house, they are like sponges. >> everything gets soaked up. we have to be careful what we watch on tv, they are sponges. >> thank you for watching us on tv and when you can't, dvr us. here is "america reports." >> john: harris, thank you. and we are awaiting an update from the state police in the next hour of pennsylvania as investigators widen their search for an escaped killer on the run. evading capture now for nearly two weeks. >> sandra: several sightings leading police to believe he has changed his appearance at this point, but still no clues on where exactly he may be hiding out. >> i spoke with mr. smith on friday and i had the privilege of telling mr. smith that i would pardon him and we did that on friday. we righted a wrong. he should have never been prosecuted here. this was a dad, standing up for his daughter. >> john: virginia governor glenn

youngkin granting a full pardon to a loudoun county father who was arrested during a school board meeting. >> sandra: scott smith was convicted of disorderly conduct, his then 15-year-old daughter was assaulted by a biological male wearing a skirt after being allowed to use the girls' restroom due to the district's policies. we will speak with that parent, scott smith, in his first televised interview since governor youngkin announced his pardon. >> we have not forgotten, we will never forget. >> 22 years ago hatred, terror, did not win. it did not destroy america. >> first responders, sacrificed themselves in order to save their fellow americans on that

fateful day. >> try to live up to their example and their memory. >> never forget. we begin with a day of reflection as the day marks 22 years since the september 11th attacks. americans gathering at memorials across the country, including the three attack sites to pay respects to the nearly 3,000 lives lost that day. i'm john roberts in washington. sandra, good monday afternoon to you. >> sandra: good to be with you, sandra smith in new york. "america reports." top leaders observing the occasion at ground 0, the pentagon and shanksville, pennsylvania. but the commander in chief is breaking from the tradition, the first u.s. president to commemorate the day away from the white house or the sites of the attacks. >> john: instead, he will stop at a military base in alaska on his travel back from g20 summit. >> sandra: reaction from tim scott, but first the white house, where jacqui heinrich is

standing by live on the north lawn. hi, jacqui. >> this year president biden becomes the first president since the attacks not to commemorate the event on u.s. oil as the names of the victims are read at the 9/11 memorial in new york city. air force one will not touch down in alaska until later this afternoon and will meet with military families at a refuel stop on his way home from the g20 summit and visit to vietnam. the white house previously defended the president's plans not to attend observances at the 9/11 sites in new york city, virginia or pennsylvania pointing to 2015, when president obama participated in a moment of silence before heading to fort meade and 2005 when president bush marked the anniversary on the white house lawn. vice president harris was in new york this morning and jill biden at a wreath laying this afternoon.

>> the president will mark the anniversary of september 11th attacks in alaska as you mentioned, with service members and their families. and as he does every year, as he's done every year. he plans to honor the lives lost and the families and loved ones who still feel the pain of the terrible day. this is something he feels is very important to do. >> biden's cabinet members, including the secretary of defense, did participate in observances and the homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas reflected on how his agent's mission has evolved in the aftermath of 9/11. >> i feel the threat landscape has evolved so significantly over the past 22 years. today is a very, very heavy day. as the individual who just preceded me so beautifully said, we honor the lives lost and we have a commitment to never forget. but we also are much more mature

as a nation and as a department of homeland security. we have evolved as the threats have evolved, and america remains secure today. >> we expect to hear the president address the troops in alaska this afternoon before returning to the white house a little after midnight, although it's unclear if the military families he's meeting with were personally affected by 9/11. >> sandra: thank you, john. >> john: south carolina senator and 2024 presidential candidate tim scott. senator, good to be with you. let me get you to react, first of all, to the fact that president biden will be the first american president since 9/11 to not visit either ground 0 or shanksville or the pentagon to commemorate the day, instead at an air force base in alaska, a typical refueling stop for air force one on the way back from an asia trip. he could not make it back from hanoi in time.

are you ok with that, should he have left earlier? >> a day of american exceptionallism. 3,000 lives lost, the most important and powerful image are the first responders running into danger, putting their lives at risk. american exceptionallism at its best. i would have wished the president would have been at the pentagon talking to and celebrating people willing to lay their lives down for their country. the president should have left early enough to have been there at the pentagon talking about american exceptionallism and why america continued to provide opportunities and to be the beacon of light, the city on the hill. but once again, president biden is missing in action. >> sandra: we saw him over the weekend, and the world seems to be talking about that newser in vietnam where there was this awkward moment, senator, listen. >> thank you again.

ok, so we'll try to tee that back up. >> john: speaking of awkward moments. >> sandra: yes, we just had one. senator, all right. so, seems we have reracked, try again. >> i see i'm just following my orders here. i tell you what, i don't know about you, but i'm gonna go to bed. >> sandra: the president took five questions from reporters, concluded with that, by telling everybody he was going to bed. that was one of just several moments that seemed to really stop folks and ask what exactly is going on here, and who is telling him what to do? senator, what did you think when you saw that? >> well, tmi, too much information, number one. number two, synopsis are not firing as quickly as we need them to be firing. dereliction of duty is because

of his incompetence. what we saw was embarrassing for the country, embarrassing, liken to the moments we have seen, whether it's tripping, whether it's the whole concept of walking and chewing gum. we need a president who is prepared to lead, not only commander in chief but also to be the chief executive. you have to have the energy to do the job. and what we see on display time and time again is a president who seems to be fumbling the ball too close to the goal line. i will be the president that gets the job done, it's one of the reasons why i know america can do for anyone what she's done for me, but it is time for fresh new strong leadership. >> john: i went on several asian trips with former president trump during his administration. and whether it was kim jong-un summit in singapore, g20 summit or nato summit, he would take question after question after question and sometimes he would be up there for more than an hour answering questions. never once did i hear him say i

don't know about you, but i'm going to bed. and when the president -- when the president is on the world stage like that, i mean, is it important for the president who is the most powerful leader in the world to project strength, not i need to have a cup of cocoa and climb between the sheets. >> well, one of the things i've been saying throughout iowa, new hampshire, on the campaign trail, it's not the strength of china, it is actually the weakness of biden. it's not the strength of president xi or the strength of president putin, it's literally the weakness of president biden that puts us in jeopardy. the challenges we see today would be changed if we didn't have a president in retreat. america is not a nation in decline but under president biden we can feel that he is retreating from his responsibilities, that we are

retreating from our values. we need strong powerful decisive leadership. i look forward to being that leader. >> sandra: the california state assembly has passed legislation happened on friday, require judges ins child custody cases to consider whether a parent has affirmed a child's belief that they are indeed transgender. i know you're responding with one word, that this bill would punish parents in custody battles who don't affirm transgender kids. >> evil. >> sandra: what is your thinking on this? >> i said it earlier and say it again. that is evil personified in the hands of the legislators never seen in american history, literally taking away kids from their parents because the state of california believes that if you don't affirm the gender

decisions of your child it's abuse. that is evil. we should protect parents. if we want to protect kids, we have to empower parents and as president of the united states, i would roll out immediately a parents bill of rights. we are going to make sure we empower parents to be the decision maker for their juvenile kids and not the state of california, not a general assembly. i can't think of anything more unacceptable and more un-american than a state saying if you don't actually affirm your child's gender decisions we'll take your kids because they know how to raise your kids better than you do. that's offensive, dangerous and it's evil. we have to stand as a nation against that vile behavior from the state assembly in california. >> john: senator tim scott, great state of south carolina, presidential candidate for 2024, thank you for kicking us off

this monday. appreciate it. good to see you. >> sandra: thank you, senator. >> john: so, he's going to be back on the stage along with other rubicon tenders. second gop debate son the 27th of september at the reagan library. make sure you don't miss it. dana, stuart, and ilia will be moderating it, a great panel, looking forward to it. >> sandra: and big questions for the candidates on the stage, for both sides of the aisle. if you say you stand up for parents' rights, you know, how do you plan to do that and what can you promise the american people you will do to protect parental rights if you win the white house and that is a key focus for a lot of american voters right now. >> john: and don't forget, speaking of parental rights later on in "america reports," scott smith, the parent who was arrested and charged with a couple of misdemeanors at that school board meeting back in 2021 after he questioned, dare

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gardens, but 10:00 p.m., he breached the perimeter, stole a van less than a mile away from the perimeter, tried contacting multiple people and then dumped the van a mile away from where i am right now and tactical teams are popping up on streets throughout, or in streets throughout this area as they follow up on all sightings. in the meantime. cavalcante has changed his appearance. take a look at these images. he's now clean shaven, wearing a baseball cap, wearing his green prison pants. he tried to contact two acquaintances. he was trying to contact an old co-worker but the man was not home and told police when he got back and realized what happened, so he did not help cavalcante. they say i dumped the ford van he was running out of gas. towed away on sunday. ground crews and dogs searched the area but did not pick up on a scent. i mentioned he breached a

perimeter at longwood gardens, 400 state troopers had him surrounded, leads to the obvious question, how did he get away? >> there are a number of challenges in any investigation. no perimeter is 100% secure, ever. do i know a specific spot where he is, no. do i think generally i have idea where he is, probably, but not specifically enough to say let's put a hard perimeter up right now. >> john, we also learned cavalcante's sister was arrested by ice agents and faces deportation. of course cavalcante himself is illegal immigrant. back to you. >> john: nate foy with the latest on that and look forward to the press conference in the next hour here. >> sandra: bring in nancy grace, the host of "crime stories." great to have you here. put up on the screen the map of the sightings of cavalcante since he escaped from prison. there have been many, nancy, but not enough. they have not captured him.

will they? >> nancy: interesting. there have been, we think, ten sightings of cavalcante so far. he is brazen. he has managed to escape prison, they call it a prison, it was a county jail, all right. like in mayberry where otis goes in and out. this guy is a two-time killer. he shot a guy six times back home in brazil, he went to puerto rico, then he comes to the u.s. here he stabs his girlfriend 38 times in front of her two little children when she threatens to turn him in to authorities for the brazilian murder. that's who we are talking about. you don't think he wouldn't kill you for your car, money, food in your home? turned up on ring doorbell cams, hunter biden, like a deer cam, he has managed to get food, a new jacket, a green hoodie,

black or gray baseball cap and a razor. he's changed his appearance, shaved off all of his facial hair. he's got food or drinks. in one home he was flipping the light switch the guy upstairs knows he's in the home. so how did he get out? crab walked up the inside of a wallway, an alcove where a guy had escaped two months ago, goes through the barbed wire and out. he escaped the perimeter, they keep saying. we believe by going through a drainage ditch. hello. escape 101. >> john: nancy, we are playing the video of him crab walking in between the two walls there, which may be a little bit of advice for the next person designing a prison, make the walls further apart. obviously he is very physically fit, seems to have, i don't know if you want to call them survival skills but seems to be

adept at evading the police. the state police seemed like, they seemed gob smacked the fact they had him surrounded and he managed to wiggle through and he's doing it without having any help. are you surprised that he's able to elude police like this? >> nancy: no, i'm not. think about this. i think the guy's name was igor bronte escaped in may from the same facility in the same manner and it happened again. do we never learn from mistakes? think about casey white. he's like seven feet tall having an award with a warden and she helps him out, nobody noticed that. then you've got epstein, the jail wardens are asleep when he kills himself? they are not alert. the guy whose watch he escaped on had his cell phone, what was he doing, watching tiktok during you'll of this? this guy, a two-time killer is out. he's either going to stay in the

woods, he lived in the brazilian jungle for months, he knows what to do, or out of the woods to get another vehicle or food. if he sees for instance a woman alone with a child, that's an easy target. a senior alone. he's going into homes, so i say when you don't know a horse, look at his track record. you don't know what he's going to do, look what he did. he's either going to stay in the woods or in somebody's home. >> sandra: they did say this was a maximum security prison, by the looks of it it clearly was not. he crab walked up from the recreation yard, then climbed over razor wire. he ran across the roof, jumped on to the ground and by the way, the guard has been fired that was responsible for keeping a lookout. they did not notice for an hour until they took a head count he was gone. the guard was a corrections officers for 18 years, nancy. so we are about to get this update top of the hour. are you getting any sort of

indication they are getting closer here? >> nancy: can i tell you something? no, they are not getting any closer. the fulton county courthouse killer overpowered a sheriff with a gun on an elevator. he went on to kill my friend, judge barnes, i played softball with, my court reporter, and more. and he was loose and he took somebody hostage in their home. we don't want that. i don't care that guy got fired, he should have been fired. right now he's still eluding law enforcement. >> john: nancy grace with the latest, thank you. and again, the press conference in a few minutes right here on "america reports." in the interim, a u.s. appeals court ruling, the white house likely violated the first amendment when pushing social media companies to moderate covid vaccine content. so what happens next? plus this. >> hunter biden is not going to be on the election polls, is not standing for election next november. >> sandra: growing concerns

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related to covid, specifically over vaccines. the three-judge panel on the court of appeals ry affirmed a lower court ruling saying the white house centers for disease control, fbi, and surgeon general likely violated the first amendment and cannot coerce social media to stop content. and white house spokesperson tells me the administration promoted what they call responsible actions related to health and safety, adding our consistent view remains that social media platforms have a critical responsibility to take account of the effects of their platforms they are having on the american people but make an independent choice about the information they present. so after the lower court ruling in july, the senator, eric schmidt, says the government has 0 business telling us what information we can see. >> the government has 0

business, 0 business telling you or i what we can see, when we can hear, and what we can believe. across the board, this administration has engaged in a vast censorship enterprise that out to scare every american who believes one of our fundamental rights is to speak our mind. >> when i asked the white house press secretary what relationship right now the federal government has with social media companies, and she could not answer directly that question. back to you. >> sandra: very interesting. edward lawrence, live at the white house, john. >> john: could hunter biden's foreign business dealings impact president biden's 2024 campaign? that's the concern a new report from the "new york times" is raising citing allies of the president saying he has a "inability to say no to his son" creating affordable distractions as he hopes to hold on to the white house. bring in our political panel, former rnc national press secretary and kevin walling. nancy reagan said it well, just say no.

apparently he can't. and it's impossible for the mainstream media to avoid this. katie rogers in the "new york times" wrote about the biden's reaction to the fact that hunter biden could now be indicted on this gun charge. he plunged into sadness and frustration, according to several people close to him. since then his tone and conversations about hunter has been tinged with a resignation not there before. kevin, the fact that hunter biden seems to no longer be untouchable appears to be weighing heavily on the president. >> this is clearly a father in pain. this is a man who has lost two children, something i cannot imagine. you are a young mom, you are a father, i can't imagine the grief and the impulse to hold his son close and relapsing, substance abuse, we know the trials hunter has been on on a personal level and the fear if he pushes him away, puts him in

the basement, which would be a better political strategy for this president, but a terrible tragedy as a father. >> john: i said just say no but if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. >> right, a lot of sympathy and empathy given the opioid pandemic for hunter biden and for that father-son relationship democrats like to go back to, but we are talking about business dealings, money using his father's name. the president who can't say no to his son and say you know what, this is not a good look for us, it will cost me, and seven in ten americans think the president was involved in the foreign business dealings, and lesser number of those, four in ten said and it might have been illegal. he has to answer for now and every time hunter biden shows up on the balcony or air force one or the vacations, another reminder to the american people

that they are getting a special exception and they are not getting taken to task or have not been traditionally until now even the "new york times" can't ignore it. >> i don't know if you are channelling the writer in the "new york times" or glaringly obvious, but she wrote about that, allies of the president have deep respect for the bond he has with his son but have privately criticized mr. biden's apparent inability to say no when hunter sought to pull him into business dealings. some allies say his loyalty to his son inviting him to state dinners, flying aboard marine one, standing on the white house balcony has resulted in wholly avoidable political distractions. how much of impact and influence is the hunter biden business going to have on the 2024 election? >> and to cassie's point, he's thinking as a father, not politician. the sound strategy would be to push him away and not elevate him as a first son, the only

surviving son. we will see the political dynamics play out. i think republicans will use this certainly as jim comer has over the last eight months, you know, in a whole-out assault prosecuting without a shred of evidence tying the president to the business dealings, but if donald trump is the likely nominee, they will say okay, you have two legal issues at the same time, both are equal, when we know they are certainly not. >> john: you say without a shred of evidence but big paper trail on money transfers from foreign countries. >> certainly with hunter biden but no indication that joe biden at the time as vice president or senator was involved in the business dealings. >> except the president said i never talked with my son at any point about business dealings and we know that was a lie they pedelled for years. and the laptop, and allies in the media, all of this is

boiling up in distrust. >> 14 more months of this. [laughter] >> john: you are channelling me, 14 months to talk about this but have to go for the moment. >> sandra: live to the pictures where the manhunt for a convicted murderer who broke out of that pennsylvania jail is still on the loose. what led police to this specific area as we await a state police presser. we are told that is set to begin top of the hour. we will take you there as soon as it is underway. >> john: a massive earthquake leaving death and destruction in morroco as they try to dig out survivors. live on the scene. plus this. >> i have to be honest with new yorkers on what we are about to experience, financial typhoon, a tsunami that i don't think this city has ever experienced. >> sandra: the far left push for more open immigration and social services now crippling blue-led cities like new york as former mayor michael bloomberg warns

the migrant crisis could hurt democrats in 2024. we'll talk to steve hilton live on set about that coming up.

for survivors underway after a powerful earthquake hit morroco late friday, levelling remote mountain villages and killing thousands there. trey yingst is managing to reach one of the villages, reporting live from there. what is it like, what are you seeing and hearing there? >> yeah, sandra, good afternoon. we just returned from the village in the high atlas mountains where authorities have not yet been able to provide aid. take a look at the scene there. >> deep in the high atlas

mountains, villagers climbed piles of rubble where their homes once stood. edition through the debris recovering the body of his wife. today he is looking for his daughter, brothers and friends helped to search for the girl. no way to save them, i'm burning from the inside. feels like hell. mohammad's older daughter is inconsolable. after losing her mother, learned her sister is gone as well. i called for my father, i thought he was dead, she cries as she recalls the earthquake. i called for my mom and sisters. the roof collapsed on their heads. in the village, there is no heavy equipment. there are no soldiers. the first rescue team arrived this morning with nothing but stretchers and their bare hands. all that they have to save the living and recover the dead. people have been digging through the debris looking for loved ones since friday evening. the rubble is dense here, the

entire village is destroyed and a smell of death in the air. there are bodies under the rubble but these people are not giving up. they know that the military and government cannot reach this area and they will have to do it themselves. villagers have created a mass grave for the victims of this earthquake. they do remain fearful about aftershocks. sandra. >> sandra: thanks for reporting live from morroco, thank you. john. >> john: a terrible situation there. questions over biden's age growing louder after what critics call a bizarre news conference in vietnam that had staffers with jazz music jumping in to abruptly end the event. byron york just ahead. >> sandra: the white house cracking down on another industry in the name of green energy. how stricter climate mandates may be pushing truckers to their breaking points. we will speak directly to the co-owner of one of those trucking companies next.

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>> john: we are learning some very interesting details about energy secretary jennifer granholm's disastrous electric vehicle road trip that she took back in june. her four-state tour aimed at touting green energy investments appears to have backfired after her team reportedly had a hard time finding places to charge their electric vehicles. according to npr, a staffer even tried to save a charging spot for the secretary by using a gasoline-powered car to occupy that spot until she arrived. tisk tisk. but that did not go over well with another e.v. driver. that driver called the police to complain that they were blocking what should have been an open charging spot. but police reportedly could not do anything because as of this moment, and this is bound to change, it's not illegal to use a gas-powered vehicle to occupy an e.v. charging spot.

granholm's team tried to smooth things over and did graciously give up one of the spots that they were holding for the family. >> sandra: after they put up a fight for it. >> john: yeah. >> sandra: this happened in early june, we are just starting to hear about that. >> john: might not be illegal but there are words to describe that. >> sandra: indeed. that makes the next story even more interesting. trucking companies are bracing for the impacts of president biden's stricter emission standards. more clean energy mandates will not only kill small business but crush the country's supply chain. sir, thank you for joining us. you are warning these regulations would be catastrophic for the american food supply. explain. what's your concern? >> so, yeah, the mandates are based on new technology and i want to say i support green energy but these regulations are not practical.

banning diesels is impractical and almost impossible because complying with these mandates will only push many carriers out of business. only cause severe price inflation for all goods and it will cripple the supply chain. the way i see it, when we move to the next vehicle it should be better than the one we have right now. and that doesn't look promising in the future. it looks actually like it's going to be worse. so, that's the big issue i'm having with that. >> sandra: there's obviously big concerns the distance the vehicles can travel right now. when you look at a gas-powered truck, between 1500, 2,000 miles. electric, 3 to 500. that's going to slow you down. >> the driving range is ridiculous, and what we do is long distance driving, so long distance driving for electric trucks is not practical. let's say you and i jump in the truck and have to drive to

california, and electric truck, barely out of illinois yet alone 2,000 miles to los angeles. the diesel trucks can get up to 16, 1700 miles with a full tank of diesel. and you are hauling perishables and produce like we call at jkc. >> sandra: the epa is estimating the technology required to meet the new rule standards would cost between $258,300 per vehicle. but the american truck dealers' association, atda, is estimating it would be more like $42,000 per truck, and that is the very point that the truck union president todd spencer was making when he slammed biden's policy. listen. >> the possibility of a great many small business operators being pushed out is, i mean, it's very much real. we have no idea what that's going to cost in terms of

dollars or in terms of time. >> sandra: and that really is the point, right. because we have had people sit here and say well, no, they are all about promoting clean energy and they, you know, they're not denying the idea of climate change and all for moving in this direction but the technology they argue just isn't ready and when you don't know the prices like you heard from the truck union president there, that can be -- that can choke a small business. if you can't prepare for the costs that lie ahead, it will -- it can run you out of business. it could kill you as a small independent driver. a new long haul tractor, costs 180 to $200,000 a truck. and the battery up to $400,000. it's cost probabilitying for the overwhelming majority of motor carriers, more than 95% of trucking companies are small

businesses operating ten trucks or fewer. complying with the mandates will just put many carriers right out of business. >> sandra: well, your voice is important to all of this, 75% of all transports by country happen by truck. we need them up and operating efficiently. appreciate your time, sir. best to you. >> john: the father arrested when he stood up to a school board after his daughter was sexually assaulted in a girl's restroom by a boy wearing a skirt was pardoned by virginia governor youngkin. he says it's "bittersweet." he'll join us in the first interview since being pardoned. >> sandra: chicago uber driver was brutally attacked and carjacked. havoc in the windy city. bite out of family budgets? car loans. car loans used to have lower rates and took just a few years

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>> john: chicago police are questioning a person of interest

in this brutal attack on an uber driver last week. dramatic video shows three women attacking the victim with a pipe before stealing his keys and driving away with him on the hood of his car. mike tobin is live in chicago. he's got the story. any update on that man's condition, mike? >> you know, john, his wounds were superficial but his problems do not end there. we know the brutality of chicago streets and car jacksings but laid out in plain view as the carjacking was caught on a security camera. three women overpowered him. >> female, and stomp on me and hold me and took my car key. >> what you can see from the security video, two of the women knocked him to the ground, a third comes later and beats him with a pipe. and the women smile, apparently

enjoying the attack. they pile in his car as he tries to stop them, even climbs on the hood. the woman with the pipe gets rough with him one more time. in the end they got the car. xi survived with bumps and bruises, only one person of interest has been identified at this point. his car has not been recovered. that might be the hardest part of the story. he is now out of work. reward offered for information and all we have is the one person of interest. >> john: similar to the horrible carjacking in washington where the driver was actually killed. mike tobin for us in chicago. mike, thank you. >> sandra: any moment now pennsylvania authorities are expected to give that update on the manhunt for an escaped murderer, now on the run for 12 days. >> john: continuing coverage as "america reports" hits the top of our second hour. i'm john roberts in washington. good to be with you to start another week. >> sandra: you, too. the news conversation is