shannon: i'm shannon bream. donald trump staring down the republicans who want the gop nomination and the prosecutors vowing to put him behind bars. how will his fourth criminal indictment impact the race for the white house? ♪ ♪ >> we did nothing wrong, i did nothing wrong, and everybody knows it. shannon: a snapshot in time, surrendering in georgia a day after his rivals debates their support. >> the conduct is beneath the office of president of the united states. [applause] >> president trump, i believe, was the best president of the 21st century. [cheers and applause]

shannon: all 19 defendants now processed in a trial that, for at least one, could start as early as october. now republicans in the house are demanding answers and documents from the fulton county d.a.. we'll discuss what comes next with one of president trump's attorneys, alina has been a baa. habba. then, the odds of a 2020 repeat are very high, but a growing number of voters is open to backing a third-party candidate. >> people are sick and fed up with the two major parties. shannon: we'll discuss the prospects with no labels founding chair, former senator joe lieberman, as critics insist it would benefit president trump. and -- >> they will not be able to turn back the clock. shannon: civil rights leaders gatt e in the shadow of the lincoln memorial 60 years after martin luther king jr. gave his "i have a dream" speech. we'll ask our sunday panel what progress has been made and what still needs to be done as the biden campaign fields criticism

from black voters. plus, as as russia's war with ukraine rages on, "fox news sunday" takes you to the front lines for a look at cutting edge, battlefield medicine. >> when that patient recovers and looks in the mirror, they see themself as a full human being. shannon: all right now on "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ shannon: hello from fox news in washington. we are following two breaking stories this morning. a military helicopter carrying nearly two dozen u.s. marines crashed this morning during an exercise on an australian island. a look at emergency crews at work there this morning. three marines were killed, five more of them flown to the mainland in serious condition. the marines were taking part in drills with several is countries at the time. the cause of that crash is under investigation. we're also following tragic news out of jacksonville, florida. four people are dead including

the shooter in what the sheriff there the is calling a racially-motivated shooting. authorities say the gunman, a white male in his 20s, entered a dollar general store wearing a tactical vest armed with an ar-15 and a handgun, one of them marked with a swastika. three black victims were killed before the shooter took his own life. the suspect wrote several manifestos that he, quote, hated black people and had previously been involuntarily committed to a mental hospital for evaluation. residents gathered in multiple prayer circleses near the scene of the shootingful we'll keep tracking those two stories. now to our top story, 91 criminal charges in 4 pending criminal cases, there are 3 civil cases looming as well, all sanding in the way of former president trump's efforts to win back the white house. all of that leading to this picture, a mug shot for the history books taken by the fulton county sheriff's office in the georgia case. the former president along with

18 co-defendants booked on felony charges related to election interference. will any of them decide to now cooperate with prosecutors? that's the question. trial dates are up in the air but starting as soon as this fall and then running through the first half of 2024 as the primary election will be in full swing. right now donald trump is the undisputed republican front-runner in every poll, and his campaign confirms he's raised a staggering $7 million since that mug shot was are released. we begin here with trump legal spokesperson alina habba, also general counsel for the save america pac. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you, happy to be back. shannon: you call this mug shot one of the best things that's ever happened to president trump. these indictments have been a boon politically and in fund raising, but in the months and years down road -- down the road, there are many legal battles ahead.

he's innocent on every criminal charge unless a jury finds him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but the maximum charges and convictions if all totaled together, they come to more than 700 years in prison. are there moments in talking this over and sitting with the president that the weight of that reality sets in for him? >> no, shannon, because what you just displayed, i think, says it all. that is all intentional. that is exactly what what they wanted to do. there is very much a coordinated effort, and if you ever doubted it, think about how fani, when she was asked at her press conference if she was coordinating with jack smith in d.c. and the government, couldn't give us a yes or no. that says it all. so we know this is intentionallal. we're not concerned because we know the facts of the cases which i can't get into, obviously, for privileged reasons. but i can tell you it's to tie him up, it's definitely political. the motivation is now under investigation by jim jordan for fani, and i believe jack smith

should be investigated as well, and they intentionally waits years and years and years for something to that happened to bring it now when he is the leading candidate for the republican party. shannon: yeah, we're going to talk about some of the back and forth with the house gop pressing on jack smith and fani willis with our legal panel. but the logistics, you saw the timeline there. that's in the middle of running for presidents, caucus -- caucuses, primarieses, how do you handle that and running for president of the united states? >> yeah. if it was a normal person, honestly, shannon, i could understand the concern. president trump is not your average person. he's incredibly intelligent, and he knows the ropes. he also knows the facts because he lived them. these are not complicated facts. look at fani. it was aen phone call, a phone call that's been around forever that he refers to as the perfect phone call. what is he going to have to be prepped for, the truth? you don't have to prep much when you're done nothing wrong.

these trial dates also are going to move. it's up unrealistic, it's theatrics, and no judge is going to say that you can be on two trials at once in two different states because a lot of these overlap. they look at the start date of the trial, but these are 4-6 trials at the least. so there's no way they're not going to overlap. i mean, they're going to have to go into october, november of next year, again, by design. but in terms of president trump the candidate, i have zero concerns. look at his poll numbers, and he didn't even go to the debate. shannon: yeah. the numbers are through the roof. but to be fair, that a georgia indictment ties in a lot of people and a lot more than just that one phone call, but that certainly seems to be at the center of the case. let me look back at one of the federal cases. there's been a change with regard to the mar-a-lago case. special counsel filed a new document there, and it appears a trump employee there has changed his story. jack smith's filing says this: immediately after receiving new

counsel, trump employee retracted his prior false testimony and provided information that the implicated deolivera and trump in efforts to leak security camera footage. him flipping could spark domino effect against donald trump. there are a lot of people involved in a lot of different cases. they don't all have the resources the former president does to defend themselves. how worried are you about them flipping and working with prosecutors in any of these cases? >> so the term flipping, shannon, in itself implies you've done something wrong and somebody's going to turn on you -- shannon: no, no, no, just flipping his testimony, meaning that he told one story, changed attorneys and has now changed his story meaning he flipped. >> meaning that he possibly obstructed justice or said something different. i don't know. i wasn't there, and i haven't seen the system -- the testimony. my point to you is this, it is very nerve wrack nerve-wracking for these defendants to go in front of a grand jury which,

unfortunately, i have had the pleasure of doing because i'm a trump attorney, to go this in front of a grand jury is a very frightening thing. and they are intimidating, it is not normal, and for these people that are literally the american dream, they have come in, their parents weren't born here, they're immigrants and they've gotten a great job and all of a sudden they're thrust into a grand jury, why? because they work for president trump? and that's what they do to you? it's terrible. and i feel for all of these witnesses including the one that you say, oh, got his new lawyer. who knows what the facts are. they are wonderful people. i know many, if not all of them, and what they're doing is intimidation. so i'm not going to speak to what happened in a grand jury testimony without speaking to that testimony, but i can tell you that we know one side and that when we get our chance, we will show exactly what happened and how the president is, frankly, vindicated. shannon: and that is what our justice department is all about, our justice system. alina, thanks. we'll continue to track the

cases with you. >> thank you. shannon: now to our legal panel, jonathan turley and thomas dupree, former principal deputy assistant attorney general. welcome back. tom the, let me start with you. what do you make of that? that filing by the special counsel says clearly this guy changed his story, and that's how they got to the superseeding indictment which leveled more charges to the president with respect to that security camera footage. >> yeah, it's intriguing. maybe a harbinger of what's to come. you look at the georgia case alone, you have neary 20 defendants, and i suspect as the months play on and a lot of these co-defendants face the prospect of criminal incarceration themselves, they're going to start changing their testimony, they're going to start having second thoughts, in some cases they might flip, they might cooperate with the d.a., so i think this is a bit of a moving target, and i think it's going to take some time before things start to shake out and we kind of figure out what every witness' story is and how precisely they fit into the overall mosaic here.

shannon: fani willis wanted to try all 19 together which to most of us seemed like a very ambitious undertaking. you've already had one split off, sidney powell seeking a speedy trial, and then we have five at least "the new york times" reporting that they want to move over to federal court, so how would that work? do you think there's a chance it gets granted, and how would it benefit these defendants? >> it's like a potato sack race with 38 legs. it's hard enough to do it with two people. and these people are very different in many respects. they're charged with a wide variety of crimes, and she links them all together with this conspiracy theory that at at a point seems to break down. there is a compelling argument for trump and meadows and perhaps others that this should be removed to federal court under a federal statute. others are going to want a speedy trial, and is a speedy trial may be an advantage if nothing else not to be tried en masse, because what the georgia prosecutors want to do is to try to get a mass prosecution,

hopefully a mass conviction. that's not going to sit well. so some of these people said, you know what? give me a speedy trial. so you're going to have this thing fracture potentially along those lines because a lot of defendants, like most defendants, are going to say, no, we're waiving a speedy trial. there's a lot of evidence here, and we need time to get through the it. shannon: and the house gop now pressing very hard on the georgia prosecutor saying we want to know what your motivations were, did you work with jack smith, did you use federal resources which state the offices do use federal resources. is there a problem there, or as republicans are accusing her of this being political, partisan in nature, but she can use federal funds. she could talk to jack smith. >> she could. and, look, we saw i the house attempt this start of thing when the alvin bragg investigation began, ask that didn't really go anywhere. look, i understand the frustration. in other words, when you're talking about a local or state the prosecutor, they don't have that same built-in supervision

that a federal prosecutor would. in other words, not that they're rogue actors, but they can kind of do what they want and the ultimate arbiter or check on them is the judge and the jury. so i understand why the house is doing it. my guess is that they may send letters, they may subpoena, they may try to bring prosecutors in, but it's an uphill9 battle because they're going to say, look, we're mt. middle of a prosecution, an investigation, we can't talk to you now. we'll come back later. shannon: yeah, i think the alvin bragg case can, as you cite, is how there can be a lot of angst but nothing actually comes to fruition as the house investigators would hope. this viktor shokin interview is now tying into hunter biden, potentially burisma. this is a former prosecutor general there in ukraine. he does this interview with brian kilmeade, he says that he believes, of course, he was fired based on pressure by then-vice president, at least in part, by then-vice president biden. but he also adds this serious allegation.

>> translator: i do notwant to deal in unproven facts, but my firm personal conviction is that, yes, this was the case, they were being bribed. the fact that joe biden gave away $1 billion in u.s. money in exchange for my dismissal, my firing, isn't that alone a case of corruption? shannon: and the white house says these are false claims, they've been debunked. and this from if ian sands says, this is a former ukrainian prosecutor general whose office, his own deputy called a hotbed of corruption, drawing demands for reform not only from then-vice president biden, but also u.s. diplomats, international partners. jonathan, what do you make of these new claims by shokin? the white house says everybody thought this guy was corrupt at the time. >> well, you know, it -- i was really struck at how fast they came out and said don't listen to this guy, you know? that always is sort of sends off alarms because one of the most interesting aspects of the

interview was that shokin said you're the first ever to ask me for an interview, and that that really bowls me over. after all these years, nobody has asked ask one of the key figures about what happened. it's not that you should take his word for it. as you know, there were republicans as well as democrats raising concerns about shokin. but there are very serious allegations here. he's making new ones, at least he's supporting ones that have already been made. the question is how do we resolve it. i think that in many ways merrick garland has made the case for the start of an impeachment inquiry, because we're not going to get these types of answers out of the special counsel. by making weiss a special counsel, he insulated weiss from many of the questions that were going to be answered in congress. we need answers to these things, and people need to talk to shokin and need to talk to his critics. but to have the white house say just don't listen to this guy really raises its own questions. if there is a problem here involving white house officials in this narrative could come back to haunt the president. i think it's better to say,

look, have at it. let's interview all these people, bring them in to congress and get to the answers. shannon: well, we'll see if that happens. they're always investigating something, multiple things over there. jonathan and tom, thank you both for -- very much. >> thank you. shannon: could a third party spoiler tilt the white house back in president trump's favor? new worries on the left when we sit down with the founding chair of no labels on that group's push for a third party option. ♪ my name is caron and i'm from brooklyn. i work for the city of new york

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♪ shannon: the group no labels is increasingly grabbing headlines as it says it wants to provide an alternative to a biden-trump e match and that it's preparing, if possible, a unity ticket.

many democrats think it's going to pave the way for a trump return to the white house. joining me now, former connecticut senator joe lieberman, founding chair of no labels. a reminder, he was the democratic vice presidential nominee in 2000. senator, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thanks, shannon. good morning to you. good to be with you. shannon: all right, let's start here, data for progress is a group that's not a fan, it appears. they've crunched a lot of data, talked with potential voters. they say this: with no feasible path to victory, such a campaign would only serve to split independent voters, undermine biden's re-election campaign and likely spoil the election in favor of trump. so what criteria do you use to assess whether you think this is going to benefit one side or the other, and would you bow out if you think this no labels party run would actually benefit president trump? >> okay, good and fair questions.

incidentally, groups like that that have been attacking this no labels exploration of a possible third choice for the american people next year are not a surprise because no labels is challenging the political discuss quo, and in a way, the control that the two parties have over our political system. but the american people keep saying, one, that they're worried about their own future, the future of their country, our country and, two, that the two major parties spend more time fighting each other than trying to respond to the things that the people are worried about like the economy and and crime and cultural changes and our role in the world. so we think there's a real opportunity for a third choice ask that it's -- the american people are telling us on polling we're doing and discussions we're having that they have lost

confidence in the two major parties. and by a large number, they don't want to have to choose again between president trump and president biden. shannon: but, senator -- >> why? because -- shannon: let me just ask you -- >> they want a change. shannon: if that polling showed that you guys were going to tip in one way or another, and especially for president trump, would you bow out and let the two parties go head to head? >> well, here's what we've said about that. we're only going to run basically is to, say, offer our ballot line, a third line on the 50 american states to a bipartisan unity ticket if we think it has a realistic chance to win. and we're not going to be a spoiler. by my definition, and i think most people would say it, a spoiler ticket would be a ticket that has no chance to win and would take votes

disproportionately from one of the major party candidates. our plan is to only run if we think we have a chance to to win. realistically. and, look, we just finished a poll of 10,000 voters in the 8 battleground states, and we give them a choice of trump, biden and a moderate independent third the choice, and 63% say that they're open to ad moderate, independent third choice. now, i understand that's not a ticket, but it shows how much the american people don't want to just have to vote for trump ask and biden. and incidentally, if we run, it's going to be a bipartisan ticket. so not only will we have concluded that it really can win, but because it's bipartisan we're confident it's going to take equally from both parties, so the idea that we're going to

spoil if it and and reelect president trump is just not realistic. shannon: okay. so let's talk about how you would choose the individuals who would end up on this ticket. a lot of attention given to senator joe manchin, former governor, former ambassador jon huntsman. will you have a convention? how will people have a voice? to how will you sect who -- select who ends up on the ticket? >> right. i mean, we're breaking new ground here, you know? there hasn't been a really strong or winning third party ticket since abraham lincoln. 1860. but the last really successful but not winning third party candidate was ross perot in 1992. so here's what we're plan if -- planning. right now we're focused first on what's most important, on getting on the ballot with a third line in all 50 states that we will then offer a bipartisan

unity ticket. this fall we're doing to bring together -- going to bring together a process that will be open where we'll begin to consider what that ticket might be, who might be on the ticket. and we will offer this line if we think next year as the race clarifies and really if it is it is trump and biden whether we want to go forward and and run according to the standards that i mentioned just a few moments ago. and we already have scheduled a bipart saw san convention -- bipartisan convention. think about it, we haven't seen that ever in recent history. a bipartisan mom a nateing convention for -- nominating convention for dallas, texas, in april of next year. shannon: okay. all right. as we look ahead to that, there are three leaders of democrat groups who are worried about. they penned an opinion piece in "the washington post." they say this is dangerous, and they said no labels has yet to say what makes biden a, quote, unacceptable candidate.

bill press writing over at "the hill" in an opinion piece, no need to search for a seven tryse already have one, he's sitting in the oval office. so what is your argument against president biden being a reasonable option in -- option. >> well, you know, i know joe biden forever, i served with him, excuse me, for 24 years in the u.s. senate. i like him, i admire him, but the reality is that it's not what i like. the american people want a third choice. and they want a third choice because the two parties and these two candidates are not giving them hope that the u.s. government will really do something about all the things they worry about, crime, the economy, what we're going to do in ukraine and the rest of the world with china, for instance. and, therefore, i think we've got an -- and here's the other thing, i think people are

convinced, and i worry about this too too, that if it's trump and biden and one of them gets elected, in in the end, we're still going to have partisan grid lock and division. and what we want to do is offer an alternative which is a bipartisan unity ticket. think about it, a fresh start with some capable people who are not going to be accountable to the party and feel an obligation to slash the other party, but will really try to get something done together for our country. shannon: well, senator, we know this group has been at work for a long time, and you have good goals, so we will see how this actually places out with the name and if it ends up on the state ballot, that convention in april next year. senator, thank you. >> thanks, shannon. we'll see you there. it's going to be a great year ahead. shannon: okay. well, growing concerns that president biden could also meet

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history. dr. martin luther king jr.'s "i have a dream" speech. thousands gathererred in our nation's capital this weekend to celebrate dr. king's life and mission, highlighting how far we've come and how far we still have to go. fox news correspondent kevin corke reports. ♪ >> reporter: it was the sweet serenade of progress, but the thousands of marrers who this -- marchers who this weekend marked the 60th an verses arely of the 1963 march on washington, remembered for the "i have a dream" speech, an indictment can of america's unkept promise witnessed by a quarter million people and delivered in the shadow of abraham lincoln. by contrast, saturday's commemoration was more of a are reflection of just how far the nation's come along its journey toward a more perfect union and the fulfillment of dr. king's dream. >> yes, it did come true in many, many ways. however, of course, you know we

are still in the struggle. >> reporter: a struggle that has democrats facing increasing political pressure from black voters whose disillusionment with the biden administration is growing. and for the white house, that's worrisome. the latest quinnipiac survey showing 35% of black voters disapproving of the way mr. biden's handling the economy. worse, black voter turnout dropped by nearly 10 percentage points to 42% during the 2022 midterm elections, a pattern that experts suggest could spell ruin for biden's re-election hopes. perhaps then not coincidentally, the administration is reigniting its focus on affirmative action, issuing informal guidance to colleges and universities that there are still legal ways for them to pursue racial and ethnic diversity in their student enrollments. >> we are here for a rededication to the fight for the future where america's practice will be as good as its promise. >> reporter: a promise 60 years in the making.

shannon: that was kevin corke reporting here washington. it is time now for our sunday group, "usa today" white house correspondent francesca chambers, juan williams, former chief of staff to mitch mcconnell, josh holmes, and penny if nance -- penny nance, welcome to all of you. i want to look at some pew center research. they were looking at the effect of dr. martin luther king's legacy, and they say this: 52% of americans say there's been a great deal or a fair amount of progress on racial equality in the last 60 years. a third say there's been some progress, but 15% say there's not been much or no progress at all. 60 years out from that speech, juan, where do you think we are? >> i think we've made progress, i don't think there's any question. now, remember e, dr. king made that speech in 1963, that's before passage of the '64 civil rights act, so we still had segregated movie theater seating and water fountains and the like. so i don't think there's any question we've made progress. but you can't use that as an excuse to look away from the

division, the disparities on race that continue to exist. gallup had a poll out earlier this year said 60% of americans are dissatisfied with the state of race relations today. because we live in an era, and i think that dissatisfaction comes from the fact we live in an era where we had the first black president, but we also had a knee on george floyd's neck. this is an era in which we have a monument to dr. king on the mall, but we also have efforts to strip black history out sol of -- of some school books. this is an area in which, you know, the supreme court has undone much, i think hollowed out much of the voting rights act and, we know, ended affirmative action. so you have people who are saying, gosh, there's still so much to be done and looking for answers. finish and right now i think a lot of that, you know, when i look at the question of how much progress we've made, you notice there's a political division that republicans are twice as

likely as democrats to say they're satisfied with race relations. and, you know, i think especially in the republican party there's a base there that is very anxious about the changes in american demographics, the rise in the numbers, the percentage of minorities in the pop population, the presence of minorities. and i think some people on the republican side take advantage of that anxiety and it exacerbates our racial tensions. shannon: josh? >> i have to say i disagree with that last point, but i agree with much of what juan said before that. i think part of the issue we've had with republicans in this country is there's a political effort by institutions across this country to try to equate the background of what we were seeing to that incredible speech 60 years ago and a fight over voting rights with, like, a georgia request voting law which they called jim crow 2.0. which, obviously, wasn't. right? and there's just a massive disconnect between recognizing

the progress but also not fanning the flames of resentment and insuring that we get to a point where we're actually trying to work through division- [laughter] rather than trying to pull things apart. too often it feels like what we're covering or, what we're talking about is exacerbating things that do not need to be exacerbated because, largely, we're moving in the rights direction. shannon: well, both of you have a lot that you're in agreement on, which is a good thing, but moving forward, there's more work to be done. i think everybody agrees with that. curve corke also cited -- kevin corke also cited some of the political fallout in the polling. this politico headline says pathetic is the word that they used in talking to a group of voters. in a focus group last week, eight men of color who voted for president biden in 2020 were asked to describe their feelings about the economy. the answers were bleak, discouraged, pathetic, pessimistic, said a third.

francesca a lot of them were hoping for more action by this president, and fay feel -- they feel abandoned and unheard by them. >> president biden will deliver a speech on monday evening in which he'll hit on some of these issues such as the unemployment rate among black americans as well as his support for hbcus, his attempts to ignite student debt relief as well as some other things such as voting rights. but one challenge that the president faces is between showing americans and convincing black americans that, if reelected, he would be able to advance more of these things that he wants to do when there's such congressional gridlock right now. and allies of the president are encouraging him to draw a greater distinction on this between republicans. they're very concerned that not only will black americans not turn out in as great of numbers in the next election, but some could defect to republicans. you saw in the last presidential election that despite donald trump losing, he actually built

within black americans by 4 points. they're worried you could see more of that in the next election. shannon: so much of it goes back to the consternation over the economy, yet the president is making it the centerpiece of his re-election campaign on bidenomics. "wall street journal" has this, they say according to bank of america's quarterly participant pulse report, the cold, hard truth is that life is so expensive that many people are tapping into their retirement accounts to scrape by. "the new york post" reported on this, said, you know, cost for average americans are more than $700 extra a month for a family, it's turned into more than $8,000 a year. so regardless of what voting bloc it is, people are concerned about their reality. >> well, we were first talking about the fact that the anniversary of the martin luther king "i have a dream" speech, and it was beautiful, and it was a beautiful time for people to get together. but we also need to recognize that clay -- racism is real, it still exists. men are broken. jeremiah says the heart's

deceitful and full of people who know it. if we didn't reck recognize it, i think the shooting in jacksonville reminded us of that. so we can start there in agreement with that point, but the question is where do we go next. and certainly, this economy is not helping anyone. bernie sanders even recognizes -- [laughter] that the democrats have lost the working class, they're losing black men because they want to be entrepreneurial and start businesses, and they're having a very, very difficult time. but really i think the issue that if republicans want to win and want to win african-americans and working class and minorities, they need to recognize the issue and speak more about the issue of school choice. twelve states now have now gone into school choice where the money follows the kid, basically parents have a debit card, and they can choose if it's a public school they want to go to, if it's a public school in a different zip code or whether they want to go to a private christian school, a judeo

school, home school,s what is it that they want. and so we recognize there are some places that we can go that is growing. 72% of african-americans said they support that position. shannon: i hope we hear more about education too in the conversations on the campaign trail. i think everybody wants to see where where we can do better on that front. okay, panel, gotta take a quick break. the winners and losers of the big debate this week on fox news channel, just a month out from the republican candidates' next faceoff at the reagan library on fox business. ♪

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under your watch, you will make america less safe. you have no foreign policy experience, and it shows. shannon: former south carolina governor nikki haley calling out vivek ramaswamy on his foreign policy credentials which he was defending. we are back now with the panel to talk about this. josh, just one of the very heated moments of that night. [laughter] i think a lot of people thought governor desantis would take the incoming, but vivek was in the middle of nearly every dust-up there. >> it felt like everybody on that stage had a wrench in their hands, and they were going for ramaswamy at some point. [laughter] that was one of the most powerful exchanges. clearly, there's a massive difference between where vivek has been and foreign policy, even donald trump's foreign policy has been over a period of time in the republican party. she was strong, and she obviously knows what she's talking about. when you get in her backyard dealing with foreign policy, she really delivers. i think that was a huge moment. obviously, i think mike pence, interestingly, controlled the pace of play in the whole second

half -- shannon: very assertive. >> -- in a way that i think far exceeded the expectations of people coming into that. i thought he did everything he needed to do and more. and on the ron desantis front, he's clearly framed his campaign as the other, the alternative to donald trump, but they didn't treat it that way. and he was ail r able to the -- able to actually deliver the talking points he had worked through directly to the american people, probably millions for the first time. so in that of itself, i think that's probably a win for him too. i think the three of those stood out clearly as big winners. >> you know what i thought was that desantis, it was almost like he was doing a placeholder, josh. i didn't feel like he made any progress. and and the fact is that going in he was losing in terms of his standing in the polls relative not only to donald trump who still has a massive lead, but also in themes of ramaswamy -- in terms of ramaswamy and some of the other candidates coming up slightly. >> but you've got to remember the one thing is just about the

time you get tired of saying something is the first time anybody's ever -- shannon: right. >> and i think for this audience in particular, they haven't been at everybody's stump speech. they got to hear what ron desantis was selling, and it's pretty persuasive. >> i think ramaswamy was the lightninged rod, and the center of attention. shannon: yeah. >> it's interesting, he bumped up in the post, washington post had a post-debate poll, but he bumps up, but he also bumps up in terms of -- shannon: right. his disfavorables went up almost twice as a much as his favorables. a lot of people are are asking,s who is this guy. and he certainly made a splash, penny, but with that comes more scrutiny. >> that's right. first off, i was there, there's a lot of excitement in the room, a lot of cheering, you know? sometimes even stepping on a candidate's lines because people were cheering so hard or even booing for chris christie. shannon: there was a lot of booing. >> but i will say that i concluded, not surprisingly, that any one of those people would be a better president than joe biden.

you had eight of the elite. you had five, you had five governors, you had an accountant, a former vice president, you had a couple of billionaires. and although, you know, there are different opinions on who did the best, i didn't think that desantis hurt himself. certain city vi sake got more attention, but he's going to have to answer some tough questions. what on earth was he saying about funding for israel? like any republican pretty much on either side, the sides of republicanism, regardless of where they are, maybe there's a ron paul version that doesn't support israel, but the vast majority do. and so i think he really hurt himself there. but he's going to have a lot more scrutiny going forward. he's a very bright guy, but he's going to have to think through some things and hopefully listen to some of his advisers a little bit better. shannon: well, and he's getting attention for something he said on the video this -- the radio this weekend. he voted libertarian in 2004, then he says most of the elections since then he didn't find the candidates inspiring,

didn't get involved in voting for them. but then he said, i'm using the republican party as a vehicle to advance a pro-american, america first agenda, taking that to the next level. but, francesca, for a lot of people he used the words that he was using the party as a vehicle, they want to know where he's really at. >> he did take a loot -- lot of heat on the stage. i talked to most of the cam campaigns of the candidates that night, and it wasn't actually planned that they were going to go after him. it wasn't a strategy for most of them -- shannon: but didn't it feel like he was going after people? >> yeah. the moments presented themselves. so for nikki haley, the moment presented itself, and she took opportunity to capitalize off of it. there were also other moments that weren't planned like the back and forth between nikki haley and mike pence over abortion rights as well. a lot of what happened there was those moments were taking place and candidates capitalized off of them. now, my question heading into that second debate is if ron desantis will get off as easily the second time, if

candidates are looking at that and saying, hmm, maybe we should focus more on him. team desantis thinks they have an entire month now for him to focus on his reset, focus on his message before they have to get up on the debate stage again. shannon: okay. one of the issues where there is a split not only on the debates, the candidates on stage, but also on capitol hill, is this issue of ukraine funding because the white house is asking for billions more now, and they're tying it in a supplemental to domestic funding as well. you cover that beat, francesca, i wonder what you think because the president was asked this weekend, any chance to split those tart part, and he said, none. >> house republicans are frustrated, they haven't had a chance to fully go over it. both sides agree there's going to be a continuing resolution. there's not enough time once they get back to be able to get through all the spending for the next fiscal year. whether this ends up being attached to it is pretty murky right now, shannon, but this isn't a a situation where you're

not going to see ukraine aid. moving forward, it is it's not that dire, it jutte may not be part of this upcoming bill. shannon: juan, it comes as there are all those spending bills to be fought over in september. >> you think about mitch mcconnell, he's been a supporter on this issue. there are lots of republicans, i think of mike pence, i think of secretary haley, you know, they all support it. there's got to be a sense that if you cede ukraine to russia, it's a victory not only for russia, but for china. those are america's enemies. >> i talked to some house members before i came on, and their main issue is transparency. they want to understand how the money -- where's it going. shannon: yeah. and i think some of, that legislation hasn't made it across the finish line, but there's going to be a push. panel, see you next sunday. up next, a breakthrough in medical technology is proving key in the war in ukraine. how the technology born here in the u.s. is saving lives there on the front lines. ♪ ♪

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that time 70,000 ukrainian soldiers have died. more than 1000,000 additional have been wounded -- 100,000. the war has kicked battlefield medicine into overdrive with new technology invented here in the u.s. making its way to the front lines in if ukraine. and a former u.s. military surgeon is also pitching in. jennifer griffin shares how it's contributing to saving lives in our sun special. [background sounds] >> reporter: on ukraine's front lines, # 80% of the wounds are traumatic brain injuries or amputations. on this day in june, dr. nick lie had just completed his third surgery when the air raid sirens went off. >> the air raid siren, do you need to go to the basement? >> i'm in safe place. >> reporter: every war with leads to innovation, especially in battlefield medicine. a young american nurse named florence nightingale cut her teeth during the 19th century crimean war. dr. north carolina lie's hospital is one of five in

ukraine using a technology born in a north carolina medical lab, a new infection-resistant artery not approved by the fda. >> this is a good size to the repair most of the arteries in your body. >> reporter: laura nicholson discovered this new technology. >> we've implanted hundreds of patients in the u.s. and outside the u.s., and we've never had a single episode of rejection. >> reporter: perfect for a war. >> the surgeon can just pull out of the fridge, literally, and restore blood flow immediately. that that's a game-changer. it means that a lot of these soldiers can walk out of the hospital. >> reporter: this doctor served as the u.s. military's top neurosurgeon at walter reed before retiring from the army. he says he wishes he had technology while treating troops wounded in iraq and afghanistan. >> and i led one of the surgery team it is early on in the war, 20 years ago to this day in iraq where we were in the open desert for about the first six months. >> reporter: he recently

volunteered to go to ukraine's front lines. dr. andre sirico, ukraine's top neurosurgeon, met him at the dnipro train station. >> the volume of casualties is anywhere to five, ten times what we saw in iraq and afghanistan. twenty years ago, we were out in the middle of the desert in iraq. we felt isolated. we felt if abandoned. we felt forgotten. so you can really relate to the way that they must be feeling. they're on the forefront of the fight for humanity. they're on the forefront for the fight for democracy. >> reporter: you think back to the history of that region, we think of florence nightingale, the crimean war, what truck you? >> the hospital's 2 # 26 years old. it existed almost 70 years before the crimean war. they've been doing this for a long, long time it's like poland in 1939. >> reporter: dr. armando worked

with the descendant of a famed cossack general who never lost a battle. >> they would do surgery and then evaluate which patients they could then ship, that they would then move these patients to the train and these hospital trains which was like a ten out of world war ii the, world war ii. and people weren't whining, they weren't complaining. air raid sirens would go off at three in the morning, bombs exploding. >> reporter: he invite two ukrainian den at this times who before the war -- dentists who before the the war focused on teeth cleaning to visit walter reed what they have learned treating combat injuries to the face. >> they're putting faces back together. they're really putting humanity back to together so when that patient recovers and looks in the mirror, they see themself as a full human being. >> every patient is a story really. because, i don't know, these boys are are our, they're great,

they are clever, they are strong. >> reporter: a a soldier was treated with an artery. >> my nurse said that he will not you are is strive. >> -- survive. after the operation, he was in our icu for three days, and then he became better. i said to him, you know, this is your war. you should win. and he said, yes, doc. we can do it. >> reporter: the soldier was evacuated to a hospital in kyiv. >> and then -- they sent us a video when he started to walk. it was miracle. >> reporter: the hemocyte vessel saved his leg are. two months hater he came back to thank the doctor before returning to the fight. >> he came with both legs and

with, i don't know, very, very cool character. i think the guys are the best. and so we are trying to do the best for them. >> reporter: at the pentagon, jennifer griffin, fox news. shannon: and some of these innovations in battlefield medicine in ukraine may soon wind up back here in merge emergency -- american emergency rooms where they can save lives at home. that top neurosurgeon just received a very special honor volodymyr zelenskyy presented him and several others with the national legend of you know presidential award ward citing 700 complex surgeries he's performed that have saved the lives of military members. we want to update you too on detained "wall street journal" reporter evan again cowits. he was pretrial detention was extended in this week by three months, until the end of november. he was taken into custody in late march.

he, our cousins at "the wall street journal," and the u.s. government deny he is a spy and all the charges against him. evan. 's legal team is appealing this latest ruling. that is it for us today. thank you so much for joining us. i'm shannon bream in washington. have a fantastic week, we'll see you back here for the next "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ jon: tropical storm idalia is barreling toward the southeast, and the region is getting ready. good evening, i'm jon scott, and this is "the fox report." ♪ ♪ jon: hurricane watches already are in place for parts of the gulf coast as florida braces for the tropical storm. it is the expected to strengthen into a full-blown hurricane. meantime, texas is dealing with one of its worst heat waves of the year, excessive heat warnings in effect for the eastern part of the tate as triple