suffer. of course we have losses, but it is much harder for people who are hungry and have nothing to eat. >> kiev also announcing today it would try to open up humanitarian corridors in the black sea that could lead to some grain finally getting through again. but as we all know, moscow could have the last word on that. dana. >> dana: greg palkot. stay safe. >> bill: thank you, greg. before we go, check it out. virgin galactic is making history. the launch of a first mission

for space tourists. the flight carries three customers including an 80-year-old former olympian. second person with parkinson's to head to space and a couple entrepreneur. first mother/daughter duo in space. they'll separate in a couple minutes and weightless for five minutes and enjoy what some of us have never done. >> dana: keep here for live updates on that. "the faulkner focus" is next. here she is. >> this was a home. here is their car. >> harris: breaking news. there are now two hawaiian islands burning. wildfires being driven by hurricane-force winds whipping up enormous walls of fire. thousands of people are trying to get off the island, including tourists trying to go home. one person who lives o