is number one, if you have seen anything about them, they break tables with their bodies, that's part of the tradition. >> they jump on to tables. >> and bills fans, absolutely. >> that's kind of what we do here on "outnumbered." when the show is over, we fall over. >> can't wait, wrap it up. >> don't forget to dvr the show when you can't be with us. we are always here four, though. "america reports." >> thank you, guys. any moment the white house is set to brief with questions surrounding president biden's mixed messaging on wearing a mask following first lady jill biden's covid diagnosis and possibly mask mandates in the classroom. i'm trace gallagher in for john roberts. >> i'm gillian turner in washington. john and sandra are off today. growing number of businesses and school districts across the

country are once again asking americans to mask up. this is due to a late summer spike in covid cases. >> trace: critics argue it's more harm than good during the pandemic. >> gillian: should we expect we will all be wearing masks at work once again, at school? >> that's what everyone wants to know and you are seeing more masks, covid cases are up, masks are making a return, even at the white house where the guidance seems to be a little confusing. this is what the press secretary yesterday had to say on the guidance. >> since the president was with the first lady yesterday he will be masking while indoors and around people. in alignment with cdc guidance. will remove his mask when sufficiently distanced from other indoors and while outside as well. >> seems the president either did not understand the guidance, gillian, or was simply ignoring it. you see him starting off with

the mask at the event yesterday, and then takes it off and then pinning a medal on a war hero in very close proximity maskless, then he walks out of the event without a mask on walking among the entire crowd, maybe the white house will clarify that today. meanwhile, as classes return one elementary school here in the d.c. area seeing a rise in cases is bringing back a mask mandate. writing to parents, staff in identified classes or activities will be required to mask while in school for the next ten days, except while eating or drinking. this comes as ohio senator j.d. vance is fighting the return of masks, proposing a bill to fight the mask mandate to the end of 2024. >> this is coming back unless we stop it from happening. i introduced the legislation and force the democrats to vote on it. >> so, what is the cdc saying right now? hospitalization rates have risen more than 15% last week, so in the areas with high

hospitalization rates or people who are positive or in close contact with someone positive, they are recommending that you simply mask up. >> hard to keep up with the cdc guidelines in terms of exposure versus positive cases versus potential exposures at this point. people have to pay really close attention if they want to be in keeping with it, griff jenkins, thank you so much. appreciate it. >> trace: the thing that baffles me, gillian, you look at the elementary school, rosemary hills elementary, it's only one class, right. so asking one class to mask up unless you are eating or drinking as if the virus goes away when you are eating or drinking. and for ten days and you are wondering and leaving a lot of medical experts like what's the purpose, what's the use of this. it doesn't seem to be a lot of reasonable rational thought going into some of these minor mandates. >> gillian: looks like we are going to be in this battle against covid once again for the

foreseeable couple of months. there is also this, i want to turn your attention now, out of atlanta, a hearing that could have a major impact on former president trump's criminal case out of georgia. fulton county prosecutors and attorneys for two of trump's co-defendants as well as the presiding judge are right now hashing out the timeline for the trials of 19 people who are accused of interfering in georgia's 2020 election. bryan has more details out of new york. what can we expect out of today's hearing? >> look, the first televised hearing in the georgia racketeering, it's the first time they say fanni willis present the case in front of the judge. providing a good faith estimate how long it will take her to present her case in court if all 19 co-defendants were tried together. he's also asked the d.a. for an

estimate in the number of witnesses and exhibits she plans to present. we also expect judge to hear arguments from lawyers who want to severe cases, both want to have their own trials separate from the others. they have asked for speedy trials under georgia law and have subsequently been granted october 23rd start dates. d.a. willis said she could try all 19 defendants on october 23rd, a timeline that could play to her advantage. listen. >> it's a big advantage to the prosecutor to have multiple co-defendants on trial at the same time because invariably what happens is the defendants start pointing the finger at e other. if you are a defendant in that kind of a trial, you are having to defend what the prosecutor says about the client and you are also having to defend against what other defense lawyers are saying about your

client. >> former president biden filed to severe his case noting the timeline respectfully requiring less than two months' preparation time to defend a 98-page indictment, charging 19 defendants with 41 various charges would violate president trump's federal and state constitutional rights to a fair trial and due process of law. the finger pointing, gillian, has already begun in this trial. three accused republican fake electors said in legal motions they acted at the direction of former president trump as we monitor the live feed now from the fulton county courthouse, gillian. >> gillian: bryan, thank you. >> i heard him on the floor just a little while ago, sounds good to me. so -- i'm all good with mitch. >> we have to have a good quarterback, have to have somebody that runs the show, hopefully he can do it but he needs to make that decision one way or another. >> when you sit down and have a conversation with him he's quite

sharp, i still trust his judgment over most people's that i know. and for me and the leader right now, that's all i really, really need. >> trace: showing support for mitch mcconnell as he returns to capitol hill. next hour, he is set to take questions from reporters after two public freeze-ups this summer that have raised concern about his health and future in office. with us south carolina senator and 2024 republican presidential candidate tim scott. senator, great to have you on the show. your take on the breaking news of mitch mcconnell, a lot of republicans came out and supported the minority leader. what do you think, some have come out questioning the effectiveness of mcconnell going forward in his ability to lead this caucus. your thoughts on this. >> well, in this hour we'll have an opportunity to hear from leader mcconnell and about his

health, it's important we have someone in the position to do the job and effectively. we could be looking at a red wave, we would expand the majority in the house, actually win back the majority in the senate, so making sure that we are ready to go to work on day one of my agenda will be really helpful. >> trace: it's interesting, we talk a lot about age, one of the big topics and of course president biden's age, many people, 70% believe he is too old to be the president again and then the vice president said this about the president's age and whether she could step in, watch. >> every vice president understands that when they take the oath, that they must be very clear about the responsibility they may have to take over the job of being president. i am no different. >> trace: could be a bit of a nightmare, senator, for democrats, her approval rating is roughly anemic 32%.

>> well, nightmare on elm street was a movie, but nightmare in america would be kamala harris as president of the united states. one of the reasons why i'm the best candidate to defeat joe biden, the truth of my life disproves the lives of the radical left. i can't think of anything worse than joe biden and kamala harris winning another four years, except perhaps kamala harris winning four new years. our country needs to get away from 16% inflation, the loss of thousands of spending dollars per american family, the way we do that is by electing a new president, a new leader, who fixes our economy and stands toe to toe with our adversaries. that would be me, of course. >> trace: a story we ran about fulton county, the trials about to start and all of these televised, not necessarily need you to weigh in on the trials but the fact it's being televised, does this change the game at all? does it make it more of -- does

it make it more of a distraction? what do you think about the fact that going forward these are all going to be televised that you see on the right-hand side of your screen? >> well, trace, what you and i both know, i hope, is that we need lady justice wearing a blindfold. the one thing america cannot stand is for lady justice to be weaponized against political opponents. having a televised trial is one of the ways that the radical left hopes to make sure that donald trump is our nominee and that he loses. that is an insidious plot from the radical left. progressives should be ashamed of themselves. let's let the voters decide the next election, that's the american way. it is unacceptable and un-american to weaponize the doj against political opponents and i know we are talking about georgia's justice system and not just the doj, but there does

seem to be a coordination between the state and the federal, or the local d.a. and the federal department of justice. >> trace: the next debate, gop primary debate, sir, is coming up in a few weeks. the last debate i want to put this on the screen because this is the time that each of the candidates had to speak and you can see there, you are down at 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8:15. if it was a sport, you would say he did not get the reps he needed, did not get the reps during the debate. what's the strategy going forward, senator, for you to get more speaking time, for you to get your name out there more often? >> great question. substance will drive my debate performance. i will provide the american people with an adult in the room. what we cannot abide by is a food fight where the two biggest winners are joe biden's campaign and national media that loves to see republicans fighting with

republicans. the road to socialism runs right through a divided republican party. i will increase my time by allowing the contrast between the candidates on the stage to manifest and then keep talking about why i know america can do for anyone what she's done for me. we have to restore hope, create opportunities and protect america. that starts with backing the blue and closing our southern border. >> trace: it should be noted instead of eight candidates so far there are only six candidates who have qualified for the second debate. we'll see if that changes the dynamic. senator tim scott, great to have you on as always. thank you, sir. >> thank you, trace. >> trace: and be sure to mark your calendar, hosted by fox business, stuart varney, dana

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she managed to pull over safely. she was treated for minor injuries. they think it was a mechanical part from a truck, that is a little bit scary. something like that going that fast, you are talking about maybe 4 or 5 mile increase and that thing goes right no your face, that's -- right into your face. >> gillian: that driver is a very, very fortunate woman, trace. it's terrifying. also this, deadline day for hunter biden's attorneys and special counsel david weiss. the judge is directing the two side to providing an update on the diversion agreement. it would have kept his son out of prison before lying on a federal gun firm. the two sides are fighting over whether or not that agreement is still valid. so let's bring in keri, so, you have the weiss team saying this deal is no longer in effect, it fell through with the rest of

the plea deal and you have hunter biden's lawyer saying it's very much still alive. do you anticipate the judge ruling on this imminently? >> i think it's possible the judge sides with doj but a step back first, nothing about this is normal nor has it been. hunter's lawyers, their argument is under ordinary circumstances is technically correct. agreement to not prosecute in exchange for good behavior is par for the course. the problem is, the doj linked it with the sweeping immunity. it is completely abnormal for the two documents to go together, why i think the probation officer still has not signed off on it. technically part of the deal does not require a judge sign-off. the probation officer has not signed it and i don't know that that will happen. >> gillian: if noreika does rule the gun diversion deal is dead,

do you anticipate the special counsel will take the gun trial elsewhere and we could see hunter biden on trial for this during the next year, year and a half, during the run-up to the 2024 election? >> this is a big deal, it really is. the gun case will likely move forward and could go to trial. you have the president's son, the incumbent in 2024 election, his son on trial in court during that election year, and why is that a problem for the president, stating obvious reasons, stuff could come out, it's not good and favorable for the president in, say, discovery. the other wild plot twist in the gun aspect of the case, it's possible if it moves forward, and looks like it's going to, that hunter may argue that the law preventing him from having a gun as a drug user in the first place is unconstitutional. that's an issue litigated in the courts. why is that a problem for the president?

that goes directly against the gun policy of the white house. they are cracking down on unlawful possession of firearms. >> gillian: and that's something the president has been focused on for many years, not just over the last two while over at 1600 pennsylvania avenue, maximum penalties for violations of gun policies like these are something that he has really advocated for vocally. >> that's right. and so the center of this election year coming up, you have doj at the center of it all, which is exactly why doj is not supposed to be. you know, some people have talked about this is a battle of the special counsels, you have a special counsel looking at president trump, a special counsel looking at the current president's son, but at the end of the day, this lands on the attorney general's desk because the regulations say that if there is a prosecutor or investigative step taken by a special counsel, the attorney general at any point can ask for explanation and say you know

what, i don't think that's appropriate, that's too much, and put brakes on it and the only thing the a.g. would have to do is notify congress. so you have garland in this position of really having significant influence on how this 2024 election turns out which again, is not a position that any turn general normally wants to be in, nor should they be in. >> gillian: reminder the attorney general often, especially in recent political history, has the potential to make or break elections for seated presidents, certainly has an outside influence on the direction of proceedings. >> most definitely. and now the irony here, too, now you have hunter's lawyers essentially making the same argument that many on the conservative right are making, that doj is not playing fair and they are politicizing it. so, some strange -- makes for strange bed fellows, only in washington, d.c. >> gillian: and the curse of living in strange times. thanks for being with us. appreciate it. trace. >> trace: the summer travel

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>> trace: dip into what's happening in fulton county, georgia and why it's interesting. this is just the mundane legalese so they are trying to figure out how this is going to proceed going forward. what's happening here is they are trying to figure out how in the world they are going to try all of these 18 co-defendants of the former president trump and then put them all together.

what they are doing here is they are trying to separate these, they want these different co-defendants to be tried separately. the d.a., fani willis wants them all tried together but the big news here, this is the first time we are seeing this. going forward all of this will be televised. everything will be televised and that will change the dynamic of watching this thing, so we are going to keep listening in. nothing really of news value yet, just the fact that it's going to be televised, it's on the air right now, and this is something you could be seeing for the better part of the election cycle. we'll keep you posted on what's happening. let's listen in to give you a flavor, about 30 seconds. >> when the trial of miss powell will occur. my experience as a former federal prosecutor and federal court under the speedy trial act is, in situations you have multiple defendants like this, if one defendant makes a demand for speedy trial or two, as we have here, the court has the discretion under the speedy trial act in federal court to still push the case down because some other defendants as we have

in this case have said they are not ready for trial. that's ordinarily what happens in federal court. here in state court, looking at the state law and the state speedy trial act, by virtue of our demand and the severance motions other defendants have filed saying they are not ready for trial, i think miss powell has to be severed out from the remaining 17. the question today in my mind is whether the trial of miss powell will be joint with mr. chesebro or not. i have not seen anything to the contrary. her demand for speedy trial cannot be trumped -- >> trace: the former president saying these are all separate, need to be tried separately, it's all televised, keep you up to speed what's happening in fulton county, georgia, gillian. >> gillian: the manhunt is

continuing for the escaped killer who escaped last week. a glimpse of danelo cavalcante, nate, what's the latest? >> gillian, pennsylvania state police confirm this is very much still an active investigation. he is not in custody right now. we have had helicopters circling overhead throughout the day and as you mentioned, state troopers have shifted their search area to where we are right now, a bit farther south, they have set up behind me. about five miles south of chester county prison where cavalcante escaped thursday morning, but last seen in a nearby botanical garden. take a look at the surveillance images. south of the original perimeter which forced authorities to move south to where we are, and they noticed he's picked up a backpack and duffle bag, and two items. police don't believe anybody is helping them, they think he just

gathered the supplies during his journey but i mentioned the helicopters overhead. from them, as far as patrol cars, authorities are broadcasting a recorded message from cavalcante's mother in portuguese urging him to peacefully turn himself in. we know the fbi and border patrol are joining u.s. marshals as well as state and local authorities. by the way, cavalcante is an illegal immigrant from brazil. he came back her after being accused of murder there in 2017. he then murdered his girlfriend friend in 2021 and received a life sentence for it. he escaped thursday morning and seen six times since then. authorities are urging everybody in the area to be on high alert until this convicted killer is caught. >> you are dealing with someone who is desperate and who does not want to be caught and so if he can find something, some clothing, if he can find some shelter, find some food, he is

going to take advantage of whatever he finds. >> this community continues to be impacted by the search. two school districts canceled school for a second straight day because multiple schools are within the search area. behind me right now, you can see state troopers just finished questioning an ups truck driver ensuring that every vehicle that turns on to this main road is permitted to go and that cavalcante is not inside one of those vehicles. there is a $10,000 reward for any information leading to his arrest, and state police are going to give an update on their search today at 3:00. we should learn more then. sends it back to you, gillian. >> gillian: nate foy, thank you. trace. >> trace: white house briefing is underway, doing a q & a. talking about some oil prices. let's dip in here and see if we can catch the last part of this. >> items that was going to -- was being brought up on his trip, so i just don't have anything beyond what jake shared

on that particular piece. >> thanks karine. given the president's departure is not 24 hours away, have you formulated a contingency plan if he cannot attend, would the vice president go in his place, participate virtually. >> i don't have any contingency plans. there are no changes to his travel. i think again he tested negative on monday, tested negative on tuesday, tested negative today, which is very good, right. and he is -- he is certainly, doesn't have any symptoms as i mentioned at the top. and so i think that's a good thing. the president will continue to do his job. we are expecting to travel tomorrow. >> on oil, under the administration trying to refill the strategic petroleum reserve but if prices continue to spiral out of control, would you consider tapping it and selling more on the market to lower prices? >> don't want to get too much into hypotheticals what may or may not happen, very careful, clearly that's something the energy department focuses on as

relates to that piece of refilling -- refilling. so, just not going to get ahead of what the energy department might do. i'll leave it there. >> lastly, the auto workers strike or potential strike, the president will talked to, he's talked about being the most pro union president -- in history -- [indiscernible] >> president believes in collective bargaining and it will show it works. the west coast ports, they came together and they were able to come to an agreement in a good faith way, came to the table and that's what the president wants to see. he's optimistic that's going to be the way forward, that they are going to come to an agreement, but again, you know, he believes in collective

bargaining. not going to get ahead, into hypotheticals from here but doesn't take away the support that this president has for the union, as he's had not just as president but as vice president and a senator. >> today is the funeral service of -- for angela car, one of the three victims of the jacksonville murders. i know the president said he did not reach out to the family because the family did not want to be contacted. has that changed, any additional communication with the family in jacksonville? >> i would refer you to the powerful words the president said when he was in florida on saturday. he ended his remarks while he was there on the ground, of course dealing with another tragedy, right, of folks who lost so much in a rural area after hurricane idalia hit but he wanted to make sure while he was in florida that he spoke to the people of jacksonville and

he talked about where we are as a country and how everybody needs to step up and fight back and speak out against what we are seeing, right. against these hateful attacks. and so the president is going to continue to do that, he's going to continue to be incredibly forceful and speak against this type of hate and when you are silent you are complicit. you heard that directly from that president. i don't have any calls to read out at this time but if we have -- if we make -- if the calls do happen, we would share that with all of you. >> during the president and vice president's meeting of civil rights leaders on the march on washington, they were -- there were requests for the united we stand summit to be brought back, to be brought to jacksonville in particular. have there been any preliminary conversations about that and more broadly, does the white house believe there should be legislation perhaps, anti-black hate crime similar to the

anti-asian one signed in 2021, or does the president believe the laws on the book, including the anti-lynching act is sufficient to address the anti-black hate crimes? >> there has been preliminary discussions, conversations, with the organizers of the summit and us, so clearly, or -- or the civil rights leaders i should say on the summit. don't have anything to share at this time but we are looking at when we could have this date, can't speak to jacksonville, don't have a location about jacksonville, but certainly there are initial conversations happening. as it relates to the anti-lynching bill or any other piece of legislation, don't have anything to announce but not forget, the anti-lynching bill took decades upon decades to get to where it was, where it got passed, and the president was able to move -- was able to sign it. it took a long time to get that piece of legislation, a lot of hard work was put into getting

that done. and so you know, it's an important piece of legislation as it relates to, as it relates to anything additional i just don't have anything to share at this time. >> if the president continues to test negative, will he wear a mask in india, for how many days and will he do anything else to change his behavior as he's around so many world leaders? >> it's a good question. look, as you know, there is about i believe a ten-day window, right, once the person who is in close contact, the president is going to continue to follow cdc guidance, and as i mentioned at the top, that includes masking, that includes testing, the testing is not recommended to be every day for a person who is close contact, and socially distancing. and so we are going to continue to monitor for any symptoms. he has not had any symptoms for the past three tests, three days, if you will, and so we are

going to continue -- the president is going to move forward in close consultation, i don't have anything else to add. >> so he would continue to mask up then for ten days past the exposure point. >> what i can say, the cdc, when it comes to the ten days, the cdc guidelines recommend a combination of masking, testing and monitoring for symptoms, and the president is going to do all of in close consultation of his physician as he's been doing the last three days as mentioned, tested negative on monday, tuesday, and today, and doesn't have any symptoms. >> just really briefly, the white house has obviously been pushing congress to -- we are coming closer to the end of september deadline. what is the president doing specifically to make sure that happens? is he speaking with democratic leaders, speaking with republican leaders. >> trace: what's happening here, she's getting a lot of questions on the president wearing a mask and not wearing a mask and whether he's tested positive or negative. he tested negative, she said, three days in a row. now, the questions came up

because of course dr. jill biden, his wife, has covid. he's been in contact with her. and yesterday he was at a medal of honor ceremony and he took his mask off to speak to the medal of honor recipient, even putting the medal around the recipient's neck. the question is, he stepped out early and he was asked about stepping out, karine jean-pierre said this. >> the president took off his mask as i said he would to deliver incredibly powerful remarks about this captain, captain taylor, and what he did in service to our nation and he wanted to honor the captain, and for a brief time afterwards he also didn't have his mask on as you just laid out and he left as planned, as it was planned, he left when there was a pause in the program in order to minimize, to minimize his close contact with attendees who were -- who are about to participate in a reception, and you all reported that and

noticed that he left when there was a pause in the program. he wanted to minimize certainly his impact on folks who were there. >> trace: the phrasing is important, talking about him minimizing his impact, do not know what she meant by minimizing his impact. stated at the beginning of the briefing he has tested negative three days in a row, including today, but the phrasing is bringing up questions about what does she mean by impact. is he afraid that he may or may not get covid, or may have covid and just has not tested positive yet, which is a very real thing. your thoughts. >> gillian: a lot of contradictory information just delivered, imparted there from the white house podium, trace. got to point out in the same answer to the same question, karine jean-pierre insisted that when he travels overseas for the major foreign policy trip, the president is about to under take, he will be "following cdc

guidance," and the same breath, the president will continue to be testing for covid every day, not part of the recommended guidance for people who are close contact of folks who test positive. she did not take care to explain, though, why in some instances the president feels or the white house feels is important for the president to go above and beyond the cdc guidelines when those steps have not been shown to be effective. testing every day for the next 2 or 3 or 4 days might not really impact the president's health and his transmissibility over the coming days. she did not explain that. >> trace: yeah, and you see right there, he's very close to the medal of honor recipient, he's talking to the medal of honor recipient, and during the pandemic and if the president is concerned he may have been infected, something you would not want to do. let's go back and see if there's any more news coming out of the briefing. >> i know the white house, my team at the white house

counsel's office have responded to this. i'm going to let them deal with that information. i just don't have more to say to that question. >> the letter cites an email traffic between indicate beddingfield and eric schwerin, long time hunter biden business associate, in which she signed off in quotes that should be used to respond to media inquiries about hunter's involvement in burisma. how do you respond to criticism that shows there was no wall between then vice president biden's work and his family's business dealing. >> i understand the question, i appreciate the question, i get the question. i'm going to let the white house counsel answer the question. >> question about the fact checking at the white house. initial statement from the president about the passing of governor bill richardson included condolences for his wife of 50 years, barbara, and their daughter heather.

that line about heather, the daughter, has been removed because they didn't have a daughter named heather, or daughter. so, can you walk us through how these press releases are fact checked, who signs off on them in the end, and in this case, how this error was made? >> so, look, we apologize for the error, certainly. that is not something that, you know, we want to do, right. we want to make sure that we get this information out clearly and in a straightforward way to the american people, so that was not done intentionally. and certainly when we realized that error it was removed from the website. we do have fact checkers here, we have multiple people who take a look at the press releases, especially from the president. this was just a miss, unfortunately, and we apologize for that miss. and so again, as soon as we

realized it, we removed it from the website. it is, you know, we do, reiterate, our condolences to the family, and i think the president actually spoke -- he was shouted a question over the weekend about, i believe, on saturday, about bill richardson, he spoke -- he responded to that and bill richardson was a friend to the president, and so again, our, we apologize for that error, and certainly that is not something that we want to see happen and is not -- it is not a common occurrence, right, that happens from this white house. >> the source of the error been identified and dealt with to prevent it from happening again? >> you know, we will do our best, what i can say from here and committed to saying from here is that we will do our best to make sure that doesn't happen again. again, it was an error, we apologize, i apologized just now and we certainly removed that as you just stated the moment that we realized that error was made.

>> thank you, karine. >> thanks, karine. you mentioned the president's supplemental request earlier and lives being at stake. senator rubio, whose state is recovering from hurricane idalia, says the 16 billion in additional disaster relief should be decoupled from the funding sought for ukraine, that's the part of the request opposed by many republicans. is the administration willing to separate these requests and seek the fema aid independently to ensure it gets to the hurricane victims and hawaii wildfire victims as quickly as possible, or do you see those things have to be grouped together for the requests? >> i've been asked this question multiple times over the last ten days about your specific question about the supplemental funding for ukraine and also what has been requested by fema, which is the $16 billion. look, we see them both as incredibly important. i just laid out at the top what

we saw happen in ukraine, 16 died, and we are going to make sure they have what they need to fight against russia's aggression. we have been very clear about that. we believe that's been done in a bipartisan way and we appreciate the bipartisanship that has come out of congress and getting this done. it is important, it is important to fight for their democracy and so we believe, as united states, this president believes as a leader, that this is part of our job, right. part of our duty to make sure that ukraine continues to fight for their sovereignty, for their democracy, and $16 billion to make sure we have seen, you have covered what's been happening the last two years under this administration, specifically on what we have seen with extreme weather, temperatures and what

it's doing to communities, we were in a rural community on saturday, the president was there, you all saw what happened to these communities. it should be done, it should be that $16 billion should be moved forward for communities across the country. we are not going to get into hypotheticals from here about decoupling anything at this time. we believe these are vital, important government programs that need to be funded, done in a bipartisan way. >> to get the fema funding, why not do that? >> i hear your question. i laid out why each are incredibly important to move forward with. our goal here is to get that done. we are having those conversations here at the white house with folks on the other side of pennsylvania as i just mentioned to get this done. these are vital programs. these are vital important government programs that need to be done and so that is the message that we are going to be very clear about. as i said, the president says that privately and also

publicly. >> on the uaw, as the deadline gets closer, does the stance or the position of the administration, i know in previous labor disputes, for instance, you invited the negotiators here and tried to hammer out a deal as the deadline approached. that something that rises to this level to the uaw and the automakers? >> look, we have had conversations, i mentioned gene sperling the lead and being part on conversations at the white house, i think incredibly important. we have seen who julie su has been able to do, the west coast ports as you will see in less than an hour from hearing from the president. look, we believe in collective bargaining. i don't have anything else to share. don't want to get into hypotheticals from here. we believe that, you know, both sides come in good faith, so i don't know with will continue to be optimistic here, and optimistic on moving forward. so, just going to leave it

there. i'm going to let the unions and certainly folks who are at the table continue to have the conversations, but i'm just not going to get into hypotheticals from here. >> i guess i'm trying to ask and apologize not doing it better the first time, with the ports and the freight rail, those were seen as very important to keep the economy moving forward, the supply chain. is that how this is viewed with the automakers? is this -- if there were a strike, does the administration view it in the same kind of harm that they saw the other two situations? >> look, we are going to -- i want to be careful, don't want to get into hypotheticals about what could and could not happen. what we are saying is we know collective bargaining works. i mentioned the west coast ports, the teamsters and the ups, we just saw a month or two ago, and that's important. the president is going to continue to encourage parties to negotiate in good faith towards an agreement that prevents any kind of shutdown, and that's what we have done, that's what we will continue to do.

many times before this and so we are going to continue to monitor the negotiations. i just don't have anything beyond that besides being very clear on how and what the president believes and wanting to make sure that folks negotiate in good faith. >> is the first lady the only member of the biden family -- >> trace: you have it, karine jean-pierre answering questions from the media. she was asked about the emails the white house is reticent to turn over and she won't answer that, and she was asked about the auto workers strike, she would not answer that either, so we are moving on and moving off, gillian. >> gillian: multiple times she's tried to refocus on the forthcoming major policy trip b to take off to the g20, big opportunity for the president to reset their agenda and refocus the american attention, and he's

facing criticism over the economy, handling of the border and his re-election bid as you well know. take a look at this. convicted killer alec murdaugh is asking for a new trial now, just six months after a jury found the former south carolina prosecutor guilty of killing his wife and son. now his attorneys are arguing the court clerk actually pressured the jury to reach a guilty verdict and reach it quickly. jonathan serrie joins us from atlanta. what would be the strategy for a new trial if given one? >> yeah, hi there, gillian. alec murdaugh's lawyers are keeping their game plan very close to the vest. the one thing they are saying, though, is that they are optimistic that they will be granted a new trial. they base this on allegations from several jurors who came forward saying that the elected colleton county clerk of court, rebecca hill, urged them not to be fooled by the defense during the trial and pressured them to reach a speedy verdict.

>> we didn't stop investigating but we were hitting brick walls until her book came out and then jurors who obviously were not comfortable with how she handled matters were even less comfortable with her going on a book tour and making money off what she did. >> now, becky hill's co-author, neil gordon describes the clerk of court as conscience and religious, and prayed daily, so did the jury. >> did you ever pray with the jury? goodness, you are not allowed, no legal entity can pray with the jury whatsoever, it could create a conflict of interest. that should tell you something right there. >> gordon insists there was no advance book deal. he says it was self-published with both he and clerk hill putting up $30,000 of their own money. gillian. >> gillian: jonathan serrie in

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includes vaccinations, and as you know, cdc and fda said they are going to have vaccine by mid-september and we are going to make sure and continue to do what we have done the past couple of years is inform folks, let them know the new vaccines are here, they have to make sure to take their flu vaccine and also the rsv. all of these things are incredibly important because we know what works, we do. i mean, we know what works. we are in a different place than we were 2, 3 years ago. but let me -- >> cdc does not seem to be responding to the data. >> i'll say this, and you are talking about schools. cdc, they are the experts. they use science to come forward with their guidelines, and it is important that we allow them to do their work. and we believe that we are in a different place and all you had to do is look around. look around to where we are today and where we were when we

first started in this administration because we put forth a comprehensive plan with tools to make sure that we dealt with the pandemic, that we dealt with covid in a real way. let's not forget where we were when the president started off. thousands of people were dying a day, a day, a day, and so that is -- that is like the reality. so clearly something that we have done from the moment that we stepped into this administration to now has worked and that's because we followed the guidance of the cdc, we let fda do their work, that's the scientists, the experts, and that's why we are in a much better place than we are today. i know you are asking me about data, but all you have to do is look at where we are as a country. >> i know, and i am looking around and you know, 16 states don't have any mask mandates, or sorry, 16 states follow cdc for schools, and some have mask

mandates, a patch work of protocols and when the cdc is saying one thing and people are obviously -- >> that's the thing, these are guidelines by cdc. these are not mandates, hold on, not mandates, these are guidelines by cdc what they recommend, what they believe would work. it is up -- it is up to the schools. it is the decisions of the districts at level, right, to decide what they want to do with the guidelines that they have been provided by cdc. we always say go to cdc.gov you'll get information on how that works. but cdc advice for individual and community actions, you know, they are tied to hospital admissions level and want to be really clear. when you look at that, they are about 93% of the country, and so they -- they have the best information for us. these are guidelines to be very, very clear, these are guidelines, and it is up to local officials and local

leaders to decide how they want to move forward. why what you just laid out is different, there's a reason it's different because they make the decision. i'm going to keep going. oh, ok. all right. we got to go. we have to go, sorry, guys. >> catch you next time. >> trace: there you have, karine jean-pierre walking off, that's the end of the press briefing, jacqui heinrich was talking with her asking about mask mandates, goes back to some schools in maryland and virginia implementing smaller mask mandates for certain classes and you can see the bigger push coming across the country with the whole mask mandate thing and the administration there saying they did this great job with covid and the evidence does not point in that direction, but that was the end of the thing and we move on, gillian. >> gillian: interestingly it appears that the white house is now pivoted to allowing states and local jurisdictions to make decisions about mandates at large, and jacqui presseri