yeah, that. jenner, great to have you. thank you so much. just to kind of update you here, we are continuing coverage of breaking news for one more hour because this a big one. this is the fourth indictment against the former president, the united states. this one brought in state court. the legalities a little bit different, but in essence, it is one more indictment and a long list president donald trump been indicted in fulton county, georgia. this is the first state indictment. we want to bring in matt finn, who has been outside the courthouse all day long covering this. what are you hearing? we heard from the da, fani willis a short time ago, not willing to bring up the answer about this document that apparently leaked out earlier and she said she is not quoting

here, she is not an expert in clerks and refused to answer the questions. >> yeah, throughout the day today, beginning early this morning, our team has been outside of the courthouse alongside numerous other members of the media and everyone was anticipating or waiting for potential indictment against the former president today and earlier today there was buzz or information circulating he had been indicted and reuters published the indictment around the lunchtime hour thachl generated buzz that the indictment had come down. all of a sudden the fulton county clerk office said those are not correct, legitimate documents, they are fictitious, there is no indictment. fast-forward to immediate night and the indictment is remarkably similar if not identical to the document that surfaced today on the county website, it generated

a lot of questions. how did that get up there, on a government website? tonight when the district attorney was asked about it, she said she had no comment, she is not an expert in the clerk duties, she is probably intimately aware how the website works. i'm sure there will be more interest and questions that need to be answered regarding how that fictitious indictment landed on the website earlier today. tonight the fulton county district attorney fani willis says 19 people were charged including 41 felony counts against former president trump and many associates, including rudy giuliani and mark meadows. every single person is charged with one count of the rico act in georgia, racketeering charge. and there is minimum sentence

attached to the charges, not something you can get probation for. among the names, fun fact, connie west, former publicist and trevor kudid sheing ian. the fulton county da call third degree a criminal enterprise that had the goal of allowing donald trump to seize the office on january 20, 2021. fulton county district attorney saying 19 people created a criminal enterprise that happened here in georgia and elsewhere outside of the state. the da wants a trial within six months, she says she doesn't want to be first or last to indict donald trump, but she wants her trial to happen within six months and she is asking all 19 people named in the indictment to turn themselves in by next friday. >> we'll get back to you. i will bring in jason chaffetz

because of the political aspect of this. you have been watching all night long and have to be fascinated, you have the da come out, fani willis and she is asked about the fictitious document and they did not say the website had been hacked, they said the document was fictitious, produced before the grand jury voting. let's play it and i'll get your take. >> no, i can't tell you anything about what you refer to. what i can tell you is we had a grand jury here in fulton county, they deliberated until almost 8:00, an indictment was returned, true billd and we now have an indictment. i am not an expert on clerk duties or even administrative duties, i wouldn't know how to work that system.

>> kudos on that, question, that will come up again and again. you said it was fictitious and phony document and it turned out to look like the real thing. >> jason: what is fulton county doing to pursue? is that not a crime to put a fictitious document on a website and it is the same document or similar to that prior to the grand jury actually voting? boy, fani willis is off to a good start. a few days ago, she posted new information, had a fundraising e-mail go out, trying to raise money, she is involved and engaged in election. she has more than 2-1/2 years to pursue this, just happens to come to tee up under her timeline to prosecute somebody and bring it to trial in the middle of the primary season.

she's going after kanye west's posse, seriously? that is one of the people indicted, along with donald trump? why are they not pursuing the democrats that challenged an election? stacey abrams never admitted and went after the whole system, said it was rigged, kemp had rigged this thing and done it wrong, i did not hear anybody barking at stacey adams, she still never admitted she didn't win the election. >> you say that and the da was saying issue not verbait, but fairly close the former president did not abide by georgia process for disputing elections, he broke the law. one wonders if stacey abrams said this was wrong, did abrams

abide by the go go process for disputing elections, jason? >> jason: do you give up your first amendment right? no reason somebody can't challenge the election. remember what is going on in real time? a lot of people had serious questions, why can't you ask the question, do that and get a legal team to give you an opinion. that is really what she's going to prosecute here? the whole thing, four indictments and timing against donald trump seems farcical and i can't get over the idea that kanye's publicist is on that list. >> i'm sorry, what, what did i do? lastly, jason, the concepts, we have seen again and i brought this up with alvin bragg and seen other daytime emmys give their case before the media, after the indictment is unsealed and it just seems to me like it continueds to fall flat. you expect a da to go up there

and give the charges, read the charges and give you context and perspective and give you the reason why you should be so infuriated at the behavior and instead you get a running list of the indictment itself and no reason, no intestinal fortitude reason why we should feel the justice department, the justice system is above board. >> jason: you are exactly right. that gives you the feeling, the impression, if they had a smoking gun on donald trump, don't you think they would lead with that, create a case and say, see this document, this recording, we can't ignore this, folks, this is what we're prosecuting. they don't have it, they would lead with it. they try to scare people, 41 indictments and hoopla about how many there are.

there is no content there. we have seen this before, that has been the story since donald trump descended on that escalator. they throw stuff at him, when you try to see it, we don't see anything, that is the problem. >> stand by, if you will or let me know if you need a break, we appreciate that. want to go to the numbers, 19 individuals charged in the indictment. 41 felony counts, it is 97 pages long and i know it because i have it in front of me here and the prosecutor spoke to the media and was brief about seven minutes. i want to bring in kevin corke this is the fourth of the indictment and kevin corke is live to give us rundown of the other three indictments. good evening. >> kevin: good evening, quite a day as the entire country watching this unfold in realtime. this latest prosecution of the

former president extends legal jeopardy for the gop front-runner. this is to say nothing of the mounting legal bills hitting trump coffers. this keeps ongoing. georgia becoming fourth is exped

not guilty to all the charges in the state of georgia. i think this is going to play out in a very interesting way trace you've heard some --00 fani willis wants to get this wrapped up somehow or in the hands of court before then. we'll see if that happens. >> you and i apparently have the same clerical team, the last page has a couple witness names 97 point something, something. kevin corke back to you as news breaks. on what kevin was just talking about, jeff was just in florida and he's dealing with the florida case, you were down there. new information on that. everybody is trying to thread the needle and get their case in

before and you with the appeals process and you have fani willis saying i will have all 19 people tried within six months and the judge sets the trial date and push for less than six months and in florida trying to get this stuff on the agenda. >> original date set for may 2024, that could get delayed, bringing on new co-defendant and new charges. in florida, they are accusing the property manager of mar-a-lago of trying to delete surveillance footage and you have trump's body man according to investigators at guidance of trump was moving boxes around. this is one case in florida, very complicated and serious charges there. we'll see if that gets pushed back. trump's team has right to delay the trial with new co-defendant and new charges, that is just one indictment.

we have three others now. >> you have legal chess pieces, moving in new jersey, moving in florida, moving in georgia and the nation's capitol. it is one of those things, if you are trying to run for the presidency, you have to be able to carve out some time tlchl is theory you have to let this person carve out some time so there is not election interference. >> right, another thing trump and his legal team are going to have to worry about moving forward are other people named in the indictments and we spoke with kendell coffee, former u.s. attorney in the southern district of florida and he basically said more people that get added on to indictments, the more trouble it could spell for the legal process, being delayed and also for trump himself. you don't know if they will start taking plea deals and with this indictment, so many people may, who knows how people will play this off, everyone in a game now. >> nobody can keep up and people

in florida, that was the first one, try to figure this out and you line ducks up and see if you can get them put. jeff paul, thank you. i want to bring in jackie ibanez, she has political reaction to what happened in georgia. we heard from angry politicians throughout the night, what are you learning? >> republicans accusing democrats and biden administration what they consider weaponization of the justice department. texas senator ted cruz not holding back when he spoke to sean hannity. >> this is disgraceful, our country is over 200 years old, we have never indicted a candidateidate and leading candidate for president. >> cruz is raising questions about the timing of the indictment, suggesting each time there is bad news circulating for president biden and his son

hunter, the former president faces indictment. former opponent hillary clinton says she did not take any satisfaction in this, but it is under the law. vivek ramaswamy tweeted, this advice for the former president. since before prosecution against trump are using novel and tested legal theory, fair game for him to do the same in defense file motion to dismiss for constitutional due process violation for publicly issuing an indictment before the grand jury had actually signed one. here is hillary clinton. listen to this. >> this is a terrible moment for our country to have a former president accused of terribly important crimes. the only satisfaction may be that the system is working.

>> senate majority leader chuck schumer and hakeem jeffries weigh nothing on tonight's breaking news saying the fourth indictment of donald trump just like the three which came before it, repeated pattern of criminal activity by the former president trump. that said, the former president does not appear to be taking political hits from the legal troubles, at least among republicans. he holds a wide lead over his challengers. >> indeed he does. jackie ibanez, thank you. bring in kaylee mcgee white with the washington examiner. when hillary clinton comes out and pointing the finger and calling them corrupt, it seems very rich. taking the hammer to the server and deleting the e-mails and coming out and calling you names, i think that is not the best guess for msnbc to put on. >> actually, i disagree, it is perfect, who better know that

the expert on conspiracy to overturn resultless of an election than hillary clinton. you have a long list of democrats that could be charged with the exact same crime trump is being charged with. we have abrams in georgia and williams, a georgia democrat, who was arrested in 2018 for obstructing state capitol proceedings voting on election results. guess what, fulton county prosecutors chose not to pursue charges against her thchl is what we mean there is double standard and two-tiered system of justice. one side is being treated differently than the other and american people are waking up to the fact. it does not matter to democrats or prosecutors whether any charges holdup in court, the timing is the point. look at the next year of schedule trump has to go on in

court and campaign trail, it is absurd, the point is to prevent him from campaigning. he will have to appear eight times before super tuesday, that is the point, it doesn't matter whether any charges holdup in court, the point is to taint his record so he is rejected offhand. >> i hear legal experts and average people saying, it is totality of the pattern here, not just the trump indictment, not russian collusion, totality, you have the doj going after parents in one area, the fbi going after catholics in another area, you have censorship and now we know they were censoring true covid information, so they are going after regular people, parents, censoring regular people and will when you go after the former president four

times, people tend to lose a little faith in the systems we have bought into for so long. >> yeah, also consider the timing of charges against trump. indictment dropped against trump day after revelation against hunter biden drops. this is not coincidence and i don't think anyone thinks it is. think about the timing, the fulton county district attorney wants to have the trial within the next six months and hunter biden has taken how many years to flesh out bo into biden? why taken so long to investigate the president's embattled son and why is fulton county district attorney able to expedite this in the next six months? these things are not a

coincidence and the american people need to wake up to that fact. >> talk about trying to shoehorn hunter biden allegations and of course david weiss let them die. he let the charges just expire and that is the reason this has taken so long and why people have such little faith in david weiss being named as special counsel, he is the one that let these things die and the one that cut every one of the interviews off with the biden family, the biden grandkids and joe biden off at the pass. there is a pattern of deception at the very least and that frustrates people. i have about 30 seconds for you. >> absolutely, as many people pointed out, the process of this indictment raises many red flags, whether it is the grand jury forewoman going on cnn, giggling about the indictment or the fictitious letter released

ahead of time, these are strong points for trump's defense team to make and we'll see how it ends up going. >> kaylee mcgee white, thank you. i will check in with matt finn, they are wrapping up in georgia. matt, you have been out there doing yeoman's work and we appreciate it. what do we wrap up with tonight? what is our going away thought? >> i just talked to brian innis in the press conference with the district attorney and he is the one that asked about the fictitious documents posted to the fulton county website today. the district attorney fani willis says she wants her trial to happen in the next six months. there are competing schedules here, but i will toss to a quick sound bite, the district attorney wants this on the calendar within six months.

>> i don't have any desire to be first or last, i want to try him and be respectful for sovereign states. we want to move this case along and we will be asking for proposed order that occurs trial date within the next six months. >> there you have it. we were saying earlier today, there were members of the media outside the white house waiting for pending indictment. when reuters reported the indictment came down, people said, here it is. the clerk came out and said that was not the indictment, that was fictitious. one observation, you would think the district attorney would walk in tonight and be prepared to explain what happened, you are talking about indictment of former president of the united states, you thought she would be prepared to address what happened. she did not talk about it at all

and when asked about it, she deferred, i do not have expert skills in administrate ohr or clerical working. she knows how indictments are posted on the website. it may not be malicious, it may be a clerical error, when you have a sensitive case like this, the former president expected to be indictment, you think you would walk into a press conference ready to explain what happened. she did not want to and deferred. >> and called it fictitious. is briinnis in the vicinity? i'm curious, if you can ask him -- >> it is happening. what the move was. i want to know if you asked the question what is response from the rest of the media?

if brian asked the question and the da comes in and says i'm not an expert in clerks is what she said, i am wondering what the response from the media is and the press conference ended quickly therefore, brian. >> what was the mood like when you -- >> i think i heard you talk about the response of media. i i think this was a question on everyone's mind. i'm hearing myself, i can't. this was on everyone's mind going into the press conference, at least for us. attorneys are attacking integrity of your office and you have electorate and former president trump's supporters skeptical about this ongoing now indictment against the former

president. you would think she would have gone in more prepared to have answered this question given the fact of it being true, put a pen on it, this is clerical error or something we'll take seriously and we will seriously investigate, we don't accept leaks in this office, she didn't say either thing and said she had no knowledge how this works at the clerk's office. that was confusing and i'm sure they will have to my thought process, have to come out with another explanation why there was that leak, clerical erroror what. >> thank you both. very quickly to jeff paul. the timeline in the florida

trial, saying six months. six months is what fani willis is saying she wants this trial. in florida, what is timeline setting? >> six months from now, bret baier did the math, i think february of 2024. and you have florida case supposed to start in may of 2024. that is a couple months after that. if i can quote real quick, i know you like a good quote, kendell coffee said to viewers at home, who are confused about everything going on. buckle up, you are just starting the ride, this is one step, get ready for long drawn-out coverage of what might be the most realistic criminal prosecution in the history of the united states. >> yeah, and he's not underselling that, that is a fair assessment of what we could see. jeff paul, thank you. i want to bring in vik.

how in the world will you get prosecutors from different jurisdictions and judges to agree on election interference and try to make sure this person is the leading candidate for the gop that this person has due diligence and constitutional right to run for the office of president. >> you are exactly right, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you know how to fill in the blank, it is a duck thchl is why local elections have such a dramatic impact, especially when talking about local, state prosecutors of course united states attorneys are appointed by the elected. elected in different counties, so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to come to conclusion those similarly situated on the political spectrum would have unity of goal and that would be

to push as many pieces of litigation, serious crimes and charges all of which all of which will be surely ritz into lockatory appeal before verdict at trial to the state courts. if not dismissed, these are going to jury trials. who goes first? we hear a story, she is not interested in who goes first. well, why is grand jury returning indictment at almost midnight? they want to be the first to of c co -- the covers, they want to be first in indictment which includes most allegations outlined in special counsel jack smith's federal indictment. there are no surprises other

than who may testify if and when that time for trial comes upon us. >> we just got this, i will read it, trump's attorney from drew finling, melissa little saying the following, the events have been shocking and absurd, this one-sided jury presentation rely on witnesses who ran campaign touting efforts against accused and profited from book deals and employment as result. we look forward to detailed review of the indictment, which is just as flawed and unconstitutional as this entire process has been. so they are fighting back. fireworks are underway in a bunch of jurisdictions. it is on in georgia. your thoughts about this? >> thank goodness, these are right for jury trial. anyone with finger on the pulse of federal or state trials

throughout our nation knows you can have politics that push indictments, politics that push charges, but when it comes down to rubber meeting the road, the juries never check common sense at the door. some people don't have much faith in jurors, i have faith in jurors and every jury instruction for every trial throughout the union has one very important rule that jurors must follow. you are entitled to evaluate the testimony presented by witnesses by including consideration of things such as bias or motive. surely those who are singing for their supper, meaning they have immunity, and they have every incentive to gain conviction against the main defendants or political biases issue these individuals are right for cross-examination and i have no

doubt former president trump legal team and each of the indicted defense attorneys will bring that out front and center when fact finding need to occur. >> couple questions on the 19 charged, rudy giuliani and sydney powell and the like, i wonder if one of these, kanye west's publisher, they come to you and they want to put all 19 of us together, what is our first move, can we have time for discovery of the things we need? >> no way this is going to trial in six months, i would be absolutely floored if any judge in this union would push a defense team, including 19 different defendants to go forward in six months. it can take two to three years to properly investigates, those

are single defendant cases. when you have co-defendant cases, you have ripe opportunity for effective assistance of counsel, trying to sever the charges and sever the defendants, split the charges. one jury should not hear all evidence against all individuals and here is one reason why. when you allege conspiracy which rico charge is essentially conspiracy and almost 41 charges levied against all or some defendants in this case allege conspiracy for theft, for influence and obstruction of justice. jury cannot hear co-defendant's statement in furtherance of this conspiracy. by the very nature, way the case has been pled by this office will necessitate mults multiple

jurors and juries. motion for discovery and immunity grant, for everything recorded and need constitutionally for multiple jurors to contemplate facts that we're going to see jury in any way, shape or form before six months comes around. >> lastly, if you have 19 charged in this indictment, i wonder if you think the strategy by this district attorney is that know wo, two, three, maybe more, flip against the former president and that is part of your game. >> if you're the district attorney, that is absolutely a piece of leverage and hammer you have to hang over each defendant. now of course, when we talk about a federal conspiracy, it is no different than state conspiracy, the head honcho, or

heffe is donald trump. everybody will be able to provide prosecutorial evidence, guilt-ridden evidence against president trump will get a benefit. usually we do not have people indicted in an indictment or complaint, federal or state when they made a deal for immunity, many time you have charges for lesser charges if immunity is given. it strikes me deals will be on the table soon after individuals made their appearance on or before august 25th for booking procedure and when they make initial appearances. that hammer is hard to underestimate, the penalty for potential rico charges do not allow probation, these are

mandatory custody charges and that is big weight to hang over shoulders. jeff paul gave me a message, what about location? what do you do when you talk about they want to change, d.c. is unfriendly to the former president. miami more friendly and fulton county, maybe not as friendly. there is a move and all tactical things going forward about where these trials, the change of venue, etcetera, is that a fair assessment? >> absolutely fair. you hit the nail on the head, prilimnary motion will be filed to change venue. not only because of voter rolls, showing trump is not the number one person they vote for. the governor ran on anti-trump platform and found himself

victorious. do not forget the allegations, if we look at indictment and parse through perjury and obstruction of justice charges, who my query who is the victim. the victim would be any voter who had their vote power stripped away from them, the voters and citizens of fulton county in georgia would be the victims. now is it fair to have a theft from a juror determined by the jury? the answer would be no and that is significant constitutional question that you will see both the district and supreme court have to deal with. >> vik bajaj, thank you, appreciate it. in florida, i would guess, jeff paul, they like that venue, they are happy down there. they think they have a good shot, it is somewhat trump country. >> i mean, mar-a-lago is in palm

beach county, the courthouse is in trump country, that is where he wants to be. talk to any lawyer or prosecutor and they say the same thing, trump doesn't want to move from there. fort pierce is good with him. look at georgia, they could argue, move it out of the city limits that tend to be liberal and not a fan of trump. outside the perimeter, it could become favorable for trump. as prosecutor or criminal defense attorney said one thing they will file, change of venue, easiest thing you can file. >> shafs shafs, /* /* jason chaffetz, you ran for office and you have the former president of the united states who wants to become the next president of the

united states and has to be legal justification for you to allow him to do just that. >> >> jason: yeah issue but only one donald trump, never seen anything like it. nothing seems to stick to him that way. it is because much this pattern, this pattern of they don't enforce the law equally. name one person that prosecutor has gone after for election interference and other charges. you have a lot of people in georgia. we talked about stacey abrams leading the charge saying these things are wrong. you have electors challenge the legitimacy of the election you served in united states congress, they routinely said the election was stolen and illegitimate. hillary clinton gave a statement tonight, she was an election denier. that is the problem, you don't

see equal application of justice and people sniff that out and understand, you don't do this equally. >> and hillary clinton said donald trump was illegitimate. rudy giuliani says this is does irrevokable harm to the justice system, just next chapter in book of lies with purpose of framing president donald trump and anybody willing to take on the regime. they lied about russian collusion, about the foreign bribery scheme and lied about hunter biden hard drive proving 30 years of criminal activity. the real criminals have brought this case forward both directly and indirectly and rudy giuliani is named in this indictment, jason. >> jason: yeah, you have a number of people, mark meadows, former chief of staff, the eastman, the president's attorney.

i think this gets into the whole issue of attorney/client privilege, can they press and try legal theories even if they are novel? that is what justice is in america. you can actually challenge things and to try to suppress your first amendment right and to press your ability to challenge and ask tough questions. america is different than the rest of the world. we are self-critical, we ask tough questions and the process went through. what is the victim in all of this? that was cogent point made by the previous guest, who is the victim in all of this? i think it will be fascinating how it plays out, but this idea of a speedy trial that just so happens to be in february when they are going through nomination process, i can't imagine that happens.

>> i'm wondering, she read every name, 19 names of the indictment and you wonder why. this is focus primarily on the former president and object of this whole indictment is basically the phone call he made saying he needed 11,000 votes. get me 11,000 votes, in a close election, you think, it is a rationale, reasonable phone call to make, i need this many votes, check this and check this p precinct, go here. her thing is no, he did not abide by disputing election law in proper form. georgia process for disputing elections, he broke the law in doing that. >> jason: yeah, well, let's bring up stacey abrams and put them side by side and you tell me the difference in the two,

fascinating issue. she still believes she is governor abram, that governor kemp was not legitimate. >> thank you, we appreciate your time, good stuff. you go through this, jeff paul, and you wonder, where do you go from here? who is next? do you have news come out. we will cover this ad nauseum tomorrow. do you have news from alvin bragg, from d.c. they have something they want? you have prosecutors and some point in time, you would believe there has to be orchestration between the people to be able to set the parameter before the judges get involved. >> i was thinking the same thing, you have four indictments and it is giving me a headache and i am not named in the indictment and you are not either, it is oergsz organization of it all. you have 19 people and we know there is circus every time there

is an indictment with trump showing up. you have 19 people, heavy hitter names like rudy giuliani, will we cover that for the next two weeks until next friday, until the 24th, week from this friday, it will be a mad house in fulton county each time someone will show up, will we have a live cam and they are expected to get a trial that is somewhat fair? it will be highly publicized before it starts. >> on the 23rd, there is gop debate on fox news channel and we'll see if the former president wants to show up for that and air his grievances. let's bring in julian epstein and garretst ventry. julian, your take on what you saw when the prosecutor, she came out and she was -- i was waiting as a journalist, waiting for the hook and waiting for

this bombshell to come through and give us perspective why you did this and i didn't feel i got that. did you feel differently? >> trace: can you hear me? what about you are garrett, did you feel she came out and did what she intended to do? >> no, clearly not, two really unanswered questions in the press conference that are important. one, it has been talked about on this network and the media and main-street media, how did the indictment which matched the one we have now that came out early on the fulton county clerk website, how did that get out before a grand jury voted on it? that is something people will have to get an answer to and a second question asked by a

journalist, has she coordinated with jack smith, special counsel and she refused to comment on that. if i'm house republicans, if i'm james comer, jim jordan, i will want my hand on the communication to see if there is collusion between the two partieses, because that would be something very important going forward. house republicans and general public want to know on that. >> trace: julian, great to see you, i was asking if you felt fani willis achieved her goal of making people think, she's got the goods or not and secondly as garrett just pointed out, are you surprised when she asked about this document that showed up on the clerk website today, she never addressed it. said she is not an expert in clerk and they said the document

was fictitious and that's a quote. >> we need to find out more about the document and she is holding her cards close to the chest. i don't know if it is consequential at the end of the day. i did not vote for donald trump, i was critical of the january 6 activity, that said, a lot of democrats are popping champagne bottles today and i'm more skeptical than most of them, you will be able to find 12 impartial jurors willing to convict the president, leaving aside the other co-defendants, essentially for two reasons. the case rests on two essential arguments, it is more complicated than this, there are two arguments. when the president asked secretary of state in georgia to find 11,780 votes, i think

prosecutors will have to prove he wanted the secretary and local officials to falsify the election return and i think that will be difficult to prove to 12 independent, impartial jurors. the second argument prosecutors will make and all these racketeering charges revolve around the fake elector scheme. president trump and john eastman and others believe under the 12th amendment, i believe it is far-fetched, the vice president had discretion, i think that is far-fetched constitutional idea and fake elector scheme flowed from that. i don't know if it is illegal to have that idea or act on that idea. congress last year had to update the electoral count act because of the 12th amendment.

i think the press are celebrating saying this is a done deal, you quoted what hakeem jeffries said, this is part of the ongoing criminal activity, it is big mistake for democrats, it make democratic party look very political, reinforces what trump has said, this is a witch hunt. the way the case was handled, fani willis had a fundraiser for one opponent of one named in the investigation. that is troubling to me, i think that portends a new era, prosecutors will go after opponents and fact she held a fundraiser for one the targets of the investigation is disturbing. the other thing and i will

finish on this, i had this criticism about jack smith, too, why wait until the election season? to point made by your previous guest, it will be difficult for a court to say in height of presidential campaign season that the president will have to sit for four weeks for each of the various different trials rather than campaigning, that will affect the election. i think this is going to be a lot more complicated than democrats think and i am more skeptical than many that you will get 12 independent jurors to convict. he makes a good point, my point i asked earlier, talk about the 11, 700, you have to prove he was looking for the secretary of state to go to nefarious means to find those. advice on electors and like joe

biden, the supreme court said you can't do the student loan thing because it is unconstitutional. he got advice from somebody else and doing it this way. legal advice streams in to a president. >> yes, two things and i agree with what julian said here, problematic timing, jack smith had 2-1/2 years to bring charges, fani willis had 2-1/2 years to bring charges. all that has changed, we are close to an election and donald trump is a candidate. joe biden is struggling and donald trump in the gop primary by 30 or 40, even 50 points and defeating joe biden in a lot of polls going forward. a lot of problematic ness surrounding alvin bragg, upgrading misdemeanor to felony to get president trump. jack smith in the document case

charging president trump with a lot of people would argue under the presidential record act and ever have the documents. have not heard from the special counsel. the way fani willis acting, a judge reprimanded her for holding fundraiser for a opponent. she did a memeof lindsey graham and set up fundraising page on the indictment of president trump. it looks political and i think president trump has a good argument this looks political going into election when he continues to surge in the polls as they try to shield him. they do not want to run against donald trump, they fear they can't beat him, they and that will not sit well with the american people.

>> thank you. bring back in senior national correspondent kevin corke live -- >> kevin: we lost signal. >> various indictments, we will explain what happened. kevin, what happened with this? >> kevin: this is a circumstance, it is important people at home understand this latest prosecution extends latest jeopardy for the gop front-runner. this could keep him off the campaign trial for quite sometime unless various judges along the four indictment decide this would be un-toward miscarriage of justice. let me share, georgia fourth venue to charge the 45th president in case that will have implication on the 2024 election. very quickly, we know in this particular case, we'll get to in a second.

in new york, 34 counts for violating record-keeping law, for taking classified documents. he was president, anyway, they said he didn't have the right to have them. he made the argument he was president and declassified them. and a pairelated to january 6 a in georgia, the grand jury. bottom line, it is this. long time coming before we see this play out, i think the former president makes a good argument this should certainly be adjudicated long past the election and thatten moos american people have the final choice. >> kevin corke, jeff paul and me. maybe alvin bragg, when he brought charges first, he was first and foremost, if maybe

charges and allegations were stronger, if he wasn't elevating misdemeanor to felonies, maybe the rest of the cases would have gotten more credence and a lot of legal experts said that set the tone and the tone was not what democrats should have been hoping for. thank you all, thank you for watching.

>> carley: a fox news alert, georgia grand jury charging former president trump and 18 others including rudy giuliani and mark meadows over alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election. it is the allformer president's. todd piro trump has until next friday to surrender to authorities who say he will be booked and a mug shot will be released. the da i