>> jesse, i am so proud of you. ofcan't believe you're so great. >> i love everything you put on. you always have something good , on. >> and again, the graduations. thank so much, nancy.nancy. >> and as a matter of fact,i am proud of myself to. >> that's all for tonight. dvr the show and always remember, i'm waters and this is my world. >> and welcome to this special edition of "hannity". now, back in junhannity." e, traveled to sacramento, california, and sat down with the governor of the golden state, gavin newsom, for an exclusive intervievernor ow. wide >> we cover a wide range ofra topics. take a look. right. >> so i write you this pick. got a lot of pick up.. i'm sure you saw as well. yeah. and i'm like, okay, i want to do an interviewas well.ke oh i don't want to do an interview. i wantwa i wa make sure the audience

understands upfront this is not going to be me. i want you to answer and give your views. i would say you represent probably about half the country, your view about hst other half represents mine. >> you agree? what kind of divided plus or. minus? >> certainly divided, yeah. question i mea >> plun, you know, pol we're polarized, we're traumatized. we clearly are in thesares. and we're in these echo chambers. i mean, let's be candid, john. i mean, you know, night your folks are watching you and getting a certain perspectivin r my folks are watching other networks getting shot. we have studies thatorks and sht of democrats watch me. well, including me. so i'm actually i'm here for watc>> too.oint, with the point, though, i think we need more of that cross-pollinatiowen. lariza we need more of these kind ofti conversations. and we need to not just, you know, accusing each other of misleading the american people, but i think confront each other in the context of providinother ong opportunitiesm to address some of the facts that are often omitted in terms of the conversations and topics we choose to pick up. i se

>> so what i what what i see is i don't know how you reconcil e some of these belie differences. now, you either believe in secure borderf ans and law and order and people want to come into our country. you have to do it legally. i'm the product of that. a producright.e pe >> there are people that wantop open borders. you believt ope in defund,ail la dismantle, no bail laws like cities like in new york where the show originates from. >> or you believe law and ordern safety security is ad prerequisite for the pursuit of happiness. you want energy independenceof i you want you don't want any any domestic energcy production. >> i mean, how do you reconcile and i see those i don't see those binaries at all. i don't see itl. at all.de no, i don't. i mean, i want border security. democrats want bordecurity.r sey . we also want you don't want any walls. i want comprehensive immigration reform >> sea want . t comp i want to actually address the issue more comprehensively, just like ronald reagare n did in 1989. just like and with respect with yourselfromoted

with the gang of eight and bipartisan legislation that go t eight votes in the senate only to die in the house, that could fundamentallonly ty this , which is the issue. so i don't see that i always ise had as my position build the wall first. >> you're against building anyep i no, i have nroo probleme with the 650 plus miles we have on border wallave a nes. i come from a state with the largest i mean senate see drille is the largest land port in the western hemisphere. i don't need to be educatestn ho on the issue of the border or issues of immigration policy. >> well, i don't think medi-cal illegals is $2.7 billion to the state. and how many billion7 billion te spending for uncompensated care people end up in the emergency. i ask you the back end, wasting taxpayer money. why is it wrong to just demandar if you want to come to this t country, obey our lawshi, respet our borders, respect our sovereignty, apply to come in and we can expedite the application. the latter part. now you're having a conversation. this is where i think the vast majority o is whenf america. that's why i'm here.

well, that's the point here in bringing us together. and that was the point of the comprehensiv that is e reform. >> where's congress? i mean, i'll get look, you can criticize biden alwherl the tim. >> biden's border crisis. i watch 24/7 surround soundn. anger around that.it >> i get it.ean: wait a minute. in three years, he will allow over seven and a half million people illegally into this country y. >> you have to see there's something wrong with that. no, i do. and i see there's somethin that. ig right with what he's done. >> post title 42, a 70% reduction, taking a lot of the core tenants that the previous administratiotenetn use. he's now being sued by the left, not just being applauded i certainly by the right. >> that said, here's what'snl missing. ha >> the conversation. you just, you know, just suggest that we should be havinyou just wg around dealg with asylum seekers and backlogs and updatin g modernizing our visas and addressing a pathway that ronald reaga n himself hav acknowledged. >> let me ask you before this. things are missing. should we have background checks in the middle of t a pandemic, health checks we did. shouldhe pandemic, have means tt the people that enter this country are not goin goingg to n

financial burden on the american people. we prioritize alread oamericy with certain we prioritize with stem. we prioritize with visas alread m, we pry prioritize, give a fre college education, and $2.7d billion of taxpayer dollars in california to medi-cal.r >> and that's for illegal immigrants only.g the and we're spending the money already. i know everybody on the righmoyt can't stand sanctuary policy. >> i understand that rudy giuliani, by the way, trump's olentury policd attorney, was ae proponent of sanctuary policy. u i didn't know that. actually said it could be a healthier, safer and heaargument more educated actually made those arguments. but he was governor a rather mayor of new york. it's the cards that are dealt in the absence of comprehensivwe reform. i'm all for comprehensive reform. i'm for background checks. i'm for addressinghensive refory in all its forms and manifestations, not just walls. i'm addressing i'm ad legal pathway. >> i'm actually wanting to address all of these issuesi' ,but i want to do it in aration rational way and not just bastardize the conversatioaln as exclusively about the border. okay. >> sean:e pile of stuff,re

the exact federal law that prohibits. t deci now there are two court decisions that you might be able to citsi might be is the the trump lawsuit that was in the ninth circuit. the other is some wording. c.and in one opinion that juste scalia gave some years back. obut for the it is unambiguous when you read the 18 year codei as it relates to entering the country, that you've got you o so legally by by character izing the stateg as sanctuary. are you therthe e violating fedl law, the laws that are on the books and that our own constitution states very unequivocally that in fact you should be followinlly thatg sanctuary policies have beenn on the books for decades. >> cities, democratic citiesthe led cities in the past, democratic states. clearles in thy more modern conr around dealing with reality. the cards that are dealt. you want people that are victims of crimee victim to. and report those crimes. that's the purpose of

sanctuary. you want a kid be educated that's here regardless of regae. y got her you want that kid educated, you want to take care of someone that's an emergencgod ty and not have them concerned that they're going to be deported by a nurse. the poinint is you deal with reality. but look, i stipulate i'm to get rid of those those protections by doing the work of actually coming together as a nation across our difference s and support comprehensive reform and modernizs and sue our asylum and modernize our immigration system. , this issue will only get worse. it's not just a border issue. >> it's seven and a halfop million people under joe biden will illegallyle enter this country in three years of his presidency. to me, that's unconscionableunfr that's unfair to the american people. that's unfair to the states, includinesg your state. that's unfair to border states like texas. but here's what i want to just pause a second and ask you a really seriousa second question. >> i don't think biden isbiden

mentally, physicallyis capable f being the president of the united states. hang on. i suspect if i toosuspk your phc and i took a look at it, not that i believe in privacy. i would never do thai belit. t i would bet on a daily basis that there are people urging you to run for run president and primary him. >> am i wrong in my assumption my phone's been lighting up how well he did with the u.k. prime minister. >> my phone let up and how he's not . that's a nice talk. mccarthy on the desk, your phone light up, phone lights up with republican friends saying, you know what? despite all ofu kn the rhetoric these bipartisan bills, he keeps passing on infrastructurthe and the chis and science act, the bipartisan work he did on gun legislation, infrasreform and around the debt ceiling make me feel maybe he's done a little bit betterha job than that wasn't my question. >> ah, doeonquestion.s your ligp with gavin? you need to get in this primary. he's not ablgavin, you have e t. he's not up to the job. look, there's everybody has

their quiet chatter and everybody's out there i haing for america. i'm rooting for our president. i have great confidence in his. i don't i don't want himonfidenc to fail to accomplish. i think his policies are failin g. chip at science act. you oppose that? i will tell you, on everyro measure from the economy, inflation borders, energy,lation national security,, he's missig in action. let's talk about them in order to hang on. i wait, but i want to challenge the premise. you said the economy, 13.1s million jobs. he's created more. s. se are post-covid job you know that. that's an artificial number. no, no. >> let meas auster stipulate this as an as an opportunity to engage civillycil on. >> okay. fair point. your president, donald trumpy. int., lost 2.6 million jobs during his four years. we'v lost e created 13.1 may find creat you can maintain a covered frame. edhow about the fact thatd more joe biden's created more jobs, e six times more jobs than the previous job three republicr president, joe biden? are you going to tell me thaesit average family where we have two thirds of americans now

livingtwo-th paycheck to paychet was 70% under trump. >> shat was to 70% under donald trump, living paycheck had the lowest unemployment rate for every demographic we have the lowest unemployment in history. and you and i are living with the lowest unemploymente ar in our lifetimes and help make the demographic and the economy like unemployment's record low under joe biden. >> okay. we had a historic low after historic low under donald trump. donaldo d thei trump i mean, hes why. but he's got i don't want to have trump's cloc k biden in terms of the progress on job creation, you look at what he's done on jobs, would you gradee e joe biden's presidency? you're at odds with thn'esencee american people and the democratic party. i'm just dealing with your facts. you dealing with the facts just what is your grade? i'm going to go back. let's talk. you brought up six. well, you go somt to answer some questions. i'm answering the ones in order. you messed up the econom aringi> on the economy. let's talk about the economy. give me an inflation stubbornth around the globe. let's let's. but let's talk about inflation. it's dowe n 40% since last summer, ten months in a row,

4.9%. he was just with the u.k. primet ministerh at 6.9%.ime mi is that because of biden's? i think his economicni and eneri policies directly impacted the u.k. is inflation. noci>> infla, i aware the fact t france is 5.5% or germany's at six. >> you're not inflation we're moving in th.e are right direct. >> on the issue of the border security of heritage 1.4% inflation. it went up to a 40 year high, a 40 year high fully globally because you just brought upyo you were making an excuse forcue trump's dismal jobs record dueec to covid, wasn't it? he was runningor covid's relationship to inflation globally. >>d by the way, covid and immigration impacting our inflatio s n. are we >> let me stop you. all right. so i would assume that's me getting annoyed. and i here's the problem that joe biden has. you re you're fighting, you're battling, you're articulate. we could sit here battlie for 3, probably have a beer or two in the middle of thisd have a and n keep going. here's the problem.

you're your president can't have this conversation. he's not capable of itconver. now, my question is a seriousio one. all right. okay. is joeus up to the job of being president? and as a little reminder, take a look at your president and the monitor. and there's an awful lot of stories that are told probably e much apocryphal about a guy, the former prime minister like ,i think parts of that anyway, wandering around at three in the morning. >> winston churchill, by the way, i met with the who, those guys that fly over shortly. you heard him having and the chair for mozart for richer for muslim athletes like kareem, alger alger. i abdul-jabbar. and i mispronouncingth that so i'm trying to think ofe the last words the last placela i wast phard ts it's hard to ke >> i was i mean yeah you're right ireland matter was

80 8% he should do too much. too much like that guy who led the revolution. it guy is only the guy who ispr the prime minister. mii don't. he said you got to be less like a military guy. they shot higum. >> god bless you all. let's go, let's go. let's look. lid. ean: a >> let's get it done.ndu and then you got joe biden is having a hardhave time standa up. >> take a look a loot thatk at . i want you to tell me thatee you think he is cognitively strong enough to this countrycon against china, russia, iratrn, o north korea and a new axis of evil. and that he's the guy he cannoth articulate the economyat, the wy you just did. >> yeah, but i don't think he's capable. i know't t capable. i see results. i've seen a masterclass results the last few years. you don'esults.t see the resulte on the chips act.

you don't see the results on the infrastructure and infrastructuresults on weeky week for years. >> so importing them all from taiwan is about to be taken over by china. we had $4 billion proof point just here in californiusa with applied materials bringing semiconductor investment back here in the state of california. semiconduc i'm going to talk about real results, but bipartisan results, real resultultss, jobs programs,, the ira, i know you don't like it. i mean, hundredsprog of billiona dollars in green energy investment, mostly in red ndmostlystates, you're biggest beneficiary of the ira raise taxes on a strugglinbiggest g b: coal, pensions and, quote,as, pa taxes. corporations. corporations don't pay taxestie they pass the cost on to consumers. that's all they do on to consum >> you know that on the issue of energy independence, i think it was your second of the list of items you thinkofit ems.is cognitively strong enougo to be president. conversations them all the time. yes. >> you do.ationsu whatesident? i'm dead serious about that. i've come i've talked to him when he's been overseas. been i've been in air force one, marine one. i've been in the limo with him. i'vean i've time with him.

they never answered my question directly. how many times is your phone pinging a day? people saying you need to get ge agreerace becaused with me that he's not up to the job. >> i would say i see what you see. >> where are you going with that? i'm asking. no and i'm not answering under any circumstances. would you get in? there's no any, no, none. i look, i really am. i think he's a man o f decency and character. i'm really proud of the president. i'm proud of what he's accomplished. strong enough to bf thident. >> lesident. >> that's a strong enough about what he just did. mccarthy he rak whatn circles. >> i look at the vote card i just got i want to go to fort . but exactly. kevin got played by thely i'esident, united states. >> i'm for results. i'm for results. i don't think the american people benefit. i like the plan that would have saved 4.8 trillion. all right. no e bew so we're at a point i thik you are far more articulate, far more versed, far more energetitec. i'm just i have this theory that people are going to come calling because i don't in yourt party, they think he's the guy. >> that's my my thought. isi now i've got a buddy have

well, i don't want to make this an argument i want you to explain because my argumeni want to you is conservative policies work. >> you i don't care if don't it's ronald reagan. i don't care if it's newt gingrich'sif contract. i don't care if it's donald trump's four years as president. i believ e his policiesrength are peace through strength, worth building up our military, buildingup a wall, enforcing law and order, energy independencee ,which biden gave up, which you didn't bring up. upylet me which i'm happup to direct. let me show you a list of s corporate headquartersean: i tht are leaving your state in droves. >> well, let's bring in i look forward to having this conversation. i'm well aware corporate headquarters are leaving. >> look at san francisco in particular. they're closint san frrticularge they can't keep their product in the store because they're getting robbedause the. >> i got another one for you. seasonally adjusted businession. applications, you always bring up florida. i compared you to florida. i thinring up a, i k you have a higher population of i'm not mistaken, significantly higher.

wh bettersinessing in business formula? we'll have to take a look at that and more. >>you take a look. i'm happy and i'm happy. looking forward. how many more of these you havwe let's go about am on let's do bring them all on let's have this conversation. okay let me ask this is a tought question for you. ques will be will. in let's find out. all right. so you're the first governor in historthgoverny that has had a t migratioy n out of the golden state. >> go west, young man. yeah. yeah, i lived here.s. i lived here five years. horace greeley. i was the poorest guy in santa a barbara at the time. y 80.athrae earl if you look at. i want you to really look at this. yeah. and explain the year 2021 and 2022. yeah. why? florida is taking in nearly a thousand people a day and you're losin g 800 people athey day. they're leaving. tegl me why they're leavin arev. your state. >> so we'll stop at three. or you want to do the whole. no, no, we'll just d answer

>> one of the 18 states. 18 states had declinespulati in population. >> california's was 0.3%. you didn't bring up any ofon the red states that had the kind of populations. it's an interesting factd states , and idon't don't see it on here. >> an interesting admitted facst . what's that? per capita, more floridians moved to californi a than california is moving to florida that i don't imagine, is in one of your eight slides. >> let me take another stab at thise anothe in 2021, californi% of gdp, gdp in this country, one of the fastest growing economies anywhere on planetrowt earth. this state continues to be the temple of the american economntinuee thy. my. 25.6% of all american jobs came from this state in april. in the last two fiscal years, we enjoyed $177.7 billion in operating surpluses on our way to be the fourth largest economy. eat your heart out. germany in the world, numbernumr one in r&d, venture capital. omore scientists, researchers,r more nobel laureates, more patents emanatinges out of this state than any other state

in america. with all due respect other statd doesn't even come close. eat your heart out. texas. californiase continues to be the dominant economic engine for the. >> i promised you before this interview i would let you give full answers. that's a full thank you. okay, now i'm going to challenge it. good. now i'm and the challenge is, ih is the first time in the history of the statee thatthe i you've lost population. >> yes. the first time right nowrst time i'm going to give you another sheet here. and this is about incomer tax. write your state. income tax is 13.3% atest numb the highest number. i also did more diggin.g. the top 1% of californians pay 50% of that total income tax bill. th yeah, wel taxl, he has rough. >> yeah, that's redistribution of wealth, isn't it? it well, it's progressivs ree ta policy. now look at yours. 13.3. what does florida what does that sayn:does flo so zero? >> well, it's factually untrue. it's not zero and they have zero the top one while the top1% 1% pay pay. >> look here here you're promoting your shores.

is that is that alive? no. let's here's what you're promoting. you're promoting regressive tax policy. we don't believe in regressive tax policy. you're promoting one component of entire taressive policieso not believe.x, the 1%d thth all due respect, you and i may pay the 1%. the vast majority of people watching don't you pay more taxes in states like texas from the middle class thanornia. you do in states like california right now? >> hold on. no, no, no. this is we have too many of the american people know this. >> we have the highest taxth pet ratet ta for the 1%. but middle class familiex she actually pay less than the majority of states in america. in californi ana. ric >> so who are you for?e yo so who are you fighting for? ghting fi am for. i'm just wondering, because i have homest wo in. >> yeah. and pay a lot of property tax. they're double what you pay in california, i would think. well, i say except i f you addmillio the millionairnae property tax a that you've just put in l.a. county, that's a transfer tax. and we didn't do that on our taxes like a half a billion dollars. i don't know if you can get half. >> sure. and so you're telling me the loss of net population,

18 states, we were number 0.4es in this number here,. 13.3%. >> now, the every californian also hadever not for a decade d right? >> you supported it for a decade. the public actually initiated it was supported by the public. >> but the point is florida has zero. the net popular growth hang on, florida is almost 8%. s it's almost 1000 people a day. and you're 100 people in a state. >> hey, my question is this thd to that no, i respect your audience too much to let them be misled on thisoo . >> the audience is alive in that rare if i know this is a lie. you're a >> sea manipulating some fundamental facts. you're omittinanipulatg the fact the vast majority of people do not live in the 1% you're talking about , the 1% tax, 1% pays half of it.tax. >> yeah, i understand that.o no >>li but i'm talking about the american people don't live e and when we come back, i asked governor newsom about the homeless crisis in a state. >> that and much more as weat t

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the with the brand name narcan will have a retail price of about $45. the fda approved the drug in march. this is due to the rise of record high deaths from opioid overdoses driven by powerful synthetic drugs like fentanyl. i'm jackie ibanez. now back to the hannity special . now. >> so i asked governor gavin newsom about the out of control homeless crisis that crisis is consuming the state of california and the lengthy liset of businesses. that's right. whose headquarters are leaving san franciscf terso and the resf the state. >> take a look. so with a declinin g population, it is no secret that americans are now fleeing drlifornia in droves despite its vast natural resources. greaast, beautiful coastline. now california is shrinking rapidly. >> but it's not just people. businesses also are leaving the state. look at this. according to one cbs report,accd

a 65,000 have left since 1990. and that exodus continues to this da1990.y and is especiae palpable in san francisco. y pathe city's famed union squas neighborhood is now quickly turninqug a ghost town with 19 major store closures sincet s 2020. so what's going on in the golden state going? and will the state's governor take any responsibility? here's pars governake any witwo of my interview with governor gavin newsom. sk t >> let me ask about quality of life issues. when you have these back,i wi by the way. >> i'm well aware of these. i think if you pute yo. them ard the governor's mansion, this is going to be a classic interview. you know, listen, it may seemee, and you're very i appreciate your passion for your state. i love it. i appreciate the fac statet yout for the things you believe it down. you know, and this goe issis back to the original premise of not only this discussion because this really is a friendly sion bec discussion.no no, i know there's there's no personal animus between us. betweeit's just i don't agree

with your views. >> you're good at givingd reasoned rationale for losing population and higher state income tax. and now i'm going to askgoing to you about the homeless population. we have stores now in san francischomeless populo becausey and grab robberies. >> they're leaving. yeah. you know, walgreen's has one. i think target is the other is at least three. >> whole foods is another. you're leavingwhole san francit >> okay. soio my question to you is between taxes, bureaucracy, , homelessness and the homeless, numbers are not good for you in your state. >> personal knowledge and no, and i wouldn't compare ourselves to anyone. >> it's a disgrace. the homelessa issuedisgra in 2. you had a ten year plan. yeahmeless i, i got the tape. let me play it for you. do it, san francisco. we believe fundamentally that fa food solves hunger, that sheltersme solve sleep, and that housing solves homelessness. and if we're going to solve

the problem of those that are ou out ot on the streets th. define as homeless, we better anlve the housing problem if we're going to have an impact. and that's why we established framework, what we call a tenyep year plan to end chroniclaessnes homelessness in san francisco. >> okay, now here wen franci ar. you want to know the results after ten years? okay, here's comparison. >> no, i don't need to look at my charts. i know charts. chartsi know the charts. i know these charts so well.ten after ten years, we reducedye the street by 33%.y popula you know what? i'm proud of? the fact we established the goal b . with we did it with the with the bush administration, with republicans. we admini did it with a framework. what we actually identified by george w bush as one of the leaders in terms of establishing not only a framework of a plan, but delivering on what we promoted and promise. and i agree with you. you know, michaelangelnd promiot best the biggest risk in life is not that we aim to low and reach its way into high and miss it rather the opposite. my point being, we have to be audacioumy point being is, and e actually made progress. this has not made progress

in the last two decades as it relates to homelessness. >> why? because housing are too high. our regulatory thickets are too problematic. localism has been too impactful, meaning people locally a pushingusing st back against new housing starts and construction. i've been here for i can't make up for the fact in 2005 we hadve an historic number of homeless under republican, and right now there's 171,000 in oc o disgracefukal and all right i'll compare to florida at 26,000 of course. same weather, similar state.both i mean i've lived the growth dynamics are very different.en >> that said, we own thit.sefen sean i'm not i'm not here defending. but here'sding sean: the differ. >> you're going to build 1200 homes this year. >> sad that's not true. >> you have a proposal, got 60 8000 people off the streets last year. and by the way that's been politifact, 68,000. we had we had over $15.3 billion homeless plan when i got here was hal f $1,000,000,000. the state of california was not involved in the homeless issue. we got.was noted in th involvedt we're holding cities and counties accountable. i'm suing cities and not producing housing.

housing. we actually have a 15 year high, a new housing starts in the state of california. we're actually seeing programsss ,real results. but i want accountability. i waility.a mayor of californi . i'm governor of six states, larger than 21 states population combined. and the difference between mee and most politiciansan is i ownl this. i take responsibility for this. this is personality for th to m. i love the state and i like what's happening with the encampments that's happened, s p the streets and sidewalks. i don't like the bashing of it old city, san franciscoenree whole foods did shut down b one business, but that was a bad location to begin with. eginth.they're a new one. >> we have two point sisters out here recently with a team. >> i said, it's go to the wharf. certain parts are bad and we ows arn. i just put the national guard and the chp down there. hundreds of. i know. and by the way, you mentioned defund police. don't accuse me ofu mentio that. i've never been part of that. say people who are saying you didn'td not wa want to buily more border wall that that caught our eye because it was sort of farcical, this notion that somehow you can have a physical structure

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the state flew migrants to california, which is a sanctuary state. well, california governor gavin newsomntur, he this tweet threatening florida governor ron desantithissng cha with kidnapping charges. they did sign waivers. now, thirg. dids the fact that the biden administration, they've been flying illegal immigrants all over the country, often landing in the dead of nightry and. hmm. wonder why. also, repeated assertions from florida officials that illegali immigrants all willingly made that trip. ernor we did ask governor newsom about his feud with governor desantisne and whether he would agreane to debate one on one win me hosting. >> here's what he had to sayg.. >> here's my question. maybe i have an idea that you'dt agree with. i want to start a series off debates and get some of the bestd ge, brightest leadinga conservative minds and some ofdg the best, brightest left-wing minds or liberal.

i put you in that category, tha and i want to call it like the great debates. love it. and the first one i want to do is with you and governor desantis. >> great. i've offered it. i've been trying to debate hiere is h will go.ate could i say governor nelson, s. ernor desanti economy. that's the only word i'm going to throw out of it. >> you minute by minute, then you go at it. next topic right.at and i'll moderate it that way. and you have my word, i'll moderate it that way. e it>> i am i'm in. >> of you will do a two hour m debate with roakn to say i make it three three hour debate. yeah. so i hear mebate. you mean like one day notice with no notes? i look forward to that. we can tal forwardk about his zr demonization. we could talk about his assault on youabou. kidnaper everything i said. question mark. still be a question mark was still being investigated. still be wan t to sit and you may bring charges the people you know kind of you're kind of faith tradition. how nice was this as youd treat

the spotlight this ron desantis out of the goodness ofnd his heart. he's going around the country to try to help migrants and brinelp migrthem tg them to. >> could you ask me a question about bryce? s plansendehat he send load of people to martha's vineyard, a liberal enclave, rights for one and a half million bucks? >> okay. . what is fox?nt and >> who's the fiscal conservatives part? we went and we looked therkedane more than double the amount of rooms available for everfoy one of the people that that landed there that day. okay. nded theand all of them signed r for all of them, by the way, i they i read the waiver. they showed me the way. i couldn't even understand. >> and i have a decent education. they goti have this sanctuary ll enclave, couldn't handle, you know, 50 illegal immigrants don't take this room out tha and let them stay through the last 20 4 hours. why then why did they do that? why did you most people as pawns? >> you bet. i mean, this is what faith tradition teaches you to treat

a human beingsan like this, to belittle that you are in an awful sanctuary state. >> why don't you embrace dealing with the cards that are dealt them for comprehensivdon't yo e reform? i'm proud of our president for putting a strategy outof our anu guys have been silence on it. you haven't even discussed it. you are sanctuary state.yo why don't you embrace them and say thank you for sending themu for ? e ever we embrace everybody here. we deal with the cards, a date and a human way forwaryb .d. it's not a state being told under false pretense. being one thing i don't think te happened. i know it. i sat down with these migrantsn. i sat doo . i talked to every single one ofv them. they were lied to. they were misledof the. bs. while this was a setup, they were told they had jobs. they toltod they were going to get certain court dates changed. they were droppeurt dated off. they knocked on the door and they left. and it was not coordinatedleft. >> i mean, what kind of faith? tradition? of is,source thereradition a videotape in possession of the people getting on them because they were all liedon the to and told and they were being taken care of. everything's going to be great. i woultored be proud and happy.o and then because by the way, i have the rfp, becausere goi

they landed in your sanctuary state, you're going to take care of them. they should be happyngtake car., >> look. well, we'll deal with the big come on. this is californiathis i. conomi i know it's cold. it's all this way. the fourth largest economy in the world we can handle. of course. yes. this. okay. i'm a borderon. ron desantis is not. i know he's desperate to get a lot trump iow because of belly flop donald trump is going to clean. is it his hair, the joe biden desantis? yes, belly flop. he will clean his clock. this up >> he don't have a crystal mansion and he set this up months ago by doing an rfp. i have the contractor. okay. my client, he tried to hireo saying he was going to send people to california. this is a stuntot. >> embarrassing, pathetic. i this is not i think he's the right thing. his state's not a sanctuary state. well, joe biden has wanted to help people. >> he will apply the same e biden. to jo he's flying all these illegal immigrants, coordinating theminn with me. i'm engaged indirectly with the administrationg sean: e landin: in the morning in westchester airport, not not kennedy,

westchester. you know why? becaus ae they're sneaking himog in when states aren't looking and is perfect, but they're coordinate>> cood. erent there's a different spirit. there's a different level of engagement level. it's -- it's different in daylight in darkness. it's not perfect. i'm there's some humility in this. oh, isn't joe bideinand mpinople in florida and all these other states and dumg peb people anywe dissent. >> what's the difference what joeg? t joe is doin >> pretend desantis is an appellation more of exclusivetee interview with california t, newsogavin newsom up nexw we'll talk about his relationship with president donald trump straighm.ext, wt a. i love playing golf, but as you get older, the holes get further away. balance of nature helps me being healthier and play more. and a whole lot of times i'll go play 18 in the morning and then have lunch and someone will say, hey, let's go an extra nine. and you know, a lot of my friends are having trouble keeping up with me. >> harry, this is your last

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just to get one piece of news and that>> sean: you will if yoe to replace her. oyou have a set of criteria.an >> only an african-american woman. why is it that was the right thing to do? we lost with the kamala harris. we lost that representation. iti it's important. it's historic. storici appointed the first lato in california's history, 37% of the state, latinos, 39% of the state. i thought that was important. i it shouldn't the criteria just be the best person. >> but there's plenty of african-american pers. ri >> she as best person and just not have a criteria. >>st time i think i think representation. >> i think i think representation does matter. does it matters. you got a recommendation of 1.2 million. i think person for one form.- ca yeah, i stand1. corrected and you want to see the full report can you for that. i mean, are you really going to pay that monen ?u going y? >> ronald reagan did reparations for the japanese. i'm asking for that. iit's it doesn't have to ben th in the frame of writing. the check. reparations comes in many different forms, but one cannot deny these historical facts. >> and i really very stronglye c

we have to come to grips, how do you justify up and peopleom sean: hu just goino connection generationally to anything to do slavery. aver. how how do you justify them havingw either a lower standar, a higher standard, or st for something that they or their family would not response? responsibllook, i understand deeply understand that. i deeply understand. do the math. >> the 1.4. okay. we want us to level set. you ha d a group the lastar two years that is making a series of recommendations that wasthat is one of many recommendations you guys ran with that over and over and over and over again still today for some moneyn: suppo, it even seen the recommendation when you see the recommendations. and we may find to supportstatem the money, i put outen a statement saying reparations is more than just about money. that implies a deeper rationalization of what is achievable, what's reasonable and what is righat is ret. >> and that's the balance that we'll try to advance. and coming up, governor gavin

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be a net migration state. >> but i know you're not going migrthat know you're not going about regulatory reform. i've got 11 regulatory bills on permitting and procuremen tk never taken a backseat to anyone. i've reformed our sequoia bills. i've done it as it relates to vegetatioo anyone. s itn, forest management related forest fires. again, i'm not an ideologue related to this. ideologue i have not argued for increase. the tauex rate for the top 1% hs been around a decade. and look at the receipts. talkin - >>lkin - the receipts over the last decade and economic growth, we've outperformed ls most wesn democracies. the state has grown just like demown is growingwn just like by $4.4 trillion since biden's been in office. >> our global gdp continues to be darling of theseofly bet countries doing remarkably better. >> then i thintek a lot of your viewers believe under no circumstances would thrcumstances would president, running for the democratic nomination. oh, nonee . not af >> none to this conversation. what is this conversation? >> the first interview you had. that's a pretty listen, i wantou passion. i'm just telling you, joe biden could not do what you're

doing.ght to and by the way, that ought to tell you something. and you know what? w >> i know i couldn't do what hh. >> i know i couldn't do what hh. years of his, you know, deep down inside, you know, it's trun e. a but you're your party guy. you're sticking up for your guy and use country's economy. >> i love my president. you knoww he's, i don't dislike. >> i just want him out of office. decency and character. i want i want somebody who can stand up to china, russia, iran and north korea. and i think a master. we've united nato in ways it's never beeh n united. russia is not. what would you handle the chinese spy? what would you have done? oh >> sean:, come on.chines you know, what would you have done? i don't have the details of knowledge oflloon. new.or the >> based on what you know, i would have taken that sucker out ofnces. the air before it n hit the airspace. a lot of people's lives at risk whenould they originally talked about it, there was a reason they delayed thoset of firstther attempts to do that. i think his containment policy has beens they. for years as it relates to just on him taking out a lot of our drones when wet should knowledge. president biden's policies are not completely dissimila bet

as it relates to china, to what trump was promoting as it prs to transfer ofg as it sensitive technology. >> craz wasn't he made it the trumean:p china was a saber rattling. there was a confronting leaker. they're comparing alliances now and maybe longer. g7 has never been stronger nev in putting our navy in the south china sea in the pacific. they're confrontin beeg, ah, hat on, fighter jets in anrnationa international ways. they're taking the spying overl . our country drones are being taken out by russi a and flexing around. you know what the consequences were? nothing. ces wewould you allow nothing tu a consequence for china and russia if they did thassia t? his i think his policies against china have been very impressiviv in terms of what's in the context of a building, ironically, on some ine policie all of the bluster as it relates to tech transferbl , ast relates to building alliances in the pacific, as it relates to building allianceo buildisher their defense secretary rejected our outreach to meet with his counterpartretary. you know, these are situational challenges that we've had historically arounituation

d the as ity arounituation relates to the navy confronting our navy there there. how do do fighter jets. - >> we talk about 200 and these guys have less than $300 on th billion to spend every year on the military. litary.america's at 887 going u to million dollars for a decade. >> how manean: they have by mily around the world does china have shown be the exact number ? i wouldn't know it. only one. r but we have 750. >> i'm worried about what's happening in cuba. china is extending their sphere of influence in africa in latine america. they have now one treaty arrangement, and that's in north korea. we arrangemt have 50 around the g. i mean, it's apples. in norway, we spend ten times more on the next ten countries on military spend year.nger i >> our alliances have never been stronger in places like australia, whichik is like missile defense. what about these are concerns, president andif are concerns, china wants to fulfille their two territorial ambition and take taiwan. what would you do? i'm not going to gett woyou do?s a more nuanced and complicated thing. that's for a presidential aspirant to answer. we have a policy. it's well articulaterantanswerd

stand by it. you've got to be convinced to be one. but that's my it's my theory. tit that's my it's my theory. >> all right. unfortunately, that is all >> srtunately, that is all have left thisyou evening. as always, thank you for being with us. thank you for making thifo s.snk you for making thifo possible. please set your dvr so you never, ever, ever miss an ho >> hope you had a great labor day and have a great night. happy labor day, everyone.yone >> i'm kat timpf. i'm , so he askedto me to check in to see how you were doing. >> good. ou wer >> that's great.doing. so we had some great shows this summer, some amazing guests that it's almost too tough to pick what the best segmentsns . >> but we're going to try anyway. enjo wer