♪ >> kayleigh: hello, everyone, it is friday and this "outnumbered." i'm kayleigh mcenany here with my co-host emily compagno, also shannon bream, amy freeze and "fox and "fox and friends" pete hegseth.

disturbing whistleblower allegations against a transgender hospital. new revelations have come to light. former case manager jamie reid came forward with concern about mistreatment inside the hospital's transgender segment. doctors are pushing -- the hospital denied allegations and it didn't take long for many media organizations to shoot down the story dismissing the claims as unsubstantiated. msnbc host chris haze tweeted, meanwhile, other outlets conducted dozens of interviews with parents, employees and

patients and found no coberation for the first report. dig harder, it is called journalism. the "new york times" did do digging, in this case, and corroborated some of jamie reid's key allegations as a missouri judge is now weighing the state's antichild mutilation law banning cross-sex surgeries or medications. >> it appears this whistleblower wasn't alone in how the hospital was treating minors with gender dysphoria. there were claims they were giving out hormones like candy because the hospital relied on outside therapists, some with little experience to determine

if those medications were appropriate. they may be harming young people by prescribing hormones when what they need first is mental health support. there are ethical dilemmas about how they operate. there is an ongoing investigation into the hospital. >> allegations were 75% of kids learned about gender from tiktok. if 1/10th of what was said is true that is nothing short of child abuse. >> they say that after their report, activists say this is a right-wing political issue much >> not been any families found to corroborate any information,

i wish i knew her motivation. i imagine, my personal view, i'm sure she is receiving some sort of monetary compensation for this. >> what complicates that argument, this is right-wing political issue, the fact jamie reid says she is left of bernie sanders and identifies as queer and is married to a trans man. missouri new law bans puberty blockers, hormone treatment and sex change operations for minors. a judge is expected to rule on the law today. >> kayleigh: i wonder if maybe reid just cares about children, maybe that is her motive. chris haze said there are instances of wrongdoing and perhaps may be credible. he couldn't resist dismissing this, listen to chris haze on

this report. >> i urge everyone, whether this piece or the next one that stocks panic about kids being put on medication too early, take a beats, consider it carefully before accepting it as gospel. >> kayleigh: most on the left see "new york times" as gospel, maybe he will reconsider. we have taken this whole thing as beat for a while. first clinic of this type opened in 2007, it has been going on for a decade and a half and the age has got ebb lower and lower. there is a social contagious here pushing younger and younger kids into clinics and they are not getting psychological help. if you read this "new york times" report, more patients arrive with mental health

issues. one of the most challenging questions how much psychological screening should adolescents be given? the answer is know tos, tons of therapy and intervention before you decide to do something that is permanently and physically life altering. god bless this whistleblower for all the reasons garrett laid out. her partner is transgender, but sees exploitation of kids >> kayleigh: why don't we give mental health -- 2016, you can find this in national library of medicine, conclusion, they study how often people change their view if they are transgender and conclusion is childhood gender dysphoria is associated with

lesbian or gay and 85%, gender dysphoric feeling remitted around age of 14. why change your life forever until you have counseling and consider it. >> shannon: doctor marc siegel wants to walk kids through this long-term, he is concerned about that part of the puzzle. what is interesting and these are jamie reid's allegations, they had people come in that thought they had terret, ticks, and they didn't and doctors recognize this as social contagion, when they had clusters of girls with gender issues, instead of considering in social contagion, they said gender showed something inate.

it would be in interest not to share negative things about the process. >> kayleigh: interesting point. emily, i applaud this for them researching this. something that stood out, first youth clinic brought about by two clinicians in united states, one named laura edward leaper opened one of the first gender clinics in boston. read down. 15 years after bringing the dutch approach to america, dr. edwards leaper, the boston psychologist had grown alarmed over the numbers and she warned american gender clinics other than prescribing hormones to some who needed mental health support first and she said we may be harming people we strife

to support. she brought this treatment here and seeing increase of throwing mental health out of window. >> emily: european approach, over there they stopped doing this. we clamored on to a bandwagon and took social contagion as gospel and ran with it to irreversibility of countless numbers of children. what struck me, essentially because of the contagion, demand surged and the clinic was overwhelmed and in attempt to triage everything they outsourced referrals for the hormone prescription, but began just prescribing without realizing documents reflect tension some issues were not gender dysphoria, but other things kids go through and the

like. they were outsourcing to external therapists not specified for this niche realm, they gave out the medication and to the kids who said i don't want to be transgender anymore, i've changed my mind, that clinic stopped providing resources because they were not equipped. one last final point. contrast to the beat that chris haze wants us to take to get allegations with the beat that was afforded a 14-year-old girl in 2022, when fox reported was denied a kidney transplant because she was not vaccinated. and then these kids are getting irreversal differences with no thought.

>> kayleigh: it is real, especially when you consider the time in 2017 to 2021, those identifying as transgender double rate from a few years earlier. i urge you, before you take a masectome, stop and think. >> it is unfair for kids who haven't had time to -- medical decision can last forever. have conversations with kids, it could be a passing phase, it really is equivalent of jumping off a cliff, if your friends do it, sometimes there is point of no return. >> kayleigh: more "outnumbered" in just a moment.

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>> kayleigh: major developments in 2024 race this week with one of the biggest occurring last night in georgia. former president donald trump seen leaving at lant is after being booked on charges of election interference. he is now first president in u.s. history to get a mugshot and he is using it for a fundraiser opportunity. hi, brian.

>> brian: all 19 co-defendants have turned themselves in at fulton county jail before today's deadline. all have had mugshots taken and all released, except harrison floyd, did not have prearranged bond and has been locked up for nearly 24 hours. all anyone can talk about is former president trump's mugshot. seen scowling at the camera and released on bond. mr. trump said of this experience, they insisted on a mugshot and and i agreed, it is not a comfortable feeling. his campaign website is selling mugshot tshould have shirt coffee mugs and bumper sticker. he is barred from intimidating

victims in this case, especially on social media. he had this message. >> should be able to challenge an election, i thought the election was a rigged election, stolen, i should have every right to do that. what has taken place here is travesty of justice. i did nothing wrong. >> district attorney fani willis is proposing new trial date of october 23rd for all 19 defendants. this was in response of a request for a speedy trial for one co-defendant. >> shannon: thank you very much for your reporting from georgia. kayleigh, i was wrong, i thought it would be a smiling booking photo, but it is not. what do you think of that photo?

>> kayleigh: the never surrender motto, this is a sad time. i would say this, he is fundraising off it and has every right to do that. what stuck out, biden is fundraising off this and been emphatic with the dnc. 7:30 p.m., president trump tweeted, this from biden, apropos of nothing, i think today is great day to give to my campaign. emzoos suggestive of what was going on at 7:30, the arrest of donald trump and low point for a president to fund raise over the arrest of his political opponent >> shannon: it is hard for them,

the president and his son are under investigation, too. >> it is not hard to use this, rest of society will do that in general, on twitter. the shirt, you objection get it and which party are you supporting? the fact trump got in trouble or is trying to capitalize on it? maybe more pressure for bidens to get in trouble, it hasn't been a fair circus so far. >> shannon: plenty of investigation, whistleblowers who have come forward. there is a lot in this stew. >> that is right, many more answers to come regarding jurisdiction and the like. this is a circus, mockery and travesty, mockery of the justice system and for those who spent a

career in criminal justice, this is nothing of it. the president comes out with a horrible tweet that is beneath the office that msnbc puts up weight and height count compared to lamar jackson and tom brady. i am embarrassed of this fulton county da. >> shannon: legitimate questions about height and weight as self-reported by the president. >> that was a heck of a mugshot, not often you look at a photo and say that is for the history books. it will be used by both sides, if anything that slams the door shut. republicans will rally around him and that photo. we've seen that in the polls and it will galvanize the other side that wanted that photo since he came down the escalator. >> shannon: we are all living

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plan. >> the city is hiring for the first pilot alternate response team, way for 911 operators to dispatch calls to somebody other than police or fire. a crisis responder, who is unarmed, the police department will be aware, they may attend, each call will be different, it is exciting we are up and running. >> thanks, lisa, unarmed qu quotient. reminded of the rapist who strangled a woman so hard all of her bones broke. >> stupid is as stupid does. >> this will get people hurt. it does not address the police

shortage because police they have are not allowed to do their job. do we sunday a police officer or alternate team? you have a crime-ridden city and send a mental health professional to deescalate? this is the kind of thing that will make a councilwoman feel good and fizzle after it is a disaster. people will get hurt in the process. >> when eight out of 10 homicides of women are from someone they were in a relationship from and if a mental health counselor responds, they are proceeding against all odds. >> shannon: my late father was former law enforcement, he told me this is the most dangerous

and violent ones. i hope people with experience will say this is not the right place to send a crisis counselor. i feel bad for people who show uch, they will be in situations that are dangerous for them, even if their goal is good and staging the police nearby, when short on cops, do they wait down the block, i don't know the logistics. >> emily: in portland, they defunded the police and were chase out of a park by a man wielding a knife and had to call the cops to subdue him. >> taking money away from the police and putting $1.6 million into this. when you get in trouble because one alternate response team member gets hurt and the city is

sued, didn't you just lose aught that money. when you have someone with mental health issue? just train the police betters, escalate their ability to respond in the moment. a young officer may not know what to do, if we train him, he will be ready and be there to help get that person to a safe place. >> emily: kayleigh, i come to you, are there pros to this whatsoever? what am i missing that could be positive? >> kayleigh: absolutely nothing. when you have the mayor john guiles of mesa arizona say someone with a clip board asking how your day is going, not a good idea. this councilwoman wanted to cut

or defund the police. she wanted to take 3 million from the budget, another great idea on part of this woman. she wanted to drop misdemeanor charges for defendants who suffer from substance abuse, wait, democratic councilwoman, she had to call the police to her home after a man threw a rock through her living room window. hit her very close to home and the very legislation would help people like that man escape criminal charges. >> emily: she had the luxury of c calling 911. the man behind "rich men north of richmond" is speaking out saying we can't count on the government to fix all of our problems.

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general public, for one, to stop relying on somewhere or someone 150 or 500 miles away to solve their problems. no one in the government is coming to save us, the people going toive saus are each other. he understands the problem with this administration, the government will solve your problems. >> kayleigh: a lack of belief in government solving problems is cornerstone of conservatism. he is spot on saying we lost sight of relationships, family relationships, he talks about families who look to technology, kids on technology, all day phone and neglecting the family unit. what i love most "i want to go home," and home is heaven. he talks about maladities here

on earth and you want to go to where that is solved. just like those wandering in the desert, we have let false idols come in. >> emily: a lot of people confuse country with government and government represents everything and after the accident liegeians to the government. we know what provides prosperity, it is any type of opportunity afforded by freedom and liberty. >> that is what oliver anthony understands, he is reading scripture before he sings and making money fromun downloads, wonderful to see. important reminder, we talk about politics and policy and

government, it is nowhere near as important as your home and spouse and friends and community and church and faith, those things fulfill you and sustain you and this is coming from guy who has dealt with bouts of depression. he may not call himself a conservative, but he is, that is the def nigsz by what he is saying. >> emily: there is reason why millions of americans resonate with this song. >> i was in a cab yesterday goingly home and we saw things on the streets that were frustrating and we traded stories. he says, we're the only ones going to fix it, it comes from place of frustration. how are we going to solve this together and cchange it? he said, we have to do it in our

families and in our faith. really that is where it is centered in. it is starting to trickle down to people when they get so frustrated, it has to come from within. >> the nature of the current climate, not withstanding that point, this government and everyone in power trying to shut down people trying to take back semblence of power, make decision over their children, the answer from government is censorship and cancellation. >> i think the overriding thing, you touched on, we have to be responsible for ourselves, that has gotten lost there, too. as people of faith, there is call to action to provide so people don't feel like this is the only way i will get through this. i think about the cajun nanavy, we have covered disasters and men and women who fire up their

boats are not waiting for the government. we will step into this gap and come together and rescue fellow neighbors and help, that is the vibe i get from his song. it can reflect more responsibility back on you, your house of worship and way to take care of each other. he said i want people to be less divided, we have more in common than we don't. it is enabling, enabling individuals who families and communities. >> he was in a valley in life right before, he is on a massive peak, america loves him. he was in the depths of despair, coming from someone who interviewed him. he got down on his knees and he promised god to get sober. that was from the daily mail.

>> he's been whipping out his bible and reading passages and it was funny when he said, last time i performed here, there were 15 people here. before that i sing, let me read scripture. >> sounds like his territory is enlarged and he's blessed indeed. coming up, new guidance from the biden administration that will not sit good with others. no more than two beers per week, more on that hideousness. veteran homeowners checked your credit card rates lately?

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>> kayleigh: the biden administration weighing a new consider lowering booze we should drink in 2025. sure to be a fan favorite. national sinstitute says new guidelines could match canada

who recommend two drinks per week. women, one beer, one glass of wine or one shot per day. men can have two. i just had wine from your winery and it was delightful. >> emily: this is so laughable. that broad brush they are painting and thinking americans will stand for it. if they are worried about health issue, talk about the process and advent of diabetes and sugar and the like. there are conversations about health, but coming out and being like one beer a week. the next beer i have, in 13 minutes. >> kayleigh: good for you. the doctor has admission, he occasionally has wine and only

get two drinks per month. sorry, per week. that was my bad. the doctor, he has two glasses of white wine per week, buttery california chardonney. >> let's party. if you think government is not going to save you, no one is going to listen. i feel good if i only have two beers by the second inning, that is my level of moderation. >> kayleigh: you and dr. siegel, later in the article, a doctor says they discount alcohol infuses many lives in a social way. dr. siegel said there is something for relaxing and when you don't relax that is aging.

when the government told me i couldn't eat raw cookie dough anymore, i stopped listening. we'll see how this plays out, there will be noncompliance. >> kayleigh: i love to talk to sara from staten island. new york one, 104 years old reveal her secret to long life, a beer every evening to unwind. you go. >> it should start today. if they did make it a rule or low, no problem, never have had alcohol in my life and turned out mostly okay to this point. if you did have to be barred, you would be okay. secret toen it4, i may have to reconsider. >> good with consideration. >> good for them.

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♪♪ >> last but not least, that was nirvana "smells like teen spirit," from the 1991 album "never mind." fans voted that record as having the most iconic album cover of all time. you've been hearing songs from some other top songs, including pink floyd "dark side of the moon," david bowie, and the beatles. we here on the "outnumbered" couch will share our favorite covers of all time. shannon. >> complete cheese here, i think that is also the most litigated album cover, in court every other week. 1980s i was not listening to

anything grungey or anything, i was not allowed to, michael w. smith. argyle, and i had an argyle vest, pink and purple that matched this, i thought i was cool, tells me i was not. >> i think these are terrible, iconic ones. only one i like is the voting baby one, that's like a maybe. hopefully the baby can swim. so my favorite is joe diffey, "honky tonk attitude," he passed away in 2020, he sings "john deere green, quintessential 90s. >> i took from the list, going from the list, i could have done something off list, my

14-year-old is in the beatles, and because i know about the beatles i'm super cool. >> i would have gone with nirvana, i went with green day. >> "dukey." >> we used to hang out on their yard before things happened. a lot of things happened in the area. my favorite one of all time, i know, i just -- oh, kidding, they did not take three. "flash dance" motion picture sound track. >> irene cara. >> republican national committee chair woman ronna mcdaniels announced the host city for the national convention in 2028. houston has won over nashville and miami. next year's national convention will be in milwaukee, so that's next july.

ok, quick discussion, what do we think about that? >> it's going to be hot, but the left talks about texas going purple and potentially blue, i think it signifies the importance of texas to republicans, especially as latino voters come to the republican party. >> i'll be going to lakewood church while i'm there. >> nashville has been passed over twice, they wanted it in 2024, right. >> didn't they at one point full back and say we don't need the convention here? >> the mayor did, the mayor is a democrat, and blocked the republicans in 2024, mostly around trump. but clearly they blocked it again in 28. >> and democrat mayors can cause a problem. >> all right, guys. and finally, this, tickets are on sale for fox nation's fifth annual patriot awards hosted by pete. so, go to foxnation.com/patriot

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