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chris christie, the only republican candidates who stood out this week when they opted out of supporting donald trump if he is convicted of crimes and the nominee of their party. and before the mug shot, the cold shoulder. donald trump skipping that big republican debate, now robert f. kennedy jr. fears joe biden will do the same. why kennedy says donald trump just gave the president an excuse for not debating anyone. and forget the political storms. have you been following these very real ones threatening florida and the gulf of mexico? pay attention, because even if you're not in their path, they could wreck your labor day weekend next week. ♪ ♪ neil: welcome, everybody. happy saturday, i'm neil cavuto, and we have so many storms and so little time. let's begin with all these political ones that are still festering, and for that we go to al vanned drink ya of in washington. >> reporter: yeah, the national

average for a gallon of gas today, that's $3.82, about where it was a year ago but 68 cents higher than two years ago. combine that with the cost of a new home, and americans are paying the the highest they have in 22 years. the average 30-year fixed rate mortgage increased last week, a a strain that buyers is have not seen since 2001. a year ago it was 5.5%. the federal reserve continues to try to chip away at stubborn inflation, and americans are feeling it overall everywhere they turn. according to the the latest fox news poll, 35% of registered voters this month reported that their personal financial situation is excellent or good, now 65 reported only fair if or poor -- 65%. that second number up 19% from two years ago. inflation and the economy consistently rank as top concerns for voters, but president biden feels confident that his economic efforts are paying off and that embracing the term bidenomics will earn him a second term. >> bidenomics is just another

way of saying retoring the american dream. because when we invest in our people from the middle out and the bottom up, not the top down, we see economic growth and benefits for all americans. >> reporter: now, if you look at that same fox news poll, a quarter of registered voters feel that the white house has made the chi better. that's up 17% from last summer, still twice as many say that it has made things worse. and i do want to mention pew research center found that this summer more americans are siding with republicans when it comes to economic concerns as well as issues like crime and immigration, neil. neil: all right, alexandria, thank you for all of that. i raised this issue with senator tim scott, presidential candidate as you know. he says he has the cure for what ails us particularly when it comes to bidenomics. >> one of the things that you can look back to when we were in the majority is the 2017 tax cut and jobs act that i was one of the three primary authors in the senate. what we did there was we created

an economy that led to low inflation, high employment and $4,000 back to the average family. what we also need to do in my administration is work on and then pass a a balanced budget amendment that restrains the growth of our government. that is one of the most important things that we can do. but, neil, you know this because you're an expert and a guru in finance. so let's just say it the way that it is. we have to grow our economy somewhere near 5% consistently. that would help us create 10 million jobs in pursuit of that 5% growth. my made in america plan that is based on my opportunity zones legislation would help us create millions of energy jobs, 2 million jobs in the innovation economy and millions of high-tech manufacturing jobs being created or brought home from around the world. neil: there are a lot of very promising things you offer, and each in the debate i noticed you might have been quieter than

most, but you, you know, you didn't raise your voice, you didn't shout, you didn't interrupt people, but you did say afterwards, senator, we can't have a food fight on the stage. this is part of a fund raising e-mail, i guess. do you think that degenerated into a food fight? do you think that that is what, something that hurt your audience, the general audience for the republicans who want to be the next president? >> well, think about what this country wants in the next leader. they want someone who is stable, consistent and dependable. what we saw on the stage was chaos, a food fight helps two groups. number one, the national media. they love it when republicans fight. the road to socialism runs right through a divided republican party. and number two, joe biden and everybody else who's working on his re-election. those were the two biggest winners -- neil: who contributed the most

to that? a lot of people mentioned ramaswamy, back and forth. who's to blame in. >> obviously, vivek was probably the leading candidate who provided the chaos. listen, bottom line is that we have to find a way to talk about substantive issues if we hope to attract independents to the gop, the great opportunity party, and have the kind of movement that leads to a red wave meaning we win the house with a larger majority, we win back the control of the senate and i become the president of the united states. neil: you know, i thought your closing remarks were the the most memorable and penetrating where you just sort of rephrased what you're about and what you think the republican party should be about. you don't need this reminder, but for those who missed it at home, i think they should hear this. take a look. >> if you're able-bodied in america, you work. if you take out a loan, you pay it back. you commit a violent crime, you go to jail. and if god made you a man, you

play sports against men. [laughter] neil: and you did that without getting beep or buzzed or any of that. do you think the party has to do more of that? you and your colleagues have to do more of that in -- that? >> well,ing if we want -- >> at the end of the election, we better go where we're not invite. we've not to talk to voters who are not traditionally voted for us in the past and win back voters who have left party in the last few years. we can do all of that by talking about the goodness of america. america is not in decline, we are in a biden-led retreat. there's a big difference. the the good american people are strong. they are healthy. they lean into the next future, the best future for their kids. but. [no audio] neil: all right. he had other things to say, but bottom line if i remember the

final remarks, he actually spoke the least of the candidates during the entire 2-hour debate. right next to him was doug burgum, the north dakota governor, also participating in that debate, running for the presidency of the united states. governor, it's very good to have you. >> great to be with you, neil, always. neil: you also, sir, had many memorable moments there, but you didn't get involve ised in the shout fests or any of the things that, you know, got vivek ramaswamy going. but i found it odd when vivek himself was saying he was the only successful businessman on the stage and i'm thinking of you, you're a billionaire -- [laughter] north dakota governor, and i would have just said, hello. how did you feel about that? >> well, first of all, neil, i just want to say when you build a billion dollar company with kids from small towns and it gets acquiredded, it doesn't make you a billionaire when you own less than 10% of that company. but i have had the opportunity to be involved in lots of big

successes. i've add -- had an opportunity to create thousands and thousands of great paying jobs, and i've had a chance to sins i've been in my mid 20s been making payrolls every two weeks. and one thing the i understand is in those roles the biden administration have got it wrong on the economy, on energy and on national security. and as governor, now the last six and a half years, i've had a front row seat of how the federal government is outside of its lane doing things that should be done by the states or by the people. and so it's the -- i'm used to having people not understand my bio or background. i think what we're really focused on is not about other republican candidates, we're focused on making sure the american public understands what a disaster joe biden has been on the economy. i'm up in new hampshire, you know, right now. the number one thing on people's minds up here is inflation. and the cost. and a lot of it is the cost of energy. everybody in new england is paying too much for their electricity, too much to heat their homes and too much for the gas they put in their forward

and tavern for the diesel they put in -- is and too much for the diesel they put -- i talked to a third generation lobsterman if the other night. fuel costs are killing their operations, and this isn't because of supply and demand, this is because of bidenomics, whatever you want to call it. biden's energy policies are empowering dictators, and they're raising the cost of everything we have here at home. and then if you want to switch away from liquid fuels to go to all-ev, then we're just switching from opec to sinopec. we're going to hand our future over to -- [inaudible] makes no sense. neil: you just articulated that very well, governor, and i didn't know, i mean, that you're not a billionaire, but i'll leave that a aside. i do want to get your thoughts on how you penetrate this crowd. there are a couple who are much more talkative than you are. they seem to have the art of the sound bite better than you do. i don't mean that as a slap, sir, but it just is what it is. does that worry you? did you look around at that stage and say, i can't do this.

>> is no, i never thought for a second. i spoke one minute in the first thirty, i thought, oh, we had a group of people who agreed to a set of rules, maybe we're not going to follow that. we felt like we won the fourth quarter. we worked our way back in terms of the amount of time, and if somebody was in the arena, when we were talking, people were actually listening. the arena got quiet -- neil: oh, no doubt about that. but still the i want to know whether there is a divide -- i don't want to overstate it because, obviously, we have these very feisty debates in both parties over the years and everyone usually rallies around who the nominee will be. right now it's looking like donald trump and you're okay with that,s right? if it comes that way. >> well, i'm going to be supporting a republican over joe biden regardless of who it is. but, you know, our campaign, we've got more days between now and when the voting starteds than when we launched on june 7th. we know we're gaining momentum. i've been in new hampshire,

we've done so many events the last two days here, and we know that our message around the economy, energy, national security is really resonating. and if i think the other thing is voters understand, they know that, you know, these, you know, prime time, televised things, this is entertainment. this is not, this is not -- anybody that's ever built a business or led a state knows that you don't select leaders by who's got the fastest retort and who can insult somebody the quickest. neil: but that's what people remember, right? i understand what you're saying, sir, about it's not entertainment and it shouldn't be. often times it is. we remember the in your face events, we remember comments like vivek ramaswamy makes that all of you guys, the the others he was referring to, are bought and paid for. that's got to sting. you didn't get a chance to respond to that. what did you think of that? >> well, i mean, first of all, that's just completely not true. that's -- [laughter] that's just a ridiculous thing. i'm probably the most

unencumberedded politician that may have ever existed because of the way that we've been able to, you know, get to where we are today. so those things aren't true. and when -- neil: but you would sport him, you would support him, vivek ramaswamy, even with that comment? because that's a pretty insulting comment. >> well, it's a -- people say, you know, if you, if you're in the arena mt. context of theodore roosevelt, it's not the critic that counts. again, i'm focused on leadership.. i'm not focused on trying to see if i can be the the biggest critic on stage. what we need is a leader for this country who understands we're in a cold war with china. i was the the only candidate that actually said we're in a cold war with candidate. and we spent a whole bunch of time on should we spend more money, less money, the same money to ukraine, and we should be talking about -- neil: all right, governor. well articulated, sir. i'm glad you're feeling better. you stood up for two hours, hope you're better. very good seeing you again. >> thank you, neil.

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♪ >> how this federal government handled covid-19 by locking town this economy. [cheers and applause] it was a mistake. it should have never happened. we must reverse bidenomics so that middle class families have a chance to succeed again. as president, would i use force, would i treat them as foreign terrorist organizations? you're darn right i would. is this what we're going to be focused on going forward, the rehashing of this? i tell you, the democrats would love that, and they will win if we let them get away with it. neil: all right. they were expecting ron desantis to be a piñata, that everyone would be gunning for him and attacking him. now and then that did happen but not nearly as much, as a result,

ron desantis got out of that debate with pretty good scores. hal lambert pleased with the results, big backer of the florida governor, joins us now. hal, he survived, maybe then some. what do you make of it in. >> he had a fantastic night. he got up on stage, and for the first time millions of americans were actually able to hear him talk about his record. all those people on that stage, they talk about revolutions they want to lead, he's already led it this florida. he's already done the things people say they're going to do. he's already done the school choice in florida. for illegals, the the illegals are leaving the to the state because they can't work there the because of e-verify. he supported the police there. remember, he paid for police being run out of blue states to come to florida. he's done all the things that people are talking about they're going to do. and i'll give you a little tip here, neil, you know, he came across as humble, and he came across as respectful because that's the way he is. in fact, in debate prep they've had to kind of work with him to talk about what he's done, to talk about what he does because

it's not natural for him to be a bragger and get up and brag about all the things he's done. i think he did just a fantastic job, and i think the american people, you saw it in the polling afterward, they really liked what they heard. neil: did you guys send a thank you note to vivek ramaswamy after the debate? because he ended up being the lightning rod, not you guys. >> vivek made himself the center of attention the, for sure, and that was obviously his plan. but, you know, his negatives went up quite a bit after that. so i don't think it worked out well for him. and, or again, i'm not sure that governor desantis, there's not a lot they can attack on him because he has done such a great job in a state -- the remember, when he took over florida, it was a 50-50 # state. we're talking about republicans winning by, you know, 1% of the vote. he's turn that state into a solid red statement with a 19-point win and winning all of the congressional seats down there the on both sides of the house all controlled by republicans. the democrats have written off

florida. that was never the case over the past 25 years -- neil: are you troubled though, i understand what you're saying about how popular he is. you're quite right, what he pulled off was stunning, and now people are beginning to wonder how is it that this very popular governor trails donald trump by 20 or more points in florida? >> well -- [laughter] again, there's a lot there to unpack, but i think the main reason, obviously -- neil: actually, there isn't. he trails by 20 points. what do to you make of that? >> well, it's obviously indictments, and every time donald trump's been indicted, his poll numbers have gone higher. i don't anticipate these poll numbers are going to decline massively or anything anytime soon because he just got booked and he did his mug shot. it's interesting that he went back on twitter. i don't know how many people caught that, but he actually posted on twitter his mug shot, so i don't know if we're doing op to start seeing posts there, but that may be a signal that he's not getting his message out there and he's nervous, so now he's going to go back on twitter. i'll just say i think donald trump the, when you get that

kind of free media, i mean, literally probably 500 million to a billion dollars of media coverage because of the booking in georgia, you know, those are things that are going to be difficult to turn in a short period of time -- neil: but it's difficult for the governor in the meantime, right, hal? i cast no aspersions on either him or you, but the fact of the matter is that he's been deemed to be a disappointing presidential candidate. maybe it is this personal stuff, reluctant to brag or reluctant to show his inner self. i don't know, i'm not a psychiatrist. but having said that, are you yourself concerned whether he is up to the personal task of personally selling himself? >> oh, absolutely not. no, no, no. he is doing it right now in the early states. that's the focus. you're seeing his numbers go up again in iowa. i feel very confident we're going to win iowa, and then i think we could go on from there to win new hampshire and south carolina. it's going to be a totally different race in six month, and he's doing what needs to be done to do it.

and, again, it's a two-person race. neil: we'll watch closely. hal, thank you very much. hal lambert, big financial if backer e of ron desantis. meanwhile, we're watching some storms that are churning off the east coast and the gulf coast at the same time, after this. t fall's shorter days call for bigger deals. get the most out of your projects by getting the most out of our fall savings now. shop labor day deals under $90 now, in store or online. planning to move? join the 6 million families who discovered a smarter, more flexible way to move, with pods. save up to 30% now for a limited time. whether you're moving across town or across the country. save up to 30% at pods.com today.

>> 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, initial power and liftoff. go, falcon, go, dragon. [cheers and applause] >> end dental insurance ascends -- endurance ascends for the international space station. there are. neil: did you miss that? what were you doing at 3:15 in

the morning, another another spacex making its way to the international space station, four astronautses. jon than serrie has more as they begin to pick up the the pace, i guess, in space. where do we stand on this one? >> reporter: hey there, neil. well, the spacecraft endurance with four astronauts onboard is now in low earth orbit and scheduled to dock with the international space station on sunday. it launched atop a spacex falcon 9 rocket that lit up the night sky as it lifted off from nasa's kennedy space center at i 3:27 this morning. a toy sloth picked by the children of one astronaut serves as the mission's zero gravity indicator. the crew 7 mission if also includes a russian cosmonaut, a japanese astronaut and is under the command of american strawed jasmine mobelli. >> yes. we may have four crew members onboard from four different nations, but we're a united team with a common

mission. >> reporter: this morning's launch comes just days after india successfully landed a space probe near the moon's south pole. russia failed at a similar attempt last weekend. can china plans to put humans on the lunar south pole by the end of decade, and the discovery of ice there and the potential for other minerals is driving a new space race. >> could space turn out to be a dud? sure. but it could also turn out to be the next great land grab. and that's why space is important. >> reporter: one professor says the u.s. still leads in sprays but it's not growing -- space, but it's not growing as fast as other sectors of the economy, and that can potentially open the door for china realizing its goals of either matching or surpassing the u.s. in space by the middle of this century. neil? neil: thank you for that, jonathan serrie. in the meantime, those

astronauts are going to get a doozy of a view of these storms that are threatening off the atlantic and the gulf coast. what are we looking at here, kayla? >> reporter: we're looking at two interesting things as we round out august, heading into the peak of atlantic hurricane season. the hurricane hunters just flew participants of franklin this morning, and we're catching some of these readings or that are coming in, one of which that popped into most interest was the mack mum winds being found a little closer toward the center of circulation at 72 miles per hour. looking at the latest stats right now, we are going to continue to watch tropical storm the franklin as it drives off toward the north/northeast, moving in at around 6 miles per hour. wind speeds up to 65 miles per hour, and the cone takes it just off towards the north and making an easterly turn toward the latter half of the week, top winds around 115 miles per hour. could see a fairly weak category one or strong -- three or strong

category two storm. another one moving around 10 miles per hour heading toward the gulf of mexico, we really have to watch later into the weekend, start of the workweek where we could see possible developments in this area shaded in the red, a 9 to jr. 90% chance for possibly a storm to develop. we're to going to watch for our top chances of tropical storm development, it is going to take it somewhere near the pan handle or into florida other the next, say, 77-10 days, that's -- 7-10 days, and we want you to stay ready. florida, southern portions of alabama, georgia. right now the plan is to stay ready and keep a close eye on the forecast. neil? neil: good advice, all. thank you very much. bryan norcross, you were telling me we were going to pick up the pace here, but i didn't expect this. >> yeah, it's been a lot and especially becausehill -- hilary

in the pacific which is really unrelated to what's going on in the atlantic, that occurred in the middle of this which got our attention with good reason, and that was such a freaky thing. but you know, neil, the strong storms have not happened yet. the atlantic, the atmospheric part of the atlantic has really not been very conducive for development. the ocean is record warm, and so that's been powerfulling systems, but -- powering systems, but it takes both the atmosphere and the ocean to get really strong storms going. looks like franklin is going to be our strongest storm of the year so far. and we're actually getting kind of, you know, we're getting towards september here. we expect this to happen. so on that that front, we're at normal or pretty much at normal, actually, for when storms are developing. neil: so when you get a storm that, you know, picks up a pace right now well off on the atlantic, and a lot of people say, all right, along the east

coast they don't worry as much, but you still have to or worry about tides and waves and higher sea levels and the like, right? >> right, yeah. franklin is going to put a lot of energy against the east coast of the u.s. and, unfortunately, we end up with a lot of people dying in the surf from rip currents because they don't handle rip currents well. if so that's going to be a thing here on our last weekend of summer, last week of summer that people need to be conscious of everywhere from the carolinas on up to new york and new england, long island, definitely the danger in the surf. and then we have this issue going on in the gulf of mexico which is almost certainly going to be a named storm, probably ida li a, and it looks like that will probably get named by monday-ish, monday, maybe into tuesday. but by wednesday it's going to come ashore and all indications are this is going to be a problem. this is not going to be a

nothing. we really do want, as you heard, we want people in florida to really stay aware of this. neil: got it. bryan, great job, as always, you and your colleagues. thanks. for those of you who don't know much about the fox weather app, you don't have it, i urge you to get it not only because of the updates it gives you, the expertise, but because it's uncanny about how it sees weather patterns and predicts the kind of events you're seeing unfolding right now, especially with this busy weather season i long the atlantic. all right, busy time for candidates debating except one who did not past week. didn't seem to hurt him in the polls. the fall aught from -- fallout from that after this. to the fruited plains. ( ♪ ♪ ) it's the best part about this land. and to those of you who hear the call - answer.

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that would have signaled. chris christie was on with me earlier in the week and indicated exactlily where he's coming from. >> donald trump will be out on bail in four different jurisdictions, and if if that's person that we think can beat biden, we're kidding ourselves. you're not going to do that that. he's going to be, he'll probably be on trial in the at least two of those cases between now and election day of 2024. i mean, joe biden is begging for donald trump. and and i think what i tried to show folks last night was i'm willing to tell the truth about donald trump, i'm willing to tell the truth about joe and hunter biden, and i have a record for being elected and reelected in a blue state, defeating a democrat incumbent. i was the only person on that stage who's ever defeated a democratic incumbent. and the last democratic incumbent president who was defeeted was jimmy carter, and you know who beat him, a

conservative above from a blue state name ronald reagan. that's the same type of win i want to bring back in '24. but donald trump won't bring it to us. someone needs to say it, so i did. neil: you got a lot of people booing you, and unlike ronald reagan, he was not booed by many in his own party at the time. did you get a sense with that exchange, governor, that you don't have a chance at this nomination? >> i've only been in this race for two and a half months, i've gone from 0 to 4 in new hampshire. so -- 0 # to 14. so i'm incredibly encouraged. let's face it, who was booing me in the crowd last night? you know, some of the folks who were doing the loudest booing are the people who have invested in the swamp that donald trump helped to create for them in washington, d.c.. said he was going to drain the swamp and all he did was rearrange it and rearrange it so that members of his own family can to do the same e things that hunter biden and other members of the biden family are doing right now.

here's the promise i'm make to the american people, there'll be no members of the christie family in government when i'm prosecute, and there'll -- when i'm president and no members of the christie family who will profit from my government service. and neither joe biden nor donald trump can say that about their families. neil: you did get quite a bit of applause as well, and i want to be fair in that regard, governor. but you also removed any doubt that you had serious doubts about supporting donald trump should he become the nominee. is it that unequivocal, or did i conclude too much? >> the question was if he's convicted, if he's a convicted felon, would i want to support him. i don't believe it's right for a convicted felon to be the president of the united states. now, he's presumed innocent in all four of these cases. and the government is going to have to come forward in any one

of them and be able to prove their case to a jury of his peers beyond a reasonable doubt as i did for seven years as u.s. attorney in new jersey and in political corruption cases like this one i was 130-0. so i know what these cases look like, i know the burden you have to meet. and what we were asked very specifically last night by bret baier and martha maccallum was if he was, in fact, convicted -- and i don't think any republican should want our standard bearer, let alone our president of the united states, to be a convicted felon. neil: all right. chris christie. i want to go to tom dupree, former deputy assistant attorney general. he drew the line, as you just heard, tom, on if he is convicted of any of these crimes. it's a different matter. legally, is it a different matter? >> well, that will be the big question, neil. i think legally is it a different matter in someone who is a convicted felon can still serve as the president of the

united states. if you're talking about a universe in which the convicted felon is actually sentenced to a term of imprisonment, could he be a president of the united states while sitting in a jail cell, practically the answer is probably yes. i think what would realistically happen though in that circumstance is that we would not be imprisoning a sitting president of the united states. my strong hunch is if someday we were in that crazy universe, president trump would not be governing the united states from a jail cell. i don't see that ever happening. neil: will let many ask you -- me ask you about this indictment in florida, it stood out where the former president had to take a mug shot, had to be weighed, all of that. it just seemed a bit much, but is that the way they do it in georgia is and they couldn't do it any other way? >> well, it is the way they normally do it in georgia, and i think that the thinking of the fulton county sheriff is we're going to treat former president trump like we would any criminal the defendant. but is it strictly necessary from a law enforcement or

perspective? absolutely not. my goodness, former president trump is one of the most recognized people on the face of this planet, and the idea that the you would need to have a picture of him out there, you'd have to know his height and weight in order to identify him if he were to jump bail, that's absurd. i think they just wanted to send a loud message that we're going to be treating him the same as we treat everyone else, no exceptions. neil: i wanted to pick your brain a little bit as well, my friend, on the fact that there are 19 people that had to go through this rigamarole, but two of them, sidney powell and ken -- want speedy trials. the president and his people, obviously, among the vast majority who would rather push this off well beyond the october date the judge seems to be giving. what do you think of that? >> i think it's a bold and aggressive move on their part. i'm not sure whether it's the smartest litigation strategy. i think that their idea here was that maybe they could catch the district everyone to off guard. in other words, they might have said, look, she's gambling on a

trial that would occur maybe next summer, something like that. let's say, hey, we're ready to go, you know, in a couple months and maybe by that point she won't be ready, won't are prepared the evidence, the witnesses, won't be ready to put a case on that quickly. my guess is that's what's driving it. but, look, i mean, if she's ready to go and they're to go, they could wind up being the first ones tried, potentially the first ones convicted. it's a bit of a roll of the dice on their part, and it'll be interesting to see whether other defendants take the same approach or whether they follow former president trump's lead and try to push this trial back as far as they can. neil: you know i'm not a lawyer, but i'm a legal expert and i read a prompter, so i don't see any of these going to trial before the election. >> i tend to agree with that, neil if. i certainly can't see a trial against former president trump going ahead before the election. to me, that georgia case especially is just so sprawling, so broad in what she's alleging, there's no possible way you

could try that before the election. the only exception i might make is if these people like powell say, look, we're ready to go in a couple months and the judge is willing to carve those defendants out and allow the d.a. to try her case against them individually, maybe that could happen. but as former president trump's concern, no way. neil: got it. all right, tom, thank you. on a saturday, no less. you're the best, i appreciate it. >> thanks, neil. neil: tom dupree. do any of you remember mcmansions? everyone wanted a a big home? that's gone. the smaller the better. i mean, really small. whether it's really better, i have nod idea. ♪ all the small things, true care, truth brings ♪ and other fees. not at newday. a veteran shouldn't have to come up with money to get money.

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neil: home price rising, the cost of borrowing to get that home now at a better than 20-year high as you can see with fixed rates now about 7.25% and

going higher, what's a builder to do? how about shrink the size of the home? madison alworth has more. madison. >> reporter: neil, if you have the dream of getting a new home which may feel like a long shot at times in this market, you might need to think smaller. the freddie mac 30-year fixed rate sitting at. 7.23% and the median house price above $400,000. buyers are turning to smaller homes. on average, our homes are shrinking. since 2018 the average size unit for new housing starts is down 10% nationwide. home builders are choosing to build smaller to help people get through the door of their new home. a builder in indiana is now offering their smallest home yet, and it's selling. >> we have typically built almost all of our homes would be between 3-5 bedroom homes, 4 and 5 bedrooms would be more

popular. this year a large percentage are, would be in that 3 bedroom size, and we actually introduce our first 2-bedroom home. we haven't had one of those in years. >> reporter: here are some other adjustments they're making, they're getting rid of tubs, only showers to save space and scrapping at times the dining room and/or the living room. like i said, they build in the indiana, but a shrinking home, that's seen across the country. these four cities have seen the greatest decrease this home sizes, new homes in seattle are 18% smaller than they were phi years ago -- five years ago. so you could get in a new home, but you might need to buy a new, smaller couch to fit with it. neil? neil: that would be fine for madison but i don't know about me, the smaller couch thing. anyway, what do nordstrom and dick's sporting goods have in common? you wouldn't believe this, but i'll give you a hint, they're dealing with the same problem. it's a violent problem, and it's costing them and you. after this.

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>> the democrats have been talking about defunding the police for the last five years, and we ought to be funding law enforcement. >> the problem is, is that these prosecutors in these localities in the states are refusing to do their job and to arrest violent criminals. >> went we had -- when we had to two of these district attorneys in florida elected with soros funding who said they wouldn't do their job, i removed them from the their post. >> more cops in the streets who are on the streets able to do their jobs without looking over their shoulder for getting sued. >> enforce the law when it comes to crime. >>. neil: all right, the candidates speaking out against crime9 and the wave that we're seeing, nordstroms, dick's sporting goods would be among the the

retailers both complaining in their earnings announcements week that they dramatically impacted the bottom line. it's costing you more. doesn't dan geltrude know it, he's the head of his own company, great accountant, in order strom shopper, striked me as a nordstrom shopper. >> hey, neil. neil: what's going on here? this is out of control. >> it absolutely is. listen, the pronext of retail theft -- projection of retail theft for 20 # 23 is going to be about $95 billion. could you imagine a number that big? target alone is saying they're anticipating half a billion of theft. so we have a huge -- neil: and that passes along, right? someone's got to pay. >> we're all going to pay for that, right? so what needs to be done here, and the candidates were talking about it, you've got to start prosecuting people. it's not okay for these smash and grab situations where a bunch of people run into nordstroms, they grab everything they can, they run out, no one can do anything -- neil: yeah. and some locales you can steal

up to a certain amount -- >> yeah, $1,000 and you're good. so, all right -- neil: that's a sweater at nordstrom. >> i don't really go there, neil. that's your place. but, look, what can you do about it? here's what i say. if you have billions of dollars being lost, these companies should make an investment into a.i. and other security arrangements. yes, it will be significant, but if you can take that number down, you put the money up front to invest and then look at the long-term benefit that you can get by bringing theft down. look at dick's, for example, right? their sales were actually up in the second quarter 3.6%. profits down 23%, and they turn around and say it's because all our stuff is getting -- neil: do you buy that? sometimes i think it's like you know the old days, you and i can remember when a lot of retailers were saying the weather was bad. they never credit the sun or the good weather.

is so how much should we believe here? >> it is hard to believe, neil, to say, listen, your sales are up 3.6% and profit is down 23 and you turn around and say it's because everybody everybody's stealing our stuff? neil: right. >> if that's the case, that goes to my point, you have to do something. neil: desperate times call for desperate measures, do you see this turning around anytime soonsome. >> i don't, neil. listen, a lot of people have been encouraged by what we see in the economy meaning people are still spending, people are spending based pop debt -- upon debt. so the cover all economic health of the country and individuals, to me, is not getting better. neil, $1 trillion of credit card debt. people defaulting. it's not a good sign, so they're stealing. with no consequences. neil: no consequences at all. all right, dan, thank you very much, i think. dan geltrude on that. by the way, it is one thing for republicans to talk about donald trump not making a debate, but why robert f. kennedy was

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