>> of course, it's live on fox nation. there are exclusive parties and book signings, a whole event. >> awesome, nothing like nashville either. that's exciting. thanks everyone for watching. thanks, and now here is "america reports." >> sandra: begin with the debate over abortion as both sides focus on the 2024 election. and a new op-ed urging republicans to put democrats on the spot and make them explain their party's policies. hello and welcome, everyone, sandra smith in new york and john, we have made it to friday. >> john: we have, and then we slide into saturday. i'm john roberts in washington. this is "america reports." the crucial issue taking center stage at the first gop primary debate as candidates sparred how far abortion bans should go. instead of bickering among

themselves, kellyanne conway is challenging republicans to take the fight to democrats on the issue. >> sandra: she writes this, go on offense. democrats plan to put abortion on the ballot across the country and candidates everywhere will make this their central issue for the 2024 election. challenge them to reveal where they stand. let's bring in karl rove, former deputy white house chief of staff and fox news contributor. great to have you on this big week, a friday afternoon. what do you think about that strategy, put democrats on the spot where they stand on abortion. >> yeah, look, we got a lesson here in 2022 on this. strong pro life governors in for example ohio, florida and georgia won election by drawing distinction between them and their opponent. say i'm in favor of setting a limit. shouldn't be abortions in the third trimester or second trimester or after 15 weeks, six weeks, ten weeks, whatever it was they were willing to defend

it. parents ought to be involved in the decisions of their teenage daughters. exceptions for rape, incest, life of the mother and other conditions. but they went out and argued on behalf of a position. and said here is where i stand, look where my opponent stands, no limits on abortion up to the moment of birth and as a result the republican governor of ohio wins by 25 points, governor of florida wins by 20, brian kemp in georgia beats a tough opponent in the form of stacey abrams and did so by articulating where they stood and challenging the opened to defend their position. >> john: lindsey graham in advance of 2022 saying that's what republicans needed to do but other than the examples you cited did not happen to any great degree. so nikki haley said republicans need a consensus what their position is and nancy mace echoed that this morning.

>> we cannot demonize women in a tough spot making a tough decision, we need a much broader conversation, it's very clear some of the candidates on the stage just don't get it yet and don't understand the effect of this issue and next year's election. >> john: it seems, karl, historically the democrats have had the advantage on abortion, not because of the ideology but in lock step on this and republicans are all over the place. >> and we are going to be all over the place, that's the problem. you saw the tension between nikki haley and mike pence. nikki haley saying we don't have 60 votes in the senate to pass a national standard of 15 weeks. ought to focus on things we might be able to be on offense and get consensus like no abortions in the third trimester. and the response from mike pence was that's not sufficiently pro

life, we need to stand for life, and we need to have a tough standard even if we can't get it done. my personal view is look, one of the most -- strongest advocates of life was a member from illinois and he set in place a rubicon census that we were going to at least try and establish no government money used to fund abortions, and republicans of all stripes, whether they were strongly pro life or moderately pro life or pro choice, found a standard to repair and my sense is what representative mace and governor hayley talked about is probably the best way to go. what are the things we can actually get done that allow us to go on the offense. >> sandra: you mentioned some of it. the candidates on the stage in their own words on abortion. listen. >> we are not gonna allow abortion up 'til birth and we will hold them accountable for their extremism. >> can't we have a minimum standard in every state in the

nation that says when a baby is capable of feeling pain an abortion cannot be allowed. 15 week ban is idea whose time has come. >> we should not have a federal abortion ban, we should not. >> no republican president can ban abortions anymore than a democrat president could ban state laws. >> sandra: and the chair woman of the rnc mcdaniel commended them for the performance on the stage, had this warning following the debate. >> i was very pleased to see them talk about abortion. democrats use that in 2022, they spent 350 million on abortion, if our candidates aren't able to fund a response and put out a response we are not going to win, they are going to do it again in 2024 and i thought all of them did a really good job on that. >> sandra: if our candidates are not able to find a response and put out a response, we are not going to win. this is emerging as a bigger and bigger issue, obviously after what we saw happen and play out

in the midterm elections, karl. >> absolutely. but i would make the point, where people had their act together and went on the offense they won, even in states that have historically been divided about this issue. so the key is going to be for the republicans to be on the offense. and look, it's gonna be what are the things that the american people believe in. two-thirds of the american people did not want roe v. wade overturned but two-thirds also don't want abortions in the send and third trimester. and the numbers in favor of people who are opposed to partial birth abortion or abortion in the final days of a pregnancy are enormous. and the number of people who are in favor of parents involved in the decisions of their teenage daughters are enormous. pro life advocates and republicans can win on this issue, but they have to be on the offense and they cannot be so much to say if you don't agree with me there should be no abortions, no exceptions, no how, otherwise i will see you in the primary, that's going to be

a problem for the republicans if that attitude persists. >> john: another topic, and sensing there just may be a whiteboard around somewhere on this. and that is you make the contention that while the national numbers show a huge lead for the former president in terms of the gop nomination, that when it comes down to the actual primary states themselves he may not be as unbeatable as he appears. >> yeah. well, there is a whiteboard, there is a whiteboard in your future. wednesday in the real clear politics average donald trump had 55.9%, in other words, 44.1% of republicans nationwide were undecided or for somebody else. but in iowa, the poll has him as 42, meaning 58% of the republicans in iowa are for somebody else or undecideds. another poll, echelon insight poll had him at 33. i've been talking to the campaigns polling in the state and they are showing him in the

mid to high 30s. so, somewhere between those numbers. new hampshire, echelon had him at 34 and emerson at 49, but again, even his best number is seven points below his national number in new hampshire. my point is, in the early states people are paying more attention, they are seeing the candidates more, they take the job seriously, particularly in iowa and new hampshire, and as a result, we are likely to see a growing gap between the president, the former president and his national numbers and numbers in the early states as these candidates spend a lot more time in iowa and a lot more time in new hampshire than he spent thus far and probably more time that he's going to be able to spend, given in the months ahead, given his legal difficulties. >> sandra: full on campaign season. great to have you here, and to top it off with the whiteboard, extra special treat. thank you so much. >> there we go. >> john: almost like i could read his mind. thanks, karl.

>> i said you are not getting a billion, i'm going to be leaving here, in what six hours, and said i'm leaving in six hours, the prosecutor is not fired, you are not getting the money. well, son of a [bleep]. got fired. >> the fact that joe biden gave away $1 billion in u.s. money in exchange for my dismissal, my firing, isn't that alone a case of corruption? >> john: the former ukrainian prosecutor victor shokin saying he then president biden and his son hunter took bribes, hunter was on the board of burisma when it was under investigation. justice correspondent david spunt is live here in washington, and he says he tried to leverage u.s. aid money. what can you tell us about that? >> that's right, specifically leveraging $1 billion in u.s. aid to have him fired. you heard then the former v.p.

biden in 2018 in that clip, we'll play it again, the prosecutor general, he was from 2015 to 2016. prosecutor general is similar to the attorney general here in the united states, the main focus on that job is anti-corruption efforts. shokin famously claims he was fired because he was investigating burisma, we have talked a lot about that, the ukrainian energy company where hunter biden once sat on the board. shokin, in a translation interview that's airing tomorrow night on fox news said this about corruption. >> i did not want to deal in unproven facts, but my personal conviction is that yes, this was the case. they were being bribed. the fact that joe biden gave away $1 billion in u.s. money in exchange for my dismissal, my firing. isn't that alone a case of corruption?

>> and you played it in the intro, we will play it again. critics and shokin allies say this points to a critical moment from the former v.p. in 2018. >> as i'm leaving in six hours and the prosecutor is not fired you are not getting the money. well, son of a [bleep]. he got fired, and they put in place someone who was solid at the time. >> the white house responding in a statement to this interview that's airing tomorrow, fox is giving a platform for the lies to a former ukrainian prosecutor general whose office's own deputy called "a hot bed of corruption," drawing demands for reform not only from then vice president biden but u.s. diplomats, and senators like ron johnson from wisconsin. we found a 2016 letter signed by johnson and two former republicans, kirk and portman, calling for a change in the prosecutor general's office in

2016, when shokin still ran the show. shokin was gone six weeks after the letter was written and he was removed by a majority of the ukrainian parliament. john. >> john: david spunt. a lot of he said/he said going on, and peeling back the layers of the onion is difficult. >> sandra: a big interview on brian kilmeade's show "one nation," shokin will sit down with brian, and jason smith coming up on this program shortly, john, a lot of questions to ask him about whether or not the biden administration is, or the doj i should say, is stone walling this investigation into the irs whistleblower claims. we'll ask him. >> john: a lot of questions to cover with the chairman. stay tuned for that. >> sandra: fox news alert, norad says two fighter jets were scrambled after a civilian

aircraft violated temporary flight restriction area near lake tahoe, it happened around 8:00 this morning we are told. the fighter jets used flares to get the pilot's attention before escorting him out of the area. and the flares may have been visible to the public. the temporary flight restriction is in place because president biden is on vacation, staying at the home of billionaire democrat donor tom stier. we will bring you more news as we get it. >> john: we have seen a lot of that in washington, d.c., when the aircraft without a pilot went up to new york and then crashed in the mountains in the western part of virginia, but other occasions when small aircraft have incurred into the flight restrictions over d.c., none of them were nefarious, i would expect and don't know for

sure, private pilot, did not get the notification and flew into the area. >> sandra: always taken seriously when it happens and additional precaution with the president travelling there. >> john: after september 11th they take it all seriously. parents claiming racial discrimination at one of the nation's top high schools. they are taking their case, at least trying to, to the supreme court. why they are saying the admissions process is unfair to asians. >> sandra: and some parents in maryland are trying to protect their children from woke school lessons that contradict their religious beliefs. the latest twist in a heated legal battle. >> we are not opting out of lessons of any of our diverse amazing history in the united states. >> they are my kids, and i have the moral duty and legal right to shape my kids' future, not the schools.

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>> john: a legal showdown is brewing in virginia over the nation's top ranked high school's admission policy. parents argue thomas jefferson high school is discriminating by race in admission processes, specifically against asian-american students. now those parents are calling on the supreme court to take up the case. our next guest is a part of that effort. the co-founder of the coalition for t.j., and a parent of a former thomas jefferson high school student. it's good to speak with you. changes in the admission process since 2020 at thomas jefferson have led to the most diverse population in years, according to the county. black student representation from 1 to 7%, hispanic students from 3 to 11%.

the same time, asian-american enrollment reduced from 73 to 54%. the school board thinks it's a good thing, but you and other parents say it was designed to limit enrollment from asian-american students. make your case. >> good afternoon, john, thank you for having me on. parents like me and students in this county are very grateful to the legal foundation for standing with us. we have to understand that from the very beginning there was a talk, it was racial motivation in reducing the number of asian-american applicants. asian population in t.j., or thomas jefferson high school for science and technology, has 73%, much higher than 19% in the county. and the school officials in

private emails, private chats, and even overtly talked about racial balancing and that's why this case is so important coming right on the heels of the harvard case, it's very important that the supreme court take this case. >> john: yeah, the supreme court to remind folks at home, harvard and u.n.c. chapel hill said it was unconstitutional to have racially conscious admissions. however, in the new criteria, we read through this, fairfax county public schools and thomas jefferson very carefully dance around any notion of race saying that what they did to change the admissions criteria, removed a very difficult test and $100 application fee, considering applicants on income status, disability, under represented schools, gpa of 3.5 and honors algebra, but most students were over 4.0, a problem solving

essay and portrait sheet. the fourth circuit court of appeals upheld the admissions policy after a u.s. district judge had struck it down. do you think the supreme court will take this up? and based on the decision on u.n.c. chapel hill and harvard, do you think the supreme court will side with your argument? >> the district court did rule that there was discrimination and intent and while the majority of the fourth circuit ruled that it completely discounted the racial motivation, that is why this case is so important that we should not allow proxy discrimination because racial, underlying racial motivation is very important. so-called race neutral factors are not really. it is anything but. it is racially motivated and the coalition believes it's a form of modern redlining when you

isolate certain majority asian-american applicants you are essentially limiting the number of asians who can get enrollment in the school and the private texts that were obtained from school board members knew that, they knew that this was racially discrimination, they said that there was an underlying anti-asian feeling about this, i hate to admit it, lol and another school board member said how is this not discrimination, this will whiten our schools and will kick our asians to which another school board member replied of course it will, and we know that this is really the underlying thing about this is the inability of public schools to properly educate our children, to create a good stem pipeline and to hide all of that. this is being played out when

the aspirations and dreams and hopes of our students are being sacrificed at the altar of equity. the fourth circuit analysis conflicts with the supreme court's understanding of the equal protection guarantee. the majority in the fourth circuit, you know, ruled, it said use of racial proxy is not suspect as long as the number of asian-american enrollment does not go down too much. what does that mean? >> john: so you know, judge rushic wrote, the policy reduced offers of enrollment to asian students at t.j. by 26%, increasing enrollment by every other racial group, this was no accident. the board intended to alter the racial composition in exactly

this way. suparana, we will continue to watch this, see if the supreme court takes this up, might in the fall, maybe a ruling by the end of june next year. thank you for being with us. appreciate it. >> thank you, and i hope the supreme court does take up. as the supreme court has said, there is no such thing as benign racial discrimination. >> john: all right. we'll keep watching it. thank you. >> sandra: interesting discussion. parental rights a setback in montgomery county, maryland, to let families opt out of school lessons that contradict their religious beliefs but parents are vowing to continue the legal battle, calling the decision an assault on the right to children to be guided by their parents. griff, what are parents going to do once school starts? >> well, great question, good afternoon, sandra. and these parents' hands are essentially tied in their outrage, when classes start on

monday they will not be able to opt them out of these lessons that include books, like the ones you see here, the focus on lgbtq and transgender issues, which both christian and muslim parents say violate their religious beliefs. the director of the family rights for religious family group was disappointed in the judge's denying it but they say they won't stop fighting. >> we are very resilient and we are very determined. because our religious beliefs are on the line. we are requesting our first amendment rights to free exercise and we will not stop until we get that here. >> the ruling, sandra, the judge writes this, public schools are not obliged to shield individual students from ideas which are religiously offensive, particularly when the school has no requirement the student violate his or her faith during classroom instruction. residents on both sides of the issue voiced opinions at a

school board meeting and rallied outside prior to the ruling. >> this is about the children, they are children, they should not be exposed to things that they don't even understand. it's that simple. >> what i'm saying is that we need inclusion, we need to learn about one another and the way we do that is through inclusion and adding additional materials to our programming. >> montgomery county public schools say they are committed to cultivating an inclusive learning environment, but attorneys for the families who sued say they will appeal this decision. sandra. >> sandra: we will watch that for sure, griff jenkins, thank you. john. >> john: months after a whistleblower at a transgender clinic in missouri came under attack for accusing doctors of pushing sex hormones and surgeries on to kids, a major media outlet is now backing parts of that story. coming up, how it's effecting laws in the show me state. plus there's this.

>> no more drilling. there is no more drilling. >> sandra: so wait, the president's restricting oil production here on american soil but at the same time is giving a boost to iran's oil production? phil flynn and tim will join us on that.

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>> sandra: really important story we are watching for you. president biden is now further blocking access to oil right here in the united states. his administration this week removing millions of acres of offshore drilling from an upcoming sale in the gulf of mexico. all while reportedly letting iran play a larger role in the global oil market. phil flynn, price futures group, and tim dalinger. you are knee deep in the markets, for people at home, we

are still reliant as a country on fossil fuels to go about our daily lives, this is what's happening. they are blocking our ability to pull oil here from the united states while iran's export business is booming. we put together this chart so people can see what has happened over the past few months. we have major restrictions on iran being able to sell this oil. is this a sign that we are lightening up on our enforcing of these sanctions so they can go and sell this oil to china? >> you are absolutely -- yes is the answer. turning a blind eye to what's happening here. the biden administration, you know, they didn't get approval from congress to lift sanctions but they are doing it anyway, and more than anything, this is a big slap in the face to the u.s. oil and gas industry. i mean, seriously. here we are at home, you know, working the hardest in the world to bring the cleanest energy in

the world and we are turning to iran, it's madness. >> sandra: you say the cleanest energy in the world, our oil. iran, some of the most dirty oil that can possibly be circulating around the planet. but it seems the administration is okay with that, tim? you tell me what he is going on, as i say this is one ever the marquee sound bites of this administration and should have told us where energy policy has taken us today. listen to this. >> what is the granholm plan to increase oil production in america? [laughter] >> oh, that is hilarious. would that i had the magic wand on this. it is controlled by a cartel, the cartel is called opec. >> sandra: no, actually, we have a lot of control over the oil that we are able to produce in this country, tim. that's something you are intimately aware of. >> absolutely. we are the largest oil producer

in the world still, and opec, opec has a whole is larger, but as far as countries go, the top producers are the u.s., russia, and saudi arabia, and you know, allowing iran to dump all of their floating oil or the floating condensate to china, sure does not make a whole lot of sense. >> sandra: and you are reminded of this moment between peter doocy and jen psaki on biden's relying on foreign oil as if it's ok if it's not happening here. we talk about improving the environment and climate change on a global scale. why doesn't that matter? this was march 7, 2022. >> we are asking other countries to think about maybe pumping more oil. why not just do it here? >> well, to be very clear, federal policies are not limiting the supplies of oil and gas. let me finish. to the -- let me finish. >> executive order his first week halted new oil and gas.

>> to the contrary, we have -- we have been clear that in the short-term supply must keep up with the demand. where we are adhering around the world. >> sandra: well, that -- that did not happen this week. they are restricting this. the biden administration with this brand-new news, blocking millions of acres from federal waters from an upcoming oil and gas sale of environmental groups over wildlife protections, phil. >> yeah, and this is craziness, right. why are we talking to iran, you know, turning a blind eye to sanctions, right. why are we going to venezuela, the dirtiest oil in the world when we have a diesel shortage in the united states, right. and we are more dependent on meeting demand this winter on places like, you know, venezuela and dependent on canada and mexico. this is nuts. we could be opening up the gulf of mexico to production.

that would solve the diesel shortage. and the other reason is that we killed the keystone pipeline, we could be getting heavy barrels from canada today to alert the diesel shortage and those prices have spiked. the highest level of the year and looking to go higher. >> sandra: a talking point on the right you are hearing the gop candidates for 2024 saying the first thing they will do is get the keystone pipeline back up and going again. tim, final question on the forecast. you i think can provide us some keen insight where prices are going next. the average price, 3.82 of a gallon of gasoline, on the rise under this administration. biden's first day in office, 2.39. where are prices heading from here, tim? >> it's hard to make a prediction. we are just surpassing the highest consumer demand season of the year, that's the summer driving season. however, we are seeing significant impact of supply on

crude production and so it's going to come down to is what wins, a lack of supply or is demand impacted due to recessionary prices. i think prices go higher. >> sandra: and so many areas already seeing above $4 a gallon. appreciate the discussion. thanks, gentlemen. >> thank you. >> john: sandra, the cia prides itself on keeping secrets. new accusations against the agency are revealing an awful lot, including an alleged effort to keep claims of harassment and assault under wraps. >> sandra: u.s. officials say the man who posed the biggest threat to putin's power in decades is likely dead, but did that mutiny open the door for the russian president to face another challenge in the future? we will ask dan hoffman. he's here to break it all down next.

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pentagon and jennifer, i would say i'm surprised but i've heard stories. >> well, john, the cia prides itself on keeping secrets but now an increasing number of women as you mentioned who work at the spy agency who say they have been discouraged from bringing forth accusations of sexual harassment and assault are coming out of the shadows. this is a secret they say they are no longer willing to keep. this wednesday a judge in fairfax county, virginia, courthouse, convicted a former navy intelligence officer serving as a cia officer trainee of a misdemeanor charge of assault and battery after a female colleague said he wrapped a scarf around her neck in a cia stairwell and tried to kiss her. the attorney representing the victim pro bono. >> it's a widespread problem, i get contacted by women in the agency the victim of sexual assault and rape.

they are fighting it with a garden hose, it's an five alarm fire. >> friends with the co-worker was joking, says we believe the jury will more carefully scrutinize the inconsistent allegations and give greater consideration to his version of events, a version corroborated by the evidence and demonstrates their interaction was consistent how they joked in the past about the ongoing romantic relationship with a co-worker. the cia issued the following statement, i want to emphasize we are committed to referring to law enforcement authorities when appropriate. we take concerns about cia handling of allegations of assault extremely seriously and have taken significantly steps to strengthen the agency handling of the issue. >> huge flashing red light counter intelligence problem. if you have male officers who are assaulting their female colleagues in the building, think of what they might be

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>> john: new york governor hochul railing against the biden administration for failing to deal with the biden administration for the influx of migrants.

she is calling on the white house for work for the migrants and more funding for housing. carol, good to see you. i want to play just a little bit of what governor hochul had to say on this topic yesterday. listen here. >> this crisis originated with the federal government and it must be resolved through the federal government. let them get the work authorizations, let them work legally, let them work. >> john: i heard what she had to say, also an appeal for help from the biden administration financially as well. and i'm thinking well, new york governor hochul is finally getting a small taste of what states like texas and arizona and florida have been going through for decades. >> that's right. it's actually interesting that what was dismissed as a political stunt, the governor shipping migrants up to new york, has actually been so effective in showing new yorkers and other states as well what kind of pain those border states

have been living through and i think it's important to note that kathy hochul is no moderate on immigration. she's just as far left as the other democrats. she's not saying trying to contain the flow of people through the southern border, not saying let's add resources to stop people from coming in illegally, no, we need more money to handle the people coming into the city and the state. and if biden gives it to her, first of all, other states are going to demand it as well. second of all, it's really a draw for people, once they are getting services and being able to come into america and get services for free, i think even more people are going to want to come and i like to note i'm a refugee, i came from the soviet union as a child. we didn't just hop and a flight and come into jfk. we had to wait in italy to be approved, and only then were we allowed to come in, confident that somebody would be in new york and receive us and take care of us.

that's the only way you used to be able to get in. maybe we go back to that process. >> john: the appeal of kathy hochul send money, please, 104,000 plus migrant arrivals, 206 emergency shelters, $1.3 billion. in fiscal year 2023, they expect to spend 4.7 billion and 12 billion in the next three years. what's curious about all of this, though, hochul and eric adams and, you know, mayors in chicago and other cities and governors and states across the nation are blaming greg abbott and doug doocy saying they caused this, they are the source of the problem shipping the migrants. but the federal government has been doing the same thing for years and nobody has been complaining about that. >> that's absolutely right and other services we don't hear about. i hear for example, therapists in new york city who say

migrants children's are put to the front of the line ahead of new yorkers to get things like speech therapy and look, these services are not cheap. this is all going to add up. but the idea that greg abbott somehow caused this or ron desantis caused this by sending the migrants to new york is absurd. that's only about 100,000, about what comes in every month, some month higher. what did new yorkers think was happening at the border, what did the politicians thought was happening, they thought the border towns were taking care of the migrants? >> john: recent month, 165,000. thanks for your thoughts on this. >> sandra: lawmakers on both sides of the aisles commenting on ufos. could they be gaining subpoena power to find out what the

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>> sandra: texas ramping up security as a new school year is underway, ordering every school in that state to hire armed guards after the deadly school shooting in uvalde. casey stegall is reporting live in dallas. all part of a new school safety package? >> yeah, sandra, it is. it passed a few months ago. house bill 3 is what it's called, it actually includes several different components, like better planning for an active shooter, also randomized safety audits. in fact, just recently some 7,000 schools were inspected, the doors specifically, and a passing grade, 95% of inspectors could not get inside those buildings. then there is new mental health programs and the big one, every public school in texas must have an armed person on every campus. school districts say they are running out of good qualified

candidates. dallas isd needs to fill 167 officer positions. houston shuffled some things around, and so far, the reactions have been, listen. >> the parents loved it. at first they did not understand why a cop car is out there, once they figured out they now have security they just love it. >> now the new law goes into effect next friday, september 1st. though austin says it is 83 officers short. critics have shared concerns over teachers or anyone other than police officers being armed inside a school and then there's the cost. texas will give each school $15,000 and $10 per student to help cover and roll this out. sandra. >> sandra: casey, thank you. live in dallas for us. >> john: buckle up, america, interest rates are at a 22-year