enjoying the attack. they pile in his car as he tries to stop them, even climbs on the hood. the woman with the pipe gets rough with him one more time. in the end they got the car. xi survived with bumps and bruises, only one person of interest has been identified at this point. his car has not been recovered. that might be the hardest part of the story. he is now out of work. reward offered for information and all we have is the one person of interest. >> john: similar to the horrible carjacking in washington where the driver was actually killed. mike tobin for us in chicago. mike, thank you. >> sandra: any moment now pennsylvania authorities are expected to give that update on the manhunt for an escaped murderer, now on the run for 12 days. >> john: continuing coverage as "america reports" hits the top of our second hour. i'm john roberts in washington. good to be with you to start another week. >> sandra: you, too. the news conversation is

expected to be underway any moment now. residence as you can imagine in chester county are being asked to be on high alert as hundreds of police officers have descended on the area. following every lead possible to track down the convicted killer. authorities say danelo cavalcante was last spotted over the weekend when he stole a dairy delivery van and apparently has changed his appearance, john. >> john: photos you can see here captured on a doorbell camera, clean shaven and in different clothes, and tried to contact acquaintances in the area. >> sandra: nate foy is live in the area. about to get an update. >> as we wait for that, the investigation continues. tactical teams are spread out. they don't have enough intel as far as where he is to have a defined search perimeter, but authorities are spread out and

following up on all tips. >> sandra: the news conference is underway. >> as i told you yesterday, the investigation has taken a change in direction in terms of the allocation of resources and daily focus of investigators. moved from a containment model to one which involves a variety of investigative resources and additionally, the public can expect a law enforcement presence in the area of east nantmill township where the van was recovered and other areas of northern chester county. no need for alarm when the resources are observed. if a possible threat develops, we will use the reverse 911 system to notify affected residents. i would like to address a message to anyone who may have offered assistance or is contemplating assisting cavalcante in any way. we will prosecute you fully for those actions. alternatively i would suggest

that you are in position to help facilitate the safe capture of cavalcante. if you choose to assist us you could be eligible for some or all of the reward that has been offered for cavalcante's capture. as a matter of fact, i'm announcing chester county has increased the amount of reward they are offering by another $5,000. that brings the total reward offered up to $25,000 for information that leads to the capture of cavalcante. we remain concerned that cavalcante will attempt to steal another vehicle to facilitate his escape. as a reminder, we ask for the public's help by familiarizing themselves with the updated photographs and description of cavalcante, to check security cameras they have and call us immediately if they believe they may have seen him. again, we ask residents to please secure homes, outbuildings and vehicles.

it is imperative that anyone with information about cavalcante contact us immediately so that we may act on that information in a timely manner. anyone with information is asked to call our tip line at 717-562-2987. 717-562-2987. i know this is an extremely stressful time for the community. we are doing everything possible to bring this to a successful resolution as quickly as possible. i and all of us working on this every day appreciate all of the support that all of you have given. thank you very much for that support. and at this time we will be happy to take any questions you might have. >> do you have evidence that someone has tried to help him or is that why you arrested the sister? >> the sister is an overstay, and she chose not to assist and because of being in an overstay

status is doing to a deportation hearing. >> he wanted her to help she has not. >> she has not assisted. >> did she help anybody else trying to help him, you put a warning out there. do you have people you know of who did try to help him? >> i'm cautioning people preemptively and yes, we are monitoring -- we are monitoring for any possible help in a variety of ways, and so what i will tell you is that if we detect assistance that will be prosecuted. i'm not going to say anything further than that in terms of who may or may not have. what i'm going to say is as a warning, you will be prosecuted. there is an alternative path to try and assist with his safe capture. >> timeline here -- [indiscernible] he shows up at these homes 10:30 saturday night, but yet people in the neighborhood say police were not

making checks until well after 2:00 in the morning. is there any kind of delay here so the people [indiscernible] did not -- >> we were not notified until well after midnight of the sightings. >> two hours after he shows up at this house and has a conversation. >> at least two hours. >> 911 with the call from the family on the ring doorbell camera, any issues -- can you walk us through the entire sequence? >> i'm not aware of any issues with the 911 testimony and i've laid out what the timeline was and what i will tell you is the individual -- so for example, the one was not home at the time. they were utilizing the doorbell to speak with him. they arrived home some time later, reviewed the video, and contacted local police. whatever occurred there, we were

not a part of it. we received the notice and i gave you the time yesterday, some time around 12:30, as i recall, so after midnight when we received the notice and our investigaters then began working on that video. >> [indiscernible] heavy police presence, knocking on doors in that neighborhood as well. >> the only two we had reports he communicated with anyone. >> lieutenant colonel, at this point, any other visual confirmed sightings since the doorbell -- [indiscernible] >> there have not. >> you have reason to believe he vanished without a trace. >> of course he has not vanished without a trace and yes, i believe he is in pennsylvania. >> how many law enforcement personnel do you have working on this now, additional -- >> total right now is still probably hovering around 300 mark and yes, we have brought in

additional resources so we are switching some out. i described yesterday that today, as a matter of fact, we had planned a major push, so more uniformed resources, tactical teams, very large number of tactical teams and other assets that would have been utilized. we have instead replaced some of those resources, certainly not all, with other investigative resources because as i told you, the investigation has shifted and so not only the state police but our federal partners as well have brought in additional resources that we believe will be useful going forward. we collectively conduct fugitive investigations every day of the year, and so this one is a little different scale, but it's the type of investigation each of our agencies works on a very regular basis and we are adjusting with the resources we believe. >> why aren't there assets at

these acquaintances homes before he made this appearance and are you doing that moving forward in this investigation? >> when you say acquaintance's homes, these people had not, to my knowledge, had any contact with cavalcante for years. so they were not friends, they were prior work associates, for example, and they were not people that we would have expected or that we would have known even to contact again from the distant past. >> any thoughts on raising the reward to 50,000, 100,000, to help bring him to justice sooner rather than later? >> right now announcing the reward is $25,000, i believe that's a lot of money. i am hard pressed to believe that someone is sitting out there with information saying $25,000 is not enough. i suppose we'll consider things as we go forward whether that will increase or not.

but for now, seems to be a reasonable amount. >> with no defined area to search, are you 100% reliant on public tips in order to find him? >> no. >> a lot of reports or rumors that cavalcante's sister was seen near the search perimeter -- [indiscernible] >> i've heard those report. her arrest was because she is an overstay, that was a process that would play out for anyone in her same circumstance, and what i would say is she has -- she has failed to cooperate and so there was no value in law enforcement keeping her here at this point. >> communications with the sister and acquaintances, what do you know about the resources he may have, cell phone, money, food, what is he asking these people if he can get in contact, what intelligence have you gathered -- >> i don't want to talk

specifically what he may or may not have or what he's looking for. all pieces of our investigation. but i think it's again fair to say what i've said all along, he needs additional help, he needs resources for the long run and he is seeking those. >> [indiscernible] >> we don't have a defined search area at this point. we are considering and certainly acting on and investigating any piece of information or tip that we receive. and so we follow those pieces of investigation -- pieces of information with our investigation as we have done from the very start regardless of where they are. there are areas that i describe, for example, in east nantonville township that may have more focus on some of our resources that are more visible but again, that certainly is not a limiter at all for everything else that we are doing. >> speaking generally, why do you still believe he's in pennsylvania? >> because i have no reason to

believe he is not. i don't know he has the resources to get out of pennsylvania and again, other pieces of information that we have generated within this information lead me to believe that he is still here. >> does he have any other family members here that he has contacted? >> i'm not going to talk about who we have contacted. he does -- he does still have some family and friends in the area, we are aware of those. >> why was his sister now. she previously testified at his trial in cooperation with the prosecution, i assume her status was known earlier in august, why arrest her this week. >> from my perspective, i don't have anything to do with the removal process, there is no reason for me to try to interfere in that process because she serves no value to the investigation and she potentially could provide assistance. i'm not confident that she would not in the future if we let her out there.

>> can you talk about what led to the activity we saw last night, you said since the doorbell camera no confirmed sightings. can you expand on that a bit? >> we continue to receive a significant number of tips and so again, we will follow up on all of those. we have things that we are doing proactively and so you may see some activity as a result of that. we have, you know, and i said there are other things that may not be so obvious that you won't see that are going on as well. >> law enforcement [indiscernible] considering rural area and talked yesterday how he was able to stay outside of the perimeter. >> similar challenges in terms of the search efforts. very similar challenges to what we have faced previously to this point. unfortunately we don't have a containment area right now, so that's another concern, another challenge. but again, we are working through all of that, trying to pull together pieces of

information so we can narrow and the search area and ultimately use those tools to be able to capture him. >> how did he slip out of the previous search perimeter? >> as i said yesterday, i don't have a definitive answer on that. i have theories of how it happened and i have theories because i'm aware of the weaknesses in there. no perimeter is 100% secure. it's not a wall, it doesn't have a ceiling, all the things you might normally use if you are trying to contain someone. we use the human element, we use technology and so forth to be able to secure the perimeter as best we can. i'm aware some of the weaknesses. longwood garden presented some unique challenges and i believe he exploited the challenges. >> do you believe mistakes were made that allowed him to get out of the perimeter?

>> without knowing specifically what happened, i had concerns, i knew there were weaknesses in the perimeter. it was a very strong perimeter as far as perimeters go but there are always weaknesses and that place posed unique challenges. perhaps when this is over i can talk about some of those, it was a very difficult place to try and secure. >> more of a challenge, lieutenant colonel, you have a far bigger area and no perimeter and you really have not gotten -- [indiscernible] >> sir, we conduct fugitive investigations every day of the year across this commonwealth as do our partners that are standing here with me. each one of them poses a challenge. we are most often very successful in those, most don't lead to a protracted search like this. i am confident that using all of those resources we will ultimately bring this one to a you can successful conclusion as

well. >> september 11th, any thoughts on the men and women, [indiscernible] >> certainly today is a day of remembrance and our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims of 9/11. but what i would tell you is the men and women that are working here on this investigation are not pausing or taking a break, they are actively working and doing their jobs because that's what people expect them to do. >> question for rob clark, as far as marshals are investigating, you mentioned it was like a tactical game of cat and mouse. what changes now for your guys that are out there? >> that's a good question, so in the beginning we were prepping here for the short game. we had a tactical response prepared in a certain area and while that response is being prepared we had a group of investigators from the u.s. marshal service here, some of the brightest minds in the agency, having a contingency plan of who we were going to do

should he break perimeter or if he was outside that perimeter. so we had proactively planned for this and i would say, you know, we have our preoperational planning, tactical resources, technical resources were brought here and now planning for the long game. the search in the woods was to cavalcante's advantage. he was in an eight square mile area with very difficult terrain, difficult to get to and there were some weaknesses in the perimeter. i think the incident command here was great setting up the perimeter, bringing in the resources and doing the absolute best we could. we had, i think, over 200 law enforcement officers in or around that perimeter. but now we are going to prepare for the long game and the long game is what we do best, u.s. marshal service, like the colonel said, does fugitive investigations every day. this is a manhunt. and what it means to us, it's a longer fugitive investigation with more resources. so we are prepared. >> cavalcante playing war game

now? >> cavalcante -- i think the advantage has switched before. before testifies advantage cavalcante taking the tactical hide and seek in the woods now advantage law enforcement because he's in an urban setting. that's what our investigators do best and force multiplied by the other state and federal agencies so i believe the advantage has switched to law enforcement. >> what is it you do in this long game, in this urban setting? what change -- [indiscernible] >> a lot of different investigative techniques, i don't want to specify exactly what they are, but we are going to do the same thing we do every day in the city of philadelphia. we are going to go out, we are going to talk to people, utilize the assets of the u.s. marshal service. certain investigative techniques i don't want to reveal, but we are going to try to stay one step ahead. >> you called this the perimeter, is that based on resources or geographical -- >> first part of your question.

>> you said there was some weaknesses in the perimeter. based on resources or was that more -- >> maybe i misspoke, not weaknesses, but challenges in the perimeter. lieutenant colonel was accurate. a massive tunnel system, a lot of ravines, very thick vegetation. >> you call it the long game, some people may think you won't expect to catch him soon. >> no, we expect to catch him as soon as possible but will not put the ducks in a row and say we are going to have him by this thursday, we are going to plan for a long investigation because we don't want to get caught planning for immediate arrest and then not prepared later down the line. >> different that he's very close to potentially another park, another vast area, are you focusing on nature where he was

able to hide in the area versus where other routes there are cameras everywhere, and easier to find him with a cell phone or debit card. do you think he's in the woods still? >> like the colonel said, we are investigating that area in east nantmeal until something suggests he's not in the area, we will continue to investigate there. i reiterate the message from the colonel to the public, please be vigilant in the areas we are searching, make sure the doors are locked, car keys are secured in your residence, report anything suspicious to law enforcement and if you have tips, call them in. we would like to investigate 100 bad tips rather than miss that one good that's not called in. >> did he try to secure another vehicle since dumping the van? >> not that we are aware of. >> you talk about protracted search, comes to mind, ten years ago, 40 some days. what are some of the

similarities and differences between the two searches? >> question better for the colonel. >> well, what i would tell you is every search has its challenges. some of the similarities, large search area, very difficult to know exactly where he was, and i would tell you that almost nine years to the day some of you all were standing with me in that area up there. and some of these same questions were being posed. what makes us think we can catch him, he's a trained survivalist, and i would add that he had already shot two troopers and so it added another dimension to the whole thing. some of those same challenges, lessons learned from frame have made us better as an agency and taken the lessons and adapted them here. a number of searches between then and now, and again we learn something from each one of those. we will learn things from this

search. in the end, collectively with our partners we will be successful and we will capture him. >> i know you have been continuing to say you believe he's in pennsylvania. do you have any reason to believe he's still in chester county? >> again, without information to the contrary, yes, i believe he's in chester county. but, with that said, we always consider other options. the marshal just said we have had plans all along and he's exactly right. we collectively have been discussing from the very beginning, what if, what if, what if. it's -- you know, when we can bring this group of experts that we have assembled here together it makes for an amazing team. a lot of good ideas, a lot of planning for contingencies and a lot of great resources put to work out there in the field every day. trying to use the talents of all of those people and make this a successful operation. >> don't see a lot of lot of

reports citizens arming themselves, have you made arrests of people inappropriately walking through the perimeter or doing things inappropriately? >> we have not made any arrests. we have received calls from others about some of those citizens. we have investigated again, we have not made arrests. and i would ask again that people consider not doing that. they are interfering with our investigation potentially drawing resources away from the task at hand and we don't want an unfortunate incident to cause anyone to get hurt. >> -- assume because of his contact in different places that he's -- that he's obviously dangerous from his history. but now he's likely to have gotten a weapon somewhere. >> we obviously have always treated him as being dangerous, and we have always treated him as potentially being armed. he's been carrying a pack.

there's no way to know exactly what's in that pack or what he obtained early on in this investigation and search. and so we have always treated him as though he may be armed and certainly with his history of being as dangerous as he is, having been charged with one homicide and now charged and convicted with a second, i think it's fair to say he needs to be treated in that manner. >> interaction with the ring -- do you plan to release the ring camera interaction for us to review? >> i have not made a decision. it's in portuguese so it's not something that's easily reviewed anyway, it needs to be translated. we have done that for investigative purposes but as i said, the focus was getting these photographs out. they really are the thing that provides value and before we release full videos along with

audio we want to make sure there's no impact on the investigation. >> [indiscernible] what does the full sweep involved? 600 people, you said earlier you had 300 people. what happened with the numbers there? >> you are misunderstanding. what i was talking about was an operation planned over the weekend to begin this morning and was to sweep the entire secured perimeter of longwood gardens and the surrounding property within that perimeter. and so we had planned a very large operation in order to try and make sure we thoroughly searched those grounds. that was what i was talking about with those very large numbers. the marshal mentioned and i have alluded to them before about the challenges in there. it is a unique place to search and really takes a lot of resources. you know, when some of those sightings occurred in there, we

had skilled tactical teams in there from multiple agencies and even then it was problematic to try and capture him or to find him again once a brief sighting occurred. the cover is that dense and just a multitude of places to hide. >> [indiscernible] are you afraid he's going to go back to longwood gardens? >> i'm not afraid, i'm suggesting people should be vigilant and not saying only in the one square mile should be vigilant. as we saw, someone near the perimeter left the vehicle unsecured and with keys in it, that posed a problem. i'm asking anyone, certainly in, you know, it's a good practice any time, they shouldn't be leaving their keys in the car.

i'm just asking people to double down and be especially vigilant and make sure that they aren't doing things like that, particularly now when we are involved in this manhunt. >> [indiscernible] don't have a containment area like you did previously near longwood. >> yes. >> specifically -- no specifics on that. >> you saw at longwood and some other areas around here a very specific border that was formed by law enforcement so that we could search in that border. what i'm saying is i have not formed a similar border, a physical presence to contain an area. we are, however, still conducting searches without identifying and securing a very specific area. we are conducting searches of some large areas of ground using some of those same tactical teams and other resources.

>> on his sister, which agency initially picked her up? where was she initially picked up and to clarify, you said -- did she attempt to help him prior to being picked up? >> i'm not going to discuss what she did with regard to helping him or not. what i would tell you is that she is in custody of federal authorities, ice, and we have no involvement in that and so i don't have a lot of other information. >> you guys did not pick her up initially. >> you know, i don't know specifically how that played out. i just know there was a discussion and agreement here that that proceeding could take place. i don't know who worked with ice to get that done. >> sister, try to communicate to get to him? >> i'm not going to talk specific tactics. we will use all available tools and we are seeking the cooperation of any and everyone in order to bring this to a

safe, successful resolution. >> you just said -- what was he asking for specifically in regards for support? >> what i'm going to say is generally speaking, he was focused in that message about trying to meet with these individuals. as i said, they were not home. and so he was trying to arrange a meeting and to make sure that that would occur without anyone else present. there were some other discussions that -- i'm not going to go into, but that's -- that was really the biggest focus was he was trying to make contact, trying to solicit help. >> did he mention who location he wanted to meet at? >> there was not a specific location identified. there were a couple of places talked about but ultimately there was no agreement to meet. >> k-9 support, we saw german

shepherd officers. have you brought in bloodhounds? >> we have. we have utilized a variety of k-9 types and again i rely on the expertise of our various k-9 officers to tell me what it is they need and what other resources they need and we have acted on that. >> do you have any idea why he was heading from phoenixville area to east nantmeal township -- >> we have some theories why that's occurred. but won't know that for sure. >> the tone of the message, seem urgent, confident, arrogant, the one photo seems there's a smirk on his face. can you give us a sense what the message sounded like? >> i would characterize it as urgent but friendly. it was someone he had clearly not spoken to in some period of time and so there was a

reacquaintance and effort to get assistance. >> did the sister work as a housekeeper in the area you are searching? >> a little confusion on the doorbell camera. he arrived, he speaks into it. the people whose home that is. did they have a conversation with him, he leaves a message on the ring camera? >> they have a conversation. >> they spoke back. >> yes, sir. >> i characterize it generally as reacquaintance and a discussion about trying to meet and to get some assistance. >> how long did it last? >> they did not tell you until several hours after. >> it was reported to the local police and the local police investigated and i'm saying i was not a part of that but there was a couple of hour period of time before we became aware of it. >> and the people in the house, talked to a family member of the people in the house, they say they reported their conversation to the police immediately. is that true? and what explains the delay?

>> and i have no reason to doubt their account. i'm simply reporting to you the pieces that i have control or have knowledge of and that is that we did not receive that information until about 12:30 that night. what steps the police department took to investigate that, whether there was -- and i'm only speculating now, whether there was an issue or concern because it was not in english, it was in portuguese, i have not personally spoken to the officers. i know our investigators have. what i can tell you is that period of time lapsed before we became involved and aware. >> he reached out to a former co-worker. have you made a list of other people he's worked with or had relationships with. >> sandra: quite a remarkable revelation there from the lieutenant colonel there in pennsylvania saying that at this point there is no defined search area. they described him in an urban

setting, which seems to be a defined search area but are in it for the long game now. when asked why they believe he is still in pennsylvania, the response from police was we have no reason to believe he is not. message to those in the area, lock your doors, don't leave your keys in the car. there's about 300 officers that are in this search recently. but not a whole lot of hope right now that they are close to finding this convicted murderer that is still on the run, john. >> john: yeah, bring in former fbi investigator bill daley, they are in it for the long game, what he said is we have no clue where he is but we think he's still in pennsylvania. >> yeah. john, certainly from what we were talking about last week, was this individual, cavalcante being in the longwood gardens

area, seems to be expansive area, eight square miles, more contained than where it appears to be today and from what the police were reporting there, the conference today, it seems like they are now relying both on their eyes and ears, the police that are out there, tactical units out there, maybe some additional resources that might be brought in from federal authorities, whether it's u.s. marshals or other agencies, they can have aerial assets, perhaps thermal imaging, night vision, they are really relying on the public to come forward with any sightings, and with that i think you heard some of the questioning as well with regard to response. apparently there was this show of him at the door of a former associate, not sure what the connection is, and it took the authorities looking for, you know, a couple of hours before they knew about it. so, need to be notified quickly and respond quickly to the

sightings and lower the boom and narrow this perimeter. as suggested, it's a bit open ended and going on the hunch they have not heard if there are vehicles missing that would suggest he is further on the move. >> sandra: seems to be frustrated reporters in the room obviously recognizing the fact that this person has breached the initial search area. they said they ran into rugged terrain, darkness, inclement wetness, drainage ditches, underground tunnels, it's a very challenging search. the tip line, they need tips to come in, they are getting many, obviously has not led to his capture. but bill, when they say that they have now upped this award by $5,000 now to $25,000 for any information that leads to the capture of this convicted murderer, how effective is that

traditionally or historically on bringing people forward with real information? >> yeah, the age old question and i think what it does, it garners more attention. so, the ability to be able to kind of keep that out there in the forefront, to say you have raised up the ante here and people could get some portion or all of it depending on their participation. i don't think people are saying i only saw him but it's only $5,000, i'll wait until it's more. i don't think that's going on. just this is a matter of making it more dramatic, more impactful to people saying we are serious about this, more attention to it, high value, we are going to share this no matter what information you provide, that's the talking point as opposed to what the dollar amount is. >> sandra: bill daly, thank you so much.

many people think they can't even leave their house. >> john: nate foy, more on the search area, and nate, the pennsylvania police basically spent a half hour saying we don't have any information about this guy. >> yes, john, i had two big take-aways. first the shortest press conference from lieutenant colonel we have heard from the manhunt, minus the question and answer portion. and as you mentioned, they did not have a lot of answers so we heard some more urgency by increasing the reward money and also announcing additional federal resources. the first time, atf agents here at this church and they are focusing on the corn fields and some empty houses where no one has been for the past couple days, so they have k-9s out, they are looking to see if there is any trace of danelo cavalcante. the people who live in this area tell me they often don't lock their doors, including their

cars as well, and that's something authorities want to make sure people do right now. i'll ask my photographer, tom to come down here. john, we are about 800 feet or so from where cavalcante, right down this road, where he dropped off that van and the big question is, the van he stole i'm talking about that was just north of the search perimeter near longwood gardens, the big question john, is did he immediately get into another car, meaning did he get any help, heard authorities speculate or indicate it's a possibility, something we have not heard to this point or get out and run away. if that's what happened, he can't be too far. so, that's why tactical teams are searching the area right now and everyone on day 12 of this manhunt, just looking for answers at this point and so far we are not getting them. back to you, john. >> john: i guess a lot of people will be locking their doors, their homes and cars, at least for the time being. nate in nantmeal, thank you. sandra.

>> sandra: fox news contributor steve hilton. thanks for sticking with us. an illegal immigrant, why was he not deported? typically illegal immigrants who carry out much lesser crimes, they are sent back to their home countries. why was this person convicted of murder, not sent back to his home country? >> it's so infuriating to people when they see this and hear the stories. like in the press conference, slipped out, oh, by the way, the sister, we put her in -- >> sandra: the overstay. >> randomly that person is dealt with the person the way the public would expect. the vast majority are not, especially violent criminals. the system is completely broken and yet more evidence of it. >> sandra: and here we are in new york city dealing with a migrant crisis of growing magnitude. former mayor mike bloomberg is weighing in, and the mayor saying we need the federal

government to step in and help, lamenting he's not getting help. bloomberg says we have people that cross the borders, for bid them from working, give them housings, and seven years of residency before we decide if they can stay. totally separate from what we are reporting on in pennsylvania. we brought you on to talk about this and now solutions are being offered for this growing crisis. are we going to listen? >> well, no, there's an ideology at work here, which is the left ideology pushed by the democrats for many years, they believe, they sincerely believe in open borders. they think it's compassionate. think if you don't do anything to let anyone in you are somehow racist and not compassionate. but we see the consequences and you combine it with the points bloomberg made, the right to shelter, the welfare provision that is mandatory, but not the ability to work. it is an incoherent mess but the one thing that actually would solve the problem is to enforce

the law, to actually make sure that legal immigration continues, illegal immigration, the name is there, illegal. there shouldn't be a single one. not any one. they went do that. >> sandra: they keep thinking, the left, now that throwing money at the problem will solve this crisis. i mean, when you look at what is happening with projected spending, this is fiscal year 2024, you are now looking at more than double the fdny budget, more than fire, sanitation, park spending combined. >> ok, look at those numbers. what, 100,000 people. 7 million total? this is a fraction of the problem here in new york city, of course it's terrible here in new york city. imagine how much worse it is on the border states, far fewer resources than here, now you have the biden administration saying remain in texas. these people in the biden administration, these democrats, they are migration nimbis. all for open borders and asylum

seekers welcome and all of rest of it until it's in their back yard, at which point they have we have a problem we have to deal with it. they should have dealt with it at the beginning. they never should have opened the borders to begin with. >> sandra: running out of space here, the schools, the parks, and the mayor is calling governor abbott the mad man. see you on "outnumbered" tomorrow. >> john: a virginia father is thanking republican governor youngkin for pardoning him, two years after he was arrested at a school board meeting. scott smith got heated and criticized the loudoun school board for mishandling his daughter's sexual assault. he was arrested and convicted of disorderly conduct, later dismissed. he says his daughter was attacked in the women's restroom by a male student who identified as a trans girl and the school board tried to cover it up.

scott smith joins us now for his first television interview following the pardon. chatting off camera, he had an offer for pardon before and you said no thank you, i don't want that. why? >> well, to be clear, it was only a month ago. it wasn't months ago. but because i didn't want to drop my appeal and accept responsibility for the charges that i was convicted of in the lower court. that was unacceptable to me. i wanted to win it straight up on my own merit in court, but unfortunately, you know, as things have played out and, you know, our justice system across this land is unfortunately politicized and weaponized to the hit and that should scare every american. >> john: you believe there's no way you could have won in court. >> i think i might have been able to win in court with a judge, if it would have been the right judge. but no, i think in a jury, i think it would have been a hung

jury, at best. but you know, what everybody didn't really understand is you know, i wasn't really fighting to clear my name from a disorderly conduct charge. i mean, i'm a country boy, i'm disorderly sometimes, you know. what this was all about was -- is my free speech, you know. that should not have happened that day, you know. i -- >> john: take us back to the meeting, looking at the video on the right-hand side of the screen. you had said to the school board that my daughter was the victim of a sexual assault at the hands of a boy who was dressed in a skirt who wanted access to the girls bathroom. and turned out this boy was also responsible allegedly for a sexual assault in another school. what was going through your mind that day? >> well, actually i never spoke to the school board. that whole story is really kind of askew. i was sitting in my little area

and radical protestor came and i heard this shouting behind me and i turned around and it was my wife and her, i didn't even know my wife was there. she came in behind me. so i stepped in, tried to explain to this lady what was going on, she looked at me dead in the face and said that's not true, that's not what happened. you are lying. and then the police came over and you know, talked to us and said we needed to be kind to one another, and then you know, you see the police walk away and i turned back to engage this lady and looks at me and goes you are scott, you know, your business and i'm going to ruin you on social media. i called her an expletive, the next thing i know there are hands all over me, grabbing me from behind, you are not allowed to do that. >> sandra: you were not even addressing the superintendent at the time. >> never, never. my wife and i were accosted by a radical parent. >> john: and wall street journal editorial said this the way that was all covered.

the press treated mr. smith's verbal protest as part of a larger right wing campaign of violence. the national school board association cited that episode as example of potential domestic terrorism in a letter to president biden. attorney general merrick garland asked the fbi and u.s. attorneys to investigate threats against local school boards that have not materialized. these actions appear to be an attempt to fit mr. smith in the democratic party portrayal of conservative parties of government as motivated by hatred. what do you say to that? >> john: it's all true, what they did. i just saw a piece of document earlier in the green room of my case actually on a highlighted piece of paper that was from the doj. not just that i was cited. you can see it highlighted. they -- they used me to silence

moms and dads and grandmas and grandpas and everybody else that were starting this movement to protect our children and stand up for our rights, to protect our children and say what we think is right for them. they tried to shut us down. and unfortunately there's clear evidence that it somewhat worked. i mean, when you have the doj sending out that memo, that was bone chilling. i mean -- it scared me for about ten seconds. >> john: how is your daughter doing? >> she's doing pretty good. we have good days, and bad days, but she's a teenager. i love her to death, she loves me, we hang out every day. i really look forward to the future with her and my wife. you know, this will never -- this -- this isn't going to define us. i mean, we are going to put this behind us over the next year, there are several more court battles to come, but it's all going to be ok. >> john: ask you real quick, the

prosecutor who was removed from the case has criticized youngkin saying the political stunt is unprecedented, he interfered not for justice but for political gain. what do you say to her? >> she's one of the most evil people i ever met. unfortunately i had to deal with her face to face with the prosecution of the sexual predator of my daughter. she needs -- we need to vote her out. you know, if you live in -- somehow she has not made news headlines, you know, everybody is talking about the big city soros-funded prosecutors, somehow she has flown under the radar. >> john: she is partially funded by -- >> she is one of the worst, and you know, this whole thing is a political back and forth on both sides, unfortunately. you know, we have a republican

sheriff, unfortunately, that refuses to take responsibility, you know, for this as well. so -- there's a lot to come, you know, and -- >> john: an election in virginia coming up on november 7th. >> there is. but at the end of the day, you know, i'm a conservative, but i'm a patriot, i'm not, you know, a staunch republican, so i'm going to stand up for what's right and speak the truth. >> john: we'll see how this all plays out. scott, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> john: appreciate it. the world has seen what happened to you. appreciate it. good luck in the future to you and your family. >> god bless. thank for having me. >> sandra: sources say north korean leader kim jong-un is heading to russia to meet with russian president vladimir putin. u.s. officials say an arms deal is on the table. we'll have the latest for you when we return. and i am the owner at isla veterinary boutique hospital. i was 5...6 years of age and i knew i was going to be a vet.

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>> sandra: coming to the end of a couple of jam packed hours. we're looking at the markets in the final hour of trading. the dow jones industrial average up about 100 points and the first day of the week. our econ panel is here. dan greenhouse and mark tepper, president and ceo of strategic wealth advisers.

we need you here. it's a huge week for the markets. the federal reserve, a big decision. consumer price data. we'll get a good read on what is happening with inflation this week. j.p. morgan's jamie dimon was just speaking. dan, you got to ask him a question. he's making the case that it's a huge mistake to think that the economy will boom with so many risks out there. some people are saying hey, the consumer is okay. things will be fine. he says that's a huge mistake. right now government is spending like drunken sailors and we have to be careful from that. what was your thoughts on that? >> a lot is what he said before. he wasn't commenting on anything specific with internal data or observations. the federal spending thing is what stood out. when asked what you're talking about, the first thing he said is the level of spending. the government is running a

deficit of 8 1/2% of gdp. >> sandra: isn't that how we get in this inflation crisis? >> yeah, 20 years. >> to be clear, 8.5% deficit would be huge in a giant recession let alone an expanding economy. >> sandra: as far as whether or not the consumer is strong and economists have been noting, this is a resilient consumer to still be out there spending. to say the consumer is strong today and that we'll have a booming environment for years is a huge mistake. what was your take-away? >> the consumer is fragile. when you look at credit card debt alone, that surpassed a trillion dollars. credit card interest rates are almost up to 22% right now. the student loan payments are coming back online. average weekly payment of $383 a month for anyone that all of a sudden has to make the payments. so while the consumer is okay as long as the unemployment rate

stays where it's at, as soon as we see job loss, the consumer is in deep trouble. >> martha: while we're paying higher gas prices today than when the president took office. they were $2.39. now we're paying $3.83. this is a snapshot of one of the main factors inside that inflation equation. >> i'm sorry to interrupt. $3.80 a gallon, other than the covid spike would be the highest price per gallon that we've seen since the global financial crisis in 2008. >> sandra: with the federal reserve decision, that is key for housing affordability, which you've been focusing on. that affordability is rough out there. average home price is topping $400,000 and going higher. >> the median price is higher than that up. it's up 50%. if you're in a house, you're doing okay. if you're trying to buy a house, your monthly mortgage payment on an average regular existing home of $400,000 is about $2,300 a

month right now. precovid, that was $977. >> sandra: so will the fed keep raising rates or leave it alone? >> the market is basically 50/50 on another hike. i'm 100% on another hike. i think we'll have at least one more. the question now or the story now has to kind of pivot from how high are rates going to go to how long they'll stay. the issue is they'll stay at least this high at least a year if not longer. when you look at inflation expectations. they're now peaking back up. you look 12 months out, the conference board last week said 12 months from today, inflation will be 5.8% 12 months from today. that is insane. >> sandra: that will change things. thanks. john? >> john: sandra, fox news alert.

kim jong-un is on his way to russia to meet with vladimir putin. the north korean news agency said the two would meet and have a talk. greg palkot is live in london. what is the meeting about? >> most immediately, concerning the ukraine war. kremlin and pyongyang confirming that vladimir putin will be getting together with kim jong-un as early as tuesday in the russian port city. kim is going there in an armored train. what will take an hour by plane takes 20 hours by rail. that's the way kim rolls. said to be discussed, the north handing over millions of shells munitions for moscow to use. in return, pyongyang getting food aid and high tech gear for their messages. this comes from a meeting in

new delhi with a concluding statement missing any kind of rebuke to russia for its invasion. this is a sign of a continuing difficulty getting a global consensus about russia's actions. john, as for kiev's counter offensive, we heard a short time ago from the chairman of joint chiefs of staff, he quoted as saying ukrainian troops have at most 45 days before winter weather closes in and/or when the north korean shells start flying. back to you. >> john: they're making some gains. see if they can continue that before the cold weather sets in. greg palkot with the latest. thank you. a news-filled afternoon to start the week is. that a harbinger of things to come? >> sandra: unfortunately not a lot of news from the news conference in pennsylvania. the search continues. look like they don't have a defined search area. that is -- has a lot of folks battening down the hatches, john.

>> john: yeah, after he stole that van and drove 20 miles away from where they were looking for him, they have clearly have no clue where he's gone now. now he's in an area where there are probably very few surveillance cameras. let's hope that they get him. marshall service is good at this. >> sandra: thanks, john. thanks for joining us. i'm sandra smith. >> john: i'm john roberts. see you tomorrow. "the story" with martha starts right now. >> martha: thank you very much. good afternoon, everybody. i'm martha maccallum in new york. we are remembering what happened here and at the pentagon and in shanksville, pennsylvania 22 years ago today. some scenes of memorials held at the sites of those attacks. this is a very solemn moment for the country to pause and to reflect on what happened on that day. president biden no