>> kayleigh: this is "outnumbered," i'm kayleigh mcenany, with my co-host harris faulkner. joining us "fox and friends first" co-host carley shimkus, kara frederick and kevin walling, here he is.

we begin with president biden's visit to maui. nearly two weeks after those historic and devastating wildfires that ripped through the town of lahaina killed 114 people, hundreds more missing. the president stuck around for just about six hours in the middle of his vacation at a billionaire's lake tahoe mansion, his second vacation in a month. the president's arrival in maui was anything, but welcome. angry residents protested the mo motorcad,with some chanting go home, joe. he saw the homes and scorched streets and spoke with community members who lost everything. just moments later, the

president took to the podium and compare the deadliest wildfire in u.s. history to a kitchen fire in delaware. >> president biden: i don't want to compare difficulties but we have a little sense, jill and i what it is like to lose a home. years ago, 15 years ago, i was in washington doing "meet the press" on a sunny sunday and lightning struck at home on a little lake outside of our home, a big pond and hit a wire and came up underneath our home into the heat ing air conditioning ducts. long story short, i almost lost my wife, my '67 corvette and my cat. >> kayleigh: harris, it doesn't take much to realize there is no

comparison. they did not lose it, the fire department said it was insignificant fire, the fire was under control in 20 minutes. the city of lahaina has many still missing. >> harris: thank the good lord for that. we are looking at pathological nas cyst at this point. no one thinks anything about what he went through with a small kitchen fire is anything like the inferno conditions that literally incinerates people on the island of maui. we don't know where more than 800 people are at this point. later in the conversation, he did compare his los from his wife and children earlier in his life and how at first he thought both sons were gone, but found

out his two sons had survived and what that is like. i can get it. coupled with the other, you are always given a grade and z grade, you have never just get a consoler in chief who can give you a grade aught the time. my guest last hour asked a great question. why didn't he pick up obama, who was born in the state of hawaii and they both gone on air force one? i don't think he is thinking through and who is on his staff who let's him flight after democrats eviscerated people like trump for not being president of the moment when things happen. being loo at look at katrina. let him board a flight to go back to a vacation in tahoe. >> kayleigh: my takeaway from

this moment was proclivity and his lack of empathy and on the subject of exaggeration take a walk down memory lane. >> president biden: i was raise in in the puerto rico an community and remember spending time going to the tree of life synagogue. >> president biden: my first job offer, my wife deceased wife and i wanted to move, not a joke, such a beautiful, beautiful state. i interviewed for a state with boise. >> i did not walk in the shoes of generations of students who walk these grounds. i walked other grounds because i'm so damn old i was there, as well. seems like yesterday, first time i got arrested. anyway -- >> i was appointed to the

academy in 1965 by senator who i was running against in 1972. never planned it that way, i wasn't old enough to be sworn in, i was 29 years old. fine man, jay caleb boggs. >> the "new york post" facts checked this. no evidence he was ever arrested, no evident he visited tree of life synagogue. the job at lumber company, representatives said it was newing to them. the whousz has a hard job, kevin. >> kevin: my heart breaks for the victims. it was important for the president to go. this president is best when he is consoling and sticks to the conversation about losing his wife and daughter in the tragic

accident >> harris: i said he is not at his best, he can't do that. one story out of five hours, embarrassment, they are suffering. >> kevin: he was trying to console them best he could. >> harris: he is failing, he has to do better. >> kevin: i think that resonates with people. >> kayleigh: talks about losing his son, did not resonate with this gold star mom, watch. >> myself and other families of 13 waiting for the plane arrival to the united states. when joe biden our elected president issue entered the room and approached me issue his words were, my wife jill and i know how we feel, we lost our son and brought him home in a flag draped coffin. my heart started beating faster and i started shaking knowing their son died from cancer and

they were able to be by his side. also wondering how someone could be heartless to say he knew how i felt little over 24 hours learning of my son's death. >> kayleigh: sometimes you just say i feel your pain, no compare stories. >> carley: such a powerful moment from that gold star mom. i want to focus on president biden. people on maui deserve more attention, that is the issue, they are not getting enough. if this fire ripped through a town on long island and new yorkers were forced to drive to the beach and jump in the atlantic ocean, it would be around the news. and that is what just happen.

there are untold number of americans and children who have died, some in the most horrific way possible and like harris said, over 800 mising. thousands of wondering where they are. why is that taking so long to figure out? there are questions like this official in hawaii, who may have waited five hours to release water. if he would have released it sooner, could more lives have been saved. this is about the people, not the president and he made a mistake, i understand what he's trying to do to inject himself in a way to say i understand, when it is lesser tragedy like a kitchen fire, it doesn't compare. one moment more, i think this is most attention this story will get and it is not enough.

i spoke to a resident of maui who said what he needs most issue fast-track permits, clean the area, hierarch tekts to start drawing up options for housing. i don't know what level of government is responsible, that needs to happen now. >> kayleigh: yeah, it does. the reason the president gets away from this, you compare and carley describe to george w bush, trump, natural disaster and coverage they got, he gets away with it because of the media. in article reflective on missed steps of the president, he is adept at leading with empathy, rare period of public dispassion from biden, they cover for him when what he did was unexcusable. >> kara: exactly. he led with truth, that would be

different, he tends to exaggerate. there is human inclination to filter your experience in the world from yourself. how do i identify with that? that is on steroids and exaggeration component. he is gravely out of touch. he took a break between vacations to do this, this is at the same time requesting hundreds of billions in aid from the american people to ushg yoo. we did analysis 900 per american will go to ukraine from the hundredses of billions of dollars. $700 in maui. >> harris: it came up when our people on the ground were interviewing victims in hawaii, they mentioned that. how different if president biden

said i will not get on the plane, we have work to do. >> kayleigh: media let's him get away with it and here we are. just one day away from the presidential debate. eight candidates will square off in tomorrow night's first gop debate on fox news. the latest on the race is next. conquer financial reports. conquer 2000-word essays. conquer 300 thank-you notes. rule over what you write with the smooth writing, longest lasting gel ink pen in america. do you g2? my name's dan and i live here in san antonio, texas. my wife magda and i have been married for 39 years. about three or four years ago, i wasn't feeling as if i was as sharp as i used to be. i wanted to try something that was over-the-counter.

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>> harris: well, we are now just a day away from a crucial point in the 2024 presidential race issue the first republican primary debate on fox news. eight gop candidates the take the stage at pfizer forum and we

just learn said what the stage will look like. where they stand makes a difference, the debate leader ron desantis will be front and center alongside vivek ramaswamy, mike pence, chris christie, and former arkansas hutchinson. nikki haley, south carolina senator tim scott and north dakota governor doug burgum. rnc chair woman ronna mcdaniel expectses candidates to talk about issues americans are facing under president biden's leadership. >> i want to keep focus on beat biden. people are hurting. we are in wisconsin, cost of living is up, families are dealing with financial debt under bidenomics and they want to see us talk about issues.

i want candidateings to talk about the failure of joe biden. >> harris: thinking about this, for somebody to have a break-out moment, they have to monopolize the minutes. know what they disagree with enough to monopolize the minutes. >> kara: one can pull forward and separate themselves. whoever is pedalling anti-woke agenda and say mesh dine mism, that will take the day. we need something aspirational. not talk of how we'll fight some of the forces that democrats are bringing to bear on other than which, schools, etcetera, the economy, how will we fix it and be problem solvers and carry

this great nation into the next 10 years. looking for someone who has genuine idea and propagates it on the stage. >> harris: i'm curious when you look at doug burgum, people don't know him, you are going from break-out moment to a recognition moment. >> kayleigh: exactly, three pieces of advice, catch momentum. someone like tim scott, he's been prepping heavily and will focus on his biography and other candidates might need a direction change, this is moment to introduce him to the american people. catch momentum and tim scott's style is different from anyone on the stage. ron desantis is a proven fighter. vivek ramaswamy, i'm new and an outsider, harness momentum.

eliminate competitors. in 2016 super tuesday, there were fivin kas in the race 30% went to those who were not the top two. you can do that on abortion, which is important in iowa and on deep state and two-tiered justice system where someone like vivek is strong on that point. >> harris: kevin, in focusing on joe biden, that is where ronna mcdaniel wants to see everybody go. i believe you said the person you were most worried about was tim scotts scott. why? >> evangelicals are so important in iowa. he talks about his faith and that resonates with iowa voters.

to your point, good one, republicans are interested in a forward-looking agenda. 38% are interested in economy, immigration and border are 11%. candidating that can articulate contrast to bidenomics and i'll defend bidenomics day in and day out. republican that can -- >> harris: there is one? nice man. i want you to live in the now and the truth. >> kevin: i'm trying. >> harris: i believe you believe in bidenomics. that was nice. carley. >> carley: this debate tomorrow is important for that break-out moment. ron desantis needs wind behind the sails and never back down pack did him no favors.

take a sledge hammer to vivek ramaswamy, if he does that, if he was going to, people will say, they'll be watching for it. that is distracting and going to be he's following political consultants and doing it naturally. chris christie is going to likely go after him for being a big government conservative for taking on disney, he has work cut out for him. he is a policy driven guy who i think could be a strong debater and take it on. >> harris: the iowa register was talking about how all these people did on the ground. tim scott was expected to do much better, he didn't. desantis did well in iowa and so did vivek ramaswamy and nikki haley. interesting point. what do you make of just the

situation your candidate may not even debate the other person who is the nominee if biden should be it? >> kevin: the case was made easier with donald trump not coming to the debate. >> harris: whoever makes it out of the -- >> kayleigh: on pages of politico. >> i think joe biden will debate the opponent. >> harris: be sure to watch the first republican debate on fox news live from milwaukee, wisconsin. have some cheese, would you, tomorrow 9 p.m. eastern. martha maccallum and bret baier will moderate, don't miss it. starting to feel like 2020, biden is pushing new mask mandates. those are coming back? stay close.

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>> kayleigh: nearly one year after president biden declared the covid pandemic over. will begin to encourage americans to get updated boosters in september, this

after slight rise in covid cases. mask mandates are back with morris brown college in at lant is requiring masks in hallways and classrooms. requiring employees to mask up in office buildings. review why the american people have distrust in thisirria. i want to review hypocrisy we have heard and falsehood and coercion we heard. here is vice president kamala harris before she was vice president. >> if trump administration before or after the election, americans take it and would you take it? >> if public health professionals, if dr. fauci tell us to take it, i will be first

in line to take it. if donald trump tells us to take it, i am not taking it. >> kayleigh: who will take the shot? will you be first to sign me up? it is being00, i'm not being faz. >> carley: biden administration. do you think at this point somebody is watching tv and seeing government official promoting covid vaccine saying, i am going toun are to get vaccinated. no, there is major distrust there and would have the opposite effect on somebody who is vaccine averse. biden administration is doing this because if they don't,

their base will criticize them to no end. pull and push why this is happening and has nothing to do with covid at all. >> kayleigh: we were told no vaccine mandate for some employers, we were told that would never happen. watch the administration on this one. >> no, i don't think it should be mand tor. >> is that a sign the federal government should step in and are you putting needs of -- >> that is not the role of the federal government. >> here is the thing, we cannot require someone to be vaccinated, it is a matter of privacy to know. >> kayleigh: they put in place mandates. >> kara: where was that nancy pelosi? have we learned nothing?

remember, in early days when we didn't know about efficacy of mask and vaccines, open and free debate was stifled and flow of information was manipulated. youtube censored. ron desantis brought people in to talk on youtube. they banned covid misinformation, we don't know what misinformation was. i think the great barrington declaration, you had lumnaries in the public health field stifled for opinion that older people should be protected and everybody else allowed to roam free. we need genuine market place of ideas. americans can talk about this and learn from our experience,

not repeat mistakes of the past. >> carley: it was voluntary to this kind of language, coercion, by the way. >> government that stand in the way, it was clear from the president's tone, he will run over them. it is not for political purposes. it is to save the lives of american people. >> president biden: this is not about freedom or personal choice, it is about protecting yourself and those around you, the people you work with, the people you care about and love. my job as president is to protect all americans. vast majority of you who have gotten vaccinated, if you break the rules, be prepared to pay. >> like a mobster there. >> harris: that is one thing,

that is coercion, the previous sound bite, the president will run over you, that is war. that is more than coercion, if someone said that, they want to throw down. what is that? get this. there is new version of the virus. these are now according to scientists in michigan and couple other states issue spreading quickly and we could be looking at situation as we said on way to commercial, mask mandates and the like. my question is this, can we see the science first? can we get dr. dr. fauci's old tapes back, he was not specific and could have gotten people killed with cloth masks much how

much science will they put out for schools and universitieses and colleges mandating vaccines and masks. we need the science. >> kayleigh: kevin, you can understand why people say who do i trust and explanation might work better. here is why i made this decision, you should think about this, too. >> kevin: it is clear mandates didn't work. i get a flu shot every year, it is important to move from pandemic state to endemic stage. >> kayleigh: exactly. freedom, it is after all what that country is about. no zeros for student, no penalties for cheating and late work is a okay, welcome to

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>> harris: a school district in portland is drawing attention, teachers are advised to no longer hand out zeros, even if work does not meet expectations

or is missing? this is rooting out implicit bias among educators. base grade on end of term assessment, don't include homework as part of final grade or penalize late work. offerun stereos opportunity to retake test and provide alternative consequences to cheating. we only had one. i went to school on military base. you cheat or get in trouble, it is a military village. >> kevin: i would have been valedictorian. i'm a democrat and i think s

sarah sanders, we need to involve parents in conversations like this. this is not the answer. >> carley: the oregon department of education release memo and encouraged teachers to teach math in equitable way with a tool kit including list of ways white supremacy has infiltrated classrooms and that included getting the answer right. it is no longer required to get the answer right. >> harris: and that is white supremacy? >> carley: this is regression and unfortunate, it is what educators are teaching children. they are supposed to be the smart one. it has to do with excuse for failing schools teachers saying

it is not me, math is racist. if you don't allow students to fail, funding keeps rolling in. >> kevin: they have to teach to the test, too. >> kara: who does this help? classrooms in china ran by the chinese communist party are drilling their students talking about formula, facts and figures, turning out engineers. look at semiconductors and microchips and technology in the future, how is america going to compete where eshg merging technology means everything with artificial intel intelligence. >> harris: when i hear we're not going to give zeros, it is on

your assessment, what is it? >> kayleigh: do you notice the very clear, clean thread between portland crime policy and education policy? you commit a crime, cashless bail, get out, do not spend time in jail. you don't turn in your work, okay, we give you 100. there is direct link between crime policy and education policy and it is radical leftist liberalism >> harris: a california library silences a female athlete for misgendering people in hypothetical situation. that is where we are now.

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winsome sears joins us. what is the delaware way? our kerry kuback is here and kellyanne conway gains out competition and steve hilton has thoughts on joe biden's trin to maui. i'm john roberts join us for "america reports." >> kayleigh: an athlete silence. she was trying to share her perspective as a former soccer player when she was shouted down for misgendering in a hypothetical situation. watch this. >> are not -- we all have them. and like they said, i'm excited

that you guys are here, i'm excited you have your signs and flags, that is the american way, right? to voice your opinion. i'd like to voice mine. >> i ask you to leave earlier, i feel -- >> why -- >> not leaving. >> misgendering. >> leave the building, you are done. >> i didn't tell her she had to leave. >> yes, you did. >> you want me to leave? >> get out. >> kayleigh: the lead-up, she was making the point girls can't live out their dream if men are in women's sports and she was told not to say that so she said biological men in women's sports. you played college soccer, i am

sure you have opinions on this. >> kara: i played soccer at university of virginia and i worked my tail off. so many athletes are working their buts off. i missed my high school graduation, you wake up to go to the next tournament and barely get to go to classes because you are traveling all the time. these girls are giving everything they have and when they don't have the opportunity to get on that podium and win that tournament because a bilong cal male is taking it from emthis, you are going to hurt aspiration of so many girls across the country. it is partial thing to do. >> kayleigh: she was invited to speak at a public library and share her story of being a college athlete and that is what she was doing. there are a lot of angles here, doesn't she have the first

amendment right to say whatever she wants. >> harris: everybody in the room had their own thoughts and feelings, she said this is america, this is what it is supposed to be, they didn't want it to be for her. i spent time at the governor's mansion, with casey desantis, she rode horses, an equestrian, came in two in the entire nation and you know how hard that is. we got into it and she said democrats, independents, republicans, people agree biological men should not be in women's sports. it is hard to rise above a certain point, they are just biolog biologically dvent than we are. >> kayleigh: vivek ramaswamy

went viral talking about people not being able to disagree or share their opinion. >> carley: she was stating her point of view, near ly 80% of te nation intrae with. take it from the "washington post." she was just trying to speak, she gets shouted down by a biological man. you have girls being shouted down by biological man who want to demolish women's sports. sofia ray, good job speaking up, i applaud her, she did that well. >> kayleigh: to the biological male on the couch. >> kevin: this is true. i think it is about fundasm at respect. i am against censorship.

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♪ want to know what you think ♪ ♪ want to know what you do ♪ >> last but not least, oliver anthony's blue collar anthem "rich men north of richmond" is taking the world by storm. stopped on apple music, itunes and spotify, and now the top 100 chart, the sixth artist in history have a debut at number one. topping hits from luke, morgan, and taylor swift. what do you think? >> he's so authentic, that's what shines through and the fact he never appeared on a chart before and is number one right off the bat is pretty incredible. >> harris, it says a lot. >> i feel he's writing for himself. he's writing his voice, and he's writing to reach as many people with the story as possible. i think that's a beautiful thing and don't ever stop what you are doing, god bless you. >> and he's writing about a moment, speaks to where we are.

>> and i want to bring the show full circle and make a prediction somebody on the debate stage will bring up oliver anthony. >> that would be interesting. >> and they should, rightly so. i had tears in my eyes when i first heard this, he is singing the protest anthem of our time, good on, oliver anthony, love it. >> feels a lot like 2016. don't forget to dvr the show, here is "america reports." >> once this debate happens this week, it's off to the races. >> it's going to be an exciting debate. >> i feel i've been preparing for this first republican presidential debate my whole life. >> i don't think it's any secret that i'm going to be probably the guy that people are going to come after. bring it often. >> many people in the country didn't know who i was six months ago. so this is a good opportunity for me to introduce myself to the country. >> incredibly relaxed. i've been there before. hell, if i'm nervous, they should all be