biden is too old to efficiently carry on a second four-year term, and you would expect republicans, 89% say yes, that's the case, but 69% of democrats think he's too old. we'll talk about that in the next hour with jason chaffetz. >> sandra: and peter doocy is in the room, but quick, mollie hemingway, you were sitting here having reaction to everything we were hearing out of the white house. one of which was her response to being asked about the president's age, responding on his historic achievements of which she noted the inflation reduction act, which correct me if i'm wrong, didn't the president say he wished they never would have called it that, but talked about the historic turning around of the america economy. >> it's interesting, president biden really has accomplished much of the democrat party's agenda, so they have every reason to be happy with him in

one sense. on the other hand, that's also the source of much of his political problem because people are not happy with opening up the border or the situation with the economy or the handling of the war in ukraine or handling of the departure out of afghanistan, so it is why he has a tough road ahead of him because of these policies, even if she's correct that he has done pretty much what the party agrees with. >> sandra: i know you wanted to respond to the march to impeachment by house republicans. >> she was asked about biden's response to impeachment. this weekend a lot of chatter about impeachment and over a wide variety of issues, seems it does relate to his systematic opening up of the southern border and his own family's personal corruption, his department of justice's handling of a sweetheart deal with that corruption, and then also his -- just, major problems with the biden family business and the department of justice. he may wish he didn't have to talk about that but his answers are not satisfying people and

with impeachment, you can't rely on the media doing interference for you, he'll have to answer tough questions. >> sandra: and the question she received right at the tail end there about covid and we are entering into those fall and winter months, more people inside. there are reports of an uptick in covid cases, different strains. she was asked about the white house recommendation on vaccines, but a lot of evidence the current vaccine is not working for the current strains, working on a new one. your reaction to what you heard. >> president biden himself referred to the need for a new vaccine as he put it, something like this one time one that works. and covid responses like we saw during the first round of covid but now the populus is very different. they are not accepting a vaccine mandate like they were given previously, mask mandates and yet you are seeing it happen. you saw the florida secretary of

state, or the florida surgeon general say he thought if people are asked to do some of these responses they should resist. >> sandra: and if i could before we get back to the briefing room ask you about the original reason we were having you on in the first place, joe lieberman announcing a no label convention, and senator manchin looks to be the candidate, but not fully committing. what do you think a third party candidate would be on the election? >> there is chatter, an attempt to get a third party going. the problem for the third party efforts is the issues on which they are moderate are not the big animating issue, and it seems more like a third party out of washington, d.c., which is not the mood of the moment right now. >> sandra: mollie hemingway, great to have you here on all of that. we will watch the briefing room, and peter doocy may get back in there as the news warrants.

now this. simmering tensions over new york city migrant crisis, a tipping point, fights breaking out steps from the mayor's mansion and another protest planned at a shelter site hours from now. all right, that our flew by, john. "america reports" begins hour two. i'm sandra smith in new york. >> john: at that rate, it will be friday before we know it. the chaotic scene outside of gracie mansion, that is the home of new york city mayor eric adams. [bleep] [bleep] >> sandra: at least 100,000 migrants have arrived here in new york state this year alone. the bulk of them in the big apple. >> john: another protest set for tonight in staten island, the city is planning to house migrants in a former catholic school. protestors were already out

there over the weekend, and police say they are bracing for some 2,000 folks to show up tonight. >> sandra: the city has struggled to house migrants in some 200 temporary shelters, hotels, college dorms, and angering parents, set up on kids' soccer fields. the governor finally demanded help last week from the federal government. she said the crisis stems from the administration and they need the help to fix it. >> john: alexis mcadams is live outside the roosevelt hotel in new york city, we have seen countless camped out on the streets as the hotel hits capacity and beyond. what's the scene like right now, alexis? >> you can check it out over my shoulder, things are not what they used to be when we saw hundreds outside the hotel, but there are some people still coming and going, they get on busses, picked up by volunteer groups and little kids out here,

too, while their mom was just breastfeeding next to me, and now playing with toys on the city streets of new york. it's a mess out here and people who live and work around here are fed up with it. not enough resources and sick of the finger pointing and don't think the biden administration is doing enough, and linked to some protest. >> we are giving them food, shelter, clothing, not even taking care of our own people in the city, the homeless, the veterans. >> and that was the scene also looking at outside the new york city mayor's mansion yesterday, protestors are clashing over the migrant crisis. six people were taken into custody as they tried to keep the crowd under control but it was not easy for the officers. it got a little out of hand there. this is the latest protest coming, around 100,000 migrants and counting from the southern border flooded the five boroughs, people who live and work in new york see the impact

on daily basis. and 82% of new yorkers say the influx of migrants is a serious problem and 51% of voters disapprove of the job kathy hochul is doing to address it. listen. >> i think it should be a combination of both. a lot of pressure is put on the mayor but i think the federal government kind of helps him too -- unfortunate it's everybody's problem right now. >> i'm sure they are all working hard to address this issue because it is fairly significant. there's quite a number of immigrants coming in. >> that same poll, sandra and john, shows that new yorkers are not happy with the way the biden administration is handling things, they want more resources on the ground and kathy hochul wrote a letter to president biden asking for resources, the mayor has been asking for it for months and this is still the scene out here. can't imagine working over here,

back to you. >> john: every state is a border state now. alexis mcadams, thank you. take a look at the problems that new york and chicago and other big cities are having, imagine what texas and arizona have been going through for years now. >> sandra: the other states did not have that first-hand experience so it was not in their back yard, it is now, and it's changing their way of life, their ability to live the life they want to live and now they care. >> john: the last straw seemed to be, and brian kilmeade talks about this, a big soccer dad, the fact they put the tents on the soccer fields in randall's island, the only place for a lot of city kids to go to play outside, that has really enraged the community. >> sandra: game changer. >> look at the totality as a lawyer for 30 years, the totality of all the evidence, you mention are the walls coming in, but the walls have fallen on joe biden. >> sandra: leo terrell last hour sounding off on the latest

revelations in the biden family investigation, recently released emails show hunter biden's business partner, devon archer, met with then secretary of state john kerry just weeks before ukrainian prosecutor viktor shokin was fired in 2016. shokin says he was fired because he was investigating burisma. let's bring in jonathan turley, george washington law professor and fox news contributor. jonathan, great to have you here. as we learn really twisted details that are coming out of this, i mean, what are people at home supposed to make. there is a lot to keep track of. >> there is a lot but the disconnect. the more evidence, the louder the call from the democrats to stop further investigation. it does not make much sense. we have a very troubling picture that is composed of financial records with over $20 million that is being transferred through a myriad of accounts

that seem overly complex. seems like the only purpose of those accounts is to hide those transfers. you have what i think now is accepted as sort of open influence peddling by hunter biden. that narrative has shifted. now you have media admitting that he was selling influence and access, but they insist it's an illusion. how do we know that? you don't know if it's an illusion or not until we get to the bottom of this. and this meeting is just the latest such example. we need to know more about the meeting but that information is not forthcoming and that is why merrick garland and others are making the case for an impeachment inquiry. they are leaving congress very little choice. >> all right, jonathan turley, if you could stand by with us as we want to get to more with you. breaking news. >> john: breaking news now, this comes to us from the university of north carolina at chapel hill, huge police presence there

with reports of an armed and dangerous person on or near the campus. seeing a lot of local reports, all of them unconfirmed that some shots may have been fired. potential people have been injured and the possibility that at least one suspect is in custody, all of those reports coming to us from the ground but not confirmed by police yet. but as you can see, there is a huge, huge police presence on the ground there at unc chapel hill. what i'm seeing from various reports coming from people on social media is that something may have happened near a building called the cottle labs, but again, all of this unconfirmed. the police have not been saying much, if anything, about this, other than to say, sandra, this report of an armed and dangerous person on or near the campus. but as we have seen so many

times before, initial reports of shoots fired or shootings can often get worse than they seem at the beginning. >> sandra: we have an update as we see the growing police presence as you were speaking, just hit, the chapel hill police social media account alerting of an emergency if you are on campus to shelter-in-place. if you are off campus, stay away from campus. we will provide updates as they become available. continue to follow alert carolina for updates. so, we will obviously do that. urging people to go inside, avoid windows. first alert at 1:00 p.m. and then 50 minutes later officials posted on twitter that the shelter-in-place order remained in effect and that it was an ongoing situation. so this is all we know right now. we obviously have video from the scene and we have this live picture from the scene where there is a huge growing police presence, john. >> john: that is an enormous police presence.

the fact there are ambulances as well would report shots fired are probably correct, telling people as sandra mentioned to shelter-in-place if you are on campus. if you are not on campus and you are hearing about this, stay away from the campus. so, we'll keep following this and see where it goes this afternoon. hopefully it will be better news as the minutes wear on here. >> sandra: ok. we are going to get the latest information on the ground in a moment, but also watching the storm, obviously, and the direction it is taking to florida and ron desantis continues to update, cancelling some of his campaign events to do so. tim scott rolling out his own parental bill of rights, an issue the florida governor has tried to own. so what is different about that proposal, we'll have that for you next. >> john: plus president biden finally back in washington after an august spent mainly on vacation, and there is brand-new polling related to his age. you will not believe what

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reports of an armed person either on or near the campus, but sandra, we are seeing far more reports coming to us from folks on the ground there via social media, all of them unconfirmed at this point, but the unc police are through alert carolina page and website telling people there is an emergency situation, to shelter in place on campus and not come back on campus if you are off campus at this point. and again, as we mentioned, you know, sometimes we see situations we hope for the best, they sometimes tend to get worse over time, we hope that is not the case here. there are reports that police may have one person in custody but may be looking for another. >> sandra: a lot of different information is coming out right now. we are looking to confirm all these details. this is a live picture at chapel hill. this is the first week of classes for the kids and being told to shelter-in-place. if you are off campus, don't come. what a horrific, scary, scary

moment for these students as you said, there's a lot being passed around on social media right now, a lot of people sharing what they have seen, what's happening. we are working to confirm those details but what we do know is that the university sent out an alert of this warning of an armed, dangerous person on or near the campus urging people to go inside and avoid windows. so we are waiting for another update from the police on the ground but what an incredibly scary time what is supposed to be a really special occasion this first week of classes, john. >> john: and the campus on chapel hill, a beautiful place to be. this has only happened in the last hour, the first alert went out at about 1:17 this afternoon. you see police there with their long guns out. they don't seem to be urgently moving toward anything but obviously wearing protection, bulletproof vests with plates

embedded in them as well as they look for what may be one more shooter at large. again, all of this information is coming in from various different sources and none of it is confirmed at this point. the only thing we know is the emergency situation ongoing there at the university of north carolina chapel hill. but i would suspect, sandra, looking at the posture of the officers on the ground there, even though they have all of this protection and long guns out, there does not seem to be an immediate sense of urgency in terms of how they are reacting. so we hope that this situation may be under control at this point, though we don't know. >> sandra: definitely don't, and don't know what area of the campus it might be in. obviously a huge presence across the campus. let's hope for the best. bring in joe cardinali, former nypd lieutenant. add this update, a.p. update to what we have learned so far,

that there is a nearby school district now saying it is locking its doors at all of its schools as precaution to this, joe. you have to imagine anybody in that vicinity is worried. >> sure, that's the protocol, everything in a certain radius, on a full lockdown. daycares, everything, on the full lockdown. that's who protocol calls for these days and john touched on something that's important, the fact they might be standing down. maybe they have some rhyme or reason for this, might have been a targeted individual, only one reported if i'm getting that correct, and probably the individual they may know where he is, or he or she is and what the investigation is going too. barring not knowing anything else, the protocol will take place and stay in lockdown because it's an active shooter until the person is taken into

custody. >> john: reports unconfirmed on social media, may have been an incident in the cottle labs or the area of the cottle labs, that's a chemistry laboratory, and again, we have no idea if anybody has been injured here. there are reports that shots are fired but are unconfirmed. all we know is there is a huge police presence and a sense of urgency where people are being told stay where you are, and obviously in a situation like this, police don't want students out on the streets because you don't know who is who, you don't know what the threat situation is, could one of these students be in danger, so the best place to be in a situation like this is to be inside. and also the fact they say stay away from the windows would indicate they believe there is a danger of an active shooter on

campus. would they not, joe? >> absolutely, and the fact they have to follow, as i said, they have to follow the protocol and it changes every time there is one of these shootings. it doesn't change the basics of it, it changes something they may learn from another shooting and keep adding to the protocol. so being away from the windows is something that's been in place for a very long time. so, until they actually find out, you know, what direction this individual went or what's going on with them, it's still an active shooter, and the other question is going to be, if that person is from the campus and how they got this weapon on to the campus. >> sandra: so we are waiting on any update from alert carolina, the police are putting the updates through there about sheltering in place. stay away from windows, armed and dangerous person on campus, we don't know if anything has changed since we first alerted in on that. there has not been an update to that effect. but i imagine, joe, that's because they are busy.

there's a huge police presence on that campus right now. >> and rightfully so. every responding unit is given an assignment, they are going to secure the perimeter as well as getting the inside secured the way -- speaking about that, each place, each room should be locked down and they have that in place as well from drills that they do all the time. so, it's ongoing and it's developing, and the fact that -- i don't think they are really standing down. they might be in one part of the perimeter and have somebody searching the inside. so you might be seeing just the outside of this right now. >> sandra: ok, joe. thank you very much. if you could stand by with us, as we continue to watch for any new information from that campus. thank you. >> john: clearly the camera taking the pictures can only get

these pictures. let's go to chris swecker, we are in the situation yet again reports of either an armed person on campus or an active shooter situation. nobody has yet said active shooter, although we are hearing from reports on the ground people who are there who are just putting things out there to say this is what he is going on. but in a situation like this, gosh, we have seen this, chris, so many times and as the school year begins there, at unc chapel hill, here we go again. >> yes, and i have personally assessed the security on the campus, and one an armed individual, probably going on here as mentioned. stay away from doors and windows, indicates to me this person is armed and they may not

have his exact location because of the scope of the lockdown, i mean, this campus is sprawling. there is a medical school, a dental school, it abutts right up against downtown, franklin street, so i'm sure that chapel hill police have responded, orange county sheriff's department has responded and probably everybody else in the area in terms of highway patrol, state bureau of investigation. sounds like they have not necessarily -- >> sandra: chris, we have another update three seconds ago, alert carolina emergency, the update is remain sheltered-in-place. ongoing situation. the suspect is at large. continue to check alert carolina for updates. sorry, chris, hold it there for a second. jonathan hunt, our chief correspondent has some new information. >> sandra, we are getting interesting and conflicting reports now out of the campus

there, the daily tarheel is the campus newspaper. they reported a few minutes ago that somebody was in police custody, a person that they described as wearing a gray t-shirt and then they said also that that person who had been taken into custody, handcuffs had been removed. so it's obviously a very fluid situation as you and john were correctly pointing out here. police activity still pretty intense, although as john was also mentioning, they don't seem to have the sense of urgency you see in some of these situations that might give us an indication the immediate shooting situation, and we don't know the details of that, but conflicting reports of a person in custody is interesting indeed, and obviously the police could be looking for a person of a certain description, they might see a person who to some extent fits that description, take them

into custody and if they decide they are not the person they are looking for, let them go. but we are in the early going here as always with these things. the initial information can sometimes turn out to be incorrect, eyewitness reports are obviously driven by fear to some extent and therefore those could be misleading. but what we do know is there has been some sort of situation with an armed person on or near the unc campus, and police as you can plainly see there, out in force to try to deal with whatever is happening there on or near the campus of unc, sandra. >> john: jonathan, it's john here. just looking at another report from about an hour ago from the daily tarheel, which says according to orange county fire and ems radio, there was a report of at least one shot fired in the cottle labs, the chemistry department on south road, at least one person wounded. again, they talked about this

person who was in custody, a male in a gray shirt but now say the handcuffs have been removed. police have not yet confirmed that shots had been fired or that anyone was injured, so i'm not sure where the daily tarheel got this information, it does say, according to the radio dispatches from the police and the emergency responders. we don't know yet if that's confirmed but do see ambulances on the scene there. >> yeah, and john, it's interesting. about 30 minutes after they posted that report about a person in a gray shirt being in custody, the daily tarheel then quoting what they were seeing on a live broadcast from the local abc affiliate, abc 11 said the person was being questioned by the police but had had their handcuffs removed, which would be a clear indication one would think that the police do not believe that is the person they are looking for.

so, conflicting early information here again, john, we are trying to deal in facts but obviously you see all of this information unholding on social media and as is -- as i mentioned, so often in these situations the information that comes out is at best cloudy in the early going here. that's why we are waiting to say anything definitive until we get word from the police or the unc authorities there, john. >> sandra: jonathan hunt, stand by with us and breaking when you have more breaking news. >> john: paul mauro, you've been listening to what we have and again, admittedly, we don't have a tremendous amount of information at this point, but the size of the police response would suggest that something very serious is going on here at unc chapel hill. >> it certainly will. and let me double tap what jonathan just said, one of the things we say in a situation

like this, the first three reports you get are wrong. so we have to take everything we are hearing with a grain of salt. looks like a large police presence. the fact that there are some folks standing around is not indicative of this thing being over, it may have stablized and some people we are not seeing on screen are more forward deployed who may be doing other things that we are not privy to right now. the concern here is, first of all, chaos, aside from the obvious threat we are talking about. you want to make sure that the response is controlled. you can have a lot of agencies involved here. likely campus police there, have the local cops, you are going to have state resources, you may have the sheriff's office, everybody wants to help, everybody runs to the scene and what you risk is the thing getting worse rather than getting better. so the important thing from a police perspective right now is for one person, one human being to take control, the incident

commander. that person has to take control, set up a command post if it's an ongoing thing and then start directing the various assets that you have because otherwise you lose things and it could actually, as i said, get worse and prolong it rather than getting better. >> sandra: and just to remind anybody that the latest alert from alert carolina from the police is that this is still a very active situation. they believe the spent is still at large, urging students to remain shelter-in-place, and large groups are being led out of labs, this is according to a local reporter on the ground there, wral, silent on campus except for sirens, police with long guns going in and out of science labs, ambulances are moving now. reading a ver bit from what we

heard from a reporter on the air, the other thing i just wanted to ask you about if i could is this report from the daily tarheel a few -- a new update. alert carolina -- the suspect is at large, urging students to remain in place, but that they had a suspect, that suspect was being questioned in police custody, but handcuffs were then removed. that's according to one of the live broadcasts on the ground there. how do you interpret that? >> that's not the guy. there's no circumstances under which they are going to remove the handcuffs even if they are not sure. this is a person who by definition is extremely dangerous, they are not going to unhandcuff somebody that they are not very sure is not the person that they wanted, and so that seems to dovetail, sandra, with the update that the person is still at large, and obviously one of the challenges here, i mean, some reporting the person may have been in a lab, a kind

of story we have seen before, you hope the person is isolated and contained. what the police assets on the scene are striving for. because a mobile scene is much more difficult, it's a nightmare. you have to chase this person, you are going to be getting various 911 calls in realtime, don't know which ones are accurate and which are not. it will be a break, aside from all the obvious breaks that nobody is injured or seriously hurt. what need now to hope for, the person is in one place, contained. then you slow it down. those the job now, you slow it down, you want to ratchet down the tension. you want to find out as much as you can about that person. you want to know what -- you are going to start to talk to him, right, get this person in a place where they see other options other than going out with a blaze of glory. so you want to use your intel if you want, i.d. the person, scrape their social media, find out if they have priors, find out if there are interesting guns, a member of a group, and

then you want to make sure you don't say the wrong thing as you talk to them. in addition to saying the right thing, you don't want to hit a trigger that may have caused all of this and make things worse. >> john: paul, i don't have the vast experience in law enforcement that you do, but if the police are saying that the suspect is at large, would that suggest that the person has left whatever scene was the initial scene of this, and again, we are hearing from folks on the ground who are at unc chapel hill reports of some shots fired, that some people may have been injured. could this have spread to the campus and potentially beyond? >> it certainly could. you would hope that any updates that are being officially put out are done with great consideration. however, i will say that in the chaos of the early parts of a response, sometimes things go out that you wish didn't,

especially when you have multi-agencies because each agency sometimes feels the need to provide information to the proxies, and trust people they know, so it's important the incident commander herd all of it, and you want a media liaison, one person to whom all the information is going so the updates you provide are accurate. my gut tells me if they are willing to say this person is "at large," as opposed to saying something like unapprehended or not in custody, that does suggest reading into it a little bit that maybe the person is not in an isolated area, maybe the person is roaming and maybe you have more than one. we just don't know. but obviously that's a lot more difficult to handle if you have somebody who is not located and not contained because as i said, that's a mobile scene and that's very, very difficult, especially since as we all know, a lot of the kids went back to school this week. so, i'm sure they are looking at that now. is this a kid who just arrived

at school and whatever reason something set him off. i'm sure they are talking to students who may know he is, and they will try to i.d. with him. and if he's not in custody, they will ping his phone to see if they can find him if they don't know where he is. >> sandra: really interesting stuff. we are trying to get new information and this kind of becomes part of the story if we are not getting a lot of information right now it means the authorities are tied up, paul. >> they may have nothing to tell you and unfortunately in the fog of war here sometimes things get out are not accurate or wish were not put out, but it's better not to put out information as to put out erroneous information. and it's a big school. thousands of students on campus. their main priority is to make

sure the students are safe, shelter-in-place, do everything they can to keep them safe rather than give the wrong information and maybe risk something going sideways. so, looks like from what i've seen, a fluid scene. i don't think right now that they seem to really have the thing locked down where they want it to be, that's nobody's fault, they may not have the information and feels to me like we are in the early stages of this thing and it could go on o while. >> sandra: paul, thank you for joining us, the school newspaper is saying the suspect is at large and urging students to shelter-in-place, dorm or class, stay where you are. if you are not on campus, don't go that. chris swecker, former fbi assistant director, and former fbi agent. >> it's pretty well laid out by paul. it's a fluid situation, doesn't sound like they have pinpointed this person and don't know who

he is. i will say that this campus has been the scene of a lot of incidents and originally the confederate monument and people from the surrounding areas, very rural, call them neo confederates, they come on campus, and draw trouble, other groups, i won't say clash with them, seen elements of antifa on campus, remember aed individuals, one incident i did a review on, criticized for underreacting. so i can see why -- overreacting is better, and if they don't know where he is and he's armed and maybe shots have been fired, no problem with everyreacting in an incident like that. >> john: hey, chris, hang on, we want to jump to jonathan hunt. unc police have put out alert and description photo of the

suspect. jonathan you with us? >> john, unc police have just put out on x, the social media app formerly known as twitter, a photograph what they say is "a person of interest in today's armed and dangerous person situation. if you see this person," they say "keep your distance, keep your safety first, and call 911" so. that would seem to confirm the suspect in this is still at large, that coming out a very short time ago, a matter of minutes ago from unc police. so we have an active situation here in which the police are searching for a suspect who is suspected of firing shots on the campus of unc. we believe shots were fired at

the cottle labs, there are some reports coming in via witnesses and people on the campus about the number of people injured and perhaps worse, we are not confirming any of those yet because we have not heard from the police directly. but this is an ongoing situation. the unc campus obviously on lockdown. we are also hearing that chapel hill schools, and the local school district has gone into what it calls secure mode. it is essentially a lockdown. all enhances are locked for all schools in that school district. nobody is allowed to enter or exit until the police have declared this situation is over and clear. now, school instruction, we are told, can continue, but nobody allowed in and out, and this, by the way, is the first day of the new semester for all of those students at the chapel hill

school district, so a heck of a way to return to school for all those kids. and put a button on it, john, unc police have released a picture of what they call the armed and dangerous person situation, an ongoing search for the suspect, john. >> sandra: just getting a little color from some students on campus, one speaking to a local affiliate there, jonathan, talking about how stressful it is to be on the ground and not know what's going on, and to that point, jonathan, as the picture of the suspect is released by the university so people can be vigilant for that person, when you read the thread -- these are live pictures on the screen. there are a lot of resources on the ground to hunt down this suspect. there seems to be some confusion in the thread because originally it was put out that they had a suspect in custody.

that suspect was handcuffed but then unhandcuffed and later released. so, the information has to get to the students so they know this is still a very active and they are still being told to shelter-in-place right now. >> yeah, and in the picture that the unc police have put out, the person is wearing a gray t-shirt, a very nondescript gray t-shirt. you can imagine in this situation and the urgency to apprehend this person, the police saw somebody similar in description to this person, presumably wearing a gray t-shirt as the daily tarheel was reporting, they stopped that person, originally handcuffed him from what we see from the local reporting and having questioned that person, took those handcuffs off and as far as we are aware allowed him to proceed. so, all we know for the moment, and this is what we know directly from the police themselves, is that this person is still at large, they are

looking for him, and they are asking everybody to shelter-in-place. keep their doors looked, their windows shut for now because this is an ongoing situation, sandra and john. >> john: hey, john, we are just having some problems with our equipment here to get this photo up. so we are going to do it the old fashioned way here. here is a photo from the unc police that i've got on my phone here in the studio. that is the suspect that police are looking for. asian male with close cropped hair, looks to be probably late teens, early 20s, wearing a gray t-shirt, i think the suspect or the person of interest they had in custody was also wearing a gray t-shirt but police determined that was not the person they were looking for, but this is the person that police are looking for. no name attached to him yet but

you can bet if they have a photo of him, they might have a cell phone and tracking that if he's still got it turned on, to see where the whereabouts of that individual might be. but as you mentioned, jonathan, this incident apparently, according to reports on the ground from people on the ground, started in the cottle chemistry labs, and they say the suspect is at large. and say if you encounter this individual, do not approach them. keep your distance, put your safety first and call 911. i imagine the presumption is the person is potentially armed and dangerous. sandra. >> sandra: standing by with us is joe cardinale, joe, thank you very much, former nypd lieutenant. police have released this image to us on the screen, the viewers can see it. obviously on social media, the students are hunkered down and

they are vigilant and watching for this person. >> yes, now the phones calls are going to come in about what he is going on with this individual. people know him, i'm sure that the police have units going to his house as well, and it's not uncommon to have somebody come in and handcuffed and verify it's not that person, and you also don't know, sandra, if the suspect is still on the campus. so they have to prepare for both inside and outside the campus. that's why there is the shutdown outside as well for local daycares and hospitals, and houses of worship, so all of that is in place. but also do a victimology on the person that is shot and see if there is a connection between the shooter and the person and running him to see if he has any vehicles registered in his name, all right. and also have the attendance records to see if it's generic right to the lab and the incident took place or the person shot was targeted, or if it was accidental. this is all unknown right now,

i'm sure the police have a little more than they are letting out for good reason. so rest assured, pretty soon they will have a lot more to say, and i'm sure that they'll have this individual in custody as soon as possible. >> sandra: a lot of students weighing in how they are shelter-in-place, and terrifying, the first full week of school for the kids. and tough to see it happening. and some students are tweeting they are told to stay in place, there's not a lot of discussion happening, and how we get a lot of information, although unconfirmed, about people actively seeing what happened and seeing shots fired. is that interesting to you, chris? >> it is. >> sandra: joe, i'm sorry, joe. go ahead, joe.

>> repeat the question, sandra. i'm sorry. >> sandra: as far as the flow of information, we are not seeing a lot of images of when these, you know, and this person on campus or what actually happened as far as hearing the shots fired. what prompted the initial phone call. we are still vague on the details of what prompted this emergency and this manhunt. >> i'm sure there was a call for shots fired and they identified where the shots came from. with the boots on the ground, everybody is out there, putting the cameras into place, following that person from the point of the shooting to where this person may have gone to, and to see if they are still on campus. that's all being done as well as outside the campus. but there are so many different aspects of this investigation, they are not just going in one direction. right now, they are going in about 7 or 8 directions. securing the location and going

after the perp that's armed and dangerous so that's key right now. the fact that they have him identified helps tremendously. you don't know how he's inside the school, is he on foot or vehicle, is he on a bicycle, is he on a motorcycle, you don't know until you start putting the pieces together and that's why the police are letting out the photo so people can see this person. the people that know him say john doe is over here, i just saw him. >> john: joe and chris, another update from the daily tarheel here, again, these are unconfirmed reports coming to us from the local school media. update here, police confirm that one person died at the scene. two other individuals were victims of gunshot wounds and were transported to unc hospitals. another person suffered injuries which i guess did not require

being sent to the hospital. the shooting is being investigated, obviously, as a homicide, chapel hill police department said there is no ongoing threat, which, oh, and you know what -- i'm sorry, that is an old, old post. so erase that, never mind. that is an old post. but clearly this has happened before, so just ignore that i said that. but i was about to say before i saw that, and again, that's an old report from unc chapel hill police. i was saying there doesn't appear to be any action at the hospitals at this point, we have not seen anything cross the wires, have not heard local reports, so maybe that is some good news, and again, my apologies, that was an old report but in these early moments of these things happening sometimes information gets a little confused. but chris, do you take that as a

good sign that we don't have any reports from the hospitals at this point? >> i absolutely do. i mean, there's a hospital right on the campus there, so if there had been that type of activity at that hospital that would be out there in the social networks and we would know about it by now. i think the other silver lining if there is one, we have not heard about any hostage situations, no barricaded person, no standoff, if you look at the map of the campus here, those labs, or that particular area is literally right in the heart of the campus. it is right next to the bell tower, right beside the library, it's near the football stadium. this is one of those campuses that has a football stadium right on campus. it's pretty heavily wooded so there is plenty -- there are plenty of places to hide yourself on that campus if you were to just decide do lay low

and blend in, easily done. >> sandra: a look at some updates via social media, a lot of students are texting out on their own personal accounts what they are experiencing. one student listed as unc chapel hill student says they are on campus, told the officials, the cops and swats are evacuating buildings right now. everybody is being instructed to ask for i.d., that would be slipped under the door and then to call 911 to make sure that they are real. sending love to all. just terrifying. does that sound like a protocol on a university campus in this situation, chris? >> it absolutely does. i've reviewed their protocol, actually, and they have a pretty robust notification system, a mass notification system for the students and the faculty, that will reach the people on campus and sounds like it's working

effectively. the other thing that's robust on the campus is the social media interactions. if any of the students have seen anything or the faculty have seen anything that would be helpful to understand the situation, they are either -- they would be posting it in all likelihood. it's just a very robust campus in that sense, like any other college campus. so the fact we are not hearing anything tells me we have someone hiding off campus, and going building to building, sta starting with the cottle labs and hopefully a contained perimeter they are working with. >> john: it is possible, a large campus, that the suspect they are looking for in the upper right-hand corner of the screen is still on campus. if you take a look at the geography around the campus there in the lower right-hand side of your screen, you've got

a very large campus. you have got the chapel hill area proper, to the northeast of that. there is a wooded area to the east, a golf course east of that, obviously a residential area as well. so, if this suspect wanted to run, joe, he's got a lot of running room to do it. and to elude police. >> he does, but as chris was saying, they are methodically going through the perimeters right now, inner and outer perimeters and using those cameras to, you know, put some -- some path from this individual, which way they went. i have to tell you, i think they know who this person is, and this person is probably identified from another student, so that's why i feel they are letting the information out as on the need to know basis. you have to remember something, the parents from all the students are sitting at home going oh, my god, what's

happening. so they don't want that scenario. they want to put as much as they can to put the parents' minds at ease, so the students will be calling the parents saying everything is ok and the one victim reported right now, i'm sure that pending notification to that victim's family, that's probably already done right now, so they are just going out there and have to just lock into where this person is, has been, and is going to right now, and how that person is inside that school right now. is it a student, or maybe it's not a student, maybe it's just somebody that works there, maybe somebody who, you know, got on to the campus somehow, but as chris said, these i.d.'s now, that's a crucial part in many of these campuses and not only campuses for college, but high school as well, it's the i.d. so you have the i.d. and you have to present it. so once again, every time a shooting like this happens, they change the protocols and they change it to, you know, update

it and to expedite things and make things move more fluid. >> sandra: so joe, i have a statement here from the governor, roy cooper, i've spoken with orange county sheriff blackwood and department of public safety buffalo and all resources, in communication with law enforcement officials at unc chapel hill, taking precautions, this is a tragic way to start a new semester and the state will supply any assistance necessary to support the unc community. and more from the local reporter on the ground saying the scene is not as active as it once was, they are seeing police with long guns walking between the buildings, and people are being let out of the labs, we had it on the live shot but not seeing, as one student describing to a local reporter, the crazy rush

of officers like before. they could have moved off campus, joe, don't know where they are concentrating the search right now. >> what they want to do as they secure the area and as chris was saying, sliding the i.d.s under, clearing that particular classroom or room, whatever it is, they are getting them off the campus into a secure area to get them out of harm's way if there is harm's way and move on to each building in each part of the university as they see which way he could have possibly went. so the fact you don't have cops running around and you don't have people running around in the madness, means they are securing the scene to the tone they want and methodically good through this and pick apart every crevice to find out where this person may be or where they may have led to. >> sandra: joe, thank you very much for standing by on the breaking news with us. john. >> john: former fbi special agent nicole parker.

and nicole, when you take a look at the police response there at the unc chapel hill and get reports the suspect is still at large, knowing how this campus connects with a small urban area and also an area where there is plenty of space to hide, what kind of response will the police and potentially federal agents who also call that area of raleigh home, what will they -- what will their involvement be here in the minutes, potentially hours going forward? >> right, so this is a very sprawling area and having responded to several active shooters here in south florida, you know, the federal agencies are all going to be responding, the local agencies, the state agencies, and heard many of your guests say, it's very important because they are going to be collaborating, a command post set up and one agency will take charge of the scene but every agency plays a role in this. the key is the safety of the students. who has -- i understand there is someone who has been shot. they are going to get to that

individual as quickly as possible, if you know, medical care is needed, but the key is that everyone stay calm. the students there, that are watching this, shelter-in-place and stay calm until you are told you can leave the area that you are in, you stay where you are, get away from glass, away from windows, and those that are being cleared out of the school and out of the campus, they will be led to safety. but right now all of the agencies have a certain role and they are going to be sweeping that entire campus. it is a huge sprawling area and one by one, they will go through each building, each crevice of every single room, every single corner, every single closet, everything will be cleared for safety. right now the key for those on campus to stay calm and let law enforcement do their job. it's going to take time. this is a very lengthy process because of the vast size of it, but it is important for everyone to stay calm. having responded to these, the

fear factor is -- it's awful. what these students are going through is very, very scary. but it's key for everyone to, you know, remain in place and stay calm. >> john: all right, nicole parker for us, nicole, thank you, as we continue to watch this. the latest warning from police upon posting the photograph of this person, and you can logically assume if they have a photograph of the person they know their identity, keep your distance, put safety first and call 911. the presumption, sandra, at this point, all-out search for the suspect at large, is that that person remains armed and dangerous. >> sandra: shots fired, ongoing situation, the search is on for that suspect, upper right-hand corner. the campus, obviously, the students are on high alert looking for that person, and all the surrounding areas, surrounding the campus, they have shut down those schools, put them in lockdown mode, locked the doors until they get any word that this situation

improves. thankfully no reports of anyone in the hospital or any victims in any of this yet, john. >> john: and again, apologies for the earlier report. that was from september of last year, it was a homicide that was close to the campus, but not associated with this particular incident. we will keep watching this for you this afternoon, though. >> sandra: indeed, and these live pictures showing the forces are still arriving there. set your dvr. never miss "america reports." our continuing coverage on fox news channel. stay tuned. i'm sandra smith. >> i'm trace gallagher in for martha maccallum right now. a shelter in place alert at u.n.c. chapel hill after reports of an armed and dangerous person on or near the campus. u.n.c. police releasing a photo of a person of interest. you can see him there in the bottom right hand of the screen there. they're asking for help tracking

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